Re: [NTG-context] Re: How to use PostScript font

2004-08-24 Thread Siep Kroonenberg
On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 01:26:06AM +0200, Hans Hagen Outside wrote:
 
 ok; btw, also take a look at sieps afm2pl since it has some other nice 
 features 
 Hans 

My belated three cents on some of the things which were discussed in
this thread:

As to texnansi: this is supported in Latex by texnansi.sty. For
Western European languages, it seems to cover pretty much
everything, so there is no need for text companion fonts or virtual
fonts. Basic support (without artificial smallcaps) for a font
family with non-virtual texnansi fonts consists of just four tfms, a
mapfile fragment and, for Latex, an fd file.

As to fontinst: doing it the easy way, using just the latinfamily
command, you get dozens of files, in 8R, T1, OT1 and TS1 encoding.
You have to be pretty expert if you want more fine-grained control
and a more economical set of support files. I don't even know
whether Fontinst can generate non-virtual texnansi fonts which are
suitable for regular typesetting. Besides, I believe that nowadays
fontinst depends on Latex.

Sorry about just mentioning Latex here: I am only an occasional
Context user, and don't use typescripts or texfont at all.

As to afm2pl: the latest version available from tex.aanhet.net is
0.6; later versions are written to be part of TeX Live 2004 which is
currently under development. Because of changes in the TDS, these
may not work correctly in an older TeX installation.

Version 0.7.02 with afm2tfm compatibility is not yet in the TeX Live
source tree, last time I checked.


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Re: [NTG-context] Re: How to use PostScript font

2004-08-24 Thread Siep Kroonenberg
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:09:50PM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
 
 texnansi does not work with german.sty which I'd say is necessary for
 german texts. T1 and OT1 is hardcoded. I don't know about babel.
 
 Patrick

Checking babel.def, I saw that it sets \latinencoding to OT1 if T1
is unavailable - which might explain some encoding-related oddities
I have run into in the past.

Guess some patches for babel and german are needed.

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: How to use PostScript font

2004-08-23 Thread Hans Hagen Outside
Hi Patrick,
Yes, but what is the problem? We are not talking about other fonts,
just the ones preinstalled by psnfss. We know ervery bit of those
fonts, so no need to reflect the spacing etc. in the filename, since
e.g. phvr8t will always have the same characteristics thougout all
distributions. 

 

that's fine for those who use ec fonts, but i happen not to use them (we 
started using texnansi a long time ago; i'm not even sure if ec was 
around that time, and i definitely didn't have access to metrics then)

say that i want to mix polish and german (using qx and ec encoding) in
one doc, i want similar spacing etc, don't i?
   

Right, but qx isn't supplied by psnfss anyway, is it? So you'd have
to make your own font; but I still can't see the drawback in using
those fonts for 99% of [texts covered by ec encoding]. I can agree on
 

well, (other thread), this is why we need an encoding with 'as many 
characters as possible' which means, no funny characters like copyright 
and registered and such  (which spoils slots)  -)

don't mix fontinst installed fonts with afm2... installed fonts when
you need same em width (and alike). But for most texts I bet that
this is not an issue.
 

probably,  so, i have no problems with everyone except me using ec and 
psnfss fonts; and indeed i don't want to mix systems (most of the 
documents i process here use commercial fonts and for those i depend on 
my own font hackery; it simply does not pay off to spent much time on 
figuring out fontinst for that, apart from the fact that i lost track of 
font names long ago -)   

Absolutely. The choose the adobe metrics from psnfss, but as I am
told the URW metrics have somewhat questionable kerning data. And
using URW metrics with Adobe fonts will break on glyphs that are in
URW but not Adobe.
 

right, and that's why i use the urw metrics with urw files (i always 
embed those files, since i don't want operating systems/acrobat/printers 
to swap in their own substitutes and clones); when i use for instance 
palatino from adobe  or linotype, I just generate new metric files.

That is really good. Let me see what I can do with respect to
psnfss/texnansi...
 

ok; btw, also take a look at sieps afm2pl since it has some other nice features 

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: How to use PostScript font

2004-08-23 Thread Hans Hagen Outside
Salman Khilji wrote:
I found out that while trying to install the latest ConTeXt over whatever came 
with texlive2003-inst-20030928.iso, I screwed up somewhere and ConTeXt would 
not even generate me a pdf file with cmr fonts.

