Re: [Numpy-discussion] numpy quad and maple

2014-05-10 Thread Daπid
On 10 May 2014 01:04, Ihab Riad ifr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I did the following integral with numpy quad

 quad(lambda h:

 np.exp(-.5*2334.0090702455204-1936.9610182100055*5*log10(h)-(12.5*2132.5498892927189)*log10(h)*log10(h)),0,inf)

 and I get the following values (1.8368139214123403e-126,
 3.3631976081491865e-126).


The first value is the integral, the second is the error. You have (1.8 +-
3.3) 10^-126. That is, your integral is almost zero.


 When I do the integral with maple and mathematica I get
 2.643019766*10^(-127)


That is inside the bracket Scipy said. And I wouldn't even trust them to be
correct without doing some checking.

Numbers so small are numerically non trustworthy. Your function is:

E^(A - B log(h) - C log^2(h)) = E^A * h^B' * h ^ (C' log(h))

where B' and C' depend on your numbers. E^A is already 10^-507 (are you
sure this numbers are correct?), so if you strip it out of your integral,
you have a simpler expression, and more reasonable values. This is what is
killing your integral and sending it to 0.

Now, you have to normalise the values. So,  changing variables: h- sx, dh
= sdx:

sx^B' * (sx)^[C' (log(s) + log(x))]

Expand and simplify, find the value that makes more reasonable values
(order of one).


Last thing: giving quad a limit in infinity can make it behave crazily. If
you look at your second term, that is roughly x^(-log(x)), it decays very
quickly for large values of x (10^-5 for x=20), so you can, without
affecting your integral much, set a cut at a some reasonable h (plot it to
be sure). You can even make an estimate comparing with the analytical
result [1] of that particular piece.

Bottomline: don't use a lambda, use a function and expand your parameters.
That will make the expression simpler.

def f(h):
log10 = np.log10(h)
B = 1936.9610182100055*5
...
return ...


/David.

[1] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Integrate[x
^-log%28x%29%2C+{x%2C+k%2C+infinity}]
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[Numpy-discussion] numpy quad and maple

2014-05-09 Thread Ihab Riad
Hi,

I did the following integral with numpy quad 

quad(lambda h:
np.exp(-.5*2334.0090702455204-1936.9610182100055*5*log10(h)-(12.5*2132.5498892927189)*log10(h)*log10(h)),0,inf)

and I get the following values (1.8368139214123403e-126,
3.3631976081491865e-126).

When I do the integral with maple and mathematica I get
2.643019766*10^(-127)

I think the numpy value is not correct. Could any one please advice me on
that.

Cheers Ihab



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