Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
On 26-9-2010 2:02, Aditya Mahajan wrote: Does it make sense to copy the definition of mult-aux.mkiv to mkii? Everything other than \definenamespace should work in both mkii and mkiv. That way, I can use it in modules that target both mkii and mkiv. if you consider it useful ... keep in mind that it uses the new inheritance model of mkiv (less predefined hash entries at the cost of a bit more runtime but also more powerful) ... adding it would not mean that I'd adapt all old mkii code to it BTW, I am still amused how Hans manages to write such code. If you replace \expandafter with \...@ea, this code will have more # than other characters combined :) grep for #...@ea or #\expandafter and you will see some real horror Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
Am 26.09.2010 um 02:02 schrieb Aditya Mahajan: Does it make sense to copy the definition of mult-aux.mkiv to mkii? Everything other than \definenamespace should work in both mkii and mkiv. That way, I can use it in modules that target both mkii and mkiv. Parameter handling is different in mkii and mkiv and it’s not such a problem to write different code for each of them. For fancybreak i used different mechanism for each of them and i think you should do this as well with your filter module. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 26.09.2010 um 02:02 schrieb Aditya Mahajan: Does it make sense to copy the definition of mult-aux.mkiv to mkii? Everything other than \definenamespace should work in both mkii and mkiv. That way, I can use it in modules that target both mkii and mkiv. Parameter handling is different in mkii and mkiv and it’s not such a problem to write different code for each of them. But right now, I use a unified parameter handling for both mkii and mkiv. For fancybreak i used different mechanism for each of them and i think you should do this as well with your filter module. You are essentially maintaining two modules, one for mkii and one for mkiv. At least for the filter module, I would like to maintain only one module. The current version has manual parameter handling. Some of which can be automated using \installparameterhandler etc. That is why I am asking part of mult-aux.mkiv to be copied to mkii. Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 26-9-2010 2:02, Aditya Mahajan wrote: Does it make sense to copy the definition of mult-aux.mkiv to mkii? Everything other than \definenamespace should work in both mkii and mkiv. That way, I can use it in modules that target both mkii and mkiv. if you consider it useful ... keep in mind that it uses the new inheritance model of mkiv (less predefined hash entries at the cost of a bit more runtime but also more powerful) ... adding it would not mean that I'd adapt all old mkii code to it I understand. I am not asking any change in the mkii code. Just want the macros for the inheritance code (without the definenamespace macro that uses lua) to be available in mkii so that I can use the new inheritance model with mkii in my modules. (I use it anyways, but with boilerplate macros borrowed from Wolfgang. All I want to do is reduce that boilerplate) Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
On Sun, Sep 26 2010, Aditya Mahajan wrote: You are essentially maintaining two modules, one for mkii and one for mkiv. At least for the filter module, I would like to maintain only one module. The current version has manual parameter handling. Some of which can be automated using \installparameterhandler etc. That is why I am asking part of mult-aux.mkiv to be copied to mkii. Hello, It would be interesting, to know how many people actually use mkii. Perhaps a survey on the wiki...? Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 23.09.2010 um 22:32 schrieb Hans Hagen:
On 23-9-2010 6:35, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote:
Hello, masters ...
I would like create my first context mkiv module.
Can someone please steer me what the first study and where to find some
good advice for beginners?
Appropriate would be also a simple module, which was easy to read and
find out how to do everything correctly.
just take a look at wolfgang's ... they use the latest mkiv abstractions
(module namespaces etc, something that Wolfgang, Aditya and I are working on).
fancybreak [1] is at the moment the only module with all these things but the
other will follow
Does it make sense to copy the definition of mult-aux.mkiv to mkii?
Everything other than \definenamespace should work in both mkii and mkiv.
That way, I can use it in modules that target both mkii and mkiv.
