Re: [NTG-context] Spacing problem around decimal point

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 3/29/2023 2:06 AM, Jim via ntg-context wrote:

Hi all,

I d/l'ed that binary, replaced the TeXlive version (which is dated March
11, even though I just updated texlive 5 minutes ago) and, lo and behold,
the PDF now looks like it should.

So from my point of view, that particular issue is resolved.

Sorry about your issues with Mac security.  I have this feeling that Apple
is slowly iterating towards a state where they sell you an expensive
computer with a beautiful acrylic and polished stainless steel stand and
ask you just to admire it, but don't touch it.  :-)
as they don't update the os after 7 year (so i could only test it on 
some ancient intel osx, maybe with less security in place) you end up 
with stacking them up to a decent steel pedestral


but, even then, one can always build the binary oneself (installing some 
dev tools + cmake worked out ok for me on that insecure 2013 machine)


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing problem around decimal point

[Jim via ntg-context]

Hi all,

I d/l'ed that binary, replaced the TeXlive version (which is dated March
11, even though I just updated texlive 5 minutes ago) and, lo and behold,
the PDF now looks like it should.

So from my point of view, that particular issue is resolved.

Sorry about your issues with Mac security.  I have this feeling that Apple
is slowly iterating towards a state where they sell you an expensive
computer with a beautiful acrylic and polished stainless steel stand and
ask you just to admire it, but don't touch it.  :-)

Jim

On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 14:56 (-0600), Gavin via ntg-context wrote:

> Hi Hans, Jim, Bruce, et.al.

> Han’s asked me

>> can you pick up a binary from:

>> https://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luametatex/work/

>> and test it?

> Maybe. I picked up the binary, but testing it is not quite as easy as it 
> might be due to the MacOS security settings. I’ll see what I can do, but I 
> know very little about Unix/Darwin.

> Since this appears to be an issue across multiple platforms, I’d welcome 
> anyone else checking the new binary. (Thanks, Günter!)

> Best,
> Gavin
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing problem around decimal point

[Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context]

> On 28 Mar 2023, at 21:56, Gavin via ntg-context  wrote:
> 
> Hi Hans, Jim, Bruce, et.al.
> 
> Han’s asked me
> 
>> can you pick up a binary from:
>> 
>> https://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luametatex/work/
>> 
>> and test it?
> 
> Maybe. I picked up the binary, but testing it is not quite as easy as it 
> might be due to the MacOS security settings. I’ll see what I can do, but I 
> know very little about Unix/Darwin.
> 
> Since this appears to be an issue across multiple platforms, I’d welcome 
> anyone else checking the new binary. (Thanks, Günter!)

The x86_64-darwinlegacy from that download link version has fixed the problem 
on the Mac. Thank-you all involved.

\starttext
\startformula
v = \frac{1.32}{1.41} = 0.935
\stopformula
\stoptext

gives the attached.
—
Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire, UK


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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing problem around decimal point

[Gavin via ntg-context]

Hi Hans, Jim, Bruce, et.al.

Han’s asked me

> can you pick up a binary from:
> 
> https://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luametatex/work/
> 
> and test it?

Maybe. I picked up the binary, but testing it is not quite as easy as it might 
be due to the MacOS security settings. I’ll see what I can do, but I know very 
little about Unix/Darwin.

Since this appears to be an issue across multiple platforms, I’d welcome anyone 
else checking the new binary. (Thanks, Günter!)

Best,
Gavin
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing problem around decimal point

[Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context]

I also get the incorrect spacing on a Mac.

system  > ConTeXt  ver: 2023.03.20 17:07 LMTX  fmt: 2023.3.22  int: 
english/english


> On 26 Mar 2023, at 22:16, Jim via ntg-context  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Regrettably, I see the same problem and Gavin.
> 
> I am using TeXlive 2023 on Slackware64 15.0, for what that is worth.
> 
> 
>Jim
> 
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 17:36 (+0200), Günter Kolousek via ntg-context wrote:
> 
> 
>> Hi,
> 
>> I can confirm that the x64_64-linux from
> 
>> https://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luametatex/work/
> 
>> version works correctly. So, no excess spaces around the
>> decimal points at all.
> 
>> HTH
>> Günter
> 
>> Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2023-03-26 13:22 +02:
> 
>>> On 3/26/2023 4:20 AM, Gavin via ntg-context wrote:
 Hi List,
 I’m getting strange spaces around some decimal points after a clean
 LMTX
 install. MWE:
 \starttext
 \startformula
 v = \frac{1.32}{1.41} = 0.935
 \stopformula
 \stoptext
 This produces the result attached below. The 1.32 looks fine, but
 the next two
 numbers have excess space around the decimal point. Adding the line
   \showmakeup[mathglue] %\mathspacingmode=1
 to the preamble reveals that the second and third decimal points are
 being
 treated as binary operators. It’s very strang. Are others getting
 this?
>>> can you pick up a binary from:
> 
>>> https://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luametatex/work/
> 
>>> and test it?
> 
>>> Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing problem around decimal point

[Jim via ntg-context]

Hi all,

Regrettably, I see the same problem and Gavin.

I am using TeXlive 2023 on Slackware64 15.0, for what that is worth.


Jim

On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 17:36 (+0200), Günter Kolousek via ntg-context wrote:


> Hi,

> I can confirm that the x64_64-linux from

> https://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luametatex/work/

> version works correctly. So, no excess spaces around the
> decimal points at all.

> HTH
> Günter

> Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2023-03-26 13:22 +02:

>> On 3/26/2023 4:20 AM, Gavin via ntg-context wrote:
>>> Hi List,
>>> I’m getting strange spaces around some decimal points after a clean
>>> LMTX
>>> install. MWE:
>>> \starttext
>>> \startformula
>>> v = \frac{1.32}{1.41} = 0.935
>>> \stopformula
>>> \stoptext
>>> This produces the result attached below. The 1.32 looks fine, but
>>> the next two
>>> numbers have excess space around the decimal point. Adding the line
>>>\showmakeup[mathglue] %\mathspacingmode=1
>>> to the preamble reveals that the second and third decimal points are
>>> being
>>> treated as binary operators. It’s very strang. Are others getting
>>> this?
>> can you pick up a binary from:

>> https://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luametatex/work/

>> and test it?

>> Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing problem around decimal point

[Günter Kolousek via ntg-context]

Hi,

I can confirm that the x64_64-linux from

 https://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luametatex/work/

version works correctly. So, no excess spaces around the
decimal points at all.

HTH
Günter

Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2023-03-26 13:22 +02:


On 3/26/2023 4:20 AM, Gavin via ntg-context wrote:

Hi List,
I’m getting strange spaces around some decimal points after a 
clean LMTX

install. MWE:
\starttext
\startformula
v = \frac{1.32}{1.41} = 0.935
\stopformula
\stoptext
This produces the result attached below. The 1.32 looks fine, 
but the next two
numbers have excess space around the decimal point. Adding the 
line

   \showmakeup[mathglue] %\mathspacingmode=1
to the preamble reveals that the second and third decimal 
points are being
treated as binary operators. It’s very strang. Are others 
getting this?

can you pick up a binary from:

https://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luametatex/work/

and test it?

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing problem around decimal point

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 3/26/2023 4:20 AM, Gavin via ntg-context wrote:

Hi List,

I’m getting strange spaces around some decimal points after a clean LMTX 
install. MWE:

\starttext
\startformula
v = \frac{1.32}{1.41} = 0.935
\stopformula
\stoptext

This produces the result attached below. The 1.32 looks fine, but the next two 
numbers have excess space around the decimal point. Adding the line

   \showmakeup[mathglue] %\mathspacingmode=1

to the preamble reveals that the second and third decimal points are being 
treated as binary operators. It’s very strang. Are others getting this?

can you pick up a binary from:

https://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luametatex/work/

and test it?

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing problem around decimal point

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 3/26/2023 4:20 AM, Gavin via ntg-context wrote:

Hi List,

I’m getting strange spaces around some decimal points after a clean LMTX 
install. MWE:

\starttext
\startformula
v = \frac{1.32}{1.41} = 0.935
\stopformula
\stoptext

This produces the result attached below. The 1.32 looks fine, but the next two 
numbers have excess space around the decimal point. Adding the line

   \showmakeup[mathglue] %\mathspacingmode=1

to the preamble reveals that the second and third decimal points are being 
treated as binary operators. It’s very strang. Are others getting this?

weird indeed

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit - SOLVED

[Gavin via ntg-context]

Hans,

I made a small mistake in the phys-dim.mkxl file I sent you. I removed a % at 
the end of lines 469 and 485. Without the %, using alternative=text causes 
extra space before the unit. A corrected phys-dim.mkxl is attached.

Gavin



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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit - SOLVED

[Gavin via ntg-context]

Hi Hans,

> I'll look into it (with Mikael as some relates to math) once you're done 
> playing and provide suggestions and tests.

I’m done playing. Below are tests and suggestions. Sorry it has taken so long 
for me to put this together.


Tests
I attached two test files. The first, units-spacing.tex, is for testing spacing 
for \unit used in text, inline math, and display math. The second, 
units-linebreaks.tex, tests line breaks when \unit. is used in text or in 
inline math. Line breaks were not my primary interest, but Max and Alan were 
quite interested. My proposed fixes for spacing also fix their concerns about 
line breaks.I tried to make these tests match the style of the Test Suite. They 
could be included there if they are useful.


Suggestions
I attached my my modified phys-dim.mkxl. All of my changes are commented and 
signed with -GP to make them easy to find. Below are comments on the five 
issues I addressed (not including line breaks). The first four of these are 
fixes.I don’t think any of these fixes are controversial or require new 
options. The fifth, regarding the space around the \times in scientific 
notation, might be an appropriate option, rather than a universal fix.


1. The \cdot in units should not have space around it.
These lines produce the \cdot between units, one is for the default \cdot, the 
other when the separator=cdot option is used. I’m not entirely sure why they 
are separate. Now, in math mode, the \cdot is changed to an ord. (ll. 392-393)

\protected\def\phys_units_separator
 
{\ifcsname\??unitseparator\unitparameter\c!separator\endcsname\lastnamedcs\else\ifmmode\mathord\cdot\else\cdot\fi\fi}
 % Made \cdot an "ord" in math mode -GP

\installunitsseparator\v!normal{\ifmmode\mathord\cdot\else\cdot\fi}  % Made 
\cdot an "ord" in math mode -GP


2. Space is needed between number and units
To get the thin space between the number and the units (ll.412-418)

\protected\def\phys_units_space
 {\ifmmode
\thinspace % let the atoms do the work. Right now atoms aren't doing the 
work, so I put in a \thinspace -GP
  \else
\unskip % weird, why is unskip needed

\ifcsname\??unitspace\unitparameter\c!space\endcsname\lastnamedcs\else\unitsmediumspace\fi
  \fi}


3. Space is needed after the units, before the next relation, binary operator, 
etc. Right now there seems to be no space added between the new dimension class 
and the relation and binary operator class. Until the space around the 
dimension class is fixed, The units should not be assigned to the dimension 
class, which means removing the code that sets units to this class. (ll. 
618-623)

\def\phys_units_start
 {\ifmmode
\dostarttagged\t!maction\t!unit
% \mathatom % I removed this because the correct spaces after dim haven't 
been set (e.g. dimbin, dimrel) -GP
%\s!leftclass  \mathdimensioncode
%\s!rightclass \mathdimensioncode
\bgroup
  \else
\dostarttagged\t!unit\empty
  \fi
  \let\phys_units_finish\phys_units_stop
  \let\phys_units_start\relax}


4. Remove hardcoded backspace before the solidus in units. (If this space 
should be tighter, it probably should be dealt with for every solidus, not just 
the solidus in \unit the unit command.) (ll.412-418)

\permanent\protected\def\unitsSOLIDUS
 {%\ifnum\c_phys_units_state=\plusone % suffix  % Removed three lines to 
eliminate backspace before / -GP
  %  \unitsbackspace
  %\fi
  {/}%
  }%\unitsbackspace}


5. I think the \times in scientific notation should not have extra space. 
Everyone who commented on the mailing list agreed. However, I’m not sure that 
this is a universal desire, so it might be good to add an options, like 
scispace=normal for the usual binop space around the \times and scispace=tight 
for no extra space around \times. The changed line in phys-dime.mkxl used to 
add space around the \times in text. Now, instead, it removes the space around 
the \times in math by making the \times an ord. (ll. 170-172)

\permanent\protected\def\digitstextbinop#1% assumes preceding
 {\ifmmode\mathord#1\else\nobreak#1\fi} % Removed space around binop (\times or 
\cdot) in \units -GP
 %{\ifmmode#1\else\fourperemspace\nobreak#1\fourperemspace\fi} % This is the 
old line with spaces -GP


Those are my five suggestions. Thanks for looking at spacing in \units!

Gavin




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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit - SOLVED

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 10/13/2022 1:52 PM, Gavin via ntg-context wrote:

Hi Oli,


Thank four your effort. I found out, that the following definition of a new 
unit, i called it SI, results also in a correct spaceing in the math 
environment:

\defineunit[SI][alternative=text]

It seems, that the option alternative=text solves the problem with no spaces 
between value and unit in the math environment.


That is a terrific solution that doesn’t require any messing with 
phys-dim.mkxl. You do not need to define a new unit. I got your result using 
this line:

\setupunits[alternative=text]

This fixed the most significant problems with \unit in most situations. I’m 
still applying some of my solutions as well.
I'll look into it (with Mikael as some relates to math) once you're done 
playing and provide suggestions and tests.


Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit - degrees

[Alan Braslau via ntg-context]

On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 21:14:52 -0600
Gavin  wrote:

> As a recovering string theorist, I cannot help but speculate that
> this rule extends to spherical coordinates in any number of
> dimensions. However, if you don’t want the space, you can use
> 135\unit{℃}, which does not add a space.

Will 135\unit{℃} ever break between the digits 135 and the "unit"?
I agree that \unit should probably use an \mbox to prevent unwanted
breaks.

The other role of \unit, I understand, is to uniformize the
representation of numbers (digits).

> > Related,
> > \unit{90°} does not seem to introduce a space, as indeed it should
> > not.  

So ℃ needs to be registered as a degree and prevent any spacing.

> Also related, using \unit for just the units, and not the number, is
> useful when they follow something that is not a number, like a
> vector: $ \vec v = (4.0, -3.2, 1.5)\unit{m/s} $. You frequently do
> not want a space in that situation.

Why would one not want a (small) space before m/s in the above
example?

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit - SOLVED

[Gavin via ntg-context]

Hi Oli,

> Thank four your effort. I found out, that the following definition of a new 
> unit, i called it SI, results also in a correct spaceing in the math 
> environment:
> 
> \defineunit[SI][alternative=text]
> 
> It seems, that the option alternative=text solves the problem with no spaces 
> between value and unit in the math environment.

That is a terrific solution that doesn’t require any messing with 
phys-dim.mkxl. You do not need to define a new unit. I got your result using 
this line:

\setupunits[alternative=text]

This fixed the most significant problems with \unit in most situations. I’m 
still applying some of my solutions as well.

Thanks!
Gavin

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit - SOLVED

[Oliver Sieber via ntg-context]

Hi Gavin

Thank four your effort. I found out, that the following definition of a new 
unit, i called it SI, results also in a correct spaceing in the math 
environment:

\defineunit[SI][alternative=text]

It seems, that the option alternative=text solves the problem with no spaces 
between value and unit in the math environment.

Maybe this can be used to solve it easier in the code. I will have a look at 
phys-dim to solve it directly, if I find the time.

