Re: [Numpy-discussion] dtype confusion

2007-03-26 Thread Jan Strube
I'm afraid I'm not quite done with this, yet. There's still more I am confused about, even after reading the manual (again). There is something fundamentally weird about record arrays, that doesn't seem to click with me. Please have a look at this piece of code: import numpy as N newtype =

Re: [Numpy-discussion] New Operators in Python

2007-03-26 Thread René Bastian
Hello, I am interest both in numarray type multiplication and matrix type multiplication. But I am not shure that I can buy an Unicode keyboard. May be it would be possible to implement a class with user definissable (?) signs. My choice : a * b - numarray type multi a !* b - matrix --

[Numpy-discussion] nd_image.affine_transform edge effects

2007-03-26 Thread James Turner
PS... (sorry for all the posts, for anyone who isn't interested...) Agreed, it looks like aliasing. Nevertheless, any resampling procedure is supposed to deal with this internally, right? Either by lowpass filtering (traditional case), or by spline fitting (spline case as described by Unser

Re: [Numpy-discussion] nd_image.affine_transform edge effects

2007-03-26 Thread Zachary Pincus
Thanks for the information and the paper link, James. I certainly appreciate the perspective, and now see why the anti-aliasing and reconstruction filtering might best be left to clients of a resampling procedure. Hopefully at least some of the kinks in the spline interpolation (to date:

Re: [Numpy-discussion] New Operators in Python

2007-03-26 Thread dmitrey
The unicode keyboards sailing everywhere is just a matter of time And python 2-symbol operators soon will look obsolete, this will increase migrating from python to Sun fortress etc. I took a look at their unicode syntax for math formulas http://research.sun.com/projects/plrg/faq/NAS-CG.pdf it

Re: [Numpy-discussion] New Operators in Python

2007-03-26 Thread Zachary Pincus
Hi folks, Sorry to rain on this parade, but unicode variable names and/or other syntactic elements have already been rejected for Python 3: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3099/ Python 3000 source code won't use non-ASCII Unicode characters for anything except string literals or

[Numpy-discussion] Modular toolkit for Data Processing 2.1 released!

2007-03-26 Thread Tiziano Zito
MDP version 2.1 and symeig 1.2 have been released! What's new in version 2.1? -- - Fully compatible with NumpPy 1.0, the first stable release of the descendant of the Numeric python extension module - symeig project resumed and updated - For increased speed, scipy and

[Numpy-discussion] random state not portable?

2007-03-26 Thread Pietro Berkes
Dear Numpy devels, First of all, thank you for the great job done so far! We've been updating our MDP module, and had a chance to appreciate it. We found an issue in the random module: the random state contains an array of int32 or int64 depending on the architecture, making it not portable.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Colin J. Williams
Bill Baxter wrote: On 3/26/07, Colin J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Baxter wrote: This may sound silly, but I really think seeing all those brackets is what makes it feel wrong. Matlab's output doesn't put it in your face that your 4 is really a matrix([[4]]), even though that's

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Colin J. Williams
Alan G Isaac wrote: On 3/26/07, Alan G Isaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: finds itself in basic conflict with the idea that I ought to be able to iterate over the objects in an iterable container. I mean really, does this not feel wrong? :: for item in x: print item.__repr__()

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Modular toolkit for Data Processing 2.1 released!

