[nysbirds-l] Keep your eyes to the sky

[Hugh McGuinness]

I received a photo from a friend of a SWALLOW-TAILED KITE that was found
dead today (20 March) in Quogue (Suffolk Co.). Argh!

Hugh

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[nysbirds-l] Great Egret

[robert adamo]

Today, I headed east on the South Fork, stopping at: Mecox Bay, Water Mill;
Sagg Pond, Saggaponack; Hook Pond, East Hampton and at some smaller spots
in between, with the only highlights being a Red Fox in Saggaponack, and my
FOS Great Egret at Hook Pond.

Yesterday, I forgot to mention the 4 Ring-necked Pheasants that
surprised me, when I opened the blinds to the back patio, at breakfast time.

Cheers,
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Stella Miller]

Thanks Larry!

H, I wonder if the Rip Van Winkle Rod and Gun Club has the same "high 
ethical and moral standards" in place that Ducks Unlimited does. 

Stella Miller

ps: remember to watch where you take your vacuum, should it need repairs!  
 



"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy



 From: Larry Federman 
To: Rick & Linda Kedenburg ; Stella Miller 
 
Cc: Colleen / spider99 ; NYSBIRDS-L 
 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 


Since my car was being serviced at the body shop listed in the flyer “for 
more info”, I needed to remain silent up to this point!  Got my car back 
today. Of course had I known they were involved in this, I would have gone 
somewhere else, but I have used them for many years.
 
In any case, I reached out to Assemblyman Lopez, Senator Tkaczy, and US 
Representative Chris Gibson on Tuesday.  None of them or their staff got 
back to me after my initial speaking with their respective staffs. I will try 
again after the weekend.
 
I did speak with one of the guys at the body shop and floated some ideas 
his way, one of which of course was to cancel the event.  He said he had no 
control over that and that I need to talk with the rod and gun club president, 
which I will try to do next week.
 
As to getting the name correct for the agency who writes the laws, I agree 
that this is very important, even though many hunters don’t respect NYS DEC 
over 
their hunting regs in the first place – it just adds credibility to Senator 
Avella’s press release.
 
There are many people in my little community of Palenville who are appalled 
by the event and support any efforts to put an end to them. Rallying support 
form the legislature will require some work, and will probably need to come 
from 
a representative whose re-election doesn’t count on taking “the right 
stand”.
 
Below is something that might help us in our cause.
 
Larry 
Federman
President, Northern Catskills Audubon Society
 
 
Victory: Ducks 
Unlimited 2,000 Bird Pigeon Shoot Cancelled
Posted on March 19, 2014
We are pleased to announce that after receiving complaints about 
the event, and less than one day after we released this videoabout the issue, 
Ducks  Unlimited 
has cancelled the shoot! 
Here is the 
email we just received from Ducks Unlimited:
  Dale Hall forwarded me your email 
regarding the pigeon shoot and asked that I respond to you directly. 
Earlier  today, several Ducks Unlimited members contacted headquarters 
staff to make us aware that one of our committees was  planning to hold a 
pigeon shoot as part of a DU event. We have policies in place holding our staff 
and local  volunteers to high ethical and moral standards, and do not 
condone wanton waste of wildlife or other animals. To  avoid the potential 
for wanton waste, the event committee has decided to change the live pigeon 
event to a sporting  clays shoot.
  Sincerely,
Matt
Matt 
Coffey Senior Communications 
Specialist DUCKS UNLIMITED 
  This 
is an astounding turn of events; for 20 years Ducks Unlimited has been holding 
these “phigeon  shoots,” where innocent pigeons have sharp pheasant tail 
feathers forced into their backs, and yet within one  day, and working 
together, we all were able to stop this vicious 
shoot.
 
 
From: Rick & Linda Kedenburg 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:11 PM
To: Stella Miller 
Cc: Colleen / spider99 ; NYSBIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 
I 
think we are all on the same side here both upstate & down.  
 
Linda & I do a lot of spring birding in the Frost Valley section of the 
catskills. There is quite a bit of land in the area that is owned by the NYC 
for 
watershed & drinking water reasons. We have birded many areas there that are 
sportsman clubs along the Willowemoc and some of that land is part of the NYC 
Watershed.
I would think a State Senator from NYC would get some attention. 
We stay with many good friends from this area, Claryville & Denning, 
and we would say most are against this type of killing. 
 
Rick
 
On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Stella Miller wrote:

I  apologize if you felt lumped into the group, and took offense, but this was  
not in anyway disparaging everyone that lives upstate.  What I was doing  was 
agreeing with Will's assessment of the situation.  The folks  participating in 
this event do happen to live "upstate".  They will  likely not appreciate 
interference from folks that live "downstate" such as  the Senator.  Hence, my 
comment.  I was certainly not implying that  everyone that lives north of 
Westchester is some kind of slack jawed yokel and  I am sorry you took it that 
way, but I was referring to the people 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Larry Federman]

Since my car was being serviced at the body shop listed in the flyer “for more 
info”, I needed to remain silent up to this point!  Got my car back today. 
Of course had I known they were involved in this, I would have gone somewhere 
else, but I have used them for many years.

In any case, I reached out to Assemblyman Lopez, Senator Tkaczy, and US 
Representative Chris Gibson on Tuesday.  None of them or their staff got back 
to me after my initial speaking with their respective staffs. I will try again 
after the weekend.

I did speak with one of the guys at the body shop and floated some ideas his 
way, one of which of course was to cancel the event.  He said he had no control 
over that and that I need to talk with the rod and gun club president, which I 
will try to do next week.

As to getting the name correct for the agency who writes the laws, I agree that 
this is very important, even though many hunters don’t respect NYS DEC over 
their hunting regs in the first place – it just adds credibility to Senator 
Avella’s press release.

There are many people in my little community of Palenville who are appalled by 
the event and support any efforts to put an end to them. Rallying support form 
the legislature will require some work, and will probably need to come from a 
representative whose re-election doesn’t count on taking “the right stand”.

Below is something that might help us in our cause.