Best regards
Oli

> Am 12.10.2022 um 23:54 schrieb Gavin via ntg-context - ntg-context at ntg.nl 
> :
> 
> Hi Max, Alan, Bruce, Hans, et.al
> 
> I solved my four issues with \unit spacing. In the process, I prevented 
> unwanted line breaks and removed an overzealous backspace before division 
> symbols. Below is a MWE that shows all of these issues, as well as pictures 
> of the result with the unmodified phys-dim.mkxl and with my modified 
> phys-dim.mkxl. The final result is exactly what I wanted.
> 
> If anyone wants my changes, either for their own use or to improve the 
> distributed phys-dim.mkxl, I’m happy to share.
> 
> Thanks for all of your comments!
> Gavin
> 
> 
> MWE:
> 
> \setuppapersize[A5]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> The \type{\unit} command in text produces \unit{1.23e5 kg m^2/s^2}.
> 
> Inline math \type{$\unit$} produces $\unit{1.23e5 kg m^2/s^2}$.
> 
> Display math produces
> \startformula
> \unit{1.23e5 kg m^2/s^2} + \unit{8.64e5 newton m} = \unit{987,000 joule}
> \stopformula
> 
> Line breaking in math:
> 
> {\hsize=0pt $G = \unit{6.6743e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2}$}
> 
> \blank
> Line breaking in text:
> 
> {\hsize=0pt \unit{6.6743e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2}}
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> Output with unmodified phys-dim.mkxl:
> 
> 
> Output with my modified phys-dim.mkxl:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2022, at 12:15 AM, Max Chernoff via ntg-context 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>>> I would very strongly argue that the space between the number and the
>>> following units be UNBREAKABLE. Perhaps a thin space (preference), but
>>> most certainly non-breakable.
>>> 
>>> Similarly around the times in scientific notation.
>>> 
>>> I further cannot imagine that a line break be acceptable around a \cdot
>>> in composite units.
>>> 
>>> This can possibly lead to overfill and underfill, something that I find
>>> *infinitely* more acceptable then breaking numbers and units.
>> 
>> Yes, I agree completely here.
>> 
>>> I do not know or use the \units command. Maybe it uses unbreakable
>>> spaces, maybe not. I would never use it unless it could be configured
>>> to only use nonbreakable spaces.
>> 
>> The current behaviour doesn't break the unit from the number, but it
>> does split the scientific notation.
>> 
>> This test file:
>> 
>>  \starttext
>>  \hsize=0pt Math: $G = \unit{6.6743e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2}$
>> 
>>  \hsize=0pt Text: \unit{6.6743e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2}
>>  \stoptext
>> 
>> gives:
>> 
>>  Math:
>>  𝐺=
>>  6.6743×
>>  10–11m3⋅kg–1⋅s–2
>>  Text:
>>  6.6743
>>  ×
>>  10−11 m3⋅kg−1⋅s−2
>> 
>> which isn't great. In my opinion, the \unit command should be typeset in an
>> \hbox (or similar) since I can't think of any circumstances where breaking
>> it would be reasonable.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> -- Max
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit - degrees

[Gavin via ntg-context]

Hi Alan

> On Oct 12, 2022, at 5:55 PM, Alan Braslau via ntg-context 
>  wrote:
> 
> \unit{135℃} adds a space after the digits 135.
> I do not believe that this is correct
> (for ℃ is *not* a "real" unit, unlike \unit{408.15 K} which *is* a real
> unit).

According to “Scientific Style and Format: The CSE Manual for Authors, Editors, 
and Publishers, 8th Ed.” by the Council of Science Editors:

> The symbol for degrees Celsius, ℃ (not simply C), is separated from the 
> number on its left by one space, whereas the degree symbol for a plane angle 
> (e.g. a 45° angle) and for longitude and latitude (e.g. 45°30’N) is not 
> separated from the numeral by a space. [§12.2.1.1 SI Rules, pp.169-170]

As a recovering string theorist, I cannot help but speculate that this rule 
extends to spherical coordinates in any number of dimensions. However, if you 
don’t want the space, you can use 135\unit{℃}, which does not add a space.

> Also,
> \unit{135°C} drops the "C". Is this a parsing bug?

It is not a parsing bug; it is a limitation. In general, units must be spelled 
out (newton, joule, etc.) which produces the correct SI symbol (N, J, etc.). 
Some units are also recognized by their symbols (m, s, kg,…). Celsius is 
recognized by the single character “℃” and by the name “celsius”, but not by 
the two character combination “°C”. Probably, the parser could be expanded to 
recognize the two character combination. That requires mucking around in 
phys-dim.lua, which I’m not going to touch.

Use \unit{135 celsius} if you want the space, and 135\unit{celsius} if you 
don’t. Or you can add your favorite abbreviations:

\registerunit[
  °C=°C,
  ]
\setupunittext[
  °C=℃,
  ]

Then use \unit{135°C} if you want the space and 135\unit{°C} if you don’t.

> Related,
> \unit{90°} does not seem to introduce a space, as indeed it should not.

Also related, using \unit for just the units, and not the number, is useful 
when they follow something that is not a number, like a vector: $ \vec v = 
(4.0, -3.2, 1.5)\unit{m/s} $. You frequently do not want a space in that 
situation.

Now that I’ve had this success messing with other people’s code, I’ve got your 
luagraph module on my mind.

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit - SOLVED

[Gavin via ntg-context]

Hi Max and Rik

> On Oct 12, 2022, at 4:49 PM, Max Chernoff  wrote:
> 
> This new output looks *much* better than the old one, thanks! 

Thank you!

> My only comment is that the spacing around the multiplication sign looks
> a little too tight to me. The original spacing was probably too large,
> but I think that a little more space than you currently have would be
> better.

I haven’t adjusted the space directly. I just changed the \times and \cdot from 
class binom to class ord. I’m not going to tweak the space. I don’t even use 
this font. With proportional numbers in Libertinus, I think the \times looks 
great.



PastedGraphic-5.pdf
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With tabular numbers, the \times looks a bit off center due to the extra space 
around the following 1.

>> If anyone wants my changes, either for their own use or to improve the
>> distributed phys-dim.mkxl, I’m happy to share.
> 
> Yes, can you please share that to the list?

See below for comments, and the full modified phys-dim.mkxl is attached

> Hi Rik,
> 
>> It does look like you have introduced additional space before the 
>> solidus. Was that intentional?
> 
> I believe that that is intentional. From the earlier email:
> 
>> removed an overzealous backspace before division symbols.
> 
> This new spacing looks much more even to me, especially around the
> exponents.

It was intentional. I didn’t add space. I removed a backspace in the \unit code.

Below I list all of my changes to the phys-dim.mkxl code, with some commentary. 
I have added comments in the code everywhere I made a change, and I signed the 
changes with -GP, so they are easy to find.

Thanks for your encouragement, because my high school physics students 
certainly do not give a s#!t.

I hope some people find this useful!

Gavin



This used to add space around the \times in text. Now, instead, it removes the 
space around the \times in math by making the \times an ord. (ll. 170-172)

\permanent\protected\def\digitstextbinop#1% assumes preceding
  {\ifmmode\mathord#1\else\nobreak#1\fi} % Removed space around binop (\times 
or \cdot) in \units -GP
  %{\ifmmode#1\else\fourperemspace\nobreak#1\fourperemspace\fi} % This is the 
old line with spaces -GP


These lines produce the \cdot between units, one is for the default \cdot, the 
other when the separator=cdot option is used. I’m not entirely sure why they 
are separate. Now, in math mode, the \cdot is changed to an ord. (ll. 392-393

\protected\def\phys_units_separator
  
{\ifcsname\??unitseparator\unitparameter\c!separator\endcsname\lastnamedcs\else\ifmmode\mathord\cdot\else\cdot\fi\fi}
 % Made \cdot an "ord" in math mode -GP

\installunitsseparator\v!normal{\ifmmode\mathord\cdot\else\cdot\fi}  % Made 
\cdot an "ord" in math mode -GP


To get the thin space between the number and the units (ll.412-418)

\protected\def\phys_units_space
  {\ifmmode
 \thinspace % let the atoms do the work. Right now atoms aren't doing the 
work, so I put in a \thinspace -GP
   \else
 \unskip % weird, why is unskip needed
 
\ifcsname\??unitspace\unitparameter\c!space\endcsname\lastnamedcs\else\unitsmediumspace\fi
   \fi}


This had a hardcoded backspace before the solidus. I think it looks better 
without. Even if this space should be tighter, it probably should be dealt with 
for every solidus, not just the solidus in \unit the unit command. (ll.412-418)

\permanent\protected\def\unitsSOLIDUS
  {%\ifnum\c_phys_units_state=\plusone % suffix  % Removed three lines to 
eliminate backspace before / -GP
   %  \unitsbackspace
   %\fi
   {/}%
   }%\unitsbackspace}


Finally, until the space around the dimension class is fixed, I’m just removing 
the code that sets units to this class. (ll. 618-623)

\def\phys_units_start
  {\ifmmode
 \dostarttagged\t!maction\t!unit
% \mathatom % I removed this because the correct spaces after dim haven't 
been set (e.g. dimbin, dimrel) -GP
%\s!leftclass  \mathdimensioncode
%\s!rightclass \mathdimensioncode
 \bgroup
   \else
 \dostarttagged\t!unit\empty
   \fi
   \let\phys_units_finish\phys_units_stop
   \let\phys_units_start\relax}




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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit - degrees

[Alan Braslau via ntg-context]

Further \unit question(s):

\unit{135℃} adds a space after the digits 135.
I do not believe that this is correct
(for ℃ is *not* a "real" unit, unlike \unit{408.15 K} which *is* a real
unit).

Also,
\unit{135°C} drops the "C". Is this a parsing bug?

Related,
\unit{90°} does not seem to introduce a space, as indeed it should not.

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit - SOLVED

[Max Chernoff via ntg-context]

Hi Gavin,

On Wed, 2022-10-12 at 15:54 -0600, Gavin wrote:
> Hi Max, Alan, Bruce, Hans, et.al
> 
> I solved my four issues with \unit spacing. In the process, I
> prevented unwanted line breaks and removed an overzealous backspace
> before division symbols. Below is a MWE that shows all of these
> issues, as well as pictures of the result with the unmodified phys-
> dim.mkxl and with my modified phys-dim.mkxl. The final result is
> exactly what I wanted.

This new output looks *much* better than the old one, thanks! 

My only comment is that the spacing around the multiplication sign looks
a little too tight to me. The original spacing was probably too large,
but I think that a little more space than you currently have would be
better.

> If anyone wants my changes, either for their own use or to improve the
> distributed phys-dim.mkxl, I’m happy to share.

Yes, can you please share that to the list?

Hi Rik,

> It does look like you have introduced additional space before the 
> solidus. Was that intentional?

I believe that that is intentional. From the earlier email:

> removed an overzealous backspace before division symbols.

This new spacing looks much more even to me, especially around the
exponents.

Thanks,
-- Max
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit - SOLVED

[Rik Kabel via ntg-context]

On 2022-10-12 17:54, Gavin via ntg-context wrote:

Hi Max, Alan, Bruce, Hans, et.al

I solved my four issues with \unit spacing. In the process, I prevented 
unwanted line breaks and removed an overzealous backspace before division 
symbols. Below is a MWE that shows all of these issues, as well as pictures of 
the result with the unmodified phys-dim.mkxl and with my modified 
phys-dim.mkxl. The final result is exactly what I wanted.

If anyone wants my changes, either for their own use or to improve the 
distributed phys-dim.mkxl, I’m happy to share.

Thanks for all of your comments!
Gavin


MWE:

\setuppapersize[A5]

\starttext

The \type{\unit} command in text produces \unit{1.23e5 kg m^2/s^2}.

Inline math \type{$\unit$} produces $\unit{1.23e5 kg m^2/s^2}$.

Display math produces
\startformula
  \unit{1.23e5 kg m^2/s^2} + \unit{8.64e5 newton m} = \unit{987,000 joule}
\stopformula

Line breaking in math:

{\hsize=0pt $G = \unit{6.6743e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2}$}

\blank
Line breaking in text:

{\hsize=0pt \unit{6.6743e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2}}

\stoptext

Output with unmodified phys-dim.mkxl:


Output with my modified phys-dim.mkxl:





On Oct 10, 2022, at 12:15 AM, Max Chernoff via ntg-context  
wrote:

Hi Alan,


I would very strongly argue that the space between the number and the
following units be UNBREAKABLE. Perhaps a thin space (preference), but
most certainly non-breakable.

Similarly around the times in scientific notation.

I further cannot imagine that a line break be acceptable around a \cdot
in composite units.

This can possibly lead to overfill and underfill, something that I find
*infinitely* more acceptable then breaking numbers and units.

Yes, I agree completely here.


I do not know or use the \units command. Maybe it uses unbreakable
spaces, maybe not. I would never use it unless it could be configured
to only use nonbreakable spaces.

The current behaviour doesn't break the unit from the number, but it
does split the scientific notation.

This test file:

   \starttext
   \hsize=0pt Math: $G = \unit{6.6743e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2}$

   \hsize=0pt Text: \unit{6.6743e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2}
   \stoptext

gives:

   Math:
   𝐺=
   6.6743×
   10–11m3⋅kg–1⋅s–2
   Text:
   6.6743
   ×
   10−11 m3⋅kg−1⋅s−2

which isn't great. In my opinion, the \unit command should be typeset in an
\hbox (or similar) since I can't think of any circumstances where breaking
it would be reasonable.

Thanks,
-- Max
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It does look like you have introduced additional space before the 
solidus. Was that intentional?


--
Rik

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit - SOLVED

[Gavin via ntg-context]

Hi Max, Alan, Bruce, Hans, et.al

I solved my four issues with \unit spacing. In the process, I prevented 
unwanted line breaks and removed an overzealous backspace before division 
symbols. Below is a MWE that shows all of these issues, as well as pictures of 
the result with the unmodified phys-dim.mkxl and with my modified 
phys-dim.mkxl. The final result is exactly what I wanted.

If anyone wants my changes, either for their own use or to improve the 
distributed phys-dim.mkxl, I’m happy to share.

Thanks for all of your comments!
Gavin


MWE:

\setuppapersize[A5]

\starttext

The \type{\unit} command in text produces \unit{1.23e5 kg m^2/s^2}.

Inline math \type{$\unit$} produces $\unit{1.23e5 kg m^2/s^2}$.

Display math produces
\startformula
 \unit{1.23e5 kg m^2/s^2} + \unit{8.64e5 newton m} = \unit{987,000 joule}
\stopformula

Line breaking in math:

{\hsize=0pt $G = \unit{6.6743e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2}$}

\blank
Line breaking in text:

{\hsize=0pt \unit{6.6743e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2}}

\stoptext

Output with unmodified phys-dim.mkxl:


PastedGraphic-3.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


Output with my modified phys-dim.mkxl:


PastedGraphic-2.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document




> On Oct 10, 2022, at 12:15 AM, Max Chernoff via ntg-context 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
>> I would very strongly argue that the space between the number and the
>> following units be UNBREAKABLE. Perhaps a thin space (preference), but
>> most certainly non-breakable.
>> 
>> Similarly around the times in scientific notation.
>> 
>> I further cannot imagine that a line break be acceptable around a \cdot
>> in composite units.
>> 
>> This can possibly lead to overfill and underfill, something that I find
>> *infinitely* more acceptable then breaking numbers and units.
> 
> Yes, I agree completely here.
> 
>> I do not know or use the \units command. Maybe it uses unbreakable
>> spaces, maybe not. I would never use it unless it could be configured
>> to only use nonbreakable spaces. 
> 
> The current behaviour doesn't break the unit from the number, but it
> does split the scientific notation.
> 
> This test file:
> 
>   \starttext
>   \hsize=0pt Math: $G = \unit{6.6743e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2}$
> 
>   \hsize=0pt Text: \unit{6.6743e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2}
>   \stoptext
> 
> gives:
> 
>   Math:
>   𝐺=
>   6.6743×
>   10–11m3⋅kg–1⋅s–2
>   Text:
>   6.6743
>   ×
>   10−11 m3⋅kg−1⋅s−2
> 
> which isn't great. In my opinion, the \unit command should be typeset in an
> \hbox (or similar) since I can't think of any circumstances where breaking
> it would be reasonable.
> 
> Thanks,
> -- Max
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit

[Max Chernoff via ntg-context]

Hi Alan,

> I would very strongly argue that the space between the number and the
> following units be UNBREAKABLE. Perhaps a thin space (preference), but
> most certainly non-breakable.
> 
> Similarly around the times in scientific notation.
> 
> I further cannot imagine that a line break be acceptable around a \cdot
> in composite units.
> 
> This can possibly lead to overfill and underfill, something that I find
> *infinitely* more acceptable then breaking numbers and units.

Yes, I agree completely here.

