Re: [NTG-context] Figured bass symbols in a text.
On 14 aug. 2012, at 11:58:49 -0400, John Culleton j...@wexfordpress.com wrote Consider also creating the figured bass (or any musical notation) in the shareware package Mup. The output is a ps file. Then the notation and any accompanying verse can be treated as a graphic import. There are horses for courses. For music I always use MUP. Thank you for the tip. I had a quick look at it. It looks interesting, and at least superficially a bit like Lilypond, which I gave a try many years ago. But I think I will stay with Finale, which fulfills all my needs in the field of music notation, including, in recent versions, figured bass. My problem was not with music notation but with inserting some of the symbols and characters in a normal text. The stacked BC-figures are under control now. Other special symbols, like that for an augmented fourth, a diminished fifth and the petite sixte may become a problem. But I have not seen those in the impressively long list or symbols available in MUP either. Kind regards, Robert Blackstone ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Figured bass symbols in a text.
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:00:31 +0200 Robert Blackstone blackstone.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Hans, I just tested this for the figured bass symbols in my text. It is perfect. And it has at least one important advantage over the plain-TeX method, kindly offered by Michael Rogers, in that it uses the same font as that for he main text, which, in my case, will be probably a sans-serif font. The plain TeX solution, as far as I could see, uses only the serif version of LM, so it would haven given me serif-like figured bass symbols in an otherwise sans-serif document. Thank you very much. Kind regards, Robert Consider also creating the figured bass (or any musical notation) in the shareware package Mup. The output is a ps file. Then the notation and any accompanying verse can be treated as a graphic import. There are horses for courses. For music I always use MUP. -- John Culleton Free list of books for self-publishers: http://wexfordpress.net/shortlist.html Police Procedural and Expose: Death Wore Black Create Book Covers with Scribus http://www.booklocker.com/books/4055.html ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Figured bass symbols in a text.
On 10 aug. 2012, at 21:09, 19:59:36, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote
The next beta has:
\starttext
\definelow [MyLow] [style=\txx]
\definehigh [MyHigh] [style=\txx]
\definelowhigh [MyLoHi] [style=\txx]
\definelowmidhigh[MyLoMiHi][style=\txx]
We have
\ruledhbox{\low {L}} and \ruledhbox{\MyLow {L}} and
\ruledhbox{\high{H}} and \ruledhbox{\MyHigh{H}} and
\ruledhbox{\lohi {L}{H}} and \ruledhbox{\MyLoHi {L}{H}} and
\ruledhbox{\lomihi{L}{M}{H}} and \ruledhbox{\MyLoMiHi{L}{M}{H}}.
\stoptext
Hi Hans,
I just tested this for the figured bass symbols in my text. It is perfect.
And it has at least one important advantage over the plain-TeX method, kindly
offered by Michael Rogers, in that it uses the same font as that for he main
text, which, in my case, will be probably a sans-serif font. The plain TeX
solution, as far as I could see, uses only the serif version of LM, so it would
haven given me serif-like figured bass symbols in an otherwise sans-serif
document.
Thank you very much.
Kind regards,
Robert
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Re: [NTG-context] Figured bass symbols in a text.
On Aug 12, 2012, at 5:00 AM, Robert Blackstone wrote:
On 10 aug. 2012, at 21:09, 19:59:36, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote
The next beta has:
\starttext
\definelow [MyLow] [style=\txx]
\definehigh [MyHigh] [style=\txx]
\definelowhigh [MyLoHi] [style=\txx]
\definelowmidhigh[MyLoMiHi][style=\txx]
We have
\ruledhbox{\low {L}} and \ruledhbox{\MyLow {L}} and
\ruledhbox{\high{H}} and \ruledhbox{\MyHigh{H}} and
\ruledhbox{\lohi {L}{H}} and \ruledhbox{\MyLoHi {L}{H}} and
\ruledhbox{\lomihi{L}{M}{H}} and \ruledhbox{\MyLoMiHi{L}{M}{H}}.
\stoptext
Hi Hans,
I just tested this for the figured bass symbols in my text. It is perfect.
And it has at least one important advantage over the plain-TeX method, kindly
offered by Michael Rogers, in that it uses the same font as that for he main
text,...
