Re: [NTG-context] bib problems

2010-12-10 Thread Matija Šuklje
Dne sreda 8. decembra 2010 ob 10:08:19 je Robert Blackstone napisal(a):
 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM,  Mojca Miklavec
 
 mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote:
  Send ntg-context mailing list submissions to
  
  I have a tiny feature request.
  
  I would like to have a separate bibliography for, say, list of
  figures. Basically all I ask for is the ability to have a separate
  named bibliography as opposed to a single list.
 
 I too would be very happy with the possibility to produce a
 Bibliography with various sections.

+1 on that.

I would need to separate it by type of medium — monographies, articles, links 
etc.


Cheers,
Matija

-- 
gsm:+386 41 849 552
www:http://matija.suklje.name
xmpp:   matija.suk...@gabbler.org


signature.asc
Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___


Re: [NTG-context] bib problems

2010-12-10 Thread Florian Wobbe
On Dec 7, 2010, at 15:26 , Mojca Miklavec wrote:

 I have a tiny feature request.
 
 I would like to have a separate bibliography for, say, list of
 figures. Basically all I ask for is the ability to have a separate
 named bibliography as opposed to a single list.

Hi,

I would also like to support the ability to put an arbitrary number of 
reference lists in different locations inside one document. I once had a report 
that had individual reference lists at the end of several sections.

I'm not sure about the best way of implementing this. E.g. how do I select 
which publications are in which list. One could define a special key as 
suggested by Hans, or select by existing BibTeX keys like author, year, 
publisher etc. Another possibility would be to put all references which are in 
a specific bib-file in one list (when you have multiple bib-files).

Also, as a feature request/bug report I repeat an earlier message:

In BibTeX databases ranges of numbers are usually listed with a single dash 
(e.g. 3-7) for compatibility reasons. Therefore the standard BibTeX styles 
convert a single dash in page numbers or range of numbers to a double dash 
(3--7). It would be great to have this functionality for \volume \issue \pages 
in context as well.

Thanks!
Florian

___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___


Re: [NTG-context] bib problems

2010-12-10 Thread Thomas Schmitz

On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:47:09 +0100
 Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name wrote:
Dne sreda 8. decembra 2010 ob 10:08:19 je Robert 
Blackstone napisal(a):

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM,  Mojca Miklavec

mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote:



 I have a tiny feature request.
 
 I would like to have a separate bibliography for, 
say, list of
 figures. Basically all I ask for is the ability to 
have a separate

 named bibliography as opposed to a single list.

I too would be very happy with the possibility to 
produce a

Bibliography with various sections.


+1 on that.

I would need to separate it by type of medium — 
monographies, articles, links 
etc.


This is not a bug report, so I won't include it in my test 
files, but just to comment on this: for a project I'm 
doing with ConTeXt, I will need to the ability to have a 
bibliography with several sections. I've discussed this 
with Hans, and he will write code to support filtering by 
keywords. We haven't yet discussed the interface etc., but 
this is something that will come in the spring at the very 
latest. Mojca, this is not the same as your original 
suggestion, but this looks like it would take care of the 
two +1 messages, right?


Thomas
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___


Re: [NTG-context] bib problems

2010-12-10 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 16:01, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
 On 7-12-2010 3:26, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

 I have a tiny feature request.

 I would like to have a separate bibliography for, say, list of
 figures. Basically all I ask for is the ability to have a separate
 named bibliography as opposed to a single list.

 no big deal in mkiv i guess

 But maybe I need to elaborate a bit more before sending request. It
 makes no sense to implement it in the wrong and unstatisfactory way.

  Just to mention it before I forget.

 so how would that look at the input end? an extra key?

I should think about it a bit. But just a few possibilities ... At the
moment I use:
\startpublication
  [k=xy,
   t=xy]
  
\stoppublication

Options are:

1.)
\startpublicationlist[images] or \startpublications[images] or ...
\startpublication[k=xy,t=xy]
  
\stoppublication
...
\stoppublicationlist

2.)
\startpublication[k=xy,t=xy,list=images]
  
\stoppublication

3.)
\startpublication[images][k=xy,t=xy]
  
\stoppublication

And then
\placepublications[list=images]

Then \cite would work in exactly the same way (one would not need to
provide any extra key to cite itself).

But one would need to think of a proper model to number the
references. That is: it would have to be configurable to be able to
either number images with roman instead of arabic numerals (or with a,
b, c, ...), or to prepend something, like [img1], [img2], [img3]
instead of [1], [2], [3]. Or simply let the user do in
\cite{figure}[xy], or to number images with numbers bigger than other
references. For example:

Books:
[1]
[2]
[3]
Articles:
[4]
[5]
[6]
[7]
Images:
[8]
[9]

or

Books:
[1]
[2]
[3]
Articles:
[a1]
[a2]
[a3]
[a3]
Images:
[i1]
[i2]

or any other user-configurable option for numbering ...

However, having a properly designed model is better than having some
ad-hoc solution that turns out not flexible enough or clumsy to use
and buggy later on ...

And yes, something that would allow splitting references across
sections could just as well be used for this. It just needs to be
designed properly ... (But section-based bibliography could work
without any extra key, right?)

And no, please don't count it as bug report. I just mentioned it
because Hans wanted to have a big bunch of everything at a single
place.