> I do not know or use the \units command. Maybe it uses unbreakable
> spaces, maybe not. I would never use it unless it could be configured
> to only use nonbreakable spaces. 

The current behaviour doesn't break the unit from the number, but it
does split the scientific notation.

This test file:

   \starttext
   \hsize=0pt Math: $G = \unit{6.6743e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2}$
   
   \hsize=0pt Text: \unit{6.6743e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2}
   \stoptext
   
gives:

   Math:
   𝐺=
   6.6743×
   10–11m3⋅kg–1⋅s–2
   Text:
   6.6743
   ×
   10−11 m3⋅kg−1⋅s−2
   
which isn't great. In my opinion, the \unit command should be typeset in an
\hbox (or similar) since I can't think of any circumstances where breaking
it would be reasonable.

Thanks,
-- Max
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit

[Alan Braslau via ntg-context]

On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 11:59:04 -0600
Gavin via ntg-context  wrote:

> I’m trying to fix four issues:
>   - No space between the number and the following units. Should be a
> thin space.
>   - No space between the units and the following symbol (+ and =
> above). Should be appropriate “bin" or “rel" space.
>   - Too much space around the \cdot in the units. Should be treated
> like an “ord" when used to separate units.
>   - Too much space around the \times in the scientific notation.
> Should be treated like an "ord" when used in scientific notation.
> (I'm not sure there is consensus on this.)

Gavin (and the mailing list),

I would very strongly argue that the space between the number and the
following units be UNBREAKABLE. Perhaps a thin space (preference), but
most certainly non-breakable.

Similarly around the times in scientific notation.

I further cannot imagine that a line break be acceptable around a \cdot
in composite units.

This can possibly lead to overfill and underfill, something that I find
*infinitely* more acceptable then breaking numbers and units.

I do not know or use the \units command. Maybe it uses unbreakable
spaces, maybe not. I would never use it unless it could be configured
to only use nonbreakable spaces. 

Perhaps others feel differently?

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit

[Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context]

> On 25 Sep 2022, at 14:30, Gavin via ntg-context  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> I have a few questions about space produced by the unit command. Consider 
> this MWE
> 
> \starttext
> \unit{3.00e8 kg m/s}
> 
> $\unit{3.00e8 kg m/s}$
> \stoptext
> 
> The dot between “kg” and “m” has different spacing depending on whether the 
> \unit command is in text or math mode. I think that the tighter spacing in 
> the first one, in text, is correct.
> 
> I personally would also like less space around the \times. To me, the number 
> 3.00e8 should be typeset more like a single number, rather than like a 
> product of 3.00 and 10^8. I am probably in the minority here. If \unit and 
> \digit had an option for tighter spacing around the \times, I’d use it, but 
> the current output with more space is probably what most people expect and 
> want. Perhaps something like [scispace=tight].

I too would prefer less space around the times e.g. \starttext 3.00×10\high{8} 
\stoptext is fine (except for the 8 which is nicer in \unit).

—
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Hampshire, UK

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 9/25/2022 5:29 PM, Gavin via ntg-context wrote:

Hi Hans,

I also just noticed that the space between the number and the unit is missing 
when I typeset with ConTeXt ver: 2022.09.11 20:44 LMTX fmt: 2022.9.25. This 
space was present in with the ConTeXt version I was using earlier, from a 
couple months ago. Thanks for putting it on the math todo list!
i can probably clean up the code a bit in lmtx ... units are not that 
(rapidly) evolving and much is rather old code so best collect all 
issues and make a test file that mikael and i can use (as wer then do 
math and text at the same time)


maybe we also need to add units (are there new ones anyway?)

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit

[Gavin via ntg-context]

Hi Hans,

I also just noticed that the space between the number and the unit is missing 
when I typeset with ConTeXt ver: 2022.09.11 20:44 LMTX fmt: 2022.9.25. This 
space was present in with the ConTeXt version I was using earlier, from a 
couple months ago. Thanks for putting it on the math todo list!

Gavin

(I sent the above message to Hans, but failed to cc the mailing list. Sorry if 
some of you get this twice.)

> On Sep 25, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Hans Hagen  wrote:
> 
> On 9/25/2022 3:30 PM, Gavin via ntg-context wrote:
>> Hello list,
>> I have a few questions about space produced by the unit command. Consider 
>> this MWE
>> \starttext
>> \unit{3.00e8 kg m/s}
>> $\unit{3.00e8 kg m/s}$
>> \stoptext
>> The dot between “kg” and “m” has different spacing depending on whether the 
>> \unit command is in text or math mode. I think that the tighter spacing in 
>> the first one, in text, is correct.
>> I personally would also like less space around the \times. To me, the number 
>> 3.00e8 should be typeset more like a single number, rather than like a 
>> product of 3.00 and 10^8. I am probably in the minority here. If \unit and 
>> \digit had an option for tighter spacing around the \times, I’d use it, but 
>> the current output with more space is probably what most people expect and 
>> want. Perhaps something like [scispace=tight].
> 
> that's for the math todo
> 
>> Finally, \unit does not play nicely with surrounding spaces. For example:
>> $2\pi\,\unit{3.00e8 kg m/s}$
>> causes a fatal error:
>> tex error   > tex error on line 9 in file ./Untitled.tex: Incompatible 
>> glue units (case 1)
> that's an interesting case for the engine (Mixing regular and mu skips and 
> so) ... we mighth finaly have a valid case for a primitive zero test
> 
> Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing in \unit

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 9/25/2022 3:30 PM, Gavin via ntg-context wrote:

Hello list,

I have a few questions about space produced by the unit command. Consider this 
MWE

\starttext
\unit{3.00e8 kg m/s}

$\unit{3.00e8 kg m/s}$
\stoptext

The dot between “kg” and “m” has different spacing depending on whether the 
\unit command is in text or math mode. I think that the tighter spacing in the 
first one, in text, is correct.

I personally would also like less space around the \times. To me, the number 
3.00e8 should be typeset more like a single number, rather than like a product 
of 3.00 and 10^8. I am probably in the minority here. If \unit and \digit had 
an option for tighter spacing around the \times, I’d use it, but the current 
output with more space is probably what most people expect and want. Perhaps 
something like [scispace=tight].


that's for the math todo


Finally, \unit does not play nicely with surrounding spaces. For example:

 $2\pi\,\unit{3.00e8 kg m/s}$

causes a fatal error:

tex error   > tex error on line 9 in file ./Untitled.tex: Incompatible glue 
units (case 1)
that's an interesting case for the engine (Mixing regular and mu skips 
and so) ... we mighth finaly have a valid case for a primitive zero test


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing issue in itemize

[Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022, Hans Hagen wrote:

> > @Hans: Does it make sense to add a setups key to \setupitemize to keep such
> > changes local?
> % 0 = before/after
> % 1 = between unless before
> % 2 = between
> 
> \c_strc_itemgroups_spacing_mode\plustwo
> 
> The question then is: "what key" (we have c!inherit available) and "what
> values" (numbers ?) ...

alternative = (a|b|c) like placelist?

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing issue in itemize

[Gavin via ntg-context]

Hi Hans, Aditya, and all,

Let me add another case to this discussion. For multiple choice questions, it 
is nice to have the columns option. However, this produces somewhat 
inconsistent results. In the code below, without Aditya's tweak, there is space 
before the choices in the first two cases, which use columns, but not the last. 
Aditya’s  tweak makes them more consistent.

Adding [columns, one] to the last \startchoices makes the results consistent. 
When doing that, I noticed that the spacing between column rows is slightly 
larger than the spacing between items without columns. So, I am happy using 
[columns, one] as a solution for multiple choice problems, just somewhat 
surprised by the difference.

Gavin


\starttext

%\unprotect
%\c_strc_itemgroups_spacing_mode\plusone
%\protect

\defineitemgroup[questions]
\setupquestions [1] [n]
\define\question{\item}

\defineitemgroup[choices]
\setupchoices [each] [A] [left=(, right=), width=1.7em, stopper=,]
\define\choice{\item}

Here are a few great looking multiple choice questions about colors.
\startquestions
\question What is your favorite color?
\startchoices[columns,four]
  \item Red
  \item Blue
  \item Green
  \item Magenta
\stopitemize
\question What is your least favorite color?
\startchoices[columns]
  \item Red
  \item Blue
  \item Green
  \item Magenta
\stopitemize
\question Toward which colors do you feel indifferent?
\startchoices
  \item Red
  \item Blue
  \item Green
  \item Magenta
\stopitemize
\stopquestions
That's it for questions about colors!

\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing issue in itemize

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 1/13/2022 6:15 PM, Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Gavin via ntg-context wrote:


Hi list,

When I define an items group, it seems to mess up the spacing for a nested item 
group. See example below. Any ideas?

I’m typesetting with

> ConTeXt  ver: 2022.01.06 19:51 LMTX  fmt: 2022.1.9  int: 
english/english

on an M1 Mac.

Thanks!
Gavin


\usemodule[visual]

\defineitemgroup[questions]
\setupquestions [each] [n]

\starttext
This numbered list uses my item group \quotation{questions.} The itemize inside 
is missing space above item (a).
\startquestions
   \item \fakewords{15}{20}
 \startitemize[a][left=(,stopper=,right=)]
   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
 \stopitemize
   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
\stopquestions

This numbered list uses itemize. The itemize inside has the expected space 
above item (a).
\startitemize[n]
   \item \fakewords{15}{20}
 \startitemize[a][left=(,stopper=,right=)]
   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
 \stopitemize
   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
\stopitemize

\stoptext


This is by design. This is what is happening:

\usemodule[visual]

\defineitemgroup[questions]

\starttext
This numbered list uses my item group \quotation{questions.} The itemize inside 
is missing space above item (a).
\startquestions[n][inbetween={AAA}]
   \item \fakewords{15}{20}
 \startitemize[a][left=(,stopper=,right=),before={BBB}]
   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
 \stopitemize
   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
\stopquestions

This numbered list uses itemize. The itemize inside has the expected space 
above item (a).
\startitemize[n][inbetween={AAA}]
   \item \fakewords{15}{20}
 \startitemize[a][left=(,stopper=,right=),before={BBB}]
   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
 \stopitemize
   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
\stopitemize

\stoptext

Note that in the first case, the inbetween does not get inserted at the start 
of the nested itemization (because, ConTeXt doesn't think that they are nested 
as the names are different). But the before key of the nested itemization 
doesn't get inserted in both cases because ConTeXt thinks that the itemization 
is nested!

You can change this behavior by using:

\unprotect
\c_strc_itemgroups_spacing_mode\plusone
\protect

in which case both outputs are similar.

@Hans: Does it make sense to add a setups key to \setupitemize to keep such 
changes local?

% 0 = before/after
% 1 = between unless before
% 2 = between

\c_strc_itemgroups_spacing_mode\plustwo

The question then is: "what key" (we have c!inherit available) and "what 
values" (numbers ?) ...


Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing issue in itemize

[Gavin via ntg-context]

Thank you again, Aditya!

I changed my documents so I use three levels of question, which solved the 
problem.

My code might be more readable if the different levels had different names 
(question, part, subpart), rather than nested questions in questions. This was 
my original intention. I was certainly surprised by the result.

Now I’m moving on to the problem set's diagrams with MetaFun.

Gavin


> On Jan 13, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Gavin via ntg-context wrote:
> 
>> Hi list,
>> 
>> When I define an items group, it seems to mess up the spacing for a nested 
>> item group. See example below. Any ideas?
>> 
>> I’m typesetting with
>> 
>>  > ConTeXt  ver: 2022.01.06 19:51 LMTX  fmt: 2022.1.9  int: 
>> english/english
>> 
>> on an M1 Mac.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Gavin
>> 
>> 
>> \usemodule[visual]
>> 
>> \defineitemgroup[questions]
>> \setupquestions [each] [n]
>> 
>> \starttext
>> This numbered list uses my item group \quotation{questions.} The itemize 
>> inside is missing space above item (a).
>> \startquestions
>>  \item \fakewords{15}{20}
>>\startitemize[a][left=(,stopper=,right=)]
>>  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
>>  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
>>\stopitemize
>>  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
>> \stopquestions
>> 
>> This numbered list uses itemize. The itemize inside has the expected space 
>> above item (a).
>> \startitemize[n]
>>  \item \fakewords{15}{20}
>>\startitemize[a][left=(,stopper=,right=)]
>>  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
>>  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
>>\stopitemize
>>  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
>> \stopitemize
>> 
>> \stoptext
> 
> This is by design. This is what is happening:
> 
> \usemodule[visual]
> 
> \defineitemgroup[questions]
> 
> \starttext
> This numbered list uses my item group \quotation{questions.} The itemize 
> inside is missing space above item (a).
> \startquestions[n][inbetween={AAA}]
>  \item \fakewords{15}{20}
>\startitemize[a][left=(,stopper=,right=),before={BBB}]
>  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
>  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
>\stopitemize
>  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
> \stopquestions
> 
> This numbered list uses itemize. The itemize inside has the expected space 
> above item (a).
> \startitemize[n][inbetween={AAA}]
>  \item \fakewords{15}{20}
>\startitemize[a][left=(,stopper=,right=),before={BBB}]
>  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
>  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
>\stopitemize
>  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
> \stopitemize
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> Note that in the first case, the inbetween does not get inserted at the start 
> of the nested itemization (because, ConTeXt doesn't think that they are 
> nested as the names are different). But the before key of the nested 
> itemization doesn't get inserted in both cases because ConTeXt thinks that 
> the itemization is nested!
> 
> You can change this behavior by using:
> 
> \unprotect
> \c_strc_itemgroups_spacing_mode\plusone
> \protect
> 
> in which case both outputs are similar. 
> 
> @Hans: Does it make sense to add a setups key to \setupitemize to keep such 
> changes local?
> 
> Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing issue in itemize

[Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Gavin via ntg-context wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> When I define an items group, it seems to mess up the spacing for a nested 
> item group. See example below. Any ideas?
> 
> I’m typesetting with
> 
>   > ConTeXt  ver: 2022.01.06 19:51 LMTX  fmt: 2022.1.9  int: 
> english/english
> 
> on an M1 Mac.
> 
> Thanks!
> Gavin
> 
> 
> \usemodule[visual]
> 
> \defineitemgroup[questions]
> \setupquestions [each] [n]
> 
> \starttext
> This numbered list uses my item group \quotation{questions.} The itemize 
> inside is missing space above item (a).
> \startquestions
>   \item \fakewords{15}{20}
> \startitemize[a][left=(,stopper=,right=)]
>   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
>   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
> \stopitemize
>   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
> \stopquestions
> 
> This numbered list uses itemize. The itemize inside has the expected space 
> above item (a).
> \startitemize[n]
>   \item \fakewords{15}{20}
> \startitemize[a][left=(,stopper=,right=)]
>   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
>   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
> \stopitemize
>   \item \fakewords{10}{15}
> \stopitemize
> 
> \stoptext

This is by design. This is what is happening:

\usemodule[visual]

\defineitemgroup[questions]

\starttext
This numbered list uses my item group \quotation{questions.} The itemize inside 
is missing space above item (a).
\startquestions[n][inbetween={AAA}]
  \item \fakewords{15}{20}
\startitemize[a][left=(,stopper=,right=),before={BBB}]
  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
\stopitemize
  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
\stopquestions

This numbered list uses itemize. The itemize inside has the expected space 
above item (a).
\startitemize[n][inbetween={AAA}]
  \item \fakewords{15}{20}
\startitemize[a][left=(,stopper=,right=),before={BBB}]
  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
\stopitemize
  \item \fakewords{10}{15}
\stopitemize

\stoptext

Note that in the first case, the inbetween does not get inserted at the start 
of the nested itemization (because, ConTeXt doesn't think that they are nested 
as the names are different). But the before key of the nested itemization 
doesn't get inserted in both cases because ConTeXt thinks that the itemization 
is nested!

You can change this behavior by using:

\unprotect
\c_strc_itemgroups_spacing_mode\plusone
\protect

in which case both outputs are similar. 

@Hans: Does it make sense to add a setups key to \setupitemize to keep such 
changes local?

Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Mike Cooper]

> -Original Message-
> From: ntg-context [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of David
> Rogers
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 12:29 PM
>
> 
> You may already be doing what I'm about to suggest. If so, please
> disregard.
> 

Thanks again David!  IIRC, I did find one solution this way.  I think the 
biggest challenge with this approach is, as you mention, learning the best 
search keywords.  I think that should improve over time.

Thank you for this good advice!


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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[David Rogers]

Mike Cooper  writes:


Thanks David!

I don't think I've ever been quite so frustrated at trying to 
learn anything else in my life!  If it wasn't required by my 
job, I wouldn't have made it past the first day or two (3 months 
ago).  But I'm slogging away and it's gradually coming together 
(I think).  I spent my whole day yesterday figuring out how to 
do some very basic formatting/layout that would have taken 5-10 
minutes in Word or HTML/CSS.


People have been very helpful and patient with me!!  Thanks to 
all of you for that!


And thanks David for this explanation of the situation.

regards,
Mike


You may already be doing what I'm about to suggest. If so, please 
disregard.


One source that has helped me a lot is the archive of this mailing 
list, where I've searched for any messages that mention whatever 
it is that I'm looking for. Of course such a search is slower than 
scrolling through the index of a manual, and sometimes it's hard 
to figure out "What keyword do I search on? If I knew the correct 
keyword, I'd be done this already!" - but quite often I've "hit 
the jackpot" and found exactly what I needed, or close enough that 
I only had to change some details.


You will soon notice that there are some people on the list who 
consistently see through the problems that are presented, and who 
say something like "I think you probably want something like 
this:" - followed by a solution that makes you say confidently 
"A-ha! So THAT'S how that's done!".


The really good problem-solving sessions on the list, both the 
elegant answers and the questions that precede them, could form a 
pretty good start on a manual. Of course such a method is 
hit-or-miss, but in this case there are quite a few hits. Just 
watch out (in much older messages) that you're not fully relying 
on an answer based on ConTeXt Mk II, because many of those 
solutions no longer work in the newer versions.


... which has accidentally led me to another documentation 
comment. Hans's programming philosophy is not something I'm an 
expert on, but it seems clear that he values "usability, good 
function, and getting the job done well" much higher than he 
values "backward compatibility forever". In other words, if 
something is broken or not good enough, he doesn't hesitate to fix 
it or improve it in the best way he can see. This is good for the 
software in that it is constantly improving in every direction, 
but it does also make it a bit more of a challenge to document, 
and a bit more of a challenge to find someone who *wants* to 
document it - "How ConTeXt Used To Work Last Year" is clearly not 
going to be a top-selling title. :) But despite that, the majority 
of what you want to know has not changed in quite some time, and 
usually only *very* old solutions will fail completely.


I want to finish this message by saying: When you read through 
"SomeFile.tex" that you've created, every switch and command in it 
should make sense to you. In the beginning that might not always 
be the case, but it's easier for you to get there than it might 
sound, and you'll see that all the best solutions you get from 
others share that quality of "Ah, I see, that makes sense, I get 
how this works". Most of the time, a solution that doesn't give 
you that feeling is not quite the right way to do it. Of course a 
poor solution is better than nothing, but please don't stay 
satisfied with hairy-looking clusters of commands that sort of 
work but no one knows why. (I've written lots of those, that's why 
I say this.) :) Simple and direct writing means the mistakes will 
soon become obvious; the worst thing to do in ConTeXt is to make a 
complicated mysterious mistake that you can't even find.


Well. THAT turned out longer than I intended. :)

--
David
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 24.06.2020 um 23:11 schrieb Mike Cooper 
> :
>> Most of you know I’m writing at this German ConTeXt book since years...
>> I use the incomplete version myself a lot, and I very much hope that at 
>> least every
>> second German TeX user will buy it ;)
> 
> Awesome!  Keep at it!
> Maybe when there's an English version, I'll still need it!  :-)

Even if I did plan an English version, I don’t think it will happen... First I 
need to complete the German version.

>> With TeX, footnotes, ToCs and indexes are beginner stuff, while they’re quite
>> advanced with InDesign or Word. Styling your work is much easier in a visual
>> programm – while you do it manually.
> 
> Hmmm...  I don't find those things to be at all advanced in Word.   ???

It’s easier in Word (or LibreOffice) than in InDesign, true.
Never tried to make an index in LO/Word.

But ToCs in word processors tend to get messed up, as other stuff like image 
placement.


>> May I ask what kind of job requires you to learn ConTeXt? That’s rare.
> 
> Haha!  I now work with Jan Willem Flamma (who is on this list) in the 
> training industry.  He tells me that using ConTeXt with XML will give us a 
> modularity to our training content such that a modification in one place is 
> more or less automatically taken care of for every course manual that uses 
> that content.  (At least that's my current understanding.)  So I've been 
> trying to learn ConTeXt and now slowly chipping away at coding one of our 
> smaller homework chapters.

It’s at least possible to make it efficient.

I never use XML input but mostly convert DOCX to ConTeXt and work in that.

My main job ATM is with technical documentation on a specialized LaTeX3 system: 
several similar machines, several translations, i.e. modularity pays off.

At a former job (newspaper prepress admin) I prepared training material on 
Acrobat Pro using ConTeXt; presentations and handouts in the same documents, 
using modes.


All the best,
Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Mike Cooper]

> -Original Message-
> From: ntg-context [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Henning
> Hraban Ramm
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:20 PM
> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items
> 
> 
> 
> Most of you know I’m writing at this German ConTeXt book since years...
> I use the incomplete version myself a lot, and I very much hope that at least 
> every
> second German TeX user will buy it ;)

Awesome!  Keep at it!
Maybe when there's an English version, I'll still need it!  :-)


> 
> Googling is necessary and helpful for LaTeX, but there aren’t so many blog or
> forum entries about ConTeXt.

Yes, this has been kind of frustrating too.  It's certainly challenged my 
searching skills to find and separate ConTeXt from LaTeX.


> 
> With TeX, footnotes, ToCs and indexes are beginner stuff, while they’re quite
> advanced with InDesign or Word. Styling your work is much easier in a visual
> programm – while you do it manually.

Hmmm...  I don't find those things to be at all advanced in Word.   ???


> 
> There is more beginner level documentation for ConTeXt than for ObjC, but we 
> still
> assume a basic familiarity with TeX and principles of design and typography.

Yes, this is exactly what I've found in just about everything labeled 
"beginner" or "basic" for ConTeXt documentation.  Maybe it would be "beginner" 
for someone who already knows some other typesetting code...  The best beginner 
thing I found was Willi Egger's "ConTeXt for Beginners" (TUGboat, Volume 38 
(2017), No. 3).  Only it's too short!  And I think my own background in 
HTML/CSS made it easier than it would be for someone who comes from an 
average-Word-user background.


> 
> >>I spent my whole day yesterday figuring out how to do some very basic
> >> formatting/layout that would have taken 5-10 minutes in Word or HTML/CSS.
> 
> But I’m quite sure if you figured it out on your own, you know how to do it 
> next
> time. Or if you forget, you can look for your own solution (I recur to my old
> environments all the time).

Yes, that at least is a consolation!


> 
> May I ask what kind of job requires you to learn ConTeXt? That’s rare.

Haha!  I now work with Jan Willem Flamma (who is on this list) in the training 
industry.  He tells me that using ConTeXt with XML will give us a modularity to 
our training content such that a modification in one place is more or less 
automatically taken care of for every course manual that uses that content.  
(At least that's my current understanding.)  So I've been trying to learn 
ConTeXt and now slowly chipping away at coding one of our smaller homework 
chapters.


> 
> > I've always found w3chools.com to be especially helpful with HTML/CSS
> because they give plenty of examples and explanation.
> 
> Please don’t use w3fools! It’s full of errors and bad practice. (At least it 
> was some
> years before; I can’t imagine it got fundamentally better.)

Oh interesting!  I've always found it very helpful.  Probably, I haven't 
attempted the more advanced features/coding.  ??


> 
> > 
>   I spent *days* trying to figure out how to add more whitespace
> around a floated graphic (the default is too cramped in my opinion).  I 
> finally just
> threw up my hands and decided that no one else has this opinion but me so
> nobody has ever "fixed" it and thus, no solution exists.
> 
> Hm, did you try the margin options of
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupfloat ?

I don't remember what all I tried at this point.  I think it's been over two 
months since I just gave up on that one.  I'll take another look.  Thanks!


> 
> The learning curve *is* steep and stays steep for a long while, depending on 
> your
> requirements.
> 
> 
> Good luck!
> Hraban

THANKS HRABAN!!


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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 24.06.2020 um 19:41 schrieb Mike Cooper 
> :
>> 
>> Indeed. It's all volunteer work that doesn't pay the bills. Sitting down
>> and starting to write a big manual simply doesn't pay off so it has to
>> happen in free time. And that being the case, it is more attactive to
>> work on some new challenge.
>> 
>> Concerning manuals: I sometimes wonder if they are really read. So, how
>> to set up one that works for all, build up explanations, etc ... isn't
>> it more about googling a solution nowadays (ok, not entirely true i
>> guess, as one then has to learn how to distinguish the wrong solutions
>> from the good, but i suppose one can just test it).

Most of you know I’m writing at this German ConTeXt book since years...
I use the incomplete version myself a lot, and I very much hope that at least 
every second German TeX user will buy it ;)

And of course it’s a lot of work – while Hans, Wolfgang and Taco (and a few 
otehrs) know their code, I must look up every option, try to find a short 
description or come up with a test case, so that I understand what’s going on 
to write it down for others. (Often parallelly for the book in Germand and for 
the wiki in English.)
And far too often I give up because I can’t make something work – mostly 
because I didn’t understand some fundamental concept (expansion...), but 
sometimes features just don’t work as advertised/documented (like columnsets).

Googling is necessary and helpful for LaTeX, but there aren’t so many blog or 
forum entries about ConTeXt.

> I started out maybe a little bit hodge-podge, looking through some 
> documentation recommended to me.  The basic concept is very straightforward.  
> No problem.  But implementation has been extremely challenging (but it's 
> probably just me!).  Then I was pointed to Henri Menke's "Definitive Guide" 
> post.  I read the entire Excursion (though I confess I did not *practice* as 
> I went along (partly because SciTe was such a pain)).  The Excursion is not 
> for (true) beginners.  And, no offense, but I thought it was poorly typeset 
> as well...

I think it doesn’t make a lot of sense to try to understand the whole thing at 
once.
You need to start small with a project and some basic structuring, then add 
your style requirements one after the other.

If you come from a layout background like me, some “advanced“ stuff is really 
easy in ConTeXt, while seemingly basic stuff is very hard.
The mindset of a command-based typesetting system is fundamentally different 
from that of a layout program or word processor – even if you can do a lot of 
the same tasks with each.

> Then I went through Aditya's "amazing tutorial" (mostly with a good bit of 
> help from Aditya just to be able to get started!) and definitely learned 
> more.  But at the end I felt like it was mostly an exercise in "slow-motion 
> copy/paste" (I retyped all the code).  Of course, when I got the code right, 
> I got the intended output.  I did fiddle with options a little bit as I went. 
>  No doubt, I should have done more.  There was too much of what I had 
> "successfully" done that I still didn't really understand at the end of it.

A typesetting system like ConTeXt is as much a tool for professionals as a 
layout program like InDesign. And even a word processor is better used by 
professionals who understand what they’re doing.

Each system is also usable by beginners (TeX not so much) – but they can’t 
expect to get professional results immediately.

With TeX, footnotes, ToCs and indexes are beginner stuff, while they’re quite 
advanced with InDesign or Word. Styling your work is much easier in a visual 
programm – while you do it manually.

For ConTeXt you need on one hand the mindset of a programmer, on the other hand 
that of a media designer.
Using LaTeX you can choose a readymade style (class), but with ConTeXt you 
define your own – it’s easier, but still challenging.

I think ConTeXt has a similar problem as Objective C: It might be superior to 
C++, but every introduction into ObjC assumes you are familiar with ANSI C or 
C++. But if ObjC is so great, why should I bother learning the other?
Most ConTeXt users used LaTeX or plain TeX before. They have to re-learn a lot, 
but they know a bit about how TeX thinks and works, and they know the 
limitations of LaTeX.
There is more beginner level documentation for ConTeXt than for ObjC, but we 
still assume a basic familiarity with TeX and principles of design and 
typography.

With my book I’m trying to start without prior knowledge, even if I know most 
of my readers will come from LaTeX.
But I still include sections about working on the command line or choosing a 
text editor and a lot of basic design/typography knowledge. I want it to really 
enable someone with usual office experience to start with ConTeXt. On the other 
hand I’d like to show what’s possible and what I find interesting.

And that leads to:

>> It has been said before: one can have manuals, wikis, mailing 

Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Mike Cooper]

> -Original Message-
> From: ntg-context [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Hans Hagen
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:50 AM
> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items
> 
> On 6/24/2020 12:00 AM, Mike Cooper wrote:
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: On Behalf Of David Rogers
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 3:18 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike Cooper  writes:
> >>
> >>> Thanks Tomáš!
> >>>
> >>> 1.  Where can this solution be found?
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike, I know how you feel. 
> 
>  >> David
> 
> Indeed. It's all volunteer work that doesn't pay the bills. Sitting down
> and starting to write a big manual simply doesn't pay off so it has to
> happen in free time. And that being the case, it is more attactive to
> work on some new challenge.
> 
> Concerning manuals: I sometimes wonder if they are really read. So, how
> to set up one that works for all, build up explanations, etc ... isn't
> it more about googling a solution nowadays (ok, not entirely true i
> guess, as one then has to learn how to distinguish the wrong solutions
> from the good, but i suppose one can just test it).

I started out maybe a little bit hodge-podge, looking through some 
documentation recommended to me.  The basic concept is very straightforward.  
No problem.  But implementation has been extremely challenging (but it's 
probably just me!).  Then I was pointed to Henri Menke's "Definitive Guide" 
post.  I read the entire Excursion (though I confess I did not *practice* as I 
went along (partly because SciTe was such a pain)).  The Excursion is not for 
(true) beginners.  And, no offense, but I thought it was poorly typeset as 
well...

Then I went through Aditya's "amazing tutorial" (mostly with a good bit of help 
from Aditya just to be able to get started!) and definitely learned more.  But 
at the end I felt like it was mostly an exercise in "slow-motion copy/paste" (I 
retyped all the code).  Of course, when I got the code right, I got the 
intended output.  I did fiddle with options a little bit as I went.  No doubt, 
I should have done more.  There was too much of what I had "successfully" done 
that I still didn't really understand at the end of it.


> 
> It has been said before: one can have manuals, wikis, mailing lists,
> journals ... once they cross the beginners level they also become large
> and hard to navigate. One can have 'beginners' and 'advanced' but who
> wants to be a 'beginner' ... when is the line crossed. Maybe on the wiky
> we should actually have that distinction.
> 
> > Thanks David!
> >
> > I don't think I've ever been quite so frustrated at trying to learn 
> > anything else in
> my life!  If it wasn't required by my job, I wouldn't have made it past the 
> first day or
> two (3 months ago).  But I'm slogging away and it's gradually coming together 
> (I
> think).  I spent my whole day yesterday figuring out how to do some very basic
> formatting/layout that would have taken 5-10 minutes in Word or HTML/CSS.
> >
> > People have been very helpful and patient with me!!  Thanks to all of you 
> > for
> that!
> 
> Let me challenge you: how would your solution translate to a wiki page
> for a beginner with the sam eproblem to solve ... content but also the
> 'how to get there aspect'

This is more general than about "my specific problem".  There have been a 
number of different ones.  They are all basic formatting/layout.  I've resorted 
to asking about a couple of them on the mailing list after no joy anywhere else.

Off the top of my head, I would suggest more explanation/description and 
especially more examples of what each option/key/whatever does.  I've always 
found w3chools.com to be especially helpful with HTML/CSS because they give 
plenty of examples and explanation.

I don't know if it's really feasible to do anything about it but another thing 
is the jargon.  I probably mainly think in terms of HTML/CSS lingo and then MS 
Word.  When I hunt through the wiki or the manuals or Google for solutions, I 
naturally use the terms I know.  But it seems that the things I've wanted are 
referred to differently in ConTeXt.  I spent *days* trying to figure out how to 
add more whitespace around a floated graphic (the default is too cramped in my 
opinion).  I finally just threw up my hands and decided that no one else has 
this opinion but me so nobody has ever "fixed" it and thus, no solution exists.