2007-03-26 Thread Sven Schreiber
Tiziano Zito schrieb: The optional symeig module contains a Python wrapper for the LAPACK functions to solve the standard and generalized eigenvalue problems for symmetric (hermitian) positive definite matrices. Those specialized algorithms give an important speed-up with respect to the

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Colin J. Williams
Alan G Isaac wrote: Alan G Isaac wrote: So this :: x[1] matrix([[1, 0]]) feels wrong. (Similarly when iterating across rows.) Of course I realize that I can just :: x.A[1] array([1, 0]) On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Colin J. Williams apparently wrote: An array and

Re: [Numpy-discussion] New Operators in Python

2007-03-26 Thread Steven H. Rogers
Zachary Pincus wrote: Anyhow, feel free to disagree with me -- I'm no expert here. I'm only mentioning this as a public service to make it clear that most of what's being proposed in this thread is, for better or worse, 100% dead-in-the-water for Python 3, and the rest will have a

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Alan G Isaac
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Colin J. Williams apparently wrote: Perhaps things would be clearer if we thought of the constituent groups of data in a matrix as being themselves matrices. This thinking of is what you have suggested before. You need to explain why it is not begging the question.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adapting algorithm to accept Scipy sparse matrix

2007-03-26 Thread David Koch
Hi again, I want to select/access several columns from a sparse csc_matrix. The only way I could think of is the following enormously inefficient algorithm which basically initalizes a new lil_matrix (for assigments) and loops over all the specified columns and does sparse - dense - sparse. All

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Alan G Isaac
Alan G Isaac schrieb: X[1] array([3,4]) X[1,:] matrix([[3, 4]]) But again the point is: indexing for submatrices should produce matrices. Normal Python indexing should access the constituent arrays. On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Sven Schreiber apparently wrote: I think

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Sven Schreiber
Alan G Isaac schrieb: What feels wrong: iterating over a container does not give access to the contained objects. This is not Pythonic. If you iterate over the rows of the matrix, it feels natural to me to get the row vectors -- and as you know a 1d-array does not contain the information

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Alan G Isaac
Alan G Isaac schrieb: What feels wrong: iterating over a container does not give access to the contained objects. This is not Pythonic. On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Sven Schreiber apparently wrote: If you iterate over the rows of the matrix, it feels natural to me to get the row vectors

Re: [Numpy-discussion] header file location upon installation

2007-03-26 Thread Daniel Wheeler
On Mar 25, 2007, at 9:44 PM, Robert Kern wrote: For building extensions, either use numpy.distutils, which will take care of everything for you, or use numpy.get_include() to get the directory with headers. get_include() does the trick. Thanks for your help. -- Daniel Wheeler

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Tuning sparse stuff in NumPy

2007-03-26 Thread David Koch
On 3/26/07, Robert Cimrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you be more specific on which type of the sparse matrix storage did you use? Hi Robert, I used csc_matrix. /David ___ Numpy-discussion mailing list Numpy-discussion@scipy.org

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Alan G Isaac
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Sebastian Haase apparently wrote: A matrix is an object that you expect a certain (mathematical !) behavior from. If some object behaves intuitively right -- that's ultimately pythonic! The problem is, as I am not the only one to point out, this particular behavior is

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Tuning sparse stuff in NumPy

2007-03-26 Thread Robert Cimrman
David Koch wrote: On 3/26/07, Robert Cimrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you be more specific on which type of the sparse matrix storage did you use? Hi Robert, I used csc_matrix. OK, good. Would you mind measuring csc * csr, csc * csc, csr * csc and csr * csr? I am curious how

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Colin J. Williams
Alan G Isaac wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Colin J. Williams apparently wrote: Perhaps things would be clearer if we thought of the constituent groups of data in a matrix as being themselves matrices. This thinking of is what you have suggested before. You need to explain why it is not

[Numpy-discussion] fastest way to do multiplication with diagonal matrices from left or right

2007-03-26 Thread daniel . egloff
Dear list what is the fastet way to multiply with a diagonal matrix from left or right and without to build a square matrix from the diagonal. Here it what I am looking for: import numpy as N def diagmult(X, Y): Matrix multiplication X*Y where either X or Y is a diagonal matrix.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Array of Arrays

2007-03-26 Thread Pauli Virtanen
Alexander Michael kirjoitti: On 3/23/07, Nadav Horesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a = empty((5,7,4)) c = a[...,-1] Solely because I want to use the array with code that assumes it is working with two-dimensional arrays but yet only performs operations on the outer