So here is what I did.
1) I deleted everything about TeX from my system
2) Installed TeXLive from the iso with default options.  I did not change 
anything.  Just accepted the defaults.
3) I did not install the latest ConTeXt.  I think I will be fine with whatever 
comes with TeXLive as of Sept, 2003.
4) Now I can generate a hello world pdf file with cmr fonts just fine.
 

an alternative is: 

mkdir /usr/local/mytex 
cd /usr/local/mytex 
wget http://www.pragma-ade.com/contextt/linuxtex.zip.bz2 
bunzip2 linuxtex.zip.bz2
unzip linuxtex 
chmod -R 755 
. setuptex /usr/local/mytex
mktexlsr 
texexec --make --alone --all

every time after that 

. /usr/local/setuptex /usr/local/setuptex 

should give you a minimal context tree (i develop on a windows machine, so that is the tree we use on the linux application servers) 

(take a look at cont-sys.tex to see how we set up our context) 

(there is also mswintex.zip.bz2 and macosxtex.zip.bz2) 

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: How to use PostScript font

2004-08-21 Thread Salman Khilji
On Friday 20 August 2004 09:40 am, Patrick Gundlach wrote:


 So [EMAIL PROTECTED] should report again.



Still no luck!!! :-(

Okay, so I got really upset with teTeX so I decided to get rid of it.  Earlier 
I said that I was using Fedora Core 2.  Now I am sitting on a SuSE 8.0 Pro 
machine.  I did the following:

1)  Uninstalled whatever TeX came with SuSE
2)  Downloaded and installed from texlive2003-inst-20030928.iso
3)  I chose not to install latex.  Just context and pdftex alongwith whatever 
texlive said about anything being essential files
4)  Next I wiped off whatever ConTeXt came with texlive and followed 
instructions on this page:

http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/context-help.html

to install the latest ConTeXt from pragma website.

5) Then I found that adobekb.tex was still NOT installed on my system---yes 
the latest ConTeXt from pragma-ade still does not have adobekb.tex.  But as 
Hans suggested, I do have the file type-akb.tex.  As Patrick suggested, I 
downloaded and installed adobekb.tex in the TeX tree.

6)  So after all this, I try both type-akb and adobekb and the palatino font 
still refuses to cooperate.

Here are the errors that I am getting:

With this:

\usetypescript[berry][ec] % or [8r]
\usetypescript[palatino][ec] %
\setupbodyfont[palatino]
\starttext
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
\stoptext

gives me the following:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Softdev texexec --pdf paltest

 TeXExec 4.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2003

executable : pdfetex
format : cont-en
 inputfile : paltest
output : pdftex
 interface : en
  current mode : none
   TeX run : 1

This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.11a-2.1 (Web2C 7.5.2)
 \write18 enabled.
 %-line parsing enabled.
 (/usr/TeX/texmf/web2c/natural.tcx)
entering extended mode
(./paltest.tex{/usr/TeX/texmf-var/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

ConTeXt  ver: 2004.8.15  fmt: 2004.8.21  int: english  mes: english

language   : language en is active
protectionstate 0
system : cont-new loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems: beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
color  : palette rollover is available
system (E-TEX) : [line 567]
system (E-TEX) : [line 622]
)
system : cont-old loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading: Context Old Macros
)
system : cont-fil loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading: Context File Synonyms
)
system : cont-sys loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/user/cont-sys.tex)
bodyfont   : 12pt rm is loaded
kpathsea: Running mktextfm msam7
mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; 
input msam7
This is METAFONT, Version 2.71828 (Web2C 7.5.2)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/web2c/cp8bit.tcx)

kpathsea: Running mktexmf msam7
! I can't find file `msam7'.
* ...e:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input msam7

Please type another input file name
! Emergency stop.
* ...e:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input msam7

Transcript written on mfput.log.
mktextfm: `mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input 
msam7' failed.
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.
! Font \*7ptmmma*=msam7 at 7.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not found.
to be read again
   \relax
\xxdododefinefont ...tspec {#4}\newfontidentifier
  \let 
\localrelativefontsiz...

