Re: [NTG-context] context vs texinfo
On 8-7-2010 9:32, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi, Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote: Hi, I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds. A whole 2 seconds? That's ridiculously slow! I just tried to print a document with 'cat | lpr' and it took much less than a tenth of a second! :) Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still? Seriously: you gave the first half of the answer yourself. The second half is that texinfo is very simple. Yes, context is quite a bit slower thanks to extra complexity. I am not going to list all of the things context can do that texinfo cannot as that would take the better part of an hour, but there are a few other reasons as well: * context usually needs three runs the very first time you process a document (but typically only one or two runs after that) and it does these consecutive runs automatically. It keeps running tex until there are no more runs needed, and this sometimes (well, often, to be honest) means that it does one run too many. But one run too much is still a lot better than a wrong link. * context typically is set up to use much larger values for the internal memory arrays, and this results in a slower runtime. You can actually speed up context by reducing its memory footprint to just what is needed for your own typical document types (dont forget to regenerate the formats). but 16 sec for a simple doc is still too much given that the cache etc are set up; the 2 sec texinfo is an indication that the whol setup is suboptimal (network?) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context vs texinfo
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote: > Hi, > I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run > approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds. > Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still? > > -- > Best regards, > Shiv Shankar Dayal texinfo is not able to do this http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/columns.pdf while context can easily mimic texinfo, at least for pdf ouput. Anyway, without an example it's like compare apples with oranges. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context vs texinfo
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 02:54:40 -0400 Shiv Shankar Dayal scribit: > Hi, > > I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run > approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds. > > Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still? > > -- > Best regards, > Shiv Shankar Dayal WORKING WITH lINUX: May be your context-path is bad. Open a console. Try to find the file "setuptex" Then "source THE_PATH_FOUND/setuptex" The tip is somewhere in the contextgarden. -- René Bastian www.pythoneon.org www.musiques-rb.org http://www.soundsurvey.org.uk/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context vs texinfo
Hi, Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote: > Hi, > > I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run > approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds. A whole 2 seconds? That's ridiculously slow! I just tried to print a document with 'cat | lpr' and it took much less than a tenth of a second! :) > Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still? Seriously: you gave the first half of the answer yourself. The second half is that texinfo is very simple. Yes, context is quite a bit slower thanks to extra complexity. I am not going to list all of the things context can do that texinfo cannot as that would take the better part of an hour, but there are a few other reasons as well: * context usually needs three runs the very first time you process a document (but typically only one or two runs after that) and it does these consecutive runs automatically. It keeps running tex until there are no more runs needed, and this sometimes (well, often, to be honest) means that it does one run too many. But one run too much is still a lot better than a wrong link. * context typically is set up to use much larger values for the internal memory arrays, and this results in a slower runtime. You can actually speed up context by reducing its memory footprint to just what is needed for your own typical document types (dont forget to regenerate the formats). Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context vs texinfo
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote: > Hi, > I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run > approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds. > Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still? Do you have an example ? -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] context vs texinfo
Hi, I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds. Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still? -- Best regards, Shiv Shankar Dayal ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