Larry Federman
President, Northern Catskills Audubon Society


Victory: Ducks Unlimited 2,000 Bird Pigeon Shoot Cancelled
Posted on March 19, 2014 
We are pleased to announce that after receiving complaints about the event, and 
less than one day after we released this video about the issue, Ducks  
Unlimited has cancelled the shoot! 
Here is the email we just received from Ducks Unlimited:
  Dale Hall forwarded me your email regarding the pigeon shoot and asked that I 
respond to you directly. Earlier  today, several Ducks Unlimited members 
contacted headquarters staff to make us aware that one of our committees was  
planning to hold a pigeon shoot as part of a DU event. We have policies in 
place holding our staff and local  volunteers to high ethical and moral 
standards, and do not condone wanton waste of wildlife or other animals. To  
avoid the potential for wanton waste, the event committee has decided to change 
the live pigeon event to a sporting  clays shoot.
  Sincerely,
Matt
Matt Coffey Senior Communications Specialist DUCKS UNLIMITED 
  This is an astounding turn of events; for 20 years Ducks Unlimited has been 
holding these “phigeon  shoots,” where innocent pigeons have sharp pheasant 
tail feathers forced into their backs, and yet within one  day, and working 
together, we all were able to stop this vicious shoot.



From: Rick & Linda Kedenburg 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:11 PM
To: Stella Miller 
Cc: Colleen / spider99 ; NYSBIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

I think we are all on the same side here both upstate & down.  

Linda & I do a lot of spring birding in the Frost Valley section of the 
catskills. There is quite a bit of land in the area that is owned by the NYC 
for watershed & drinking water reasons. We have birded many areas there that 
are sportsman clubs along the Willowemoc and some of that land is part of the 
NYC Watershed.
I would think a State Senator from NYC would get some attention. 
We stay with many good friends from this area, Claryville & Denning, and we 
would say most are against this type of killing. 

Rick

On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Stella Miller wrote:


  I apologize if you felt lumped into the group, and took offense, but this was 
not in anyway disparaging everyone that lives upstate.  What I was doing was 
agreeing with Will's assessment of the situation.  The folks participating in 
this event do happen to live "upstate".  They will likely not appreciate 
interference from folks that live "downstate" such as the Senator.  Hence, my 
comment.  I was certainly not implying that everyone that lives north of 
Westchester is some kind of slack jawed yokel and I am sorry you took it that 
way, but I was referring to the people that are behind events such as these.  
Please do not turn this into some kind of culture war between downstaters and 
upstaters!  This is about everyone coming together to put an end to something 
that we all find offensive, the killing of animals for fun and prizes.  

  Stella







  "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy


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  From: Colleen / spider99 
  To: Stella Miller  
  Cc: NYSBIRDS-L  
  Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] 

[nysbirds-l] RBA Buffalo Bird Report 20 Mar 2014

[David Suggs]

- RBA
* New York
* Buffalo
* 03/20/2014
* NYBU1403.20
- Birds mentioned

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  AMERICAN WOODCOCK
  PINE SISKIN
  SNOWY OWL
  CACKLING GOOSE
  Red-necked Grebe
  Great Blue Heron
  Bl.-cr. Night-Heron
  Snow Goose
  Tundra Swan
  Canada Goose
  Wood Duck
  Green-winged Teal
  Northern Pintail
  Gadwall
  American Wigeon
  Canvasback
  Redhead
  Ring-necked Duck
  Greater Scaup
  Lesser Scaup
  King Eider
  Common Goldeneye
  Bufflehead
  Hooded Merganser
  Common Merganser
  Red-br. Merganser
  Wild Turkey
  Pileated Woodpecker
  Horned Lark
  Northern Shrike
  Amer. Tree Sparrow
  Dark-eyed Junco
  Snow Bunting

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  Hotline: Buffalo Bird Report at the Buffalo Museum of Science
  Date: 03/20/2014
  Number:   716-896-1271
  To Report:Same
  Compiler: David F. Suggs
  Coverage: Western New York and adjacent Ontario
  Website:  www.BuffaloOrnithologicalSociety.org

  Thursday, March 20, 2014

  The Buffalo Bird Report is a service provided by your
  Buffalo Museum of Science and the Buffalo Ornithological
  Society. To contact the Science Museum, call 896-5200. Press
  the pound key to report sightings before the end of this
  report.

  Highlights of reports received March 13 through March 20
  from the Niagara Frontier Region include AMERICAN WOODCOCK,
  PINE SISKIN and SNOWY OWLS.

  March 14 in northern Chautauqua County, an AMERICAN
  WOODCOCK, flushed by 10 WILD TURKEYS, in the Town of
  Sheridan. At a Cheektowaga feeder, March 17, the first
  report in months of a single PINE SISKIN.

  Also March 17, a record count of 12 SNOWY OWLS on the ice
  covered Lewiston Reservoir, viewed from Garlow Road. In
  southern Erie County, two SNOWY OWLS this week on Jennings
  Road, between Route 249 and Marshfield Road in North
  Collins.

  March 14, a first winter male KING EIDER still on Lake
  Ontario at Point Breeze in Orleans County.

  The subtle CACKLING GEESE have been arriving with the first
  wave of CANADA GEESE in the Lake Ontario Plains and Iroquois
  Refuge areas. This week in Somerset, 10 CACKLING GEESE at
  Golden Hill State Park and 3 at Barker Park, a single in the
  Tonawanda Wildlife Management Area, and 6 CACKLING GEESE at
  Meahl Road and Route 93, north of Akron.

  Other arriving waterfowl - SNOW GOOSE, TUNDRA SWAN, WOOD DUCK,
  GADWALL, AMERICAN WIGEON, NORTHERN PINTAIL, GREEN-WINGED
  TEAL and HOODED MERGANSER.

  Diving ducks continue their out-of-character stays in the
  Village of Williamsville; on the Reist Street ponds and
  Ellicott Creek at Amherst State Park. Species include
  CANVASBACK, REDHEAD, RING-NECKED DUCK, SCAUP, BUFFLEHEAD,
  COMMON GOLDENEYE and RED-BR. MERGANSER, plus D.-CREST.
  CORMORANT. In the Southern Tier City of Olean, at Olean
  Creek and the Alleghany River, divers included LESSER SCAUP,
  WHITE-WINGED SCOTER and LONG-TAILED DUCK.