\dodosetmathfamilyA ...amily \fontsize \endcsname
  \else \ifcsname \fontbody 
...

\dosetmathfamily ...athfamily \scriptscriptfont #1
  \let \fontbody 
#3\dodosetm...
inserted text ...\scriptscriptface \c!ma \empty
  \dosetmathfamily \mbfam 
\t...

\synchronizemath ...athfonts \the \mathstrategies
  \fam \mrfam \fi
...
l.1
\usetypescript[berry][ec] % or [8r]
?







And this:

\usetypescript[type-akb][ec] %or whatever your encoding is
\setupbodyfont[pos]
\starttext
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
\stoptext


gives me the following:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Softdev texexec --pdf paltest

 TeXExec 4.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2003

executable : pdfetex
format : cont-en
 inputfile : paltest
output : pdftex
 interface : en
  current mode : none
   TeX run : 1

This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.11a-2.1 (Web2C 7.5.2)
 \write18 enabled.
 %-line parsing enabled.
 (/usr/TeX/texmf/web2c/natural.tcx)
entering extended mode
(./paltest.tex{/usr/TeX/texmf-var/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

ConTeXt  ver: 2004.8.15  fmt: 2004.8.21  int: english  mes: english

language   : language en is active
protectionstate 0
system : cont-new loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex

Re: [NTG-context] Re: How to use PostScript font

2004-08-21 Thread Salman Khilji
I found out that while trying to install the latest ConTeXt over whatever came 
with texlive2003-inst-20030928.iso, I screwed up somewhere and ConTeXt would 
not even generate me a pdf file with cmr fonts.

So here is what I did.

1) I deleted everything about TeX from my system
2) Installed TeXLive from the iso with default options.  I did not change 
anything.  Just accepted the defaults.
3) I did not install the latest ConTeXt.  I think I will be fine with whatever 
comes with TeXLive as of Sept, 2003.
4) Now I can generate a hello world pdf file with cmr fonts just fine.
5) Yes, I do have the type-akb.tex on my system.
6) On the following:

\usetypescriptfile[type-akb]
\usetypescript[palatino][\defaultencoding]
\setupbodyfont[palatino,12pt]
\starttext
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
\stoptext


I get the following errors:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Softdev texexec --pdf paltest

 TeXExec 4.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2003

executable : pdfetex
format : cont-en
 inputfile : paltest
output : pdftex
 interface : en
  current mode : none
   TeX run : 1

This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.11a-2.1 (Web2C 7.5.2)
 %-line parsing enabled.
 (/usr/TeX/texmf/web2c/cp8bit.tcx)
entering extended mode
(./paltest.tex{/usr/TeX/texmf-var/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

ConTeXt  ver: 2003.9.25  fmt: 2004.8.21  int: english  mes: english

language   : language en is active
protectionstate 0
system : cont-new loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems: beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
)
system : cont-old loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading: Context Old Macros
)
system : cont-fil loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading: Context File Synonyms
)
bodyfont   : 12pt rm is loaded
language   : patterns 2:2-en-2 3:2-uk-2 4:2-de-2 5:2-fr-2 6:2-es-2 
7:2-it-2
 8:2-nl-2 loaded
specials   : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
system : paltest.top loaded
(./paltest.top
specials   : loading definition file tpd
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex
specials   : loading definition file fdf
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex unprotect 3 unprotect 4
system (E-TEX) : [line 1907] \ifcsname
protect 4 protect 3)
specials   : fdf loaded
unprotect 3 protect 3)
specials   : fdf,tpd loaded
)
pdftex : needs map file: original-context-symbol.map
pdftex : needs map file: pl0-ams-cmr.map
pdftex : needs map file: original-vogel-symbol.map
fonts  : [palatino] [ec] []
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex
fonts  : [palatino] [rm] [serif] [palatino]
fonts  : [map] [ec] []
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex
pdftex : needs map file: original-ams-cmr.map
pdftex : needs map file: original-ams-euler.map
pdftex : needs map file: ec-adobe-utopia.map
pdftex : needs map file: ec-bit-charter.map
pdftex : needs map file: ec-public-antp.map
pdftex : needs map file: ec-public-antt.map
pdftex : needs map file: ec-urw-bookman.map
pdftex : needs map file: ec-urw-courier.map
pdftex : needs map file: ec-urw-helvetica.map
pdftex : needs map file: ec-urw-palatino.map
pdftex : needs map file: ec-urw-times.map
pdftex : needs map file: ec-urw-zapfchan.map
pdftex : needs map file: original-youngryu-px.map
pdftex : needs map file: original-youngryu-tx.map
pdftex : needs map file: ec-bh-lucida.map
pdftex : needs map file: fourier.map
pdftex : needs map file: fourier-utopia-expert.map
) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex)
fonts  : [serif] [palatino] [name,default,ec,special]
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex)
fonts  : [serif] [default] [size]
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)