I suggest to reopen the topic and create exact specification before
the actual implementation.

Mojca
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___


Re: [NTG-context] bib problems

2010-12-10 Thread Thomas Schmitz

On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:18:20 +0100
 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote:
I should think about it a bit. But just a few 
possibilities ... At the

moment I use:
   \startpublication
 [k=xy,
  t=xy]
 
   \stoppublication

Options are:


When we think from the bibtex side, it would boil down to 
processing the keyword= key (which is already there in 
the bibtex specification). You could then order your 
publications with terms such as keyword=image 
keyword=article etc.




1.)
\startpublicationlist[images] or 
\startpublications[images] or ...

   \startpublication[k=xy,t=xy]
 
   \stoppublication
...
\stoppublicationlist

2.)
   \startpublication[k=xy,t=xy,list=images]
 
   \stoppublication

3.)
   \startpublication[images][k=xy,t=xy]
 
   \stoppublication

And then
   \placepublications[list=images]

Then \cite would work in exactly the same way (one would 
not need to

provide any extra key to cite itself).

But one would need to think of a proper model to number 
the
references. That is: it would have to be configurable to 
be able to
either number images with roman instead of arabic 
numerals (or with a,
b, c, ...), or to prepend something, like [img1], 
[img2], [img3]

instead of [1], [2], [3]. Or simply let the user do in
\cite{figure}[xy], or to number images with numbers 
bigger than other

references. For example:

Books:
[1]
[2]
[3]
Articles:
[4]
[5]
[6]
[7]
Images:
[8]
[9]

or

Books:
[1]
[2]
[3]
Articles:
[a1]
[a2]
[a3]
[a3]
Images:
[i1]
[i2]

or any other user-configurable option for numbering ...

However, having a properly designed model is better than 
having some
ad-hoc solution that turns out not flexible enough or 
clumsy to use

and buggy later on ...


One syntax would be

\placepublications[filter=image,prefix={img.},option=continue,numberconversion=romannumbers]



And yes, something that would allow splitting references 
across
sections could just as well be used for this. It just 
needs to be
designed properly ... (But section-based bibliography 
could work

without any extra key, right?)

And no, please don't count it as bug report. I just 
mentioned it
because Hans wanted to have a big bunch of everything 
at a single

place.

I suggest to reopen the topic and create exact 
specification before

the actual implementation.


Yes, we can discuss it (on or off list) when it will be 
implemented.


Thomas
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___


Re: [NTG-context] bib problems

2010-12-08 Thread Robert Blackstone
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM,  Mojca Miklavec
mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 Send ntg-context mailing list submissions to

 I have a tiny feature request.

 I would like to have a separate bibliography for, say, list of
 figures. Basically all I ask for is the ability to have a separate
 named bibliography as opposed to a single list.

I too would be very happy with the possibility to produce a
Bibliography with various sections. In my case separate sections would
be needed for Manuscript Sources and Early printed versions, where the
data concern mostly Libraries or Museums and things like catalogue
numbers and shelf marks, and for Music (with Composer instead of
Author and the possibility to indicate the whereabouts of manuscripts
or early prints, and/or the name of the copyist).
Incidentally, there must be many others with similar wishes, for in
the past few years I have seen this topic several times on this list.

Best regards,
Robert Blackstone
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___


Re: [NTG-context] bib problems

2010-12-08 Thread Robert Blackstone
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:00 PM,  thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de wrote:

 I've begun summarizing the bibliography problems. Could you all see if your 
 particular problem is mentioned here? If I missed something, please send your 
 test files to the list or to me, please use the sample.bib which is now 
 included in the minimals, and please make the test cases as short as possible.

Hi,
I have another problem: the ELECTRONIC publication, hh2010, never gets
returned or printed, even with \placepublications[criterium=all].
I noted however that ConTeXt somehow is aware of this item since it
leaves an open space where this item should have been.
This is my test file, identical to that of example 1 except for the
addition of \cite[hh2010].

\setuppublications[state=start,refcommand=authoryear]
\setupbibtex[database=sample]

\starttext
\section{Test}
This \cite[hh2010a]

and that \cite[Eijkhout1991]

and also this one \cite[hh2010].

\section{References}
\placepublications[criterium=all]
\stoptext

Best regards,
Robert Blackstone
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___


Re: [NTG-context] bib problems

2010-12-07 Thread Mojca Miklavec
I have a tiny feature request.

I would like to have a separate bibliography for, say, list of
figures. Basically all I ask for is the ability to have a separate
named bibliography as opposed to a single list.

But maybe I need to elaborate a bit more before sending request. It
makes no sense to implement it in the wrong and unstatisfactory way.

... Just to mention it before I forget.

Mojca
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___


Re: [NTG-context] bib problems

2010-12-07 Thread Hans Hagen

On 7-12-2010 3:26, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

I have a tiny feature request.

I would like to have a separate bibliography for, say, list of
figures. Basically all I ask for is the ability to have a separate
named bibliography as opposed to a single list.


no big deal in mkiv i guess


But maybe I need to elaborate a bit more before sending request. It
makes no sense to implement it in the wrong and unstatisfactory way.

 Just to mention it before I forget.


so how would that look at the input end? an extra key?

-
  Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
  Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com
 | www.pragma-pod.nl
-
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___