Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

Hi Matthew, On August 4, 2018 00:23:44 Matthew Harrigan wrote: One concern I have is the phrase "explicitly honour" in "we explicitly honour diversity in: age, culture, ...". Honour is a curious word choice. honour is defined as, among other things, "to worship", "high public esteem; fame;

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

One concern I have is the phrase "explicitly honour" in "we explicitly honour diversity in: age, culture, ...". Honour is a curious word choice. honour is defined as, among other things, "to worship", "high public esteem; fame; glory", and "a source of

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Stefan van der Walt wrote: > I'll note that at least the Contributor Covenant is pretty vague about >> enforcement: >> >> """ >> All complaints will be reviewed and investigated and will result in a >> response that is deemed necessary and appropriate to the

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

+1 for keeping the same CoC as Scipy, making a new thing just seems a bigger surface area to maintain. Personally I already assumed Scipy's "honour[ing] diversity in..." did not imply any protection of behaviours that violate the CoC *itself*, but if you wanted to be really explicit you could add

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

On August 3, 2018 20:51:00 Chris Barker wrote: I'll note that at least the Contributor Covenant is pretty vague about enforcement: """ All complaints will be reviewed and investigated and will result in a response that is deemed necessary and appropriate to the circumstances. """ I'd think

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 11:33 AM, Nelle Varoquaux wrote: I think what matters in code of conduct is community buy-in and the > discussions around it, more than the document itself. > This is a really good point. Though I think a community could still have that discussion around whether and which

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Chris Barker > wrote: > >> Given Jupyter, numpy, scipy, matplotlib?, etc, are all working on a CoC >> -- maybe we could have NumFocus take a lead on this for the whole community? >> > Nelle is right about

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Given Jupyter, numpy, scipy, matplotlib?, etc, are all working on a CoC -- > maybe we could have NumFocus take a lead on this for the whole community? > or adopt an existing one, like maybe: The Contributor Covenant

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

One other thought: Given Jupyter, numpy, scipy, matplotlib?, etc, are all working on a CoC -- maybe we could have NumFocus take a lead on this for the whole community? I think most (all?) of the NumFocus projects have essentially the same goals in this regard. -CHB On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 8:59 AM, Hameer Abbasi wrote > > > I’ve created a PR, and I’ve kept the language “not too stern”. > https://github.com/scipy/scipy/pull/9109 > Thanks -- for ease of this thread, the sentence Hameer added is: "We expect that you will extend the same courtesy and

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

> On 3. Aug 2018, at 17:44, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 2:04 AM, Matthew Brett > wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Stefan van der Walt > mailto:stef...@berkeley.edu>> wrote: > > On August 3, 2018 09:50:38 Robert Kern >

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 2:04 AM, Matthew Brett wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Stefan van der Walt > wrote: > > On August 3, 2018 09:50:38 Robert Kern wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:01 PM Robert Kern > wrote: > >>> > >>> Nope, concision is definitely not my

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 3:04 AM, Matthew Brett wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Stefan van der Walt > wrote: > > On August 3, 2018 09:50:38 Robert Kern wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:01 PM Robert Kern > wrote: > >>> > >>> Nope, concision is definitely not my

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

Hi, On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Stefan van der Walt wrote: > On August 3, 2018 09:50:38 Robert Kern wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:01 PM Robert Kern wrote: >>> >>> Nope, concision is definitely not my strength. But I hope I >>> made the argument clear, at least. >> >> >> No, wait.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

On August 3, 2018 10:35:57 Stefan van der Walt wrote: On August 3, 2018 09:50:38 Robert Kern wrote: On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:01 PM Robert Kern wrote: Nope, concision is definitely not my strength. But I hope I made the argument clear, at least. No, wait. I got it: Bad actors use

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

On August 3, 2018 09:50:38 Robert Kern wrote: On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:01 PM Robert Kern wrote: Nope, concision is definitely not my strength. But I hope I made the argument clear, at least. No, wait. I got it: Bad actors use "diversity of political beliefs" in bad faith as cover for

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 14:58:05 -0700 Nathaniel Smith wrote: > > Now if you see "religion" there, then what does that tell you? Maybe > it means that these people are really excited about protecting > oppressive religions. Or... maybe it means that they're opposed to > anti-semitism, Islamophobia,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:01 PM Robert Kern wrote: > Nope, concision is definitely not my strength. But I hope I > made the argument clear, at least. > No, wait. I got it: Bad actors use "diversity of political beliefs" in bad faith as cover for undermining the goals of the diversity

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

I think I'm going to leave it there for the time being and mute this thread until I get back from vacation. I know that's terribly rude, and you all have my abject apologies. -- Robert Kern ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@python.org

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:04 AM Charles R Harris wrote: > I was opposed to having a list in the first place, because the longer such > a list is, the more significant the omissions become. And indeed, the > arguments I have seen for omitting "politics" are that one should be > allowed to