Re: [NTG-context] Re: How to use PostScript font (SOLVED)

2004-08-21 Thread Salman Khilji
Okay.  Problem solved.  The thing is that I did not ask the texlive 
distribution to install the extra fonts package.  The palatino fonts were 
part of the extra fonts. 

Now I have another question.  It seems like \setupbodyfont[palatino] produces 
different results than \setupbodyfont[ppl].
The former tries to use palatino in all the variations in the following 
example.  The palatino fonts seems to be missing the serif variant, so the 
\ss and the normal lines look the same---i.e ConTeXt decided to use the same 
roman variant for both the \rm and the \ss line.  Even the equation uses some 
sort of postscript font that I am not familiar with.

The latter---\setupbodyfont[ppl]---is not very forceful---it uses palatino in 
the \rm, \em, and \sl lines.  Everywhere else the CMR font is used.

What causes this behavior?


\usetypescript[berry][ec] % or [8r]
\usetypescript[palatino][ec] %
\setupbodyfont[palatino]
%\setupbodyfont[ppl]

\starttext

{\rm The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. 1234567890}

{\em The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. 1234567890}

{\sl The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. 1234567890}

{\ss The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. 1234567890}

{\bf The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. 1234567890}

{\tt The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. 1234567890}

$$1+\sqrt{x^2}+\sum dx$$

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: How to use PostScript font

2004-08-20 Thread Hans Hagen
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
And the argument about being too LaTeXy: the encoding of these files
is not LaTeX specific (besides from the fact that LaTeX can only
handle T1/OT1 encoding right), so what is not generic about them?
 

if you run afm2tfm on some files you get different results that the 'handcrafted' ones that come with distributions; (afm2pl for instance defaults to different metrics [esp spacing] than afm2tfm); 

many of these things are not really documented and done by people who use latex and know about latex internals (for instance how they deal with spacing); 

concerning generic ... when discussing the fact that some files were not present or zipped with some people at a tex conference (in de) one of contributers remarked why should they be there, since everyone uses latex and the stuff i make and no one is supposed to generate metrics) 

similar things are true for patterns: they are supposed to be generic, but for instance the czech patterns (on tl2003) simply quit when not used in latex. Other changes take place as well, like changes in names of files, and if someone changes a name and then patches some latex source file, users won't notice; when such things are not communicated,  'generic' users end up with a non working system; 

i think that the amount of real generic stuff out there is much smaller than people think (for instance bibtex files that have latex commands in 
entries) 

concerning fonts: if you want texnansi encoding, there are in most cases no tfm files etc. They are mentioned here and there, but often not on the system. It took me a while to find out that -because of that- i could not use precoockes metrics at all -) 

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: How to use PostScript font

2004-08-20 Thread Hans Hagen
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
Yes, but you stated that different metrics, different subpaths, urw
instances either or not present. Different metrics? I can't see any
differences in metrics between differnent distributions on those
fonts! Can you? They come from one source, i.e psnfss. Different
subpaths? Perhaps, but what is the problem? Kpathsea is taking care of
this. URW or not to URW? Good question, lets get started on this
subject :-)) If we accept that there is such thing as psnfss, which
is preinstalled on almost all TeX systems out there, we can let the
user decide: use psnfss-metrics or the ones generated by $TOOL. And
I can't see any problems with the spacing with those fonts being too
LaTeX related. We should be happy about those fonts, since we get
good fonts (in terms of encodings/spacing/finetuning) for free from
the LaTeX side.
 