> 
> > And thanks David f

Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/24/2020 12:00 AM, Mike Cooper wrote:




-Original Message-
From: On Behalf Of David Rogers
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 3:18 PM


Mike Cooper  writes:


Thanks Tomáš!

1.  Where can this solution be found?



Mike, I know how you feel. The reasons that the documentation is
so sparse and difficult to find are the same reasons behind a lot
of things: time, money, and ability. Good documentation requires
all three of those things to be brought together at the same time.
Some people reading and responding here have two out of the three,
but it's rare to find someone who has all three at the same time.

On second thought, there are at least five things required: time,
money, ability, desire, and a workable plan. And with ConTeXt
being developed by a relatively tiny group, even if a brilliant
and kind organizer came along and said "I want excellent
documentation for ConTeXt, and I'll pay a fortune to the person
who knows how to write it - see, here's the money" - there's no
way of guaranteeing that someone would actually take the offer.


>> David

Indeed. It's all volunteer work that doesn't pay the bills. Sitting down 
and starting to write a big manual simply doesn't pay off so it has to 
happen in free time. And that being the case, it is more attactive to 
work on some new challenge.


Concerning manuals: I sometimes wonder if they are really read. So, how 
to set up one that works for all, build up explanations, etc ... isn't 
it more about googling a solution nowadays (ok, not entirely true i 
guess, as one then has to learn how to distinguish the wrong solutions 
from the good, but i suppose one can just test it).


It has been said before: one can have manuals, wikis, mailing lists, 
journals ... once they cross the beginners level they also become large 
and hard to navigate. One can have 'beginners' and 'advanced' but who 
wants to be a 'beginner' ... when is the line crossed. Maybe on the wiky 
we should actually have that distinction.



Thanks David!

I don't think I've ever been quite so frustrated at trying to learn anything 
else in my life!  If it wasn't required by my job, I wouldn't have made it past 
the first day or two (3 months ago).  But I'm slogging away and it's gradually 
coming together (I think).  I spent my whole day yesterday figuring out how to 
do some very basic formatting/layout that would have taken 5-10 minutes in Word 
or HTML/CSS.

People have been very helpful and patient with me!!  Thanks to all of you for 
that!


Let me challenge you: how would your solution translate to a wiki page 
for a beginner with the sam eproblem to solve ... content but also the 
'how to get there aspect'



And thanks David for this explanation of the situation.
There are a couple of things that you need to keep in mind when you 
start with something like context:


- you often bring with your experience (and exposure) to different 
systems and these don't translate; recently i was playing with some css 
setup for a rather complex xml -> html mapping and things that would 
have taken me 5 minutes in tex costs me plenty of time in css due to all 
kind of interactions; just as with tex, one can end up with hacks found 
on the web (it was hobyism of course)


- often one starts using something like tex in order to do something 
that is not really 'beginners' stuff (cue: always test something new or 
explore a command in a one page small test file!) .. the extremes are: i 
do this complex book layout in 'indesign' (manual work) but how can i do 
it (fully automatic) in tex (and i have to have it running next week) 
and btw, i have xml inout that has flaws


- in typesetting all kind of mechanisms are involved, it's an ecosystem 
and all can work with all and interfere with all ... comparing with 
word/css is a bit tricky as tex systems are meant for automatic flows 
(with of course local tuning but then we enter 
what-you-program-is-what-you-get) and dtp is klick and point and choices 
on the spot .. i think one can safely say that tex has a longer learning 
curve but that gets compensated in the end (it compares to typing: who 
takes a few week typing course in order to benefit later ... most start 
with two fingers and do that their whole live) .. tex has been qualified 
as a live-long toolkit: it takes a while but after that you use if your 
whole live (which is posisble because it stays around)


- if one is happy with word and it does what it does better and faster 
.. don't use tex; i admit that i never used word but then, i never had 
to make documents of that kind (just like i alway suse metapost and 
never used a drawing program as i never needed that kind of graphics)


- in context you need to think rather minimalistic: most styles can 
actually be rather small once you realize that a lot of configuration 
keys are similar (there is no need to document 'before' or 'style' with 
each comand ... most beginners styles have too much code


- in addition to manuals (the ones 

Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Mike Cooper]

> -Original Message-
> From: On Behalf Of David Rogers
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 3:18 PM
>
> 
> Mike Cooper  writes:
> 
> > Thanks Tomáš!
> >
> > 1.  Where can this solution be found?
> 
> 
> Mike, I know how you feel. The reasons that the documentation is
> so sparse and difficult to find are the same reasons behind a lot
> of things: time, money, and ability. Good documentation requires
> all three of those things to be brought together at the same time.
> Some people reading and responding here have two out of the three,
> but it's rare to find someone who has all three at the same time.
> 
> On second thought, there are at least five things required: time,
> money, ability, desire, and a workable plan. And with ConTeXt
> being developed by a relatively tiny group, even if a brilliant
> and kind organizer came along and said "I want excellent
> documentation for ConTeXt, and I'll pay a fortune to the person
> who knows how to write it - see, here's the money" - there's no
> way of guaranteeing that someone would actually take the offer.
> 
> --
> David


Thanks David!

I don't think I've ever been quite so frustrated at trying to learn anything 
else in my life!  If it wasn't required by my job, I wouldn't have made it past 
the first day or two (3 months ago).  But I'm slogging away and it's gradually 
coming together (I think).  I spent my whole day yesterday figuring out how to 
do some very basic formatting/layout that would have taken 5-10 minutes in Word 
or HTML/CSS.

People have been very helpful and patient with me!!  Thanks to all of you for 
that!

And thanks David for this explanation of the situation.

regards,
Mike

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[David Rogers]

Mike Cooper  writes:


Thanks Tomáš!

1.  Where can this solution be found?



Mike, I know how you feel. The reasons that the documentation is 
so sparse and difficult to find are the same reasons behind a lot 
of things: time, money, and ability. Good documentation requires 
all three of those things to be brought together at the same time. 
Some people reading and responding here have two out of the three, 
but it's rare to find someone who has all three at the same time.


On second thought, there are at least five things required: time, 
money, ability, desire, and a workable plan. And with ConTeXt 
being developed by a relatively tiny group, even if a brilliant 
and kind organizer came along and said "I want excellent 
documentation for ConTeXt, and I'll pay a fortune to the person 
who knows how to write it - see, here's the money" - there's no 
way of guaranteeing that someone would actually take the offer.


--
David
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/17/2020 11:03 PM, Mike Cooper wrote:

OK.  I'm not sure how I'm supposed to guess that.  I am a rank beginner and 
while there are breakthroughs now and then, frustration is still the main thing 
I experience trying to learn/use ConTeXt...

In any case, my original question is still not solved.  The before/inbetween 
keys add space everywhere.  I only want space between top-level items.

Here is something like what I need, with the spacing exaggerated:


1.  Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, 
involved question… Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, involved 
question… Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, involved question… 
Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, 
involved question… Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, involved 
question… Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, involved question…
What’s the answer?

a. An answer that may well wrap onto a second or even third line but is usually 
half a line or less.
b. By the time the data has been accurately analyzed, critical failure has 
already occurred.
c. Seven bands must be hired to adequately bring the funk.



2.  Another question with detailed data and information and scenario. Another 
question with detailed data and information and scenario. Another question with 
detailed data and information and scenario. Another question with detailed data 
and information and scenario. Another question with detailed data and 
information and scenario. Another question with detailed data and information 
and scenario. Another question with detailed data and information and scenario. 
Another question with detailed data and information and scenario.
What’s the correct action to take?

a. Create a spreadsheet which compiles the salient data into a logical 
order/layout, perform calculations and analysis then search the internet for a 
solution.
b. Immediately report the data to the supervisory team.
c. File the data in the relevant, appropriate locations, complete a 
standardized company report form, notify all vested parties, raise the flags, 
abandon ship.



3.  Yet another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet another of the same. 
Yet another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet 
another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet 
another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet 
another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet 
another of the same.
What would you do?

a. Run
b. Walk
c. Crawl


I want the top-level chunks to be visually separated for better readability, 
etc.


\defineenumeration
  [question]
  [text=,
   alternative=serried,
   distance=1em,
   width=fit,
   before={\testpage[4]\blank[3*big]},
   after={\blank}]

\starttext

\dorecurse{10}{
\startquestion
\input ward
\stopquestion

\startitemize[packed,a]
\startitem \input ward \stopitem
\startitem \input ward \stopitem
\startitem \input ward \stopitem
\stopitemize
}

\stoptext



-Original Message-
From: ntg-context [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Wolfgang 
Schuster
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:45 PM
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

Mike Cooper schrieb am 17.06.2020 um 21:50:

I really should have fiddled with this before thanking you, Wolfgang.  I was 
focused on catching up on email etc. this morning.

Thanks for trying though!

Your "answer" is pretty much coded code to me.  I don't understand it and don't have the 
first notion of how to implement it in my file.  For one thing,  I have no clue what 
"ttbf" means.  Can't find it on the wiki or in the manuals.  Google says it's the Texas 
Teen Book Festival but I'm guessing that ain't it.  ???


My example shows which key is used for which space around each item.

To insert vertical space you have to use the \blank command and set a
value in the optional argument, e.g. \blank[1cm].

To insert now a space of 1cm before the first item you need the "before"
key with \blank as argument:

  \setupitemgroup[mdshw][1][before={\blank[1cm]}]

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Mike Cooper]

OK.  I'm not sure how I'm supposed to guess that.  I am a rank beginner and 
while there are breakthroughs now and then, frustration is still the main thing 
I experience trying to learn/use ConTeXt...

In any case, my original question is still not solved.  The before/inbetween 
keys add space everywhere.  I only want space between top-level items.  

Here is something like what I need, with the spacing exaggerated:


1.  Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, 
involved question… Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, involved 
question… Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, involved question… 
Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, 
involved question… Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, involved 
question… Multi-line, involved question… Multi-line, involved question… 
What’s the answer?

a. An answer that may well wrap onto a second or even third line but is usually 
half a line or less.
b. By the time the data has been accurately analyzed, critical failure has 
already occurred.
c. Seven bands must be hired to adequately bring the funk.



2.  Another question with detailed data and information and scenario. Another 
question with detailed data and information and scenario. Another question with 
detailed data and information and scenario. Another question with detailed data 
and information and scenario. Another question with detailed data and 
information and scenario. Another question with detailed data and information 
and scenario. Another question with detailed data and information and scenario. 
Another question with detailed data and information and scenario.
What’s the correct action to take?

a. Create a spreadsheet which compiles the salient data into a logical 
order/layout, perform calculations and analysis then search the internet for a 
solution.
b. Immediately report the data to the supervisory team.
c. File the data in the relevant, appropriate locations, complete a 
standardized company report form, notify all vested parties, raise the flags, 
abandon ship.



3.  Yet another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet another of the same. 
Yet another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet 
another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet 
another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet 
another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet another of the same. Yet 
another of the same.
What would you do?

a. Run
b. Walk
c. Crawl


I want the top-level chunks to be visually separated for better readability, 
etc.



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Mike Cooper schrieb am 17.06.2020 um 21:50:
> I really should have fiddled with this before thanking you, Wolfgang.  I was 
> focused on catching up on email etc. this morning.
> 
> Thanks for trying though!
> 
> Your "answer" is pretty much coded code to me.  I don't understand it and 
> don't have the first notion of how to implement it in my file.  For one 
> thing,  I have no clue what "ttbf" means.  Can't find it on the wiki or in 
> the manuals.  Google says it's the Texas Teen Book Festival but I'm guessing 
> that ain't it.  ???

My example shows which key is used for which space around each item.

To insert vertical space you have to use the \blank command and set a 
value in the optional argument, e.g. \blank[1cm].

To insert now a space of 1cm before the first item you need the "before" 
key with \blank as argument:

 \setupitemgroup[mdshw][1][before={\blank[1cm]}]

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Mike Cooper schrieb am 17.06.2020 um 21:50:

I really should have fiddled with this before thanking you, Wolfgang.  I was 
focused on catching up on email etc. this morning.

Thanks for trying though!

Your "answer" is pretty much coded code to me.  I don't understand it and don't have the 
first notion of how to implement it in my file.  For one thing,  I have no clue what 
"ttbf" means.  Can't find it on the wiki or in the manuals.  Google says it's the Texas 
Teen Book Festival but I'm guessing that ain't it.  ???


My example shows which key is used for which space around each item.

To insert vertical space you have to use the \blank command and set a 
value in the optional argument, e.g. \blank[1cm].


To insert now a space of 1cm before the first item you need the "before" 
key with \blank as argument:


\setupitemgroup[mdshw][1][before={\blank[1cm]}]

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Mike Cooper]

Yes, I did try it.  It put "[before]" (in ttbf (thanks for the hint!)) on the 
previously blank line before the first top-level item.  And it put 
"[inbetween]" in the other previously blank lines between both level of items, 
and "[after]" into the previously blank line after the last item.  

Spacing was not affected at all, only mysterious words in square brackets 
showed up in the output.

??


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> Am 17.06.2020 um 21:50 schrieb Mike Cooper 
> :
> 
> For one thing,  I have no clue what "ttbf" means.  Can't find it on the wiki 
> or in the manuals.  Google says it's the Texas Teen Book Festival but I'm 
> guessing that ain't it.  ???

Did you try it?

(Hint: There’s \tt and \bf ...)

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

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> Am 17.06.2020 um 21:50 schrieb Mike Cooper 
> :
> 
> For one thing,  I have no clue what "ttbf" means.  Can't find it on the wiki 
> or in the manuals.  Google says it's the Texas Teen Book Festival but I'm 
> guessing that ain't it.  ???

Did you try it?

(Hint: There’s \tt and \bf ...)

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Mike Cooper]

I really should have fiddled with this before thanking you, Wolfgang.  I was 
focused on catching up on email etc. this morning.

Thanks for trying though!

Your "answer" is pretty much coded code to me.  I don't understand it and don't 
have the first notion of how to implement it in my file.  For one thing,  I 
have no clue what "ttbf" means.  Can't find it on the wiki or in the manuals.  
Google says it's the Texas Teen Book Festival but I'm guessing that ain't it.  
???

Thanks anyway!



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Mike Cooper schrieb am 16.06.2020 um 19:51:
> Hello list,
> 
> Another very simple issue—no doubt the answer is right in front of me 
> but I can’t find it or figure it out…
> 
> (Please let me know where it is!)
> 
> I want more space before each top-level item.MWE:
> 
> \defineitemgroup[mdshw][levels=2]
> 
> \setupitemgroup[mdshw][1][n]
> 
> \setupitemgroup[mdshw][2][a, packed, 1*broad][left=(, right=), stopper=]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \startsection{First Section}

\startsection[title={...}]


The first entry uses the "before" value while inner entries use "inbetween".

\starttext

\setupitemgroup
   [itemize][1]
   [   before={\endgraf{\ttbf[before]}\endgraf},
inbetween={\endgraf{\ttbf [inbetween]}\endgraf},
after={\endgraf{\ttbf [after]}\endgraf}]

\startitemize
 \startitem Choose the correct answer.
 \startitemize
 \item This one
 \item This one
 \stopitemize
 \stopitem
 \startitem Choose the correct answer.
 \startitemize
 \item This one
 \item This one
 \stopitemize
 \stopitem
\stopitemize

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Mike Cooper]

Thanks Tomáš!

1.  Where can this solution be found?

2.  This solution also adds space between the top-level and second-level 
lists...  
 I only want some visual separation between the top-level chunks.

Thanks!



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Hi Mike,

\setupitemgroup[youritems][1][inbetween={\blank[5*big]}]
could help you.

Best wishes,

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Mike Cooper]

Thanks Wolfgang!

1. Where can this solution be found?  (wiki or elsewhere)

2. I'm guessing that you're saying that my \startsection should have 
[title={...}] instead of what I gave?



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Mike Cooper schrieb am 16.06.2020 um 19:51:
> Hello list,
> 
> Another very simple issue—no doubt the answer is right in front of me 
> but I can’t find it or figure it out…
> 
> (Please let me know where it is!)
> 
> I want more space before each top-level item.MWE:
> 
> \defineitemgroup[mdshw][levels=2]
> 
> \setupitemgroup[mdshw][1][n]
> 
> \setupitemgroup[mdshw][2][a, packed, 1*broad][left=(, right=), stopper=]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \startsection{First Section}

\startsection[title={...}]


The first entry uses the "before" value while inner entries use "inbetween".