  Scarce during the past winter, 2 NORTHERN SHRIKES in the
  Orleans County Town of Yates. In Genesee County, flocks of
  300 and 150 SNOW BUNTINGS with HORNED LARKS on McLernon Road
  in Bethany.

  Other reports this week - on the upper Niagara River, RED-
  NECKED GREBE and almost 2000 COMMON MERGANSERS off the
  Sheridan Drive boat launch in Tonawanda, and another RED-
  NECKED GREBE off the waterfowl viewing area on the Robert
  Moses Parkway in Niagara Falls. Above Niagara Falls, 4 BL.-
  CR. NIGHT-HERONS, and 33 GREAT BLUE HERONS re-populating the
  Motor Island heronry. And at feeders - PILEATED WOODPECKER
  and AMER. TREE SPARROW in North Boston, and a flock of 20
  DARK-EYED JUNCOS residing at Sunset Beach in Orleans County.

  The Bird Report will be updated Thursday evening, March 27.
  Please call in your sightings by noon Thursday. You may
  report sightings after the tone. Thank you for calling and
  reporting.

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[nysbirds-l] Fw: CORRECTION: RELEASE: SENATOR AVELLA PROTESTS UPCOMING CROW HUNTING CONTEST

[Stella Miller]

Here is the corrected press release.  Stella "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or
 people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy - Forwarded Message -   


   Thursday, March 20th, 2014  Contact:
Anna Aulova

   718-357-3094/917-669-4434





 







SENATOR AVELLA
PROTESTS UPCOMING CROW 

HUNTING CONTEST 





~Prior Release Inaccurate Indicated New York City Department of Conservation - It is in Fact, 
New York STATE Department of Conservation that Currently Permits This Contest
 

(ALBANY, NY) In continuing to advocate for the
welfare of all animal species in New York State, Senator Tony Avella came out
against the upcoming “Crow Down” hunting contest being hosted on March 29th in
Palenville, NY. The contest, which awards prizes
for crows killed, does not have a bag limit and does not require the use of
non-toxic shots, raising significant concerns of inhumane killings. 





 

Unfortunately, the contest is considered perfectly
legal under the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC)
regulations.

 

To better address the raising concerns with hunting
contests, Senator Avella has co-sponsored State legislation (Bill #S.4074), with
Senator Jack Martins which would make it unlawful for any person to organize, conduct,
promote or participate in any contest or competition where the objective of
such contest or competition is to take the greatest number of wildlife.

 

Senator Avella stated, “While I continue to support hunting rights, I do not understand why hunting contests continue to be accepted as a general ‘family fun day’ in New York State.  These contests promote the slaughtering of countless defenseless animals by creating a competitive atmosphere where hunters try to kill the most amount of wildlife. Without any limit on the amount of crows killed in this particular contest, who’s to say when is enough?” 





 

Edita Birnkrant, NY Director of Friends of Animals stated,
“Bloody,
barbaric events like the “Crow Down” crow killing contest to be held in
Palenville have no place in modern, civilized society.  Awarding adults
and children prizes for a mass killing contest of crows promotes a dangerous,
violent attitude toward all wildlife that we share our landscapes with. Friends
of Animals strongly urges passage of Senate bill # 4074 which would prohibit all
killing contests throughout NY State which also target coyotes, squirrels and
other species that play critically important roles in our ecosystem.”





 

Stella
Miller, the President of the Huntington-Oyster Bay Audubon Society stated, “I was very disturbed to learn about the
crow killing contest to be held in Palenville. Crows are highly intelligent
animals and are greatly admired for their cognitive abilities.  I am not
sure how this barbaric practice can be considered "sport".  I am
not opposed to subsistence hunting.  I am, however, adamantly opposed to
killing for the sake of killing. I am working on bringing more of the birding
and conservation community in NY together to oppose this particular event as
well as all contest "hunts".  I support passage of Senate Bill #
4074 and believe firmly that contest "hunts" should be permanently
banned in New York State.”

 

Senator Avella concluded, “The lack of oversight of
these hunting contests, which oftentimes become animal slaughter contests, is
incredible. Living in a State which recognizes the dangers of gun use, we
should re-evaluate our approach to promoting countless wildlife killing as
means of family entertainment.”

  
 

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Rick & Linda Kedenburg]

I think we are all on the same side here both upstate & down.

Linda & I do a lot of spring birding in the Frost Valley section of  
the catskills. There is quite a bit of land in the area that is owned  
by the NYC for watershed & drinking water reasons. We have birded  
many areas there that are sportsman clubs along the Willowemoc and  
some of that land is part of the NYC Watershed.
I would think a State Senator from NYC would get some attention.
We stay with many good friends from this area, Claryville & Denning,  
and we would say most are against this type of killing.

Rick

On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Stella Miller wrote:

> I apologize if you felt lumped into the group, and took offense,  
> but this was not in anyway disparaging everyone that lives  
> upstate.  What I was doing was agreeing with Will's assessment of  
> the situation.  The folks participating in this event do happen to  
> live "upstate".  They will likely not appreciate interference from  
> folks that live "downstate" such as the Senator.  Hence, my  
> comment.  I was certainly not implying that everyone that lives  
> north of Westchester is some kind of slack jawed yokel and I am  
> sorry you took it that way, but I was referring to the people that  
> are behind events such as these.  Please do not turn this into some  
> kind of culture war between downstaters and upstaters!  This is  
> about everyone coming together to put an end to something that we  
> all find offensive, the killing of animals for fun and prizes.
>
> Stella
>
>
>
>
>
> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold,  
> as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up  
> to science to spread the understanding that the choice is not  
> between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an  
> impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
> From: Colleen / spider99 
> To: Stella Miller 
> Cc: NYSBIRDS-L 
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
>
> Please don't lump all of us who live "upstate" together.  There are  
> a number of us here in the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions  
> that are appalled with crow hunts. It is killing for the sake of  
> killing, not to put food on the table.  Even though crows may steal  
> and eat the young of other beloved birds, crows have their own  
> predators to hopefully balance that out.  I don't believe we need  
> to be the ones to hunt them. I love crows!
>
> So, please don't offend those who are trying to help.
> Colleen
> - Original Message -
> From: Stella Miller
> To: Will Raup ; Linda Orkin
> Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
>
> Hi,
>
> I had to run out today right after the press release was sent to  
> me.  I did not get a chance to read it until now and see the  
> error.  Will is absolutely correct, folks upstate will not blink an  
> eye at this.  Why should they? As Will points out, it is legal by  
> state DEC laws and that is what matters to them.  It is the two  
> different worlds of "downstate" and "upstate"! I will reach out to  
> FoA, as they have the direct line to the Senator's office, and ask  
> if he can amend the release.
>
> Thanks for bringing this to attention!
>
> Stella
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold,  
> as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up  
> to science to spread the understanding that the choice is not  
> between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an  
> impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
> From: Will Raup 
> To: Linda Orkin 
> Cc: Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L  l...@cornell.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:57 PM
> Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release
>
> Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will  
> ignore it.  They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York  
> City DEC has to say about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE  
> DEC laws.
>
> It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they  consulted  
> New York State DEC in the release would carry more wait.  Trust me,  
> having grown up in that area and know many who still live there,  
> this statement is junk and will be laughed off because of that one  
> line.   And I'm being serious.
>
> Will Raup
> Albany, NY
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> From: wingmagi...@gmail.com
> To: hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
> CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
>
> The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to  
> say that the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop  
> reading after that?  The senator refers only to NYS.
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup  
>  wrote:
> Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means  
> it will be ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New  

Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Stella Miller]

We have already heard about upstate interest in this.  The upstate officials 
don't want to touch this, too hot to handle.

On the other hand, if there is enough pressure applied, you never know

No, it will not be an easy bill to pass, that is for sure.  And this year's 
event will certainly not be stopped.  But no fight worth fighting is ever easy. 
 I say, onward!

Here is an interesting situation that is taking place in California, where 
coyote killing contests take place very regularly:

 
http://www.kcet.org/news/redefine/rewild/hunting/state-may-ban-hunting-contests-for-coyotes-and-other-wildlife.html

http://www.newsreview.com/chico/coyote-killings-under-review/content?oid=12743000




Stella
 



"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy



 From: Will Raup 
To: Colleen spider99 ; Stella Miller 
 
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L  
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 



That's not the case at all.  Maybe I'm not being clear.

However the People who ARE participating in this event, already distrust and 
dislike NYS Government as it is.  Again, it's all about perception and as such 
wording is important. These kind of typos will harden those who support these 
events to respond as actively as many birders have.

The kind of legislation that is proposed will be a major up hill battle.  
Sadly, Without an upstate senator to co-sponsor the legislation, it is likely 
dead.

Will Raup
Albany, NY




From: spide...@stny.rr.com
To: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:36:22 -0400


Please don't lump all of us who live "upstate" together.  
There are a number of us here in the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions 
that 
are appalled with crow hunts. It is killing for the sake of killing, not to put 
food on the table.  Even though crows may steal and eat the young of other 
beloved birds, crows have their own predators to hopefully balance that 
out.  I don't believe we need to be the ones to hunt them. I love 
crows!
 
So, please don't offend those who are trying to 
help.
Colleen
- Original Message - 
>From: Stella Miller 
>To: Will Raup ; Linda  Orkin 
>Cc: NYSBIRDS-L 
>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:21  PM
>Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press  release
>
>
>Hi, 
>
>
>I  had to run out today right after the press release was sent to me.  I did  
>not get a chance to read it until now and see the error.  Will is  absolutely 
>correct, folks upstate will not blink an eye at this.  Why  should they? As 
>Will points out, it is legal by state DEC laws and that is  what matters to 
>them.  It is the two different worlds of "downstate" and  "upstate"! I will 
>reach out to FoA, as they have the direct line to the  Senator's office, and 
>ask if he can amend the release. 
>
>
>Thanks  for bringing this to attention!
>
>
>Stella
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>"Conservation is sometimes  perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
>whooping cranes in higher  esteem than people. It is up to science to spread 
>the understanding that the  choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
>between a rich or an  impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
>
>
>
> From: Will Raup 
>To: Linda Orkin   
>Cc: Stella Miller  ; NYSBIRDS-L 
> 
>Sent: Thursday, March 20,  2014 2:57 PM
>Subject: RE:  [nysbirds-l] Press release
>
>
>
> 
>Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will  ignore it.  
>They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City  DEC has to say 
>about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws. 
>
>
>It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they   consulted New York 
>State DEC in the release would carry more  wait.  Trust me, having grown up in 
>that area and know many who still  live there, this statement is junk and will 
>be laughed off because of that one  line.   And I'm being serious.
>
>
>Will Raup
>Albany, NY
>
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400
>Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] 
  Press release
>From: wingmagi...@gmail.com
>To: 
  hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
>CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; 
  nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
>
>
>The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say  that 
>the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after  that?  
>The senator refers only to NYS.
>
>Linda
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will  Raup  wrote:
>
>Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC",  means it will 
>be ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New  York State DEC, 
>otherwise this will be 

RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Will Raup]

That's not the case at all.  Maybe I'm not being clear.
However the People who ARE participating in this event, already distrust and 
dislike NYS Government as it is.  Again, it's all about perception and as such 
wording is important. These kind of typos will harden those who support these 
events to respond as actively as many birders have.
The kind of legislation that is proposed will be a major up hill battle.  
Sadly, Without an upstate senator to co-sponsor the legislation, it is likely 
dead.
Will RaupAlbany, NY

From: spide...@stny.rr.com
To: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:36:22 -0400






Please don't lump all of us who live "upstate" together.  
There are a number of us here in the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions 
that 
are appalled with crow hunts. It is killing for the sake of killing, not to put 
food on the table.  Even though crows may steal and eat the young of other 
beloved birds, crows have their own predators to hopefully balance that 
out.  I don't believe we need to be the ones to hunt them. I love 
crows!
 