Re: [Numpy-discussion] fastest way to do multiplication with diagonal matrices from left or right

2007-03-26 Thread Pietro Berkes
This is a small function I use to speed up multiplication with diagonal matrices. I don't know if it's the *fastest* way to do it, but it's pretty fast. def mult_diag(d, mtx, left=True): Multiply a full matrix by a diagonal matrix. This function should always be faster than dot.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] fastest way to do multiplication with diagonal matrices from left or right

2007-03-26 Thread Robert Kern
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list what is the fastet way to multiply with a diagonal matrix from left or right and without to build a square matrix from the diagonal. Use broadcasting to do your work for you. from numpy import array, newaxis diags = array([...]) mymatrix =

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Tuning sparse stuff in NumPy

2007-03-26 Thread David Koch
Ok, I did and the results are: csc * csc: 372.601957083 csc * csc: 3.90811300278 csr * csc: 15.3202679157 csr * csr: 3.84498214722 Mhm, quite insightful. Note, that in an operation X.transpose() * X, where X is csc_matrix, then X.tranpose() is automatically cast to csr_matrix. A re-cast to csc

Re: [Numpy-discussion] New Operators in Python

2007-03-26 Thread tan2
On 3/26/07, René Bastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May be it would be possible to implement a class with user definissable (?) signs. Yes, it is possible and is done. See this recipe to define an Infix operator class either: x |op| y or: x op y

Re: [Numpy-discussion] defmatrix.py

2007-03-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On 3/26/07, Nils Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles R Harris wrote: On 3/25/07, *Nils Wagner* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, snip Ok, things should be working now. In order to get rid of the scipy problems I just needed to rm the scipy package in

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On 3/26/07, Alan G Isaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Colin J. Williams apparently wrote: One would expect the iteration over A to return row vectors, represented by (1, n) matrices. This is again simple assertion. **Why** would one expect this? Some people clearly do not.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] defmatrix.py

2007-03-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
Charles R Harris wrote: On 3/26/07, *Nils Wagner* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles R Harris wrote: On 3/25/07, *Nils Wagner* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Alan G Isaac
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Colin J. Williams apparently wrote: One would expect the iteration over A to return row vectors, represented by (1, n) matrices. On 3/26/07, Alan G Isaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is again simple assertion. **Why** would one expect this? Some people clearly

Re: [Numpy-discussion] defmatrix.py

2007-03-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On 3/26/07, Travis Oliphant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles R Harris wrote: On 3/26/07, *Nils Wagner* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles R Harris wrote: On 3/25/07, *Nils Wagner* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Zachary Pincus
Since matrices are an iterable Python object, we *expect* to iterate over the contained objects. (Arrays.) I am not sure why this is not evident to all, but it is surely the sticking point in this discussion. A matrix is not a container of matrices. That it acts like one is surprsing.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
Alan G Isaac wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Colin J. Williams apparently wrote: One would expect the iteration over A to return row vectors, represented by (1, n) matrices. On 3/26/07, Alan G Isaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is again simple assertion. **Why**

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On 3/26/07, Alan G Isaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Colin J. Williams apparently wrote: One would expect the iteration over A to return row vectors, represented by (1, n) matrices. On 3/26/07, Alan G Isaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is again simple assertion.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] defmatrix.py

2007-03-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
Charles R Harris wrote: On 3/26/07, *Travis Oliphant* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles R Harris wrote: On 3/26/07, *Nils Wagner* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Numpy-discussion] Fixed scalar coercion model in NumPy

2007-03-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
I've finally made the changes to fix the scalar coercion model problems in NumPy 1.0.1 Now, scalar coercion rules only apply when involved types are of the same basic kind. Thus, array([1,2,3],int8)*10 returns an int8 array but array([1,2,3],int8)*10.0 returns a float64 array. If you