It uses the math font, which is worse. I should have wrapped the arguments
with \hbox and thrown in a \tx or \txx. Or waited a little longer for the good
solution. :)
Best,
Michael
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Re: [NTG-context] Figured bass symbols in a text
On 10 aug. 2012, at 16:00, Rogers, Michael K mrog...@emory.edu wrote
in reply to my question: Is there a neat way to insert a stack of three
figures in a line of text with the middle one sitting on the base line?
Since no one has offered a quick ConTeXt solution, I offer my usual -- a dumb
Plain TeX solution:
\def\lomihi#1#2#3{${\scriptstyle{#2}}\limits_{#1}^{#3}$}
With the Computer Modern font, the top is a little further away from the
middle than the bottom. It can be adjusted with something like
\def\lomihi#1#2#3{${\scriptstyle{#2}}\limits_{#1}^{\lower0.23pt\hbox{$\scriptstyle{#3}$}}$}
but this would probably have to be adjusted for each font and size.
Hope that helps,
Michael
Thank you very much. It certainly helps. This is exactly what I need.
Kind regards,
Rober
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Re: [NTG-context] Figured bass symbols in a text
On 10 aug. 2012, at 18:08:36 +0200, Wolfgang Schuster
wolfgang.schus...@gmail.com wrote
Am 10.08.2012 um 18:00 schrieb Rogers, Michael K mrog...@emory.edu:
Hi,
Since no one has offered a quick ConTeXt solution, I offer my usual -- a
dumb Plain TeX solution:
\def\lomihi#1#2#3{${\scriptstyle{#2}}\limits_{#1}^{#3}$}
With the Computer Modern font, the top is a little further away from the
middle than the bottom. It can be adjusted with something like
\def\lomihi#1#2#3{${\scriptstyle{#2}}\limits_{#1}^{\lower0.23pt\hbox{$\scriptstyle{#3}$}}$}
but this would probably have to be adjusted for each font and size.
You can use \framed:
\defineframed[lohimi][align=flushleft,location=middle,frame=off,foregroundstyle=\tx]
\starttext
text \lohi{1}{2} text \lohimi{1\\2\\3} text
\stoptext
Wolfgang
Hi Wolfgang,
Though you actually replied to Michael Rogers' mail I consider myself to be a
recipient of your advice too. Thank you very much for your help.
For my purpose the dumb Plain TeX solution that Michael Rogers suggested
works better as the distances between the figures are short enough to make it
look like one symbol.
Which is the way I prefer it in this sort of text.
Thanks again,
Kind regards,
Robert
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[NTG-context] Figured bass symbols in a text.
Dear all,
Is there a neat way to insert a stack of three figures in a line of text with
the middle one sitting on the base line?
I need it in a discussion of figured bass. (Figured bass is a system to
indicate harmonies to be played above a bass-line. The figures can be single or
stacked, two or three above each other. In discussing this topic in articles
and books these figures are usually written as they appear in the music
scores, in other words, stacked.)
For a stack of two figures it can be done perfectly with \lohi{}{}.
Is there a way to do it for a stack of three figures with the middle one
sitting on the base line? (Something like \lomihi{}{}{}?)
Here is an example in which the problem is stated once more.
---
\starttext
This does not look professional.
A typical problematic example of this printing practice is Monteverdi's {\em
L'Orfeo}, where, in the third act, in Speranze's recitative {\em Ecco l'atra
palude}, several single fourths are printed, leaving for the continuo player
the choice to play 5/4, 6/4, or 7/4/2.
\medskip
This does, for \lohi{4}{5} and \lohi{4}{6}. But how could this be done also
for 7/4/2? (Interline distance may be enlarged as necessary.)
A typical problematic example of this printing practice is Monteverdi's {\em
L'Orfeo}, where, in the third act, in Speranze's recitative {\em Ecco l'atra
palude}, several single fourths are printed, leaving for the continuo player
the choice to play \lohi{4}{5}, \lohi{4}{6}, or 7/4/2.
\stoptext
Thanks in advance for any help.
Best regards,
Robert Blackstone
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Re: [NTG-context] Figured bass symbols in a text.