So, please don't offend those who are trying to 
help.
Colleen

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Stella Miller 
  To: Will Raup ; Linda 
  Orkin 
  Cc: NYSBIRDS-L 
  Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:21 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press 
  release
  

  
  Hi, 
  

  I 
  had to run out today right after the press release was sent to me.  I did 
  not get a chance to read it until now and see the error.  Will is 
  absolutely correct, folks upstate will not blink an eye at this.  Why 
  should they? As Will points out, it is legal by state DEC laws and that is 
  what matters to them.  It is the two different worlds of "downstate" and 
  "upstate"! I will reach out to FoA, as they have the direct line to the 
  Senator's office, and ask if he can amend the release. 
  

  Thanks 
  for bringing this to attention!
  

  Stella
  

  

  
   
  


"Conservation is sometimes 
  perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding whooping cranes in higher 
  esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the understanding that the 
  choice is not between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an 
  impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy

  
  
  
  
  From: 
  Will Raup 
To: Linda Orkin 
   
Cc: Stella Miller 
  ; NYSBIRDS-L  
  
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 
  2014 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: 
  [nysbirds-l] Press release

  

  
  

  
  Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will 
  ignore it.  They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City 
  DEC has to say about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws.
  
  It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they 
   consulted New York State DEC in the release would carry more 
  wait.  Trust me, having grown up in that area and know many who still 
  live there, this statement is junk and will be laughed off because of that 
one 
  line.   And I'm being serious.
  
  Will Raup
  Albany, NY
  
  
  
  Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] 
  Press releaseFrom: wingmagic16@gmail.comTo: 
  hoaryredpoll@hotmail.comCC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; 
  nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
  
  The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say 
  that the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after 
  that?  The senator refers only to NYS.Linda
  
  On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will 
  Raup  
  wrote:
  

Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", 
means it will be ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New 
York State DEC, otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who 
will just view this as another "City" politician who has no idea what is 
going on north of New York City.

The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that 
particular sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to 
their advantage.

Will Raup
Albany, NY 


Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700From: 
stella.miller63@yahoo.comSubject: [nysbirds-l] Press releaseTo: 
NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu



Attached is the press release regarding the 
legislation. 

Thanks, 

Stella

 
"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping 
everything cold, as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. 
It 
is up to science to spread the understanding that the choice is not between 
wild places or people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence 
for 
Man." Thomas Lovejoy
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Stella Miller]

I apologize if you felt lumped into the group, and took offense, but this was 
not in anyway disparaging everyone that lives upstate.  What I was doing was 
agreeing with Will's assessment of the situation.  The folks participating in 
this event do happen to live "upstate".  They will likely not appreciate 
interference from folks that live "downstate" such as the Senator.  Hence, my 
comment.  I was certainly not implying that everyone that lives north of 
Westchester is some kind of slack jawed yokel and I am sorry you took it that 
way, but I was referring to the people that are behind events such as these.  
Please do not turn this into some kind of culture war between downstaters and 
upstaters!  This is about everyone coming together to put an end to something 
that we all find offensive, the killing of animals for fun and prizes.  

Stella


 



"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy



 From: Colleen / spider99 
To: Stella Miller  
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L  
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 


Please don't lump all of us who live "upstate" together.  
There are a number of us here in the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions 
that 
are appalled with crow hunts. It is killing for the sake of killing, not to put 
food on the table.  Even though crows may steal and eat the young of other 
beloved birds, crows have their own predators to hopefully balance that 
out.  I don't believe we need to be the ones to hunt them. I love 
crows!
 
So, please don't offend those who are trying to 
help.
Colleen
- Original Message - 
>From: Stella Miller 
>To: Will Raup ; Linda  Orkin 
>Cc: NYSBIRDS-L 
>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:21  PM
>Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press  release
>
>
>Hi, 
>
>
>I  had to run out today right after the press release was sent to me.  I did  
>not get a chance to read it until now and see the error.  Will is  absolutely 
>correct, folks upstate will not blink an eye at this.  Why  should they? As 
>Will points out, it is legal by state DEC laws and that is  what matters to 
>them.  It is the two different worlds of "downstate" and  "upstate"! I will 
>reach out to FoA, as they have the direct line to the  Senator's office, and 
>ask if he can amend the release. 
>
>
>Thanks  for bringing this to attention!
>
>
>Stella
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>"Conservation is sometimes  perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
>whooping cranes in higher  esteem than people. It is up to science to spread 
>the understanding that the  choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
>between a rich or an  impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
>
>
>
> From: Will Raup 
>To: Linda Orkin   
>Cc: Stella Miller  ; NYSBIRDS-L 
> 
>Sent: Thursday, March 20,  2014 2:57 PM
>Subject: RE:  [nysbirds-l] Press release
>
>
>
> 
>Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will  ignore it.  
>They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City  DEC has to say 
>about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws. 
>
>
>It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they   consulted New York 
>State DEC in the release would carry more  wait.  Trust me, having grown up in 
>that area and know many who still  live there, this statement is junk and will 
>be laughed off because of that one  line.   And I'm being serious.
>
>
>Will Raup
>Albany, NY
>
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400
>Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] 
  Press release
>From: wingmagi...@gmail.com
>To: 
  hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
>CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; 
  nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
>
>
>The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say  that 
>the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after  that?  
>The senator refers only to NYS.
>
>Linda
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will  Raup  wrote:
>
>Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC",  means it will 
>be ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New  York State DEC, 
>otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who  will just view this 
>as another "City" politician who has no idea what is  going on north of New 
>York City. 
>>
>>
>>The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that  
>>particular sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to  their 
>>advantage.
>>
>>
>>Will Raup
>>Albany, NY 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
>>From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
>>Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
>>To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu 
>>
>>
>>
>>Attached is the press release regarding the  

Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Colleen / spider99]

Please don't lump all of us who live "upstate" together.  There are a number of 
us here in the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions that are appalled with 
crow hunts. It is killing for the sake of killing, not to put food on the 
table.  Even though crows may steal and eat the young of other beloved birds, 
crows have their own predators to hopefully balance that out.  I don't believe 
we need to be the ones to hunt them. I love crows!