\starttext

\setupitemgroup
   [itemize][1]
   [   before={\endgraf{\ttbf[before]}\endgraf},
inbetween={\endgraf{\ttbf [inbetween]}\endgraf},
after={\endgraf{\ttbf [after]}\endgraf}]

\startitemize
 \startitem Choose the correct answer.
 \startitemize
 \item This one
 \item This one
 \stopitemize
 \stopitem
 \startitem Choose the correct answer.
 \startitemize
 \item This one
 \item This one
 \stopitemize
 \stopitem
\stopitemize

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[jkitz]

> On Jun 16, 2020, at 1:51 PM, m...@murchisondrillingschools.com wrote:
> 
> I want more space before each top-level item.  MWE:
> 
> \defineitemgroup[mdshw][levels=2]
> \setupitemgroup[mdshw][1][n]
> \setupitemgroup[mdshw][2][a, packed, 1*broad][left=(, right=), stopper=]


Is something like this what you want? (Play with the values [2cm])


\defineitemgroup[mdshw][levels=2]

\setupitemgroup[mdshw][1][n][before={\blank[2cm]},after={\blank[2cm]},inbetween={\blank[2cm]}]
\setupitemgroup[mdshw][2][a, packed, 1*broad][left=(, right=), stopper=]


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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

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Hi Mike,

\setupitemgroup[youritems][1][inbetween={\blank[5*big]}]
could help you.

Best wishes,

Tomáš


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# 
#Hello list,
# 
# 
# 
#Another very simple issue—no doubt the answer is right in front of me but
#I can’t find it or figure it out… 
# 
#(Please let me know where it is!)
# 
# 
# 
#I want more space before each top-level item.  MWE:
# 
# 
# 
#\defineitemgroup[mdshw][levels=2]
# 
# \setupitemgroup[mdshw][1][n]
# 
# \setupitemgroup[mdshw][2][a, packed, 1*broad][left=(, right=),
#stopper=]
# 
# 
# 
# 
# 
#\starttext
# 
# 
# 
#\startsection{First Section}
# 
# 
# 
#\startmdshw
# 
# \item Choose the correct answer.
# 
#  \startmdshw
# 
#  \item This one
# 
#  \item This one
# 
#  \item This one
# 
#  \stopmdshw
# 
# 
# 
# \item Choose the correct answer.
# 
#  \startmdshw
# 
#  \item This one
# 
#  \item This one
# 
#  \item This one
# 
#  \stopmdshw
# 
# 
# 
# \item Choose the correct answer.
# 
#  \startmdshw
# 
#  \item This one
# 
#  \item This one
# 
#  \item This one
# 
#  \stopmdshw
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# 
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing before items

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Mike Cooper schrieb am 16.06.2020 um 19:51:

Hello list,

Another very simple issue—no doubt the answer is right in front of me 
but I can’t find it or figure it out…


(Please let me know where it is!)

I want more space before each top-level item.MWE:

\defineitemgroup[mdshw][levels=2]

\setupitemgroup[mdshw][1][n]

\setupitemgroup[mdshw][2][a, packed, 1*broad][left=(, right=), stopper=]

\starttext

\startsection{First Section}


\startsection[title={...}]


The first entry uses the "before" value while inner entries use "inbetween".

\starttext

\setupitemgroup
  [itemize][1]
  [   before={\endgraf{\ttbf[before]}\endgraf},
   inbetween={\endgraf{\ttbf [inbetween]}\endgraf},
   after={\endgraf{\ttbf [after]}\endgraf}]

\startitemize
\startitem Choose the correct answer.
\startitemize
\item This one
\item This one
\stopitemize
\stopitem
\startitem Choose the correct answer.
\startitemize
\item This one
\item This one
\stopitemize
\stopitem
\stopitemize

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing between chapters in TOC

[jbf]

Thanks Wolfgang. Sometimes what we think is intuitive (I had just 
assumed that some sort of para indentation might do it) is not so! And 
yes, I had already worked out the before and after keys.


Many thanks,

Julian

On 2/6/20 2:30 pm, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

jbf schrieb am 02.06.2020 um 03:05:

Hi list,

I want my table of contents to look like:

Chapter 1
    section   5
    section  10
    section  15

In other words with section items indented.

I presumed I would need to do something with \setuplist[section]. I 
know how to control interline distance, whitespace, but in this 
instance, not indentation of certain lines in a toc. I tried 
\setuplist[section][indenting=yes] and even indentation=yes in the 
hope that existed. It doesn't, at least not used this way.


To change the vertical space between entries you use the before and 
after keys (this does *not* change the interline space), e.g.


    \setuplist[...][before=\blank, after={\blank[2*line]}]

and to indent entries you use the margin key, e.g.

    \setuplist[...][margin=2em]

but this is unrelated to paragraph indentation.

Wolfgang


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Re: [NTG-context] spacing between chapters in TOC

[Wolfgang Schuster]

jbf schrieb am 02.06.2020 um 03:05:

Hi list,

I want my table of contents to look like:

Chapter 1
    section   5
    section  10
    section  15

In other words with section items indented.

I presumed I would need to do something with \setuplist[section]. I 
know how to control interline distance, whitespace, but in this 
instance, not indentation of certain lines in a toc. I tried 
\setuplist[section][indenting=yes] and even indentation=yes in the 
hope that existed. It doesn't, at least not used this way.


To change the vertical space between entries you use the before and 
after keys (this does *not* change the interline space), e.g.


    \setuplist[...][before=\blank, after={\blank[2*line]}]

and to indent entries you use the margin key, e.g.

    \setuplist[...][margin=2em]

but this is unrelated to paragraph indentation.

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing after combination

[Alan Braslau]

On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 22:32:39 +0200
Marco Patzer  wrote:

> However, I'd prefer to not have another environment around the
> combinations, but if there's no other way, I'd settle for your
> approach. So far that seems to be the best choice.

A combination is a construction, not really an "environment".

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing after combination

[Marco Patzer]

On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 21:09:15 +0200
Wolfgang Schuster  wrote:

> A alternative to using floats is to put the combination in a 
> linecorrection environment, i.e.
> 
> \startlinecorrection
>    \startcombination [2*2]
>    ...
>    \stopcombination
> \stoplinecorrection
> 
> or
> 
> \startlinecorrection[blank]
>    \startcombination [2*2]
>    ...
>    \stopcombination
> \stoplinecorrection

I hadn't thought of this. That's better suited than a float.
However, I'd prefer to not have another environment around the
combinations, but if there's no other way, I'd settle for your
approach. So far that seems to be the best choice.

Thanks for the quick response.

Marco
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing after combination

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Willi Egger schrieb am 16.07.2019 um 20:46:

Marco,

there is a \setupcombination command:

\setupcombination [...,...] [..,..=..,..]
1 NAME
2 nx
ny
width height location distance alternative align continue before after 
inbetween style
color
OPT
= NUMBER
= NUMBER
= fit DIMENSION
= fit DIMENSION
= left middle right top bottom = DIMENSION
= label text
= inherits: \setupalign
= yes no
= COMMAND
= COMMAND
= COMMAND
= STYLE COMMAND
= COLOR

I hope this will enable you to get what you want.
None of these options is applied at the begin or end of the environment 
(use the following setup in the example).


\setupcombination
  [   before={\endgraf{\tttf    [before]}\endgraf},
   after={\endgraf{\tttf [after]}\endgraf},
   inbetween={\endgraf{\tttf [inbetween]}\endgraf}]


A alternative to using floats is to put the combination in a 
linecorrection environment, i.e.


\startlinecorrection
  \startcombination [2*2]
  ...
  \stopcombination
\stoplinecorrection

or

\startlinecorrection[blank]
  \startcombination [2*2]
  ...
  \stopcombination
\stoplinecorrection

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing after combination

[Willi Egger]

Marco,

there is a \setupcombination command:

\setupcombination [...,...] [..,..=..,..]
1 NAME
2 nx
ny
width height location distance alternative align continue before after 
inbetween style
color
OPT
= NUMBER
= NUMBER
= fit DIMENSION
= fit DIMENSION
= left middle right top bottom = DIMENSION
= label text
= inherits: \setupalign
= yes no
= COMMAND
= COMMAND
= COMMAND
= STYLE COMMAND
= COLOR

I hope this will enable you to get what you want.

Willi

> On 16 Jul 2019, at 17:08, Marco Patzer  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Is there a way to influence the spacing after a combination is
> placed?
> 
> \useMPlibrary [dum]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \startcombination [2*2]
>  \startcontent \externalfigure  \stopcontent
>  \startcaption Foo\stopcaption
>  \startcontent \externalfigure  \stopcontent
>  \startcaption Bar\stopcaption
>  \startcontent \externalfigure  \stopcontent
>  \startcaption Lorem  \stopcaption
>  \startcontent \externalfigure  \stopcontent
>  \startcaption Ipsum  \stopcaption
> \stopcombination
> 
> \samplefile{knuth}
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> I know I could wrap it in a float and use the float to control the
> spacing, but it would be great if I could do without that float.
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing between text and footnote line

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Huseyin Özoguz schrieb am 24.03.19 um 16:23:
Thank you both, that was my mistake: Instead of copy&pasting I wrote: 
"setupnotation" (which I used already), not setupnote.


Btw: The default setup seems to be two lines distance, is that a 
correct understanding?
It’s only a single line but the rule itself adds additional vertical 
space which results in two lines.


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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing between text and footnote line

[Huseyin Özoguz]

On 3/24/19 3:50 PM, Huseyin Özoguz wrote:
>/[...] />/Thanks, but that does not work. It only changes the distance between the 
/>/footnote-line and the footnote-text. But I want to manipulate the />/distance above 
the footnote-line: between the (standard) text and the />/footnote-line. /
Hi Huseyin,

it isn’t clear (at least, to me) what you mean with the footnote line
(there is a rule for all footnotes).

I think that the "before" key from \setupnote does exactly what you say
you want: specify the distance between the rule and the main text.

You might use the "before" key in \setupnotation, but that will alter
the space before in all footnotes.

Maybe you might check the i-context.pdf document (on pages 233 and 234)
to check the options for both the \setupnotation (the individual note)
and \setupnote (the notes group). (It comes with the ConTeXt Suite
distribution, tex/texmf-context/tex/context/interface/mkiv/i-context.pdf)

Just in case it might help,

Pablo


Thank you pablo, it was just my mistake, I confused the both. Thanks for 
the reference, I will check it out.


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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing between text and footnote line

[Huseyin Özoguz]

Thank you both, that was my mistake: Instead of copy&pasting I wrote: 
"setupnotation" (which I used already), not setupnote.


Btw: The default setup seems to be two lines distance, is that a correct 
understanding?


It works fine, thanks Tomáš!

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Am 24.03.2019 um 16:02 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

Huseyin Özoguz schrieb am 24.03.19 um 15:50:



Hello,

one way could be

\setupnote[footnote][before={\blank[10*big]}]

Best wishes,

Tomáš

Thanks, but that does not work. It only changes the distance between 
the footnote-line and the footnote-text. But I want to manipulate the 
distance above the footnote-line: between the (standard) text and the 
footnote-line.




Can you give a example for this because Tomas solution works for me.

Wolfgang


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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing between text and footnote line

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 3/24/19 3:50 PM, Huseyin Özoguz wrote:
> [...]
> Thanks, but that does not work. It only changes the distance between the
> footnote-line and the footnote-text. But I want to manipulate the
> distance above the footnote-line: between the (standard) text and the
> footnote-line.

Hi Huseyin,

it isn’t clear (at least, to me) what you mean with the footnote line
(there is a rule for all footnotes).

I think that the "before" key from \setupnote does exactly what you say
you want: specify the distance between the rule and the main text.

You might use the "before" key in \setupnotation, but that will alter
the space before in all footnotes.

Maybe you might check the i-context.pdf document (on pages 233 and 234)
to check the options for both the \setupnotation (the individual note)
and \setupnote (the notes group). (It comes with the ConTeXt Suite
distribution, tex/texmf-context/tex/context/interface/mkiv/i-context.pdf)

Just in case it might help,

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing between text and footnote line

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Huseyin Özoguz schrieb am 24.03.19 um 15:50:



Hello,

one way could be

\setupnote[footnote][before={\blank[10*big]}]

Best wishes,

Tomáš

Thanks, but that does not work. It only changes the distance between 
the footnote-line and the footnote-text. But I want to manipulate the 
distance above the footnote-line: between the (standard) text and the 
footnote-line.




Can you give a example for this because Tomas solution works for me.

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing between text and footnote line

[Huseyin Özoguz]

Hello,

one way could be

\setupnote[footnote][before={\blank[10*big]}]

Best wishes,

Tomáš

Thanks, but that does not work. It only changes the distance between the 
footnote-line and the footnote-text. But I want to manipulate the 
distance above the footnote-line: between the (standard) text and the 
footnote-line.


Huseyin

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing between text and footnote line

[Tomas Hala]

Hello,

one way could be 

\setupnote[footnote][before={\blank[10*big]}]

Best wishes,

Tomáš 


Sun, Mar 24, 2019 ve 02:22:34PM +0100 Huseyin Özoguz napsal(a):
# Hello,
# 
# how an I change the distance between the text and the line of the
# footnotes? See this min-example:
# 
# \setuplayout[grid=yes]
# \showgrid
# \starttext
# First sentence.\footnote{Test.}
# \dorecurse{5}{\input knuth}
# \stoptext
# 
# That produces two lines distance between the footnote-line and the
# last line of the text on the first page. How can I reduce or
# increment it?
# 
# Thank you!
# Huseyin
# 
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Hans Hagen schrieb am 09.11.18 um 17:01:
- the new mixed column code has been around for even longer (and 
always was default on my machine) btu the old code is available as module


A big difference between the old columns environment and the new mixed 
columns code is that the new environment uses grid snapping by default 
which can result in blank lines in the output.


Below is a simplified version of Henning problems which produces an 
blank line when you use bold text.



\showboxes

\starttext

\startcolumns[balance=no]

\snaptogrid[]\hbox{\setstrut\begstrut Ward\endstrut}

\samplefile{ward}

\snaptogrid[]\hbox{\bf\setstrut\begstrut Ward\endstrut}

\samplefile{ward}

\stopcolumns

\stoptext


Two simple ways to get rid of the blank line are

1. to disable the strut for the section or

2. to disable the grid snapping for the section.


\showboxes

\setuphead[section][before=,after=]
\setuphead[section][style=bold]

\define[1]\Sample
  {\begingroup
 \setuphead[section][#1]
 \section{Ward \doifsomething{#1}{\tttf [#1]}}
 \samplefile{ward}\par
   \endgroup}

\starttext

\startcolumns[balance=no]

\Sample{}

\Sample{style=}

\Sample{strut=no}

\Sample{grid=no}

\stopcolumns

\stoptext


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Re: [NTG-context] spacing

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On 11/9/2018 2:40 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Am 2018-11-08 um 23:51 schrieb Henri Menke :


Clearly you haven't understood the meaning of “beta”.


Thank you for educating me.


If you don't want your documents to break, don't update.


Since when?
I started using ConTeXt in 1999 and don’t expect my MkII code to work any more.
I’m still kind of an evangelist for ConTeXt, but that doesn’t protect me from 
getting very frustrated at times.