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Fixed scalar coercion model in NumPy

2007-03-26 Thread Perry Greenfield
Great! On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:52 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: I've finally made the changes to fix the scalar coercion model problems in NumPy 1.0.1 Now, scalar coercion rules only apply when involved types are of the same basic kind. [...] ___

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Fixed scalar coercion model in NumPy

2007-03-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
Perry Greenfield wrote: Great! On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:52 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: I've finally made the changes to fix the scalar coercion model problems in NumPy 1.0.1 Now, scalar coercion rules only apply when involved types are of the same basic kind. Actually, the rule is

Re: [Numpy-discussion] defmatrix.py

2007-03-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On 3/26/07, Travis Oliphant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles R Harris wrote: On 3/26/07, *Travis Oliphant* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles R Harris wrote: On 3/26/07, *Nils Wagner* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Numpy-discussion] defmatrix.py

2007-03-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
I think that might be the simplest thing, dot overrides subtypes. BTW, here is another ambiguity In [6]: dot(array([[1]]),ones(2)) --- exceptions.ValueErrorTraceback (most recent call

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Fixed scalar coercion model in NumPy

2007-03-26 Thread Stefan van der Walt
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 01:52:28PM -0700, Travis Oliphant wrote: I really do want to get 1.0.2 out the door soon. What still needs to be fixed before then? The code in ticket 469 still causes a memory error, so that might be worth fixing. Cheers Stéfan

Re: [Numpy-discussion] defmatrix.py

2007-03-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On 3/26/07, Travis Oliphant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that might be the simplest thing, dot overrides subtypes. BTW, here is another ambiguity In [6]: dot(array([[1]]),ones(2)) --- exceptions.ValueError

Re: [Numpy-discussion] defmatrix.py

2007-03-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
Charles R Harris wrote: The rule 1-d is always a *row* vector only applies when converting to a matrix. In this case, the dot operator does not convert to a matrix but uses rules for operating with mixed 2-d and 1-d arrays inherited from Numeric. I'm

Re: [Numpy-discussion] defmatrix.py

2007-03-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On 3/26/07, Travis Oliphant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles R Harris wrote: The rule 1-d is always a *row* vector only applies when converting to a matrix. In this case, the dot operator does not convert to a matrix but uses rules for operating with mixed 2-d

[Numpy-discussion] ATLAS problems

2007-03-26 Thread Justin Bedo
Hi All, I'm trying to compile NumPy using the ATLAS libraries but am having some difficulty with it. I've managed to build numpy such that lapack_lite.so is linked as follows: linux-gate.so.1 = (0xe000) libatlas.so = /usr/local/atlas/lib/libatlas.so (0xb79e9000)

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Alan Isaac
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Travis Oliphant wrote: It actually has been offered. You just don't accept it. Matrices are containers of matrices. If M is an (mxn) matrix then M[0] is a (1xn) matrix. Viewing this 1xn matrix as a 1-d array loses it's row-vectorness. This seems perfectly

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Alan Isaac
On 3/27/07, Alan Isaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I see a use case where the desired return when iterating through a matrix is rows as matrices? That has never been what I wanted. On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Bill Baxter wrote: AllMyPoints = mat(rand(100,2)) # 100 two-d points for pt in

Re: [Numpy-discussion] matrix indexing question

2007-03-26 Thread Bill Baxter
On 3/27/07, Alan Isaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/27/07, Alan Isaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I see a use case where the desired return when iterating through a matrix is rows as matrices? That has never been what I wanted. On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Bill Baxter wrote: AllMyPoints

[Numpy-discussion] two previously unresolved issues

2007-03-26 Thread Stefan van der Walt
Hi, I just went through my mail archive and found these two minor outstanding issues. Thought I'd ask for comments before the new release: From: Charles R Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Numpy-discussion] Assign NaN, get zero On 11/11/06, Lisandro Dalcin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On