So, please don't offend those who are trying to help.
Colleen
  - Original Message - 
  From: Stella Miller 
  To: Will Raup ; Linda Orkin 
  Cc: NYSBIRDS-L 
  Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release


  Hi, 


  I had to run out today right after the press release was sent to me.  I did 
not get a chance to read it until now and see the error.  Will is absolutely 
correct, folks upstate will not blink an eye at this.  Why should they? As Will 
points out, it is legal by state DEC laws and that is what matters to them.  It 
is the two different worlds of "downstate" and "upstate"! I will reach out to 
FoA, as they have the direct line to the Senator's office, and ask if he can 
amend the release. 


  Thanks for bringing this to attention!


  Stella








  "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy


--
  From: Will Raup 
  To: Linda Orkin  
  Cc: Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L 
 
  Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:57 PM
  Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release



  Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will ignore it.  
They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City DEC has to say 
about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws.


  It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they  consulted New York 
State DEC in the release would carry more wait.  Trust me, having grown up in 
that area and know many who still live there, this statement is junk and will 
be laughed off because of that one line.   And I'm being serious.


  Will Raup
  Albany, NY



--
  Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400
  Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
  From: wingmagi...@gmail.com
  To: hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
  CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu


  The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say that 
the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after that?  The 
senator refers only to NYS.


  Linda




  On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup  wrote:

Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means it will 
be ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC, 
otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view this 
as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going on north of New York 
City.


The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that 
particular sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to their 
advantage.


Will Raup
Albany, NY 




Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu



Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 


Thanks, 


Stella




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Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Stella Miller]

That is very true.  Of course, with social media being what it is, this press 
release has already been shared on quite a few Facebook pages as well as 
Twitter accounts, so I am glad it is being amended. 

Thanks for taking care of this!!

Stella
 



"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy



 From: Christina Wilkinson 
To: nysbirds-l  
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 


The press release is being corrected.


And it's not really that big of a deal because press releases are just used by 
the press for quotes.  It's usually not distributed to the general public.  It 
was sent to us because we have an interest in the topic.

Christina




From: "Will Raup" 
To: "Linda Orkin" 
Cc: "Stella Miller" , "NYSBIRDS-L" 

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:57:42 PM
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release

 
Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will ignore it.  
They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City DEC has to say 
about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws.

It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they  consulted New York 
State DEC in the release would carry more wait.  Trust me, having grown up in 
that area and know many who still live there, this statement is junk and will 
be laughed off because of that one line.   And I'm being serious.

Will Raup
Albany, NY




Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
From: wingmagi...@gmail.com
To: hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu


The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say that 
the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after that?  The 
senator refers only to NYS.

Linda




On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup  wrote:

Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means it will be 
ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC, otherwise 
this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view this as another 
"City" politician who has no idea what is going on north of New York City.
>
>
>The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that particular 
>sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to their advantage.
>
>
>Will Raup
>Albany, NY 
>
>
>
>
>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
>From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
>Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
>To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu
>
>
>
>Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 
>
>
>Thanks, 
>
>
>Stella
> 
>
>
>
>"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
>whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread 
>the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
>between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Stella Miller]

Hi, 

I had to run out today right after the press release was sent to me.  I did not 
get a chance to read it until now and see the error.  Will is absolutely 
correct, folks upstate will not blink an eye at this.  Why should they? As Will 
points out, it is legal by state DEC laws and that is what matters to them.  It 
is the two different worlds of "downstate" and "upstate"! I will reach out to 
FoA, as they have the direct line to the Senator's office, and ask if he can 
amend the release. 

Thanks for bringing this to attention!

Stella


 



"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy



 From: Will Raup 
To: Linda Orkin  
Cc: Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L 
 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 


Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will ignore it.  
They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City DEC has to say 
about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws.

It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they  consulted New York 
State DEC in the release would carry more wait.  Trust me, having grown up in 
that area and know many who still live there, this statement is junk and will 
be laughed off because of that one line.   And I'm being serious.

Will Raup
Albany, NY




Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
From: wingmagi...@gmail.com
To: hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu


The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say that 
the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after that?  The 
senator refers only to NYS.

Linda




On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup  wrote:

Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means it will be 
ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC, otherwise 
this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view this as another 
"City" politician who has no idea what is going on north of New York City.
>
>
>The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that particular 
>sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to their advantage.
>
>
>Will Raup
>Albany, NY 
>
>
>
>
>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
>From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
>Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
>To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu
>
>
>
>Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 
>
>
>Thanks, 
>
>
>Stella
> 
>
>
>
>"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
>whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread 
>the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
>between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Christina Wilkinson]

The press release is being corrected. 


And it's not really that big of a deal because press releases are just used by 
the press for quotes. It's usually not distributed to the general public. It 
was sent to us because we have an interest in the topic. 


Christina 


- Original Message -

From: "Will Raup"  
To: "Linda Orkin"  
Cc: "Stella Miller" , "NYSBIRDS-L" 
 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:57:42 PM 
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release 


Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will ignore it. 
They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City DEC has to say 
about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws. 


It's about perception. If the Senator had stated they consulted New York State 
DEC in the release would carry more wait. Trust me, having grown up in that 
area and know many who still live there, this statement is junk and will be 
laughed off because of that one line. And I'm being serious. 


Will Raup 
Albany, NY 



Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release 
From: wingmagi...@gmail.com 
To: hoaryredp...@hotmail.com 
CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu 



The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say that 
the NYC DEC says this is legal. Why would anyone stop reading after that? The 
senator refers only to NYS. 

Linda 




On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup < hoaryredp...@hotmail.com > wrote: 




Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means it will be 
ignored. It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC, otherwise 
this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view this as another 
"City" politician who has no idea what is going on north of New York City. 


The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that particular 
sentence. And you can bet the opposition will use that to their advantage. 