sure, and anyone is free to use what he/she wants; but ... my main 
problem is that i want to *know* what i use; recently i generated a set 
of metrics files using afm2pl which defaults to the ps* defaults and 
since a different spacing and emwidth metrics are used i got strange 
incompatible typeset results; (afm2pl now has a afm2tfm compatibility 
switch); there have been many discussions on how well for instance adobe 
metrics (the standard 35, present in printers, but they may differ over 
time and per platform) match urw's (on tex live, used when embedded) 
[nelson beebe has done quite some research on that]. One problem with 
all those fonts is that they have characteristics that are not reflected 
in the filename (take for instance the slant), emwidth, spacing, etc. 
The later may differ from the ones specified in the afm file. (actually, 
setting those probably makes more sense in tex itself, font dimens and 
such; if i have time i'll look into that: psfnss files with overloaded 
font dimens -) Imagine what would happen if protruding and hz was 
defined in fonts -)

say that i want to mix polish and german (using qx and ec encoding) in 
one doc, i want similar spacing etc, don't i?

concerning the akb file, that's more related to wanting to use adobe 
related metrics

You are right that there are many other things being to LaTeX related.
The situation is getting much better. A few years ago the distributions
only knew about LaTeX. I had major problems with old tetex (memory
problems for example), now most things work out of the box. 
 

let's hope it stays that way; e.g. context uses one format name for all 
engines, and until now could distinguish on suffix (fmt,efmt,ofmt) but 
web2c/tds now uses one suffix (fmt) and $engine subpath; but not all 
distributions will follow that spec, so context users who use pdfetex 
alongside aleph are worse off (well, texexec can be configured to use 
the web2c/$engine subpath: --engine of in texexec.ini)

another everlasting issue is 8 bit in - 8 bit out (which is now solved 
by context always loading natural.tcx)

that only leaves fonts, patterns, encoding vectors (yes they sometimes 
change, and there can be duplicates in the tree -)

encoding, there are in most cases no tfm files etc. They are
mentioned here and there, but often not on the system. It took me a
while to find out that -because of that- i could not use precoockes
metrics at all -)
   

Who needs texnansi anyway? (OK, perhaps there are few who really need
texnansi :-), but we might aks Mr. psnfss to generate texnansi metrics as
well). 
 

we've always used them, probably before ec was around  -)
actually, the nice thing about afm2pl is that it creates texnansi metric files avoiding virtual fonts. 

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: How to use PostScript font

2004-08-20 Thread Hans Hagen
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
Hello Hans,
[...]
 

but type-akb.tex should be there ...
\usetypescriptfile[type-akb]
   

Hmm, shouldn't \usetypescript[adobekb][..] be enough to load the file?
I have just deleted my tetex 2 installation, so I can't verify. type-akb.tex
didn't get loaded with fedora linux that the person (whatever his
name is) used so it is either not available or one has to use the
right magic to load.
 

just to make sure: type-akb is on your system isn't it? (or did i mess up the distribution ?) 

Hans 

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: How to use PostScript font

2004-08-19 Thread Hans Hagen
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
Hi,
[...]
 

I also tried:
   

\usetypescript[adobekb][\defaultencoding]
 

\usetypescript[palatino][\defaultencoding]
\setupbodyfont[palatino,12pt]
   

Patrick
 

Concerning those fonts, there are differences between distributions: 
different metrics, different subpaths, urw instances either or not 
present; i got the feeling that sometimes fixes/changes take place when 
a font contributer finds out that his/her system does not work thereby 
breaking other things); unfortunately much of those pieces of 
distributions are dictated by what latex wants to see instead of being 
generic

(one reason why i always generate metrics myself, although i found out 
that on the current tex live some of the files needed for that are not 
present of in different paths, so watch your logs -)

Hans
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