It seems to me that the replacement of the column layout code was premature, 
when it breaks heading setup, frame handling and can’t handle columns that 
don’t start at the top of a page.
- the new columnset code has been around for a while now and has become 
default ... the old code is a module


- the new mixed column code has been around for even longer (and always 
was default on my machine) btu the old code is available as module


both old mechanism were only partially adapted to mkiv and i bet that 
there were side effects


- the new page columns mode is the way to go for columns with floats etc

so we have three mkiv column models and two old ones available as 
modules (i expect them to keep working more or less ok but nothing will 
be changed in them)


Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] spacing

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On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 15:05:59 +0100
Tomas Hala  wrote:

> I solve the same problem for ages... I decided for fixed time points

If it may be useful: I keep a very short-term backup so that when
things "break" or change, I can easily backtrack to a working copy.
I update using the following shell script:

#!/bin/sh
CONTEXTHOME=${HOME}/context
if [ ! -d ${CONTEXTHOME}/beta ] ; then
mkdir -p ${CONTEXTHOME}/beta
fi
if [ ! -d ${CONTEXTHOME}/previous ] ; then
mkdir -p ${CONTEXTHOME}/previous
fi
cd ${CONTEXTHOME}/beta
echo "*** move current to previous ***"
rsync -av --delete --progress . ../previous
echo "*** update beta ***"
rsync -ptv --progress rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh . 
2>&1 | tee first-setup.log

./first-setup.sh --modules=all --fonts=all --engine=luatex 2>&1 | tee -a 
first-setup.log



This will not help against any undetected changes that may go unnoticed
for a while between different projects, but does protect me against
immediate "bugs".

Hans has suggested keeping a ConTeXt standalone copy in each separate
project file, as it is small enough that such duplication does not take
up too much space. (As we strip-down the distribution and as storage
space becomes bigger and bigger, this should not be a problem.) The
advantage of having a copy associated with a project is that one can
come back, years later even, and produce *exactly* the same output.

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing

[Hans Hagen]

On 11/9/2018 1:50 PM, Clyde Johnston wrote:

Clearly you haven't understood the meaning of “beta”.
If you don't want your documents to break, don't update.


Does ConTeXt have an LTS (long-term stable) release?


just save your tree (or multiple)

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing

[Tomas Hala]

Hi,

I solve the same problem for ages... I decided for fixed time points related
with new edition of TeXlive. 

Advantages:

TeXlive versions (from my point of view) are most stable.
You really can compile your files repeatedly getting the same result.

Disadvantages:

You have to store all TeXlive editions.
All TeXlive editions are space demanding.
You have make notes on your files/projects which version was used.
You cannot use new features if you are going to refresh the project.

This is my way but maybe there is something better.
[I work ConTeXt since 2010 and only with MkIV.]

Best wishes,

Tomas



Fri, Nov 09, 2018 ve 02:40:30PM +0100 Henning Hraban Ramm napsal(a):
# Am 2018-11-08 um 23:51 schrieb Henri Menke :
# 
# > Clearly you haven't understood the meaning of “beta”.
# 
# Thank you for educating me.
# 
# > If you don't want your documents to break, don't update.
# 
# Since when?
# I started using ConTeXt in 1999 and don’t expect my MkII code to work any 
more.
# I’m still kind of an evangelist for ConTeXt, but that doesn’t protect me from 
getting very frustrated at times.
# 
# It seems to me that the replacement of the column layout code was premature, 
when it breaks heading setup, frame handling and can’t handle columns that 
don’t start at the top of a page.
# 
# 
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2018-11-08 um 23:51 schrieb Henri Menke :

> Clearly you haven't understood the meaning of “beta”.

Thank you for educating me.

> If you don't want your documents to break, don't update.

Since when?
I started using ConTeXt in 1999 and don’t expect my MkII code to work any more.
I’m still kind of an evangelist for ConTeXt, but that doesn’t protect me from 
getting very frustrated at times.

It seems to me that the replacement of the column layout code was premature, 
when it breaks heading setup, frame handling and can’t handle columns that 
don’t start at the top of a page.


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Re: [NTG-context] spacing

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> Clearly you haven't understood the meaning of “beta”.
> If you don't want your documents to break, don't update.

Does ConTeXt have an LTS (long-term stable) release?


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Re: [NTG-context] spacing

[Henri Menke]

On 9/11/18 11:41 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Thank you, I only tried \usemodule[old-columnsets] before.
> 
> It’s really annoying if ConTeXt proves unreliable time and again.
> I’m trying to replace InDesign in my workflows as often as possible, but if I 
> need to check and rework my environments with every other beta, it’s no fun 
> and costs a lot of time.

Clearly you haven't understood the meaning of “beta”.
If you don't want your documents to break, don't update.

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> Am 2018-11-08 um 18:32 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster 
> :
> 
>> The columns environment uses now the newer mixedcolumns mechanism which is 
>> the reason for the differences in your document.
>>
>> To use the older columns mechanism add \usemodule[old-multicolumns] to your 
>> document.
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
>>
>> Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 07.11.18 um 22:53:
>>> In the last days I recognized that some of my ConTeXt projects behave 
>>> differently WRT spacing, not only with \framed, but also with heads - 
>>> everywhere there’s more space induced than before.
>>> The attached screenshot shows an example of before and after.
>>>
>>> The headings are set up like
>>>
>>> \setuphead[section,subject][page=no,
>>> before={\testpage[7]\blank},after=,
>>> previousnumber=no, sectionsegments=section]
>>> \setuphead[subsection,subsubject][style={\bf},
>>> before={\testpage[7]\blank[small]},after=,
>>> sectionsegments=section:subsection]
>>>
>>> "1 Aufnahme" is a section, "1.1" is a subsection; I always use the 
>>> start/stop version.
>>>
>>> To get back to the old behaviour, I need to replace the \blank commands 
>>> with a negative vskip of font size!
>>> And then there’s still space inserted if the heading starts at the top of a 
>>> column.
>>>
>>> I tried to come up with a MWE – headingspacetest.tex shows at least that 
>>> there’s always space inserted before section headers.
>>>
>>> It might be related to some font handling, since the spacing changes affect 
>>> different "things" in different projects – frames with my label stickers 
>>> and on my magazine covers, headings like here. Or maybe the changes are 
>>> unrelated.
>>>
>>> This change happened between ConTeXt versions 2018.07.27 and 2018.09.01. I 
>>> didn’t change my code.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately there are no older versions of ConTeXt to go back to any more.
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Thank you, I only tried \usemodule[old-columnsets] before.

It’s really annoying if ConTeXt proves unreliable time and again.
I’m trying to replace InDesign in my workflows as often as possible, but if I 
need to check and rework my environments with every other beta, it’s no fun and 
costs a lot of time.

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Am 2018-11-08 um 18:32 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster 
:

> The columns environment uses now the newer mixedcolumns mechanism which is 
> the reason for the differences in your document.
> 
> To use the older columns mechanism add \usemodule[old-multicolumns] to your 
> document.
> 
> Wolfgang
> 
> 
> Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 07.11.18 um 22:53:
>> In the last days I recognized that some of my ConTeXt projects behave 
>> differently WRT spacing, not only with \framed, but also with heads - 
>> everywhere there’s more space induced than before.
>> The attached screenshot shows an example of before and after.
>> 
>> The headings are set up like
>> 
>> \setuphead[section,subject][page=no,
>>  before={\testpage[7]\blank},after=,
>>  previousnumber=no, sectionsegments=section]
>> \setuphead[subsection,subsubject][style={\bf},
>>  before={\testpage[7]\blank[small]},after=,
>>  sectionsegments=section:subsection]
>> 
>> "1 Aufnahme" is a section, "1.1" is a subsection; I always use the 
>> start/stop version.
>> 
>> To get back to the old behaviour, I need to replace the \blank commands with 
>> a negative vskip of font size!
>> And then there’s still space inserted if the heading starts at the top of a 
>> column.
>> 
>> I tried to come up with a MWE – headingspacetest.tex shows at least that 
>> there’s always space inserted before section headers.
>> 
>> It might be related to some font handling, since the spacing changes affect 
>> different "things" in different projects – frames with my label stickers and 
>> on my magazine covers, headings like here. Or maybe the changes are 
>> unrelated.
>> 
>> This change happened between ConTeXt versions 2018.07.27 and 2018.09.01. I 
>> didn’t change my code.
>> 
>> Unfortunately there are no older versions of ConTeXt to go back to any more.

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing

[Wolfgang Schuster]

The columns environment uses now the newer mixedcolumns mechanism which 
is the reason for the differences in your document.


To use the older columns mechanism add \usemodule[old-multicolumns] to 
your document.


Wolfgang


Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 07.11.18 um 22:53:

In the last days I recognized that some of my ConTeXt projects behave 
differently WRT spacing, not only with \framed, but also with heads - 
everywhere there’s more space induced than before.
The attached screenshot shows an example of before and after.

The headings are set up like

\setuphead[section,subject][page=no,
before={\testpage[7]\blank},after=,
previousnumber=no, sectionsegments=section]
\setuphead[subsection,subsubject][style={\bf},
before={\testpage[7]\blank[small]},after=,
sectionsegments=section:subsection]

"1 Aufnahme" is a section, "1.1" is a subsection; I always use the start/stop 
version.

To get back to the old behaviour, I need to replace the \blank commands with a 
negative vskip of font size!
And then there’s still space inserted if the heading starts at the top of a 
column.

I tried to come up with a MWE – headingspacetest.tex shows at least that 
there’s always space inserted before section headers.

It might be related to some font handling, since the spacing changes affect different 
"things" in different projects – frames with my label stickers and on my 
magazine covers, headings like here. Or maybe the changes are unrelated.

This change happened between ConTeXt versions 2018.07.27 and 2018.09.01. I 
didn’t change my code.

Unfortunately there are no older versions of ConTeXt to go back to any more.




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Re: [NTG-context] spacing in notes

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Pablo Rodriguez 
11. Januar 2016 um 06:53
Dear list,

I have this sample:

\showframe
\setuppapersize[A7]
\setupnotation[footnote][width=broad]
\starttext
\footnote{\input zapf}
\stoptext

I need better spacing in footnotes (to avoid horizontal overflows).

I thought "width=broad" would improve the situation, but it didn’t
change anything.

What am I doing wrong here?
You have to change the alignment values. Instead of "stretch" which 
allows ConTeXt

to put larger spaces between word you can use font expansion.

\setupnotation[footnote][align={verytolerant,stretch}]

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing with enumeration...

[Willi Egger]

Wolfgang, thank you for the explanation. This makes indeed sense!

Best wishes

Willi
On 5 okt. 2014, at 22:21, Thangalin  wrote:

> Try this:
> 
> \defineenumeration[OtherMeaning][
>  text=,
>  headstyle=normal,
>  alternative={left}, %,serried
>  distance=0pt,
>  width=20pt,
>  stopper=\high{o},
>  inbetween=,
>  before={\blank[small]},
>  after={\blank[small]},
>  inbetween=,
> ]
> 
> \setupnarrower[
>  before={\blank[big]},
>  after={\blank[big]},
> ]
> 
> \starttext
> {\bf Ton}
> 
> \startnarrower
>  \startOtherMeaning
>Inhoudsmaat van een schip, die 1000 kilo \dots
>  \stopOtherMeaning
>  \startOtherMeaning
>Tonvormige boei \dots
>  \stopOtherMeaning
> \stopnarrower
> 
> {\bf Tong,} z. n. v.
> 
> \startnarrower
>  Split van een standaard. \dots
> \stopnarrower
> \stoptext
> 
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> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupdescriptions
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing with enumeration...

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 05.10.2014 um 23:23 schrieb Willi Egger :

> Hi Thangalin!
> 
> thank you for your reply. It does what I was looking for. I had already 
> inbetween= in my definition, which I thought would be to adjust the spacing 
> inside a row of enumeration-items… But the before and after commands do the 
> trick. Even the width is great, I adjusted the value a little bit and now the 
> enumerations look precisely as I had it in mind.

The in-between key controls the vertical space between the enumeration title 
and text when the title appears on top (alternative=top) of the enumeration 
content.

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing with enumeration...

[Willi Egger]

Hi Thangalin!

thank you for your reply. It does what I was looking for. I had already 
inbetween= in my definition, which I thought would be to adjust the spacing 
inside a row of enumeration-items… But the before and after commands do the 
trick. Even the width is great, I adjusted the value a little bit and now the 
enumerations look precisely as I had it in mind.

Thank you very much.

Willi
On 5 okt. 2014, at 22:21, Thangalin  wrote:

> Try this:
> 
> \defineenumeration[OtherMeaning][
>  text=,
>  headstyle=normal,
>  alternative={left}, %,serried
>  distance=0pt,
>  width=20pt,
>  stopper=\high{o},
>  inbetween=,
>  before={\blank[small]},
>  after={\blank[small]},
>  inbetween=,
> ]
> 
> \setupnarrower[
>  before={\blank[big]},
>  after={\blank[big]},
> ]
> 
> \starttext
> {\bf Ton}
> 
> \startnarrower
>  \startOtherMeaning
>Inhoudsmaat van een schip, die 1000 kilo \dots
>  \stopOtherMeaning
>  \startOtherMeaning
>Tonvormige boei \dots
>  \stopOtherMeaning
> \stopnarrower
> 
> {\bf Tong,} z. n. v.
> 
> \startnarrower
>  Split van een standaard. \dots
> \stopnarrower
> \stoptext
> 
> See also:
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/defineenumeration
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupdescriptions
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing with enumeration...

[Thangalin]

Try this:

\defineenumeration[OtherMeaning][
  text=,
  headstyle=normal,
  alternative={left}, %,serried
  distance=0pt,
  width=20pt,
  stopper=\high{o},
  inbetween=,
  before={\blank[small]},
  after={\blank[small]},
  inbetween=,
]

\setupnarrower[
  before={\blank[big]},
  after={\blank[big]},
]

\starttext
{\bf Ton}

\startnarrower
  \startOtherMeaning
Inhoudsmaat van een schip, die 1000 kilo \dots
  \stopOtherMeaning
  \startOtherMeaning
Tonvormige boei \dots
  \stopOtherMeaning
\stopnarrower

{\bf Tong,} z. n. v.

\startnarrower
  Split van een standaard. \dots
\stopnarrower
\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing: units in math

[Hans Hagen]

On 12/21/2012 7:36 PM, Andreas Mang wrote:


Just that you know: I still observe a tiny difference in the blank space 
between numbers and times symbol (\times) when comparing math mode to standard 
text mode (minimal example below). AFAIK this does not make a difference. If I 
find the time i might just put every unit stuff into math mode (for consistency 
reasons). So my document is ready for being published (in this respect). It 
just still lacks content :)


math spacing will always be somewhat different

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing: units in math

[Andreas Mang]

Dear Hans,

> On 12/19/2012 7:18 PM, Andreas Mang wrote:
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> sorry for being such a pain in the neck.
>> 
>> Is there going to be a solution considering the spacing problems with the 
>> use of units (native mkiv command) in near future (within 2-3 weeks)? If 
>> there is none and I am not doing something wrong, I'll add a local work 
>> around every time I use units. As this is much work, I'd appreciate if 
>> someone told me if this is something that might be fixed soon. If not I'm 
>> good - I just need to know.
>> 
>> Explanation of my problem: Maybe I am doing something wrong, but in the 
>> resulting document the spacing is bigger in math mode then in the text mode 
>> in case I use \units{...}. In particular, the distance for the decimal 
>> separator is as if I would type $1,2$ instead of $1{,}2$ (example: 
>> $\units{1,2}$)..
> 
> can you try
> 
> \appendtoks
> \disablemathpunctuation
> \to \everyunits

Thanks for looking into this. The problem with the decimal separator is solved. 
You made my day with just 4 commands!

Just that you know: I still observe a tiny difference in the blank space 
between numbers and times symbol (\times) when comparing math mode to standard 
text mode (minimal example below). AFAIK this does not make a difference. If I 
find the time i might just put every unit stuff into math mode (for consistency 
reasons). So my document is ready for being published (in this respect). It 
just still lacks content :)

Happy holidays to all of you.

Andreas


% MINIMAL EXAMPLE

\appendtoks
\disablemathpunctuation
\to \everyunits

\starttext 
\unit{1,2e3 meter}

$\unit{1,2e3 meter}$
\stoptext

% MINIMAL EXAMPLE
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing: units in math

[Hans Hagen]

On 12/19/2012 7:18 PM, Andreas Mang wrote:

Hi there,

sorry for being such a pain in the neck.

Is there going to be a solution considering the spacing problems with the use 
of units (native mkiv command) in near future (within 2-3 weeks)? If there is 
none and I am not doing something wrong, I'll add a local work around every 
time I use units. As this is much work, I'd appreciate if someone told me if 
this is something that might be fixed soon. If not I'm good - I just need to 
know.