Will Raup 
Albany, NY 



Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700 
From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release 
To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu 





Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 


Thanks, 


Stella 





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RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Will Raup]

Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will ignore it.  
They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City DEC has to say 
about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws.
It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they  consulted New York 
State DEC in the release would carry more wait.  Trust me, having grown up in 
that area and know many who still live there, this statement is junk and will 
be laughed off because of that one line.   And I'm being serious.
Will RaupAlbany, NY

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
From: wingmagi...@gmail.com
To: hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu

The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say that 
the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after that?  The 
senator refers only to NYS.

Linda



On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup  wrote:




Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means it will be 
ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC, otherwise 
this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view this as another 
"City" politician who has no idea what is going on north of New York City.

The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that particular 
sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to their advantage.
Will RaupAlbany, NY 


Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu


Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 

Thanks, 


Stella 


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Linda Orkin]

The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say
that the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after
that?  The senator refers only to NYS.

Linda


On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup  wrote:

> Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means it
> will be ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New York State
> DEC, otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just
> view this as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going on
> north of New York City.
>
> The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that
> particular sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to their
> advantage.
>
> Will Raup
> Albany, NY
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> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
> From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu
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>
> Attached is the press release regarding the legislation.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stella
>
>
>
>
> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as
> holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science
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> people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas
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RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

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I picked up on that also but wasn't going to say anything. However it is a huge 
"typo". 

However, if the hunt is happening on lands that are owned by NYC, i.e. the 
reservoirs? The statement is appropriate.


Matthew Voisine
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USACE- NY District
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Room 2151
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[mailto:bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Will Raup
Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2014 14:11
To: Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release

Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means it will be 
ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC, otherwise 
this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view this as another 
"City" politician who has no idea what is going on north of New York City.

The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that particular 
sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to their advantage.

Will Raup
Albany, NY 




Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu


Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 


Thanks, 


Stella
 



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RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Will Raup]

Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means it will be 
ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC, otherwise 
this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view this as another 
"City" politician who has no idea what is going on north of New York City.
The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that particular 
sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to their advantage.
Will RaupAlbany, NY 

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu

Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 
Thanks, 
Stella 


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[nysbirds-l] hoping for Dune road sightings

[Jane Ross]

heading that way (Hampton Bays-Quogue, Ponquogue Bridge) this afternoon and 
wondering whether anyone has seen the snowy owl or other rarities in the past 
few days. Thanks!


 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Senator Avella's release regarding crow shooting

[Patrick Santinello]

For those of you wondering who your state legislators are…..you can find them 
here.  

 

http://openstates.org/find_your_legislator/

 

Once you have entered your address you will be given links to your legislators 
pages that will include email addresses for them.

 

I simply emailed them each a copy of the release in Christina’s email below and 
included a link to the Facebook event along with my opinion of this practice. 
Here is that link.

 

https://www.facebook.com/events/258725434301388/permalink/266703986836866/

 

Thanks everyone.

Patrick

 

 

From: bounce-113421009-13703...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-113421009-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Christina 
Wilkinson
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:07 AM
To: nysbirds-l 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Senator Avella's release regarding crow shooting

 

 

Inline image 1

   Thursday, March 20th, 2014   
   Contact: Anna Aulova

   718-357-3094/917-669-4434

 

SENATOR AVELLA PROTESTS UPCOMING CROW 

HUNTING CONTEST 

 

(ALBANY, NY) In continuing to advocate for the welfare of all animal species in 
New York State, Senator Tony Avella came out against the upcoming “Crow Down” 
hunting contest being hosted on March 29th in Palenville, NY. The contest, 
which awards prizes for crows killed, does not have a bag limit and does not 
require the use of non-toxic shots, raising significant concerns of inhumane 
killings. 

 

Unfortunately, the contest is considered perfectly legal under the New York 
City Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) regulations.

 

To better address the raising concerns with hunting contests, Senator Avella 
has co-sponsored State legislation (Bill #S.4074), with Senator Jack Martins 
which would make it unlawful for any person to organize, conduct, promote or 
participate in any contest or competition where the objective of such contest 
or competition is to take the greatest number of wildlife.

 

Senator Avella stated, “While I continue to support hunting rights, I do not 
understand why hunting contests continue to be accepted as a general ‘family 
fun day’ in New York State.  These contests promote the slaughtering of 
countless defenseless animals by creating a competitive atmosphere where 
hunters try to kill the most amount of wildlife. Without any limit on the 
amount of crows killed in this particular contest, who’s to say when is 
enough?” 

 

Edita Birnkrant, NY Director of Friends of Animals stated, “Bloody, barbaric 
events like the “Crow Down” crow killing contest to be held in Palenville have 
no place in modern, civilized society.  Awarding adults and children prizes for 
a mass killing contest of crows promotes a dangerous, violent attitude toward 
all wildlife that we share our landscapes with. Friends of Animals strongly 
urge passage of Senate bill # 4074 which would prohibit all killing contests 
throughout NY State which also target coyotes, squirrels and other species that 
play critically important roles in our ecosystem.”

 

Stella Miller, the President of the Huntington-Oyster Bay Audubon Society 
stated, “I was very disturbed to learn about the crow killing contest to be 
held in Palenville. Crows are highly intelligent animals and are greatly 
admired for their cognitive abilities.  I am not sure how this barbaric 
practice can be considered "sport".  I am not opposed to subsistence hunting.  
I am, however, adamantly opposed to killing for the sake of killing. I am 
working on bringing more of the birding and conservation community in NY 
together to oppose this particular event as well as all contest "hunts".  I 
support passage of Senate Bill # 4074 and believe firmly that contest "hunts" 
should be permanently banned in New York State.”

 

Senator Avella concluded, “The lack of oversight of these hunting contests, 
which oftentimes become animal slaughter contests, is incredible. Living in a 
State which recognizes the dangers of gun use, we should re-evaluate our 
approach to promoting countless wildlife killing as means of family 
entertainment.”

 

 

 

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[Stella Miller]

Thanks Rick, yes, everyone who cares about this issue must reach out to their 
elected official and request that this bill be supported and passed.  I am also 
working on an online petition and am speaking with  Friends of Animals about 
this.  Cannot get to it until Monday, but it will be up and I will let everyone 
know when it is.  

