Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-28 Thread Yue Wang
There is a context reference project, you can help to document it~ On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Alan Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you, or somebody else, know of any such other basic and precious documents which should be included in the main manual, instead of (for whatever reason)

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-28 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
There is a context reference project, you can help to document it~ I concur. This would be immensely more useful than contributing huge threads and smart-arse remarks to this mailing-list (I especially like the irony of your -- Alan's -- complaints about wasting [your] precious time).

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-28 Thread Alan Stone
Hi Arthur, I would sooner have you hate me for telling the truth than adore me for telling lies. - Pietro Aretino As for the invitation to the reference project, thanks a lot. I have some work to finish first, then will have some free time to gladly contribute. Wishing you a nice day ( no

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Alan Stone
Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and bottomheight? 1. http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080812.135630.04ad74e5.en.html 2. From observation: see \showsetups output (right column) This part of ConTeXt and/or the instructional resources somehow got so polluted

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Alan Stone
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and bottomheight? Perhaps you wanted \setuppapersize[S6][S6] \showframe \showsetups \setuplayout[topspace=15pt, header=15pt, height=middle,

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Hans Hagen
Alan Stone wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and bottomheight? Perhaps you wanted \setuppapersize[S6][S6] \showframe \showsetups move the previous line \setuplayout[topspace=15pt,

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Alan Stone
Going back to my example (see below)... Same observations, same questions. Alan \setuppapersize[S6][S6] \setuplayout[topheight=15pt, headerheight=15pt, footerheight=15pt, bottomheight=15pt, leftedgewidth=0pt, leftmarginwidth=0pt, rightmarginwidth=0pt,

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Hans Hagen
Alan Stone wrote: Going back to my example (see below)... Same observations, same questions. Alan \setuppapersize[S6][S6] \setuplayout[topheight=15pt, headerheight=15pt, footerheight=15pt, bottomheight=15pt, top,header,footer,bottom etc no height/width appended

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Alan Stone wrote: Going back to my example (see below)... Same observations, same questions. The names and values reported by showsetups are not 1-to-1 to the arguments of \setuplayout. If you want to know what you can use in \setuplayout, use any of the manuals, or texshow:

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Alan Stone
That said, it is a little confusing that the table from \showsetups doesn't match up ... A little ??? Alan On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Stone wrote: Going back to my example (see below)... Same observations, same questions. The names

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Hans Hagen
Alan Stone wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Stone wrote: Going back to my example (see below)... Same observations, same questions. Alan \setuppapersize[S6][S6] \setuplayout[topheight=15pt, headerheight=15pt, footerheight=15pt,

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Alan Stone
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Stone wrote: Going back to my example (see below)... Same observations, same questions. Alan \setuppapersize[S6][S6] \setuplayout[topheight=15pt, headerheight=15pt, footerheight=15pt,

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Alan Stone
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Stone wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Stone wrote: Going back to my example (see below)... Same observations, same questions. Alan

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Hans Hagen
Alan Stone wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Stone wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Stone wrote: Going back to my example (see below)... Same observations, same questions. Alan

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Alan Stone wrote: CanItBeAnyMoreConfusingText ? From left to right, you have: (left)edge (left)edgedistance (left)margin (left)margindistance width (right)margindistance (right)margin (right)edgedistance (right)edge The location of all this on the paper is defined

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Alan Stone
Thanks Taco. I am somewhat confused myself as to why this is generally considered to be so confusing. What's most confusing are the: - wiki layout explanation at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout - \showsetups output - excursion manual, table 33.2 page 74 - main manual page 24 -

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Alan Stone
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: indeed, you have to see these dimensions outwards (so, margindistance, margin, edgedistance, edge ... these extend into the backspace or cutspace depending on left/right) Ahaa. I'm beginning to understand. Meanwhile found

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hi, Meanwhile found the underneath document, which seems to be the most corresponding ( though incomplete compared to pg 24 of the main manual ) Shows a page layout in half size http://levana.de/context/layout/testlay.pdf made with http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-layout Patrick --

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-27 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Alan Stone wrote: - \showsetups output The \setuplayout parameters are in column one, the query-ing macros are in column four. These are correct. Good to finally know what corresponds to what. It might be useful to put a label mentioning these at the top of both columns. What do you

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-26 Thread Peter Rolf
Alan Stone schrieb: Hi, Taking S6 = 600pt wide x 450pt heigh for example... \setuppapersize[S6][S6] \showframe \showsetups \setuplayout[topheight=15pt, headerheight=15pt, footerheight=15pt, bottomheight=15pt, leftedgewidth=0pt, leftmarginwidth=0pt,

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-26 Thread Alan Stone
Hi Peter, I meant the showframe and showsetups displays on the pdf document itself, not the document paper printout. Best, Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-26 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Alan Stone wrote: Hi, Taking S6 = 600pt wide x 450pt heigh for example... \setuppapersize[S6][S6] \showframe \showsetups \setuplayout[topheight=15pt, headerheight=15pt, footerheight=15pt, bottomheight=15pt, leftedgewidth=0pt, leftmarginwidth=0pt,

Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

2008-08-26 Thread Peter Rolf
Alan Stone schrieb: Hi Peter, I meant the showframe and showsetups displays on the pdf document itself, not the document paper printout. oeps, sorry :) you simply use some wrong parameter here (names of internal dimensions). e.g. use 'footer=15pt' instead of 'footerheight=15pt'. best