Explanation of my problem: Maybe I am doing something wrong, but in the 
resulting document the spacing is bigger in math mode then in the text mode in 
case I use \units{...}. In particular, the distance for the decimal separator 
is as if I would type $1,2$ instead of $1{,}2$ (example: $\units{1,2}$)..


can you try

\appendtoks
\disablemathpunctuation
\to \everyunits




Thanks.

Cheers,
Andreas

Am Dec 11, 2012 um 1:49 PM schrieb Andreas Mang :


Hi,

I still do have problems with a wrong spacing between number and unit in math 
mode (minimal example below). Clearly, I could do something like

$\alpha = $ \unit{1,2 meter}

but I think this is likely to result in problems with the look of the result in 
case this is close to a line break.

Cheers,
Andreas

 MINIMAL EXAMPLE 
\starttext
\unit{1,2 meter} % what I would expect

$\unit{1,2 meter}$ % wrong spacing

$\unit{1{,}2 meter}$ % there is no output after "1"
\stoptext
 MINIMAL EXAMPLE 


Am Nov 30, 2012 um 8:43 PM schrieb Romain Diss :


Le jeudi 29 novembre 2012, Andreas Mang a écrit :

Hi there,

I encountered some problems with the built in units command in MKIV. I
provide a minimal example which should demonstrate my problems. Maybe I am
doing something wrong...

\setupbodyfont[pagella]
\starttext
\unit{11,1e-1 micro mol per second} \par
$\unit{11,1e-1 micro mol per second}$ \par
\unit{11,1e-1 per second} \par
\unit{11,1e-1 / second} \par
\stoptext

Don't know for the first two, but the last two should be replaced by:
\unit{11,1e-1 inverse second}

All the best.


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Re: [NTG-context] spacing: units in math

[Andreas Mang]

Hi there,

sorry for being such a pain in the neck. 

Is there going to be a solution considering the spacing problems with the use 
of units (native mkiv command) in near future (within 2-3 weeks)? If there is 
none and I am not doing something wrong, I'll add a local work around every 
time I use units. As this is much work, I'd appreciate if someone told me if 
this is something that might be fixed soon. If not I'm good - I just need to 
know.

Explanation of my problem: Maybe I am doing something wrong, but in the 
resulting document the spacing is bigger in math mode then in the text mode in 
case I use \units{...}. In particular, the distance for the decimal separator 
is as if I would type $1,2$ instead of $1{,}2$ (example: $\units{1,2}$).  

Thanks.

Cheers,
Andreas

Am Dec 11, 2012 um 1:49 PM schrieb Andreas Mang :

> Hi,
> 
> I still do have problems with a wrong spacing between number and unit in math 
> mode (minimal example below). Clearly, I could do something like
> 
> $\alpha = $ \unit{1,2 meter}
> 
> but I think this is likely to result in problems with the look of the result 
> in case this is close to a line break.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andreas
> 
>  MINIMAL EXAMPLE 
> \starttext
> \unit{1,2 meter} % what I would expect
> 
> $\unit{1,2 meter}$ % wrong spacing
> 
> $\unit{1{,}2 meter}$ % there is no output after "1"
> \stoptext
>  MINIMAL EXAMPLE 
> 
> 
> Am Nov 30, 2012 um 8:43 PM schrieb Romain Diss :
> 
>> Le jeudi 29 novembre 2012, Andreas Mang a écrit :
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> I encountered some problems with the built in units command in MKIV. I
>>> provide a minimal example which should demonstrate my problems. Maybe I am
>>> doing something wrong...
>>> 
>>> \setupbodyfont[pagella]
>>> \starttext
>>> \unit{11,1e-1 micro mol per second} \par 
>>> $\unit{11,1e-1 micro mol per second}$ \par
>>> \unit{11,1e-1 per second} \par
>>> \unit{11,1e-1 / second} \par
>>> \stoptext
>> Don't know for the first two, but the last two should be replaced by:
>> \unit{11,1e-1 inverse second}
>> 
>> All the best.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing and font problem with \chemical inside display math

[Alan BRASLAU]

We are currently in the process of a complete re-write of the chemical macros. 
In fact, we are almost finished and Hans is including the new macros in the 
beta (as fast as he can keep up with my changes...).

In your example, I see the spacing problem in display math but do not see the 
font problem. Maybe Hans can fix this extra spacing problem.

Rather than display math (as was suggested with ppchTeX), we have now introduced
\startchemicalformula
\stopchemicalformula
in order to "display" a chemical formula.

Also, I'm not sure why you might want to put \chemical{} within a \text 
command; may I suggest either \type{\chemical{CO_2}} or {\tt typewriter 
\chemical{CO_2}}, depending upon what you want to achieve.

Alan


On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:41:56 +0100
Romain Diss  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I found what I suppose to be a bug with the \chemical command:
> - when one use \chemical inside display math, the spacing is wrong around the 
> \chemical stuff. The font change inside \chemical also persists outside the 
> command.
> - if one enclose the \chemical command into curly braces, the font problem do 
> not appear but the spaces are still wrong.
> - if one put the \chemical command inside a \text{} command, ConTeXt stops 
> with an error.
> These problems do not occur in inline math.
> 
> Here is a minimal example:
> 
> %% START
> \starttext
> 
> Chemical within inline math: \m{M(\chemical{CO_2})} or
> \m{M(\text{\chemical{CO_2}})}. This works fine.
> 
> Chemical in display math: \startformula M(\chemical{CO_2}) \stopformula gives
> some strange spacing and seems to modify the font outside \tex{chemical}.
> 
> Chemical in display math: \startformula M({\chemical{CO_2}}) \stopformula
> corrects the font problem but still gives some strange spacing.
> 
> %Chemical inside \text in display math: \startformula 
> %M(\text{\chemical{CO_2}}) \stopformula gives an error.
> 
> \stoptext
> %% END
> 
> Anyone has an idea to solve this?
> 
> Thanks in advance.

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing and font problem with \chemical inside display math

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing around integrals

[Hans Hagen]

On 11/6/2012 5:22 PM, Otared Kavian wrote:

Dear Dalyoung,

I can confirm that there is still a serious issue with the way mkiv handles the 
bounds of integral signs, and this has been reported several times by Aditya, 
myself and others.
In particular the latest beta (version 2012.11.06 09:56) handles the bounds 
somwhat inconsistently, depending on the fonts used:
• with the default LM fonts, the bounds of the integral sign are 
correct in displayed maths, but are too close whith inline maths;
• with the default xits fonts, the bounds of the integral sign are too 
far away in displayed maths, but are a little bit far whith inline maths.

Here are the source file for my testing and the resulting PDF file. PLease 
typeset the file both with mkii and mkiv to see the differences.
Hans did some changes recently, which resulted in a better behaviour of the 
bug, but still the problem is not completely solved.


The problem with integrals is that we need to support new fonts as well 
as old ones. One issue is that the width of an integral sign is not the 
real with but has some interference with italic corrections. Also, older 
versions of luatex has issues with this and for that context has some 
mechanisms that could deal with it. The current version of luatex has 
improved math so those hacks can go away. Also, math fonts have been 
adapted to the latest interpretations of the open type math 
specification (and those that don't ... well, lets forget about using 
them). In due time all math fonts will be real otf fonts, but I like to 
keep the virtual variant(s) around (as I've too much time invested in 
it, they server as example of defining virtual fonts, and as benchmark 
for traditional fonts).


At the same time we need to deal with italic corrections, in text, where 
open type does not have such a property, as well as in math, where fonts 
can have italic corrections but (as with more cases) the implementation 
of them can be limited.


Anyhow, I now trust luatex do some of that better than before (let's 
assume recent engines and fonts). However, some automagic italic 
correction between italic shapes and non italic shapes as well as math / 
text boundaries are still dealt with.


Yet another issue is that we have double and triple integrals so from 
now on that's also done differently for the virtual fonts (read: more 
mkiv like) as we had already the mechanisms for that in place.


So ... another attempt.

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing around integrals

[Jeong Dal]

Dear Otared,

Thank you for the sample files.
I may miss the follow-ups.

I'll check your samples and choose a good one for me.

Thank you again.

Best regards,

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Khaled Hosny]

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 05:34:47PM +0300, Janne Junnila wrote:
> Doesn't seem to be only macs, I'm on Linux using the latest beta. The
> PDF I get is like the one Michael sent earlier. I tried other
> calligraphic letters with the vrules, and it seems that some of them
> have similar issues, just not as striking as with P.

It was a bit buzzling, but I think I found it, it seems the lines:

italics = {
["xits-math"] = italics,
},

in xits-math.lfg (`mtxrun --find-file` to locate it), prevents the
application of italic correction for some reason, removing it resolves
the issue. I didn't experience it because I had a different
xits-math.lfg in my ~/texmf tree.

Hans, what those lines are supposed to do?

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Janne Junnila]

Doesn't seem to be only macs, I'm on Linux using the latest beta. The
PDF I get is like the one Michael sent earlier. I tried other
calligraphic letters with the vrules, and it seems that some of them
have similar issues, just not as striking as with P.

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Rogers, Michael K]

I'm using a Mac, too, with OSX 10.6, if that helps.

On May 29, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Andy Thomas wrote:

> Hello,
>
> it looks off on my computer (Mac 10.6 with preview and acrobat) and with the 
> context-standalone (from 1 hour ago). However, it does work with TL2011 (not 
> 12).
>
> Then, I copied (overwrote) the fonts from TL into the standalone (from 
> /Library/TeX/Root/texmf-dist/fonts/opentype/public/xits/ to 
> ~/context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/xits/) and deleted the cache. But 
> that did not help, the context standalone still produces the 'too-close P'. I 
> also tried the newest font files from yesterday, but still no luck. Hope that 
> help finding the bug.
>
> Andy
>
> P.S. Is there more to be considered than only the font files (the .otf s)?
>
>
>
> On 29.05.2012, at 14:39, Khaled Hosny wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:29:02PM +, Rogers, Michael K wrote:
>>>
>>> On May 29, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote:
>>>
 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 01:19:00PM +0300, Janne Junnila wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just noticed that the spacing after ${\cal P}$ looks a bit too tight
> (non-existent?) while using XITS fonts.
> ...

 Looks fine here (in my eyes at least), can you attach the resulting PDF?

 Regards,
 Khaled
>>>
>>> On this input:
>>>
>>> \setupbodyfont[xits]
>>> \starttext
>>> The spacing of ${\cal P}$ looks like this.\par
>>> The spacing of \vrule${\cal P}$\vrule looks like this.
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>>> I got similar to what Janne described.  See attached (beta ver.
>>> 2012.05.29 00:12).  Looks like the kerning might be a little off?
>>
>> Looks fine here, bot TL 2012 presets and up to date minimals.
>>
>> Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Andy Thomas]

Hello,

it looks off on my computer (Mac 10.6 with preview and acrobat) and with the 
context-standalone (from 1 hour ago). However, it does work with TL2011 (not 
12). 

Then, I copied (overwrote) the fonts from TL into the standalone (from 
/Library/TeX/Root/texmf-dist/fonts/opentype/public/xits/ to 
~/context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/xits/) and deleted the cache. But 
that did not help, the context standalone still produces the 'too-close P'. I 
also tried the newest font files from yesterday, but still no luck. Hope that 
help finding the bug. 

Andy

P.S. Is there more to be considered than only the font files (the .otf s)?



On 29.05.2012, at 14:39, Khaled Hosny wrote:

> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:29:02PM +, Rogers, Michael K wrote:
>> 
>> On May 29, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 01:19:00PM +0300, Janne Junnila wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I just noticed that the spacing after ${\cal P}$ looks a bit too tight
 (non-existent?) while using XITS fonts.
 ...
>>> 
>>> Looks fine here (in my eyes at least), can you attach the resulting PDF?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Khaled
>> 
>> On this input:
>> 
>> \setupbodyfont[xits]
>> \starttext
>> The spacing of ${\cal P}$ looks like this.\par
>> The spacing of \vrule${\cal P}$\vrule looks like this.
>> \stoptext
>> 
>> I got similar to what Janne described.  See attached (beta ver.
>> 2012.05.29 00:12).  Looks like the kerning might be a little off?
> 
> Looks fine here, bot TL 2012 presets and up to date minimals.
> 
> Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Khaled Hosny]

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:29:02PM +, Rogers, Michael K wrote:
> 
> On May 29, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 01:19:00PM +0300, Janne Junnila wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I just noticed that the spacing after ${\cal P}$ looks a bit too tight
> >> (non-existent?) while using XITS fonts.
> >> ...
> >
> > Looks fine here (in my eyes at least), can you attach the resulting PDF?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Khaled
> 
> On this input:
> 
> \setupbodyfont[xits]
> \starttext
> The spacing of ${\cal P}$ looks like this.\par
> The spacing of \vrule${\cal P}$\vrule looks like this.
> \stoptext
> 
> I got similar to what Janne described.  See attached (beta ver.
> 2012.05.29 00:12).  Looks like the kerning might be a little off?

Looks fine here, bot TL 2012 presets and up to date minimals.

Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Rogers, Michael K]

On May 29, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote:

> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 01:19:00PM +0300, Janne Junnila wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just noticed that the spacing after ${\cal P}$ looks a bit too tight
>> (non-existent?) while using XITS fonts.
>> ...
>
> Looks fine here (in my eyes at least), can you attach the resulting PDF?
>
> Regards,
> Khaled

On this input:

\setupbodyfont[xits]
\starttext
The spacing of ${\cal P}$ looks like this.\par
The spacing of \vrule${\cal P}$\vrule looks like this.
\stoptext

I got similar to what Janne described.  See attached (beta ver. 2012.05.29 
00:12).  Looks like the kerning might be a little off?

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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing for {\cal P} in XITS

[Khaled Hosny]

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 01:19:00PM +0300, Janne Junnila wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just noticed that the spacing after ${\cal P}$ looks a bit too tight
> (non-existent?) while using XITS fonts.
> 
> \setupbodyfont[xits]
> \starttext
> The spacing of ${\cal P}$ looks like this.
> \stoptext
> 
> I'm not sure if the other calligraphic letters are totally fine
> either, but this one caught my eye. I suppose it's a font issue. Any
> ideas?

Looks fine here (in my eyes at least), can you attach the resulting PDF?

Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing between floating figure caption and surrounding text

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello Hans,


sidespacebefore
sidespaceafter


Yes, I played with them, but did not understand their logic.
Is 'high' equals to sidespacebefore=0
'low' -- to sidespaceafter=0?

In other words, how to duplicate the effect of 'low' using sidespace 
options?


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Re: [NTG-context] spacing between floating figure caption and surrounding text

[Hans Hagen]

Taco Hoekwater wrote:


Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:

Hello,

Another question about figures. How to get rid of big spacing between
floating figure caption and surrounding text?

In the following example, I want the spacing between  "Figure 1" and the
text below to be twice less.


Normally, you would do \setupfloat[figure][after=] but that does not
seem to work very well for side floats, sorry.


sidespacebefore
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Re: [NTG-context] spacing between floating figure caption and surrounding text

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello Taco

Normally, you would do \setupfloat[figure][after=] but that does not
seem to work very well for side floats, sorry.
   

Thanks for trying to help! :)

Actually, I discovered from "It's in details" that

\placefigure[inner, low]{ }

is ok for my situation.

Another questions is: how to setup "low" parameter for all figures globally?

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing between floating figure caption and surrounding text

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Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Another question about figures. How to get rid of big spacing between
> floating figure caption and surrounding text?
> 
> In the following example, I want the spacing between  "Figure 1" and the
> text below to be twice less.

Normally, you would do \setupfloat[figure][after=] but that does not
seem to work very well for side floats, sorry.

Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] Spacing after \cite

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Taco Hoekwater  writes:

> Jesse Alama wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for helping out with this.  Is the second "#1" supposed to be
>> "#2"?  
>
> Yes,
>
>> In any case, this fix gives an error:
>
>
> Are you sure that is related? Perhaps you should create a test file.

Well, the problem seems to have gone away (after updating my local
minimals).  Thanks for the help!

Jesse

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Jesse Alama (al...@stanford.edu)

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