Re: [NTG-context] Quotation marks
Hi Wolfgang, thanks for your reply. You are right. I shoud say "looks correct" or something like that. Best regards, Atsuhito Kohda ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Quotation marks
Hi all, thanks for all replies.
> indeed. `` and '' are (in tex) pseudo ligatures and not really a
> portable standard, certainly not now that we have utf8 as input (in a
> similar fashion users who need accented characters will not use \"u and
> \'a any more)
In fact, I don't know how to input left, right double quotation
marks and accented characters directly with keyboard.
It is easier for me to input {``}, {''} and \"u etc than
to input utf8 characters with keyboard.
I don't say to make tex-style ligature available by default
but only to make it available under an appropriate setup.
Even this is not suitable for ConTeXt?
Best regards,
Atsuhito Kohda
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Re: [NTG-context] Quotation marks
Atsuhito Kohda schrieb am 20.07.2019 um 01:58:
Hi all,
I think in the same way as Dmitry.
It might be obsolete but, as far as I searched, under the setup
\definefontfeature [texligatures] [tlig=yes]
\feature[+][texligatures]
{''} produces right quotation correctly but left quotation seems
not correct (I don't know why).
You're wrong here because ' is replaced with a apostrophe and what
you see are just two and the have a different space between then than
a normal double quotation mark.
begin example
\starttext
\switchtobodyfont[100pt]
“
”
’
''
\stoptext
end example
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Quotation marks
Another option: Use the fabulous csquotes-package and map \quotation to
\enquote:
=>
```
\usepackage{csquotes}
\let\quotation=\enquote
```
Denis
Am Sa., 20. Juli 2019 um 02:57 Uhr schrieb Hans Hagen :
> On 7/20/2019 2:07 AM, Alan Braslau wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 08:58:27 +0900
> > Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> >
> >> It is true quotes are language dependent but sometime we need
> >> language independent quotes. So it will be nice if we can use
> >> {``}, {''} and \quotation at the same time
> >
> > “”
>
> indeed. `` and '' are (in tex) pseudo ligatures and not really a
> portable standard, certainly not now that we have utf8 as input (in a
> similar fashion users who need accented characters will not use \"u and
> \'a any more)
>
> Hans
>
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Re: [NTG-context] Quotation marks
On 7/20/2019 2:07 AM, Alan Braslau wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 08:58:27 +0900
Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
It is true quotes are language dependent but sometime we need
language independent quotes. So it will be nice if we can use
{``}, {''} and \quotation at the same time
“”
indeed. `` and '' are (in tex) pseudo ligatures and not really a
portable standard, certainly not now that we have utf8 as input (in a
similar fashion users who need accented characters will not use \"u and
\'a any more)
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Quotation marks
On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 08:58:27 +0900
Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> It is true quotes are language dependent but sometime we need
> language independent quotes. So it will be nice if we can use
> {``}, {''} and \quotation at the same time
“”
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Re: [NTG-context] Quotation marks
Hi all,
I think in the same way as Dmitry.
It might be obsolete but, as far as I searched, under the setup
\definefontfeature [texligatures] [tlig=yes]
\feature[+][texligatures]
{''} produces right quotation correctly but left quotation seems
not correct (I don't know why).
It is true quotes are language dependent but sometime we need
language independent quotes. So it will be nice if we can use
{``}, {''} and \quotation at the same time.
Best regards,
Atsuhito Kohda
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Re: [NTG-context] Quotation marks
On 7/19/2019 6:21 PM, Alan Braslau wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:54:08 +0300
Dmitry Starostin wrote:
I understand it might have been deliberately and for various reasons,
but ConTeXt has no analogue for {``} and {''} for quotes. \quotation
is a replacement, but it is awkward if you write a draft in ConTeXt
and make the final variant in pdfLatex. Is there a ready solution for
the quotation marks as marked out in the text? Or one needs to write
his own macro for this?
Write a macro in pdfLatex.
(You can always use utf-8:
“”
« »
„“
etc. as appropriate)
Quotes are rather language dependent so therefore we use \quotation.
As Alan says, you can always define a macro for latex:
\def\quotation#1{``#1''}
doing that for context is not a good idea. (Also because future versions
might issue an error when such core macros are redefined.)
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Quotation marks
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:54:08 +0300
Dmitry Starostin wrote:
> I understand it might have been deliberately and for various reasons,
> but ConTeXt has no analogue for {``} and {''} for quotes. \quotation
> is a replacement, but it is awkward if you write a draft in ConTeXt
> and make the final variant in pdfLatex. Is there a ready solution for
> the quotation marks as marked out in the text? Or one needs to write
> his own macro for this?
Write a macro in pdfLatex.
(You can always use utf-8:
“”
« »
„“
etc. as appropriate)
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] quotation marks for language latin
On Sunday 01/05/2011 at 4:09 pm, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: Hi all, Hans, in lang-def.mkiv (line 623) and and lang-ita.mkii (line 101), we have \installlanguage % the same as italian [\s!la] [\c!rightquote=\lowerrightsingleninequote, \c!rightquotation=\lowerrightdoubleninequote, This can't possibly be right (is there a language which has “quote„ ?). I think the usual thing would be dutch has \installlanguage [\s!la] [\c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoubleninequote, \c!rightquote=\upperrightsingleninequote, what do those latin manuscripts in you office use? Hans ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] quotation marks for language latin
On May 1, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: On Sunday 01/05/2011 at 4:09 pm, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: Hi all, Hans, in lang-def.mkiv (line 623) and and lang-ita.mkii (line 101), we have \installlanguage % the same as italian [\s!la] [\c!rightquote=\lowerrightsingleninequote, \c!rightquotation=\lowerrightdoubleninequote, This can't possibly be right (is there a language which has “quote„ ?). I think the usual thing would be dutch has Wait wait. Dutch has \installlanguage [\s!nl] [\c!rightquote=\upperrightsingleninequote, \c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoubleninequote] I just had a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English_usage_of_quotation_marks, and the only language which has lowerdoubleninequote on the right of the quotation is Hebrew, I assume because its RTL. what do those latin manuscripts in you office use? Hans Quotation marks weren't invented until the printed book (from habits in Greek manuscripts actually, but that's a different story), so manuscripts aren't of help here, unfortunately... Printed texts often follow national conventions (so texts printed in Germany have „quote“), but also “quote” or ‘quote’. I'm fine with anything, but the lowernine variety looks really weird. Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
