Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-20 Thread Oliver Heins
Hi Luigi,

luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:

You can find the relevant pages
 of the booklet at http://sopos.org/olli/armut-fail.pdf

 If I understand well, you want
 an automatic solution
 instead of a manual solution like this one

No.  I already did that.  I want that the 

| \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
| 
| Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
| David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
| world should knew about!)

part of my minimal example gets typeset.  By now, it doesn't.  To me
that looks like a pretty big bug in ConTeXt.

Best regards,
 olli

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-20 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
 Hi Luigi,

 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:

You can find the relevant pages
 of the booklet at http://sopos.org/olli/armut-fail.pdf

 If I understand well, you want
 an automatic solution
 instead of a manual solution like this one

 No.  I already did that.  I want that the

 | \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
 |
 | Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
 | David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
 | world should knew about!)

 part of my minimal example gets typeset.  By now, it doesn't.  To me
 that looks like a pretty big bug in ConTeXt.

 Best regards,
  olli
For what I understand
\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}
and columnset with n=3 are not compatible.
I mean
1.95\textwidth and n=3 are not compatible

In mkii your \subject disappear, in mkiv no but things changes with
1.92\textwidth
whiel with 1.0\textwidth things go well.
I'm not surprised because columnsets must be carefully managed .

I thought you wanted to place this fig in a span of two columns, but I
was wrong -- sorry.

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-20 Thread Oliver Heins
luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:

 On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:

 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:

 No.  I already did that.  I want that the

 | \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
 |
 | Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
 | David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
 | world should knew about!)

 part of my minimal example gets typeset.  By now, it doesn't.  To me
 that looks like a pretty big bug in ConTeXt.

 For what I understand
 \placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}
 and columnset with n=3 are not compatible.
 I mean
 1.95\textwidth and n=3 are not compatible

Same is true for lines=19.  I think this is a bug in ConTeXt, and I
wanted to report it, in the hope it will get fixed.

 In mkii your \subject disappear, in mkiv no but things changes with
 1.92\textwidth
 whiel with 1.0\textwidth things go well.
 I'm not surprised because columnsets must be carefully managed .

Sorry, but I won't consider a »feature working properly only under some
very rare circumstances« a properly working feature, but a broken one. 

 I thought you wanted to place this fig in a span of two columns, but I
 was wrong -- sorry.

No problem.  I should be more precise in my phrases.


Best regards,
 olli


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-20 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:

 For what I understand
 \placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}
 and columnset with n=3 are not compatible.
 I mean
 1.95\textwidth and n=3 are not compatible

 Same is true for lines=19.  I think this is a bug in ConTeXt, and I
 wanted to report it, in the hope it will get fixed.
no surprise here ,as before

 In mkii your \subject disappear, in mkiv no but things changes with
 1.92\textwidth
 whiel with 1.0\textwidth things go well.
 I'm not surprised because columnsets must be carefully managed .

 Sorry, but I won't consider a »feature working properly only under some
 very rare circumstances« a properly working feature, but a broken one.

I disagree here.
In columnsets I always  exactly specify what  I want to do, to avoid surprise.
For example in your situation I  use width=1.0\textwidth, because
\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}
is a non-sense for me: I cannot  put a figure large 1.95\textwidth in
a column large \textwidth.
If I need  to do so, then I must reserve a span in a some way.


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-20 Thread Oliver Heins
luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:

 On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:

 For what I understand
 \placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}
 and columnset with n=3 are not compatible.
 I mean
 1.95\textwidth and n=3 are not compatible

 Same is true for lines=19.  I think this is a bug in ConTeXt, and I
 wanted to report it, in the hope it will get fixed.
 no surprise here ,as before

 In mkii your \subject disappear, in mkiv no but things changes with
 1.92\textwidth
 whiel with 1.0\textwidth things go well.
 I'm not surprised because columnsets must be carefully managed .

 Sorry, but I won't consider a »feature working properly only under some
 very rare circumstances« a properly working feature, but a broken one.

 I disagree here.
 In columnsets I always  exactly specify what  I want to do, to avoid surprise.
 For example in your situation I  use width=1.0\textwidth, because
 \placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}
 is a non-sense for me: I cannot  put a figure large 1.95\textwidth in
 a column large \textwidth.

Yes, but the 1.95\textwidth was just a remainder of my experiments with
the width to see where the problem occurs and where not.  It occurs with
width=2\textwidth, too, as well as with lines=19.  And the latter two
one make sense.

And no, I don't want to put a figure 2 columns wide in a single column.
I want it to spawn over two columns.

 If I need  to do so, then I must reserve a span in a some way.

According to http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/columns.pdf (page
16ff.) it is perfectly okay to do the way I did.

That's what the directive btlr is for: flush from bottom to top and left
to right.

It's a documented feature, and it's not working properly (at least from
what I see).  I call this a bug.

