Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX old style numerals
I ought to mention small caps doesn't work with the last approach. Wolfgang Schuster wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Mohamed Bana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So ... can someone provide a sample file of a document that uses old style by default? Clearly the following doesn't work; The fast way (works only for MkII): \definefontfeature[default][deault][script=latn,onum=yes] \definetypeface[myface][rm][Xserif][Minion Pro] % i've also tried %\definetypeface[myface][rm][Xserif][Warnock Pro] \definetypeface[myface][ss][Xsans][Myriad Pro] \definetypeface[myface][tt][Xmono][Consolas] \setupbodyfont[myface, 11pt] The better way (works for MkII and MkIV): \starttypescript [serif] [minion-pro] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym [Serif] [MinionPro-Regular] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [MinionPro-Bold] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [MinionPro-Italic] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [MinionPro-BoldItalic] [features=default] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [serif] [minion-pro-os] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym [Serif] [MinionPro-Regular] [features=oldstyle] \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [MinionPro-Bold] [features=oldstyle] \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [MinionPro-Italic] [features=oldstyle] \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [MinionPro-BoldItalic] [features=oldstyle] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [serif] [minion-pro,minion-pro-os] \definefontsynonym [MinionPro-Regular][file:MinionPro-Regular] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [MinionPro-Bold] [file:MinionPro-Bold] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [MinionPro-Italic] [file:MinionPro-It] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [MinionPro-BoldItalic] [file:MinionPro-BoldIt] [features=default] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [minion-pro,minion-pro-os] \definetypeface [minion-pro] [rm] [serif] [\typescriptone] [default] \stoptypescript %\usetypescript[minion-pro] \usetypescript[minion-pro-os] \setupbodyfont[minion-pro] Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX old style numerals
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Jeff Smith wrote: \definefontfeature[bodyfeatures][method=node,script=latn,language=dflt,liga=yes,onum=yes,kern=yes,trep=yes,dlig=yes] I get the onum and dlig working with this, but, like I said, the trep doesn't work. If I am not mistaken, it's this feature that makes the apostrophe look like the comma. Am I right? Short answer: tlig, not trep. Long answer: See the folder fonts/misc/xetex/fontmapping. Hans invented tlig and trep as a short word for tex ligatures and tex replacements. That's still a bit unstable area of ConTeXt, but at the beginning it indeed included all the replacements and all the ligatures of Knuthian TeX. But that was too much for my taste (many useless conversions like `?, `! and all the quotation marks, as well as some really nasty ones as a side effect: it kept converting grave accent into quotation mark for example). With some consensus we decided to keep only three of them: endash, emdash and apostrophe. In LuaTeX these might still be split (tlig for endash and emdash and trep for apostrophe). In XeTeX it seemed to much overhaul to split three replacements into (three :) files, so I made only a single one: tlig.[map|tec] You can use it as mapping=tlig in plain XeTeX. What ConTeXt does is a conversion from tlig=yes into mapping=tlig. trep used to map to tex-text (so did tlig) a while ago, now I guess that it doesn't do anything at all. I find it a bit unlucky situation that the behaviour is a bit different, but introducing a new file trep.map with only a single replacement would be even more weird confusing to me. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX old style numerals
Thank you Mojca for this quick reply! I didn't expect one right away, so I'm glad I'm not the only one not wanting to leave ConTeXt aside even during the weekend. ;-) So tlig it is. Thanks again! Jeff On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 17:56, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Jeff Smith wrote: \definefontfeature[bodyfeatures][method=node,script=latn,language=dflt,liga=yes,onum=yes,kern=yes,trep=yes,dlig=yes] I get the onum and dlig working with this, but, like I said, the trep doesn't work. If I am not mistaken, it's this feature that makes the apostrophe look like the comma. Am I right? Short answer: tlig, not trep. Long answer: See the folder fonts/misc/xetex/fontmapping. Hans invented tlig and trep as a short word for tex ligatures and tex replacements. That's still a bit unstable area of ConTeXt, but at the beginning it indeed included all the replacements and all the ligatures of Knuthian TeX. But that was too much for my taste (many useless conversions like `?, `! and all the quotation marks, as well as some really nasty ones as a side effect: it kept converting grave accent into quotation mark for example). With some consensus we decided to keep only three of them: endash, emdash and apostrophe. In LuaTeX these might still be split (tlig for endash and emdash and trep for apostrophe). In XeTeX it seemed to much overhaul to split three replacements into (three :) files, so I made only a single one: tlig.[map|tec] You can use it as mapping=tlig in plain XeTeX. What ConTeXt does is a conversion from tlig=yes into mapping=tlig. trep used to map to tex-text (so did tlig) a while ago, now I guess that it doesn't do anything at all. I find it a bit unlucky situation that the behaviour is a bit different, but introducing a new file trep.map with only a single replacement would be even more weird confusing to me. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX old style numerals
So ... can someone provide a sample file of a document that uses old
style by default?