BTW, I am still amused how Hans manages to write such code. If you
replace \expandafter with \...@ea, this code will have more # than other
characters combined :)
\unexpanded\def\doinstallparameterhandler#1#2#3#4#5#6#7%
{\def#3##1{\csname#4{#1#2}{##1}\endcsname}%
\def#4##1##2{\ifcsname##1##2\endcsname##1##2\else\expandafter#5\csname##1\s!parent\endcsname{##2}\fi}%
\def#5##1##2{\ifx##1\relax\s!empty\else#4{##1}{##2}\fi}%
\def#6##1##2{\csname#4{#1##1}{##2}\endcsname}%
\def#7##1{\detokenize\expandafter\expandafter\expandafter{\csname#1##1\endcsname}}}
Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
On 23-9-2010 6:35, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote: Hello, masters ... I would like create my first context mkiv module. Can someone please steer me what the first study and where to find some good advice for beginners? Appropriate would be also a simple module, which was easy to read and find out how to do everything correctly. just take a look at wolfgang's ... they use the latest mkiv abstractions (module namespaces etc, something that Wolfgang, Aditya and I are working on). Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
Am 23.09.2010 um 22:32 schrieb Hans Hagen: On 23-9-2010 6:35, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote: Hello, masters ... I would like create my first context mkiv module. Can someone please steer me what the first study and where to find some good advice for beginners? Appropriate would be also a simple module, which was easy to read and find out how to do everything correctly. just take a look at wolfgang's ... they use the latest mkiv abstractions (module namespaces etc, something that Wolfgang, Aditya and I are working on). btw: modules are used to be stored eg. in ~/context/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/ folder. is is also possible to keep/find them not in texfm tree but in a projects folder? or do I have to use for this purpose environment files? steffen ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
Am 23.09.2010 um 22:32 schrieb Hans Hagen: On 23-9-2010 6:35, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote: Hello, masters ... I would like create my first context mkiv module. Can someone please steer me what the first study and where to find some good advice for beginners? Appropriate would be also a simple module, which was easy to read and find out how to do everything correctly. just take a look at wolfgang's ... they use the latest mkiv abstractions (module namespaces etc, something that Wolfgang, Aditya and I are working on). fancybreak [1] is at the moment the only module with all these things but the other will follow [1] http://bitbucket.org/wolfs/fancybreak/src/tip/files/ Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
Am 23.09.2010 um 22:42 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum: btw: modules are used to be stored eg. in ~/context/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/ folder. is is also possible to keep/find them not in texfm tree but in a projects folder? or do I have to use for this purpose environment files? You can put modules in your project folder and these are always loaded before the files in the tex tree. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
Am 23.09.2010 um 22:47 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: Am 23.09.2010 um 22:42 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum: btw: modules are used to be stored eg. in ~/context/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/ folder. is is also possible to keep/find them not in texfm tree but in a projects folder? or do I have to use for this purpose environment files? You can put modules in your project folder and these are always loaded before the files in the tex tree. Sounds good, but ... For example I have in a project's folder a project_test file with these line: \environment Style_Test \usemodule[p-my-test] Both files (Style_Test.tex and p-my-test.tex are stored next to project_test.tex in the project's folder). The environment file is found without problems ... even when I change the file's name between two runs. The module is never found. What is missing? Steffen ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
On 23-9-2010 11:08, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: Am 23.09.2010 um 22:47 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: Am 23.09.2010 um 22:42 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum: btw: modules are used to be stored eg. in ~/context/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/ folder. is is also possible to keep/find them not in texfm tree but in a projects folder? or do I have to use for this purpose environment files? You can put modules in your project folder and these are always loaded before the files in the tex tree. Sounds good, but ... For example I have in a project's folder a project_test file with these line: \environment Style_Test \usemodule[p-my-test] Both files (Style_Test.tex and p-my-test.tex are stored next to project_test.tex in the project's folder). The environment file is found without problems ... even when I change the file's name between two runs. The module is never found. \usemodule[p][my-test] - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
Am 23.09.2010 um 23:08 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum: btw: modules are used to be stored eg. in ~/context/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/ folder. is is also possible to keep/find them not in texfm tree but in a projects folder? or do I have to use for this purpose environment files? You can put modules in your project folder and these are always loaded before the files in the tex tree. Sounds good, but ... For example I have in a project's folder a project_test file with these line: \environment Style_Test \usemodule[p-my-test] Both files (Style_Test.tex and p-my-test.tex are stored next to project_test.tex in the project's folder). The environment file is found without problems ... even when I change the file's name between two runs. The module is never found. What is missing? Can you give more information or a example, you don’t mention which file you process and what’s loaded in them. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: Am 23.09.2010 um 22:47 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: Am 23.09.2010 um 22:42 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum: btw: modules are used to be stored eg. in ~/context/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/ folder. is is also possible to keep/find them not in texfm tree but in a projects folder? or do I have to use for this purpose environment files? You can put modules in your project folder and these are always loaded before the files in the tex tree. Sounds good, but ... For example I have in a project's folder a project_test file with these line: \environment Style_Test \usemodule[p-my-test] Both files (Style_Test.tex and p-my-test.tex are stored next to project_test.tex in the project's folder). The environment file is found without problems ... even when I change the file's name between two runs. The module is never found. What is missing? Module lookups do not search in the parent or grand parent directories. One alternative is to always run files from the top project folder: context dir/dir/file Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Can you give more information or a example, you don’t mention which file you process and what’s loaded in them. Consider a simple setup: root-dir/ p-module.tex env-file.tex project-file.tex subdir/ component-file1.tex component-file2.tex Suppose the component-file1 file says \environment env-file while component-file2 says \usemodule[p][module] If I run everything from the root directory, then both component1 and component2 compile fine. On the other hand if I run everything from the subdir, then component1 compiles fine, but component2 will fail to load the module. Basically, module search does not look in parent directories. Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