Hi,
Since no one has offered a quick ConTeXt solution, I offer my usual -- a dumb
Plain TeX solution:
\def\lomihi#1#2#3{${\scriptstyle{#2}}\limits_{#1}^{#3}$}
With the Computer Modern font, the top is a little further away from the middle
than the bottom. It can be adjusted with something like
\def\lomihi#1#2#3{${\scriptstyle{#2}}\limits_{#1}^{\lower0.23pt\hbox{$\scriptstyle{#3}$}}$}
but this would probably have to be adjusted for each font and size.
Hope that helps,
Michael
On Aug 10, 2012, at 5:35 AM, Robert Blackstone wrote:
Dear all,
Is there a neat way to insert a stack of three figures in a line of text with
the middle one sitting on the base line?
I need it in a discussion of figured bass. (Figured bass is a system to
indicate harmonies to be played above a bass-line. The figures can be single
or stacked, two or three above each other. In discussing this topic in
articles and books these figures are usually written as they appear in the
music scores, in other words, stacked.)
For a stack of two figures it can be done perfectly with \lohi{}{}.
Is there a way to do it for a stack of three figures with the middle one
sitting on the base line? (Something like \lomihi{}{}{}?)
Here is an example in which the problem is stated once more.
---
\starttext
This does not look professional.
A typical problematic example of this printing practice is Monteverdi's {\em
L'Orfeo}, where, in the third act, in Speranze's recitative {\em Ecco l'atra
palude}, several single fourths are printed, leaving for the continuo player
the choice to play 5/4, 6/4, or 7/4/2.
\medskip
This does, for \lohi{4}{5} and \lohi{4}{6}. But how could this be done also
for 7/4/2? (Interline distance may be enlarged as necessary.)
A typical problematic example of this printing practice is Monteverdi's {\em
L'Orfeo}, where, in the third act, in Speranze's recitative {\em Ecco l'atra
palude}, several single fourths are printed, leaving for the continuo player
the choice to play \lohi{4}{5}, \lohi{4}{6}, or 7/4/2.
\stoptext
Thanks in advance for any help.
Best regards,
Robert Blackstone
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Re: [NTG-context] Figured bass symbols in a text.
Am 10.08.2012 um 18:00 schrieb Rogers, Michael K mrog...@emory.edu:
Hi,
Since no one has offered a quick ConTeXt solution, I offer my usual -- a dumb
Plain TeX solution:
\def\lomihi#1#2#3{${\scriptstyle{#2}}\limits_{#1}^{#3}$}
With the Computer Modern font, the top is a little further away from the
middle than the bottom. It can be adjusted with something like
\def\lomihi#1#2#3{${\scriptstyle{#2}}\limits_{#1}^{\lower0.23pt\hbox{$\scriptstyle{#3}$}}$}
but this would probably have to be adjusted for each font and size.
You can use \framed:
\defineframed[lohimi][align=flushleft,location=middle,frame=off,foregroundstyle=\tx]
\starttext
text \lohi{1}{2} text \lohimi{1\\2\\3} text
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Figured bass symbols in a text.
On 10-8-2012 18:08, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 10.08.2012 um 18:00 schrieb Rogers, Michael K mrog...@emory.edu:
Hi,
Since no one has offered a quick ConTeXt solution, I offer my usual -- a dumb
Plain TeX solution:
\def\lomihi#1#2#3{${\scriptstyle{#2}}\limits_{#1}^{#3}$}
With the Computer Modern font, the top is a little further away from the middle
than the bottom. It can be adjusted with something like
\def\lomihi#1#2#3{${\scriptstyle{#2}}\limits_{#1}^{\lower0.23pt\hbox{$\scriptstyle{#3}$}}$}
but this would probably have to be adjusted for each font and size.
You can use \framed:
\defineframed[lohimi][align=flushleft,location=middle,frame=off,foregroundstyle=\tx]
\starttext
text \lohi{1}{2} text \lohimi{1\\2\\3} text
\stoptext
Neat trick.
===
Wolfgang,
The next beta has:
\starttext
\definelow [MyLow] [style=\txx]
\definehigh [MyHigh] [style=\txx]
\definelowhigh [MyLoHi] [style=\txx]
\definelowmidhigh[MyLoMiHi][style=\txx]
We have
\ruledhbox{\low {L}} and \ruledhbox{\MyLow {L}} and
\ruledhbox{\high{H}} and \ruledhbox{\MyHigh{H}} and
\ruledhbox{\lohi {L}{H}} and \ruledhbox{\MyLoHi {L}{H}} and
\ruledhbox{\lomihi{L}{M}{H}} and \ruledhbox{\MyLoMiHi{L}{M}{H}}.