Best regards,
 olli

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-20 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
 According to http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/columns.pdf (page
 16ff.) it is perfectly okay to do the way I did.

 That's what the directive btlr is for: flush from bottom to top and left
 to right.

 It's a documented feature, and it's not working properly (at least from
 what I see).  I call this a bug.


Yes can be but
I don't  mix  code from chapter Graphics with code from chapter Areas,
so until now my code has  worked as expected.
(I usually work with Area, so this is why I 've said that
1.95\textwidth is non-sense)
This works for example in mkiv and mkii ,so I suspect some not-so-good
interaction between Area and Chapter,
but I still disagree to call it a bug because typesetting in columns
is always hard in TeX, so maybe it's a feature that
you need but it's not still implemented .
Of course more examples can be usefuls in this sense.

\setupbodyfont[ss,10pt]
\setupinterlinespace[line=2.6ex]

\setuppapersize[A4][A4]
\setuplayout[backspace=2cm,width=middle,
 offset=0mm,
  topspace=0cm,height=middle,
   location=middle,
   ]
   \setupcolors[state=start]
   \setuptolerance[tolerant,verytolerant]

   \definefloat[grafik]
   \setupcaption[grafik][number=no,location=bottom]

   \definecolumnset[ergebnisse][n=3]
   %\definecolumnsetarea
   %[title][left]
   %[x=1,y=1,nx=6,ny=42,page=2,state=start]

   \starttext

   \startcolumnset[ergebnisse]
   \definecolumnsethsize{ergebnisse}{1}{2}\Two
   \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte}

   \placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][lines=19,width=1.95\textwidth]}

   \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}

   Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
   David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
   world should knew about!)

   \dorecurse{8}{\input tufte}

   \stopcolumnset

   \stoptext



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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-20 Thread Hans Hagen

On 20-1-2010 10:08, Oliver Heins wrote:

Hi Luigi,

luigi scarsoluigi.sca...@gmail.com  writes:


On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Oliver Heinso...@sopos.org  wrote:



You can find the relevant pages
of the booklet at http://sopos.org/olli/armut-fail.pdf


If I understand well, you want
an automatic solution
instead of a manual solution like this one


No.  I already did that.  I want that the

| \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
|
| Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
| David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
| world should knew about!)

part of my minimal example gets typeset.  By now, it doesn't.  To me
that looks like a pretty big bug in ConTeXt.


columnsets can indeed loose content depending on how you finish them

this might be improved in future versions depending on (also) luatex dev 
which gives me some more info


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-20 Thread Oliver Heins
Hi Hans,

Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl writes:

 No.  I already did that.  I want that the

 | \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
 |
 | Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
 | David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
 | world should knew about!)

 part of my minimal example gets typeset.  By now, it doesn't.  To me
 that looks like a pretty big bug in ConTeXt.

 columnsets can indeed loose content depending on how you finish them

How can I finish a columnset so that it doesn't loose content?

 this might be improved in future versions depending on (also) luatex
 dev which gives me some more info

:-)

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 olli

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-20 Thread Hans Hagen

On 20-1-2010 13:53, Oliver Heins wrote:

Hi Hans,

Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl  writes:


No.  I already did that.  I want that the

| \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
|
| Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
| David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
| world should knew about!)

part of my minimal example gets typeset.  By now, it doesn't.  To me
that looks like a pretty big bug in ConTeXt.


columnsets can indeed loose content depending on how you finish them


How can I finish a columnset so that it doesn't loose content?


\page after the stopcolumnset

also, as luigi remarked, chapter might somehow interfere if it is set up 
to start with a new page



this might be improved in future versions depending on (also) luatex
dev which gives me some more info


:-)


well, keep in mind that tex itself has no concept of columns at all and 
that all heuristics (and unpredictable cases) have to be dealt with in 
macros (and developing that is quite timeconsuming)


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-20 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:

 How can I finish a columnset so that it doesn't loose content?

 \page after the stopcolumnset
^^^ this is fondamental ^^^

My experience says
0) keep start/stopcolumnset as small as possible to flush on a regular basis
and
1) use material from chapter Graphics
xor
2) use material from chapter Area
xor
3) Are you sure that I don't Indesign instead ?



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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-20 Thread Oliver Heins
Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl writes:

 On 20-1-2010 13:53, Oliver Heins wrote:

 How can I finish a columnset so that it doesn't loose content?

 \page after the stopcolumnset

Thanks, I didn't know this.

 also, as luigi remarked, chapter might somehow interfere if it is set
 up to start with a new page

 this might be improved in future versions depending on (also) luatex
 dev which gives me some more info

 :-)

 well, keep in mind that tex itself has no concept of columns at all
 and that all heuristics (and unpredictable cases) have to be dealt
 with in macros (and developing that is quite timeconsuming)

I know.  Thanks for doing this job so well and sharing the code, Hans!

Hopefully, things are getting better with luatex.

