Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-27 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Bruce D'Arcus bdarcus.li...@gmail.comwrote: John Haltiwanger john.haltiwanger at gmail.com writes: [...] Markdown with RDFa on the side will suit quite nicely, thanks to pandoc. Actually, you can embed the RDFa within the markdown files if you like. div

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-26 Thread John Haltiwanger
In any case, I'd worry less about the technology, and more about what you need from it. That will make it easier to figure out which approach is best. Bruce Markdown with RDFa on the side will suit quite nicely, thanks to pandoc. The desire for semantical documents sounds like it will be

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-26 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:26 PM, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote: In any case, I'd worry less about the technology, and more about what you need from it. That will make it easier to figure out which approach is best. Bruce Markdown with RDFa on the side will suit

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-26 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 25.05.2009 um 22:25 schrieb Mohamed Bana: i tend to write in Markdown, as the syntax is very light weight, then compile with pandoc (http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/). $ pandoc --toc --smart --number-sections --standalone -H header.tex - w context file.pdc -o file.tex $ texexec

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-26 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
John Haltiwanger john.haltiwanger at gmail.com writes: [...] Markdown with RDFa on the side will suit quite nicely, thanks to pandoc. Actually, you can embed the RDFa within the markdown files if you like. div property=x:section # Introduction Test. /div Pandoc will just pass it on to

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.netwrote: Am 2009-05-24 um 19:17 schrieb John Haltiwanger: 1) Can environment files be used across documents, or is it generally understood that every ConTeXt document requires its own environment formatting? (The latter is

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread Hans Hagen
John Haltiwanger wrote: On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.netwrote: Am 2009-05-24 um 19:17 schrieb John Haltiwanger: 1) Can environment files be used across documents, or is it generally understood that every ConTeXt document requires its own environment

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 25.05.2009 um 18:30 schrieb John Haltiwanger: I am not averse to rolling my own, I am just confused why, if environments are so powerful and flexible (flexible meaning one can easily change things, unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I am thinking

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread John Haltiwanger
I am not averse to rolling my own, I am just confused why, if environments are so powerful and flexible (flexible meaning one can easily change things, unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread Hans Hagen
John Haltiwanger wrote: Okay, but that does imply that an organization can set up an environment and expect its members to use it. indeed, of seek help in doing so (not much different from setting up a housestyle for word ro whatever) I'm not sure what you mean by a representation of a

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread Mohamed Bana
my personal favourite http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/44368/focus=46254, beware you might have trouble getting that to compile with a new version of LuaTeX. John Haltiwanger wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
These paragraphs seems to contradict. ConTeXt is useful if you use an environment more than once, but there are no ready-to-use ConTeXt environments. You're probably confused by the term environment. It means something very specific in ConTeXt, see for example section 2.3 of

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread Hans Hagen
John Haltiwanger wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 25.05.2009 um 18:30 schrieb John Haltiwanger: I am not averse to rolling my own, I am just confused why, if environments are so powerful and flexible (flexible meaning one

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
Since Arthur implies that an XML output might one day be feasible, Note that the final estimate for the stable release of LuaTeX is 2012, but the backend features may be available sooner. Many people are looking forward to using LuaTeX for producing XML-based and other formats

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: Since Arthur implies that an XML output might one day be feasible, Note that the final estimate for the stable release of LuaTeX is 2012, but the backend features may be available

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
Nice, glad to hear it. Also of interest are new semantic tagging facilities for PDF in the newest proposal for ISO 32000, mentioned by an Adobe engineer in the comments of this blog entry http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009/04/semantically-richer-pdf.html If you mean Leonard

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread John Haltiwanger
Yes, that is the comment. Thank you for the heads up :) On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: Nice, glad to hear it. Also of interest are new semantic tagging facilities for PDF in the newest proposal for ISO 32000, mentioned by an Adobe

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Mon, 25 May 2009, John Haltiwanger wrote: unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or a There are no standardized thesis styles for universities mainly because there are no consistent

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread John Haltiwanger
Thank you Aditya. All that makes sense to me. It is quite clear from everyone's responses that the person on c.t.t who claimed ConTeXt is only for one-offs was not correct. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009, John Haltiwanger wrote:

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread Hans Hagen
John Haltiwanger wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: Since Arthur implies that an XML output might one day be feasible, Note that the final estimate for the stable release of LuaTeX is 2012, but the backend

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread Mohamed Bana
i tend to write in Markdown, as the syntax is very light weight, then compile with pandoc (http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/). $ pandoc --toc --smart --number-sections --standalone -H header.tex -w context file.pdc -o file.tex $ texexec file.tex i think Aditya has some documents floating

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread John Haltiwanger
Wow, that is handy! Thanks for the tip Modamed. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Mohamed Bana mbana.li...@googlemail.comwrote: i tend to write in Markdown, as the syntax is very light weight, then compile with pandoc (http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/). $ pandoc --toc --smart

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread luigi scarso
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: John Haltiwanger wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: Since Arthur implies that an XML output might one day be feasible, Note that the final

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread Hans Hagen
luigi scarso wrote: well , if you give us some hints maybe someone will present an article at next context meeting ... (1) wait for the rewritten backend (next year) (2) wait till structure in mkiv is stable but indeed we can discuss these things at the upcoming context meeting Hans

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
well , if you give us some hints maybe someone will present an article at next context meeting ... If you're interested in Tagged PDF, you should really look into what the River Valley guys are doing on the mailing-list I mentioned, and contact Ross Moore, Han The Thanh, etc.

Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-24 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2009-05-24 um 19:17 schrieb John Haltiwanger: 1) Can environment files be used across documents, or is it generally understood that every ConTeXt document requires its own environment formatting? (The latter is the view of someone on c.t.t, who said his perception of ConTeXt was that it