\stoptext
So, we have low/high definable and clonable etc. Best check if the
defaults are compatible. Valid parameters are 'up', 'down' and
'distance' (dimensions) and of course 'style' and 'color'.
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Figured bass symbols in a text.
Hans wrote:
So, we have low/high definable and clonable etc. Best check if the defaults
are compatible. Valid parameters are 'up', 'down' and 'distance'
(dimensions) and of course 'style' and 'color'.
Just downloaded and tested, looks nice.
Small bug: It's called lomihi, but the arguments are placed middle/high/low.
For documentation/clarification, is the following correct?
distance = extra kerning, distance between lomihi and preceding character.
up = how much the {hi} arg is raised
down = how much the {low} arg is lowered
Support for the [left] keyword seems to have been dropped, but is
still in the documentation comments.
Perhaps instead support align=..., and turn distance= into kernbefore=
and kernafter=? Sorry about not knowing enough to implement it myself.
Cheers,
Sietse
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 10-8-2012 18:08, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 10.08.2012 um 18:00 schrieb Rogers, Michael K mrog...@emory.edu:
Hi,
Since no one has offered a quick ConTeXt solution, I offer my usual -- a
dumb Plain TeX solution:
\def\lomihi#1#2#3{${\scriptstyle{#2}}\limits_{#1}^{#3}$}
With the Computer Modern font, the top is a little further away from the
middle than the bottom. It can be adjusted with something like
\def\lomihi#1#2#3{${\scriptstyle{#2}}\limits_{#1}^{\lower0.23pt\hbox{$\scriptstyle{#3}$}}$}
but this would probably have to be adjusted for each font and size.
You can use \framed:
\defineframed[lohimi][align=flushleft,location=middle,frame=off,foregroundstyle=\tx]
\starttext
text \lohi{1}{2} text \lohimi{1\\2\\3} text
\stoptext
Neat trick.
===
Wolfgang,
The next beta has:
\starttext
\definelow [MyLow] [style=\txx]
\definehigh [MyHigh] [style=\txx]
\definelowhigh [MyLoHi] [style=\txx]
\definelowmidhigh[MyLoMiHi][style=\txx]
We have
\ruledhbox{\low {L}} and \ruledhbox{\MyLow {L}} and
\ruledhbox{\high{H}} and \ruledhbox{\MyHigh{H}} and
\ruledhbox{\lohi {L}{H}} and \ruledhbox{\MyLoHi {L}{H}} and
\ruledhbox{\lomihi{L}{M}{H}} and \ruledhbox{\MyLoMiHi{L}{M}{H}}.
\stoptext
So, we have low/high definable and clonable etc. Best check if the defaults
are compatible. Valid parameters are 'up', 'down' and 'distance'
(dimensions) and of course 'style' and 'color'.
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Figured bass symbols in a text.
On 10-8-2012 21:09, Sietse Brouwer wrote:
Hans wrote:
So, we have low/high definable and clonable etc. Best check if the defaults
are compatible. Valid parameters are 'up', 'down' and 'distance'
(dimensions) and of course 'style' and 'color'.
Just downloaded and tested, looks nice.
Small bug: It's called lomihi, but the arguments are placed middle/high/low.
ok, i'll fix that ... (or maybe midlowhigh is nicer ?)
For documentation/clarification, is the following correct?
distance = extra kerning, distance between lomihi and preceding character.
only with low, high an lohi
up = how much the {hi} arg is raised
down = how much the {low} arg is lowered
indeed
Support for the [left] keyword seems to have been dropped, but is
still in the documentation comments.
still there, only for lohi .. maybe we should add an align key some day
Perhaps instead support align=..., and turn distance= into kernbefore=
and kernafter=? Sorry about not knowing enough to implement it myself.
hm, distance is often used for this so that's better
I'll do 'align' when there is demand for it.
Thanks for keeping the wiki so up to date.
Hans
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