Best regards,
 olli
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-20 Thread Oliver Heins
luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:

 3) Are you sure that I don't Indesign instead ?

Guess I'm too much a TeXnician (or a TeXophilian) for that, and besides,
Indesign doesn't run under Linux anyway (I have a kind of windowphobia
;-).

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-19 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
 Hi,

 under certain circumstances, ConTeXt swallows text.  This happens with
 both MkII and MkIV and a fairly recent minimals distribution.

 | ConTeXt  ver: 2009.11.24 10:13 MKII  fmt: 2009.11.25  int: english/english
 | ConTeXt  ver: 2009.11.24 10:13 MKIV  fmt: 2009.11.25  int: english/english

 Sadly, I noticed not until the booklet was already printed.  (Actually,
 it was my customer who noticed.)  :-(

 Best regards,
  olli

 % ---
 \enableregime[utf-8]
 \setupbodyfont[ss,10pt]
 \setupinterlinespace[line=2.6ex]

 \setuppapersize[A4][A4]
 \setuplayout[backspace=2cm,width=middle,
  offset=0mm,
  topspace=0cm,height=middle,
  location=middle,
 ]
 \setupcolors[state=start]
 \setuptolerance[tolerant,verytolerant]

 \definefloat[grafik]
 \setupcaption[grafik][number=no,location=bottom]

 \definecolumnset[ergebnisse][n=3]
 \definecolumnsetarea
 [title][left]
 [x=1,y=1,nx=6,ny=42,page=2,state=start]

 \starttext

 \startcolumnset[ergebnisse]

 \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte}

 \placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}

 \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}

 Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
 David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
 world should knew about!)

 \dorecurse{3}{\input tufte}

 \stopcolumnset

 \stoptext
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Why nx=6 and width=1.95\textwidth ?

What about this ?

\enableregime[utf-8]
\setupbodyfont[ss,10pt]
\setupinterlinespace[line=2.6ex]

\setuppapersize[A4][A4]
\setuplayout[backspace=2cm,width=middle,
 offset=0mm,
  topspace=0cm,height=middle,
   location=middle,
   ]
   \setupcolors[state=start]
   \setuptolerance[tolerant,verytolerant]

   \definefloat[grafik]
   \setupcaption[grafik][number=no,location=bottom]

   \definecolumnset[ergebnisse][n=3]
   \definecolumnsetarea
   [title][left]
   [x=1,y=1,nx=2,ny=42,page=2,state=start]

   
\setupcolumnsetareatext[title][left][{\externalfigure[cow][width=1.95\textwidth]}]

   \starttext

   \startcolumnset[ergebnisse]

   \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte}

   %\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[cow][width=1.95\textwidth]}

   \subject{foo fooo fooof oof fooo}

   \dorecurse{5}{\input tufte}

   \stopcolumnset

   \stoptext



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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-19 Thread Oliver Heins
Hi Luigi,

luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:

 Why nx=6 

Because of the layout of the booklet.  The area should fit over two
pages (= 6 columns).

 and width=1.95\textwidth ?

I played around with the width to see if the problem still happens.  For
some reason, I stuck with 1.95\textwidth.  In my original setup, I had
lines=19 :-)

 What about this ? 

That's a completely different layout.  You can find the relevant pages
of the booklet at http://sopos.org/olli/armut-fail.pdf

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-19 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
 Hi Luigi,

 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:

 Why nx=6

 Because of the layout of the booklet.  The area should fit over two
 pages (= 6 columns).
ok

You can find the relevant pages
 of the booklet at http://sopos.org/olli/armut-fail.pdf

If I understand well, you want
an automatic solution
instead of a manual solution like this one

 \defineoverlay [foregraphics]
[{\externalfigure[cow][width=5.8\textwidth,lines=41]}]
 \defineoverlay [backgraphics]
[{\externalfigure[mill][width=2\textwidth,lines=20]}]

   \definecolumnset[ergebnisse][n=3]
   \definecolumnsetarea
   [title][left]
   
[x=1,y=1,nx=6,ny=42,page=2,state=start,background={backgraphics,foreground,foregraphics}]

   \setupcolumnsetareatext[title][left][{%
\ruledhbox to \dimexpr 6\textwidth+2\backspace+1cm\relax{\raggedright
\ruledvbox to 41\lineheight{\hsize=1.6\textwidth {\bfd 1}
\dorecurse{3}{ \input knuth }}
\hskip0.5em
\ruledvbox to 41\lineheight{\hsize=1.6\textwidth {\bfd 2}
\dorecurse{3}{ \input knuth }}
\hskip\backspace
\ruledvbox to 41\lineheight{\hsize=1.6\textwidth {\bfd 3}
\dorecurse{3}{ \input knuth }}
\hskip0.5em
\ruledvbox to 41\lineheight{\hsize=1.6\textwidth {\bfd 4}
\dorecurse{3}{ \input knuth }}
}
}]


-- 
luigi
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