Re: [NTG-context] Referencing footnotes by SECTION

2018-07-02 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 07:21:19 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster  
 wrote:



Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد 
2. Juli 2018 um 14:34
Hi Wolfgang,

On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 00:58:44 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster
 wrote:


Hi Idris,

you can enable the display of chapter numbers with the prefix-key:

\setupnotation
   [footnote]
   [prefix=yes,
   %prefixsegments=chapter,
way=bychapter]


Many thanks for this. There is an unwanted side-effect: Let

marker= main-text footnote marker
header= numeral for footnote header
reference = reference numeral

The prefix appears in three places, e.g.,

marker- II.1
header- II.1
reference - II.1

but we only want the prefix in the reference, not anywhere else, e.g.,

marker- 1
header- 1
reference - II.1

The prefix in the main-text marker and in the footnote header are
superfluous, e.g., the reader already knows which chapter one is
reading. But to reference a footnote from a later chapter, a prefix is
needed to let the reader know which chapter.

So the question is: Can the prefix be made to apply only to the
reference and not the marker or notation header?


You have to set different prefixsegments settings for the note entries
and the references.


\defineconversionset [OLIE] [n,R,n,n,n,n] [n]

\setuphead
   [sectionconversionset=OLIE]

\setupnotation
   [footnote]
   [prefix=yes,
prefixset=none]

\setupreferencestructureprefix
   [footnote]
   [default]
   [prefixsegments=chapter,
prefixset=all]

\starttext

\chapter{Chapter}

Hey\footnote[listen]{This is a footnote.}

See \in{footnote}[listen].

\stoptext


Excellent; this is a big help. Many thanks!


==
Observation:

For endnotes at the end of a book having the prefix in the header is
also useful, i.e.,

marker- 1
header- II.1
reference - II.1

So a general mechanism to set the prefix for each of the above three
would be useful.

If not currently supported, would like to make this a feature request.
==


I don’t think this is possible because marker and header share the same
counter setups.


Ok, that makes sense. As always, thank you for your pointers and  
explanations!


Best wishes
Idris
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Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80512
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Re: [NTG-context] Referencing footnotes by SECTION

2018-07-02 Thread Wolfgang Schuster




Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد 
2. Juli 2018 um 14:34
Hi Wolfgang,

On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 00:58:44 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster 
 wrote:



Hi Idris,

you can enable the display of chapter numbers with the prefix-key:

\setupnotation
   [footnote]
   [prefix=yes,
   %prefixsegments=chapter,
way=bychapter]


Many thanks for this. There is an unwanted side-effect: Let

marker= main-text footnote marker
header= numeral for footnote header
reference = reference numeral

The prefix appears in three places, e.g.,

marker- II.1
header- II.1
reference - II.1

but we only want the prefix in the reference, not anywhere else, e.g.,

marker- 1
header- 1
reference - II.1

The prefix in the main-text marker and in the footnote header are 
superfluous, e.g., the reader already knows which chapter one is 
reading. But to reference a footnote from a later chapter, a prefix is 
needed to let the reader know which chapter.


So the question is: Can the prefix be made to apply only to the 
reference and not the marker or notation header?


You have to set different prefixsegments settings for the note entries 
and the references.



\defineconversionset [OLIE] [n,R,n,n,n,n] [n]

\setuphead
  [sectionconversionset=OLIE]

\setupnotation
  [footnote]
  [prefix=yes,
   prefixset=none]

\setupreferencestructureprefix
  [footnote]
  [default]
  [prefixsegments=chapter,
   prefixset=all]

\starttext

\chapter{Chapter}

Hey\footnote[listen]{This is a footnote.}

See \in{footnote}[listen].

\stoptext



==
Observation:

For endnotes at the end of a book having the prefix in the header is 
also useful, i.e.,


marker- 1
header- II.1
reference - II.1

So a general mechanism to set the prefix for each of the above three 
would be useful.


If not currently supported, would like to make this a feature request.
==


I don’t think this is possible because marker and header share the same 
counter setups.


Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Referencing footnotes by SECTION

2018-07-02 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد

Hi Wolfgang,

On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 00:58:44 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster  
 wrote:



Hi Idris,

you can enable the display of chapter numbers with the prefix-key:

\setupnotation
   [footnote]
   [prefix=yes,
   %prefixsegments=chapter,
way=bychapter]


Many thanks for this. There is an unwanted side-effect: Let

marker= main-text footnote marker
header= numeral for footnote header
reference = reference numeral

The prefix appears in three places, e.g.,

marker- II.1
header- II.1
reference - II.1

but we only want the prefix in the reference, not anywhere else, e.g.,

marker- 1
header- 1
reference - II.1

The prefix in the main-text marker and in the footnote header are  
superfluous, e.g., the reader already knows which chapter one is reading.  
But to reference a footnote from a later chapter, a prefix is needed to  
let the reader know which chapter.


So the question is: Can the prefix be made to apply only to the reference  
and not the marker or notation header?


==
Observation:

For endnotes at the end of a book having the prefix in the header is also  
useful, i.e.,


marker- 1
header- II.1
reference - II.1

So a general mechanism to set the prefix for each of the above three would  
be useful.


If not currently supported, would like to make this a feature request.
==

Thank you again, Wolfgang.

Best wishes
Idris


Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد 
30. Juni 2018 um 23:04
Dear gang,

When referencing footnotes that reset each chapter, is there a way to
include the chapter information? See attached and below:

===
\setuphead[chapter]   [alternative=normal,conversion=R]
\setuphead[subsection][alternative=text]
\setuphead[subsection][distance=0em,
   textdistance=0.7em,
   sectionstopper=.,
   criterium=local]

\setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]

\setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
   [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace]

\setupwhitespace[big]
\starttext

\startchapter[title={First},reference={}]
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference1}]
\input ward
\startfootnote[footnote1]
\input ward
\stopfootnote{}

See \in{Footnote}[footnote2].
\stopsubsection
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference2}]
\input ward
\stopsubsection
\stopchapter

\startchapter[title={Second}]
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference3}]
\input ward
\stopsubsection
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference5}]
\input ward
\startfootnote[footnote2]
\input ward
\stopfootnote{}

See \in{Footnote}[footnote1].
\stopsubsection
\stopchapter
\stoptext
===

If line 8 is commented -
\setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]
- we get what we expect. But if line 8 is activated, we get an
ambiguity: Both references give back

 "Footnote 1"

Whereas what we would like is something like this:

 Footnote  I.1

i.e., Chapter I, Footnote 1 - for the first footnote; and

 Footnote II.1

i.e., Chapter II, Footnote 1 - for the second footnote.

Is there a straightforward way to do this?

[[Of course, for the roman chapter numbering we also run into the
reference-numberconversionset issue of the other thread, where

\definestructureconversionset[OLIE][n,R,n,n,n,n][n]
\setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
   [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace,
numberconversionset=OLIE]

doesn't seem to work.]]

Thank you in advance for any guidance or pointers you can provide!

Best wishes
Idris





--
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Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80512

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Re: [NTG-context] Referencing footnotes by SECTION

2018-07-02 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Hi Idris,

you can enable the display of chapter numbers with the prefix-key:

\setupnotation
  [footnote]
  [prefix=yes,
  %prefixsegments=chapter,
   way=bychapter]

Wolfgang

Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد 
30. Juni 2018 um 23:04
Dear gang,

When referencing footnotes that reset each chapter, is there a way to 
include the chapter information? See attached and below:


===
\setuphead[chapter]   [alternative=normal,conversion=R]
\setuphead[subsection][alternative=text]
\setuphead[subsection][distance=0em,
   textdistance=0.7em,
   sectionstopper=.,
   criterium=local]

\setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]

\setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
   [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace]

\setupwhitespace[big]
\starttext

\startchapter[title={First},reference={}]
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference1}]
\input ward
\startfootnote[footnote1]
\input ward
\stopfootnote{}

See \in{Footnote}[footnote2].
\stopsubsection
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference2}]
\input ward
\stopsubsection
\stopchapter

\startchapter[title={Second}]
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference3}]
\input ward
\stopsubsection
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference5}]
\input ward
\startfootnote[footnote2]
\input ward
\stopfootnote{}

See \in{Footnote}[footnote1].
\stopsubsection
\stopchapter
\stoptext
===

If line 8 is commented -
\setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]
- we get what we expect. But if line 8 is activated, we get an 
ambiguity: Both references give back


 "Footnote 1"

Whereas what we would like is something like this:

 Footnote  I.1

i.e., Chapter I, Footnote 1 - for the first footnote; and

 Footnote II.1

i.e., Chapter II, Footnote 1 - for the second footnote.