Am 23.09.2010 um 23:17 schrieb Aditya Mahajan: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: Am 23.09.2010 um 22:47 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: Am 23.09.2010 um 22:42 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum: btw: modules are used to be stored eg. in ~/context/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/ folder. is is also possible to keep/find them not in texfm tree but in a projects folder? or do I have to use for this purpose environment files? You can put modules in your project folder and these are always loaded before the files in the tex tree. Sounds good, but ... For example I have in a project's folder a project_test file with these line: \environment Style_Test \usemodule[p-my-test] Both files (Style_Test.tex and p-my-test.tex are stored next to project_test.tex in the project's folder). The environment file is found without problems ... even when I change the file's name between two runs. The module is never found. What is missing? Module lookups do not search in the parent or grand parent directories. I rather suspected that. Steffen ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
Am 23.09.2010 um 23:15 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: Am 23.09.2010 um 23:08 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum: btw: modules are used to be stored eg. in ~/context/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/ folder. is is also possible to keep/find them not in texfm tree but in a projects folder? or do I have to use for this purpose environment files? You can put modules in your project folder and these are always loaded before the files in the tex tree. Sounds good, but ... For example I have in a project's folder a project_test file with these line: \environment Style_Test \usemodule[p-my-test] Both files (Style_Test.tex and p-my-test.tex are stored next to project_test.tex in the project's folder). The environment file is found without problems ... even when I change the file's name between two runs. The module is never found. What is missing? Can you give more information or a example, you don’t mention which file you process and what’s loaded in them. It's like this (mapping context's recommended project structure): project-dir/ p-module.tex env-file.tex project-file.tex product-file.tex subdir/ component-file1.tex component-file2.tex The project-file file says \environment Style_Test \usemodule[p][module] Now I run from the subdir eg. component-file1.tex: the environment was loaded the module was not. Steffen ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
Hello,
Thanks very much everyone for your advice, I am certainly now a better
starting position ...
I will try to learn something ...
Maybe it sounds silly but at the very beginning I was surprised by the
type of construction:
\def\ld{ld}
\def\ls{ls}
Where do I read about it more?
You have not it easy with me, right? :-)
But luckily I learn fairly quickly :-)...
One more thanx - I appreciate your willingness...
Jarda
Dne 23.9.2010 23:30, Steffen Wolfrum napsal(a):
Am 23.09.2010 um 23:15 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
Am 23.09.2010 um 23:08 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:
btw: modules are used to be stored eg. in
~/context/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/ folder.
is is also possible to keep/find them not in texfm tree but in a projects
folder?
or do I have to use for this purpose environment files?
You can put modules in your project folder and these are always loaded before
the files in the tex tree.
Sounds good, but ...
For example I have in a project's folder a project_test file with these line:
\environment Style_Test
\usemodule[p-my-test]
Both files (Style_Test.tex and p-my-test.tex are stored next to
project_test.tex in the project's folder).
The environment file is found without problems ... even when I change the
file's name between two runs.
The module is never found.
What is missing?
Can you give more information or a example, you don’t mention which file you
process and what’s loaded in them.
It's like this (mapping context's recommended project structure):
project-dir/
p-module.tex
env-file.tex
project-file.tex
product-file.tex
subdir/
component-file1.tex
component-file2.tex
The project-file file says
\environment Style_Test
\usemodule[p][module]
Now I run from the subdir eg. component-file1.tex:
the environment was loaded
the module was not.
Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
Am 23.09.2010 um 23:21 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:
Basically, module search does not look in parent directories.
But you can use a construct like
\doifmodeelse{component}
{\usemodule[module]}
{\usemodule[../module]}
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 23.09.2010 um 23:21 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:
Basically, module search does not look in parent directories.
But you can use a construct like
\doifmodeelse{component}
{\usemodule[module]}
{\usemodule[../module]}
And if you are two directories deep for some components and one dir deep
for others.
\environment \component etc use a heirarchical search. I think that
\usemodule should also use that.
Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
Am 23.09.2010 um 23:36 schrieb Jaroslav Hajtmar:
Hello,
Thanks very much everyone for your advice, I am certainly now a better
starting position ...
I will try to learn something ...
Maybe it sounds silly but at the very beginning I was surprised by the type
of construction:
\def\ld{ld}
\def\ls{ls}
Where do I read about it more?
These are namespaces but you don't need these constructs anymore in mkiv
because there is now a \definenamespace command which takes care of this.
You need a namespace when you use a setup command with key-value-pairs to have
unique names for the keys.
BTW: The two letter namespaces are reserved for Hams and me but you’re free to
use longer ones (we should collect them on a page at the wiki).
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Info about creating modules for beginners.
Am 23.09.2010 um 23:42 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 23.09.2010 um 23:21 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:
Basically, module search does not look in parent directories.
But you can use a construct like
\doifmodeelse{component}
{\usemodule[module]}
{\usemodule[../module]}
And if you are two directories deep for some components and one dir deep for
others.
\environment \component etc use a heirarchical search. I think that
\usemodule should also use that.
And what’s with pictures, \setupexternalfigure[directory=...] has the same
problem as \usemodule?
Wolfgang
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