[Numpy-discussion] Python2.4 support

2008-12-07 Thread Pierre GM
All,

* What versions of Python should be supported by what version of  
numpy ? Are we to expect users to rely on Python2.5 for the upcoming  
1.3.x ? Could we have some kind of timeline on the trac site or  
elsewhere (and if such a timeline exists already, can I get the link?) ?

* Talking about 1.3.x, what's the timeline? Are we still shooting for  
a release in 2008 or could we wait till mid Jan. 2009 ?

Thx a lot in advance
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Python2.4 support

2008-12-07 Thread Jarrod Millman
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Pierre GM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 * What versions of Python should be supported by what version of
 numpy ? Are we to expect users to rely on Python2.5 for the upcoming
 1.3.x ? Could we have some kind of timeline on the trac site or
 elsewhere (and if such a timeline exists already, can I get the link?) ?

NumPy 1.3.x should work with Python 2.4, 2.5, and 2.6.  At some point
we can drop 2.4, but I would like to wait a bit since we just dropped
2.3 support.  The timeline is on the trac site:
  http://projects.scipy.org/scipy/numpy/milestone/1.3.0

 * Talking about 1.3.x, what's the timeline? Are we still shooting for
 a release in 2008 or could we wait till mid Jan. 2009 ?

I am fine with pushing the release back, if there is interest in doing
that.  I have been mainly focusing on getting SciPy 0.7.x out, so I
haven't been following the NumPy development closely.  But it is good
that you are asking for more concrete details about the next NumPy
release.  We need to start making plans.  Does anyone have any
suggestions about whether we should push the release back?  Is 1 month
long enough?  What is left to do?

Please feel free to update the release notes, which are checked into the trunk:
  http://scipy.org/scipy/numpy/browser/trunk/doc/release/1.3.0-notes.rst

Thanks,

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Python2.4 support

2008-12-07 Thread Pierre GM

On Dec 7, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Jarrod Millman wrote:
 NumPy 1.3.x should work with Python 2.4, 2.5, and 2.6.  At some point
 we can drop 2.4, but I would like to wait a bit since we just dropped
 2.3 support.  The timeline is on the trac site:
  http://projects.scipy.org/scipy/numpy/milestone/1.3.0

OK, great, thanks a lot.


 * Talking about 1.3.x, what's the timeline? Are we still shooting for
 a release in 2008 or could we wait till mid Jan. 2009 ?

 I am fine with pushing the release back, if there is interest in doing
 that.  I have been mainly focusing on getting SciPy 0.7.x out, so I
 haven't been following the NumPy development closely.  But it is good
 that you are asking for more concrete details about the next NumPy
 release.  We need to start making plans.  Does anyone have any
 suggestions about whether we should push the release back?  Is 1 month
 long enough?  What is left to do?

Well, on my side, there's some doc to be updated, of course. Then, I'd  
like to put the rec_functions that were developed in matplotlib to  
manipulate recordarrays. I haven't started yet, might be able to do so  
before the end of the year (not much to do, just a clean up and some  
examples). And what should we do with the genloadtxt function ?



 Please feel free to update the release notes, which are checked into  
 the trunk:
  http://scipy.org/scipy/numpy/browser/trunk/doc/release/1.3.0- 
 notes.rst


Will do in good time.
Thx again

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Python2.4 support

2008-12-07 Thread David Cournapeau
Jarrod Millman wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Pierre GM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 * What versions of Python should be supported by what version of
 numpy ? Are we to expect users to rely on Python2.5 for the upcoming
 1.3.x ? Could we have some kind of timeline on the trac site or
 elsewhere (and if such a timeline exists already, can I get the link?) ?
 

 NumPy 1.3.x should work with Python 2.4, 2.5, and 2.6.  At some point
 we can drop 2.4, but I would like to wait a bit since we just dropped
 2.3 support.  The timeline is on the trac site:
   http://projects.scipy.org/scipy/numpy/milestone/1.3.0
   

I am strongly against dropping 2.4 support anytime soon. I haven't seen
a strong rationale for using = 2.5 features in numpy, supporting 2.4 is
not so hard, and 2.4 is still the default python version on many OS (mac
os X 10.4 I believe, RHEL for sure, open solaris).

David
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Python2.4 support

2008-12-07 Thread Jarrod Millman
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:42 PM, David Cournapeau
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am strongly against dropping 2.4 support anytime soon. I haven't seen
 a strong rationale for using = 2.5 features in numpy, supporting 2.4 is
 not so hard, and 2.4 is still the default python version on many OS (mac
 os X 10.4 I believe, RHEL for sure, open solaris).

While my feelings aren't as strong as David's, they are pretty much identical.

As a point of reference, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 won't come out
until at least the first quarter of 2010.  Until then we should make a
serious effort to support Python 2.4, which ships with RHEL 5.  It
looks like RHEL 6 will be based on the upcoming Fedora 11 release,
which will ship with Python 2.6.  That gives us a minimum of one year
for 2.4 support.  Once RHEL 6 is released, it will take several months
before a sizable number of users upgrade.

Moin has a detailed list of Python versions for various OSes and
hosting services:
  http://moinmo.in/PollAboutRequiringPython24

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