Clearly the following doesn't work;
\definetypeface[myface][rm][Xserif][Minion Pro]
% i've also tried
%\definetypeface[myface][rm][Xserif][Warnock Pro]
\definetypeface[myface][ss][Xsans][Myriad Pro]
\definetypeface[myface][tt][Xmono][Consolas]
\setupbodyfont[myface, 11pt]
Thanks
Hans Hagen wrote:
Mohamed Bana wrote:
Mojca Miklavec wrote:
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Mohamed Bana wrote:
Hi guys,
Why doesn't this definition use the old style numerals that come with the
font?
It seems to use the latin modern font when I try to use \os. Small caps
are
working fine.
\os is kind of special because it's related to the fact that good old
tex and the cm fonts have oldstyles in some math font and therefore some
effort is needed to use it in text
we might consider mapping \os to something
\def\os{\groupedcommand{\setfontfeature{oldstyle}}{}}
which in mkiv will make
1234567890 {\os 1234567890} 1234567890
work
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Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX old style numerals
Yue Wang wrote: The problem is that that's only a dirty trick that is not supposed to work and might stop working in the future, so I would rather try not to rely on it. A better interface for XeTeX typescripts (something similar to fontspec) is missing heavily. I prefer use opentype features than add some non-standard definition like fontspec. i have no clue what you mean here so I dont think fontspec do a good job. You can always use \definefontfeature [myfontfeatures] [script=latn,language=dflt,liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,onum=yes, =yes, =yes] \definefontfeature [oldstyle] [script=latn,language=dflt,liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,onum=yes] \definefontfeature [myoldstyle] [oldstyle] [=yes,=yes] \definefontsynonym[a font name][a physical font][features=myoldstyle] - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX old style numerals
Mohamed Bana wrote:
Mojca Miklavec wrote:
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Mohamed Bana wrote:
Hi guys,
Why doesn't this definition use the old style numerals that come with the
font?
It seems to use the latin modern font when I try to use \os. Small caps
are
working fine.
\os is kind of special because it's related to the fact that good old
tex and the cm fonts have oldstyles in some math font and therefore some
effort is needed to use it in text
we might consider mapping \os to something
\def\os{\groupedcommand{\setfontfeature{oldstyle}}{}}
which in mkiv will make
1234567890 {\os 1234567890} 1234567890
work
-
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Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX old style numerals
The problem is that that's only a dirty trick that is not supposed to work and might stop working in the future, so I would rather try not to rely on it. A better interface for XeTeX typescripts (something similar to fontspec) is missing heavily. I prefer use opentype features than add some non-standard definition like fontspec. so I dont think fontspec do a good job. You can always use \definefontfeature [myfontfeatures] [script=latn,language=dflt,liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,onum=yes, =yes, =yes] \definefontsynonym[a font name][a physical font][features=myfontfeatures] in LuaTeX and XeTeX. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX old style numerals
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Mohamed Bana wrote:
Hi guys,
Why doesn't this definition use the old style numerals that come with the
font?
It seems to use the latin modern font when I try to use \os. Small caps are
working fine.
I'd like all the numbers in the document to be typeset in old style numerals
unless I tell it otherwise, btw how do I achieve the latter?
I didn't tell you that:
\definefontfeature
[default]
[script=latn,language=dflt,liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,onum=yes]
(the important setting is only onum=yes)
The problem is that that's only a dirty trick that is not supposed to
work and might stop working in the future, so I would rather try not
to rely on it. A better interface for XeTeX typescripts (something
similar to fontspec) is missing heavily.
Concerning your first problem: I have tried patching Xsans definitions with
\definefontfeature
[oldstyle]
[script=latn,language=dflt,liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,onum=yes]
\starttypescript[Xserif][all][name]
\definefontsynonym [DummyOldStyle] [name:\typescripttwo] [features=oldstyle]
%\definefontsynonym [DummyOldStyle] [name:'\typescripttwo']
[features=oldstyle]
\definefontsynonym [OldStyle] [DummyOldStyle]
\stoptypescript
\definetypeface[myface][rm][Xserif][Warnock Pro]
\setupbodyfont[myface, 11pt]
\starttext
{\os 123456789}
\stoptext
but I have no idea why it fails.
kpathsea: Invalid fontname `name:Warnock', contains ':'
! Font \thedefinedfont=name:Warnock not loadable: Metric (TFM) file or installe
d font not found.
to be read again
P
argument name:Warnock P
ro
\dotruefontname ... #1\endcsname *#2#3\fi \else #1
\ifx #2\empty \else *#2#3\...
\dotruefontname ... \??ff \fontclass #1\endcsname
\else [EMAIL PROTECTED]
\redotruefontna...
\dotruefontname ... \??ff \fontclass #1\endcsname
\else [EMAIL PROTECTED]
\redotruefontna...
\symbolicsizedfont ...ntname {\glyphfontfile {#3}}
at \currentfontbodyscale ...
l.32 {\os
123456789}
The alternative fails with
kpathsea: Invalid fontname `name:Warnock Pro*oldstyle', contains ':'
! Font \thedefinedfont=name:Warnock Pro*oldstyle at 11.0pt not loadable: Metr
ic (TFM) file or installed font not found.
recently read \scaledfont
\symbolicsizedfont ...ntfontbodyscale \scaledfont
\thedefinedfont
l.32 {\os
123456789}
Mojca
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