Is there a straightforward way to do this?

[[Of course, for the roman chapter numbering we also run into the 
reference-numberconversionset issue of the other thread, where


\definestructureconversionset[OLIE][n,R,n,n,n,n][n]
\setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
   [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace,
numberconversionset=OLIE]

doesn't seem to work.]]

Thank you in advance for any guidance or pointers you can provide!

Best wishes
Idris


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Re: [NTG-context] Referencing footnotes by SECTION

2018-06-30 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد

Attached!

On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 15:04:02 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد  
 wrote:



Dear gang,

When referencing footnotes that reset each chapter, is there a way to  
include the chapter information? See attached and below:


===
\setuphead[chapter]   [alternative=normal,conversion=R]
\setuphead[subsection][alternative=text]
\setuphead[subsection][distance=0em,
textdistance=0.7em,
sectionstopper=.,
criterium=local]

\setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]

\setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
[prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace]

\setupwhitespace[big]
\starttext

\startchapter[title={First},reference={}]
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference1}]
\input ward
\startfootnote[footnote1]
\input ward
\stopfootnote{}

See \in{Footnote}[footnote2].
\stopsubsection
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference2}]
\input ward
\stopsubsection
\stopchapter

\startchapter[title={Second}]
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference3}]
\input ward
\stopsubsection
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference5}]
\input ward
\startfootnote[footnote2]
\input ward
\stopfootnote{}

See \in{Footnote}[footnote1].
\stopsubsection
\stopchapter
\stoptext
===

If line 8 is commented -
\setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]
- we get what we expect. But if line 8 is activated, we get an  
ambiguity: Both references give back


  "Footnote 1"

Whereas what we would like is something like this:

  Footnote  I.1

i.e., Chapter I, Footnote 1 - for the first footnote; and

  Footnote II.1

i.e., Chapter II, Footnote 1 - for the second footnote.

Is there a straightforward way to do this?

[[Of course, for the roman chapter numbering we also run into the  
reference-numberconversionset issue of the other thread, where


\definestructureconversionset[OLIE][n,R,n,n,n,n][n]
\setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
[prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace,
 numberconversionset=OLIE]

doesn't seem to work.]]

Thank you in advance for any guidance or pointers you can provide!

Best wishes
Idris



--
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Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80512

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[NTG-context] Referencing footnotes by SECTION

2018-06-30 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد

Dear gang,

When referencing footnotes that reset each chapter, is there a way to  
include the chapter information? See attached and below:


===
\setuphead[chapter]   [alternative=normal,conversion=R]
\setuphead[subsection][alternative=text]
\setuphead[subsection][distance=0em,
   textdistance=0.7em,
   sectionstopper=.,
   criterium=local]

\setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]

\setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
   [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace]

\setupwhitespace[big]
\starttext

\startchapter[title={First},reference={}]
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference1}]
\input ward
\startfootnote[footnote1]
\input ward
\stopfootnote{}

See \in{Footnote}[footnote2].
\stopsubsection
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference2}]
\input ward
\stopsubsection
\stopchapter

\startchapter[title={Second}]
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference3}]
\input ward
\stopsubsection
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference5}]
\input ward
\startfootnote[footnote2]
\input ward
\stopfootnote{}

See \in{Footnote}[footnote1].
\stopsubsection
\stopchapter
\stoptext
===

If line 8 is commented -
\setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]
- we get what we expect. But if line 8 is activated, we get an ambiguity:  
Both references give back


 "Footnote 1"

Whereas what we would like is something like this:

 Footnote  I.1

i.e., Chapter I, Footnote 1 - for the first footnote; and

 Footnote II.1

i.e., Chapter II, Footnote 1 - for the second footnote.

Is there a straightforward way to do this?

[[Of course, for the roman chapter numbering we also run into the  
reference-numberconversionset issue of the other thread, where


\definestructureconversionset[OLIE][n,R,n,n,n,n][n]
\setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
   [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace,
numberconversionset=OLIE]

doesn't seem to work.]]

Thank you in advance for any guidance or pointers you can provide!

Best wishes
Idris
--
Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80512
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