I would like to see this practice one day banned across the US.  From the Wolf 
Derby to the Squirrel Slam to the Rattlesnake Roundup and SnapperFest, along 
with the others involving prairie dogs, pigeons and coyotes among other 
animals, there is just no need to promote this type of mindset and culture - 
killing for fun.  It is despicable.  

Stella
 



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 From: Rick & Linda Kedenburg 
To: Stella Miller  
Cc: NYS Birds  
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 


Thank you Stella.
If we as a birding community want to see this through I urge members of this 
list-serve to attach the press release to an email and send it along with your 
thoughts to your own state legislators. I just did.
Thank you for you consideration.
Respectfully yours, Rick


On Mar 20, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Stella Miller wrote:

Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 
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>Stella
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[nysbirds-l] Central Park, NYC 3/20

[Thomas Fiore]

Thursday, 20 March, 2014 - Central Park, Manhattan, N.Y. City

The transitioning-plumaged RED-NECKED GREBE continued at the  
reservoir, seen 7:45 a.m. & 8:15 a.m. on the western side; it seemed  
to be slowly working a bit to the south at the latter time.  Also  
present there again were a drake Ring-necked Duck (se) and at least 3  
Red-breasted Mergansers (2 hen or young males, & a drake), at least 5  
Wood Ducks, modest no's. of N. Shovelers, Gadwall, and Buffleheads, &  
a great many Canada Geese.  Gulls (which as most park regulars know,  
come & go in & out of the reservoir on an hourly-daily basis, the  
number & potential variety changing almost constantly even as some  
individuals may habitually return for weeks or months in a row) were  
coming in, & settling on lingering ice - the east half of the  
reservoir was still essentially ice-covered, although this should  
change in the next few days - & I checked for any uncommon gull sp.  
but did not note; it's worth scanning through flocks at any time.   
Also lingering at the reservoir were just 2 Ruddy Ducks, & at least 4  
Hooded Mergansers. (No sign of a Pied-billed Grebe which had appeared  
there over a week ago, & seems to have moved on quickly.)

At the feeders in the Ramble, the bright male Baltimore Oriole was  
already present & feeding on one of the many fresh orange halves  
regularly placed out this winter; the drab-plumaged PINE WARBLER also  
made a brief appearance, coming to investigate one of the coconut- 
shell feeders; also present in the area were multiple "red" Fox  
Sparrows, and a Rusty Blackbird.  In a number of other parts of the  
park, "red" Fox Sparrows were not so hard to find; I counted 22 in all  
from s. end thru n. end, with at least 8 in the Ramble area alone.

At the west side of "the Point" on the lake, an adult Black-crowned  
Night-Heron was sitting low by the water, & at "the Pond" in the  
park's south end, a breeding (with partial plumes) Great Blue Heron  
was standing by ice at the south side, closer to the sw corner.   
Additional single drake Wood Ducks were noted at: Pond, Lake, & Meer.   
The Meer also had a pair of Hooded Mergansers & a few Buffleheads, as  
well as Gadwall & other usuals.

Song Sparrows are about in slightly higher number than those which  
overwintered. A few half-hardy species did overwinter successfully,  
including a couple of Brown Thrashers, at least 1 Gray Catbird, and a  
few E. Towhees. (I'm not aware of other half-hardy or more uncommon  
overwinterers but there may have been.) A modest number of adult male  
Yellow-bellied Sapasuckers, and a very few Yellow-shafted Flickers,  
were again found, these few perhaps arrived in the last week or more.  
Red-winged Blackbirds are singing in a few places, most in evidence at  
the Meer from my a.m. wandering.

welcome - the vernal equinox in just a few hours from now.

good birding,

Tom Fiore
Manhattan
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[Rick & Linda Kedenburg]

Thank you Stella.
If we as a birding community want to see this through I urge members  
of this list-serve to attach the press release to an email and send  
it along with your thoughts to your own state legislators. I just did.
Thank you for you consideration.
Respectfully yours, Rick

On Mar 20, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Stella Miller wrote:

> Attached is the press release regarding the legislation.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stella
>
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> as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up  
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[nysbirds-l] Press release

[Stella Miller]

Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 

Thanks, 

Stella
 



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[nysbirds-l] Senator Avella's release regarding crow shooting

[Christina Wilkinson]

   Thursday, March 20th, 2014  Contact:
Anna Aulova

   718-357-3094/917-669-4434



 





SENATOR AVELLA
PROTESTS UPCOMING CROW 

HUNTING CONTEST 



 

(ALBANY, NY) In continuing to advocate for the
welfare of all animal species in New York State, Senator Tony Avella came out
against the upcoming “Crow Down” hunting contest being hosted on March 29th in
Palenville, NY. The contest, which awards prizes
for crows killed, does not have a bag limit and does not require the use of
non-toxic shots, raising significant concerns of inhumane killings. 



 

Unfortunately, the contest is considered perfectly
legal under the New York City Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC)
regulations.

 

To better address the raising concerns with hunting
contests, Senator Avella has co-sponsored State legislation (Bill #S.4074), with
Senator Jack Martins which would make it unlawful for any person to organize, conduct,
promote or participate in any contest or competition where the objective of
such contest or competition is to take the greatest number of wildlife.

 

Senator Avella stated, “While I continue to support hunting rights, I do not understand why hunting contests continue to be accepted as a general ‘family fun day’ in New York State.  These contests promote the slaughtering of countless defenseless animals by creating a competitive atmosphere where hunters try to kill the most amount of wildlife. Without any limit on the amount of crows killed in this particular contest, who’s to say when is enough?” 



 

Edita Birnkrant, NY Director of Friends of Animals stated,
“Bloody,
barbaric events like the “Crow Down” crow killing contest to be held in
Palenville have no place in modern, civilized society.  Awarding adults
and children prizes for a mass killing contest of crows promotes a dangerous,
violent attitude toward all wildlife that we share our landscapes with. Friends
of Animals strongly urge passage of Senate bill # 4074 which would prohibit all
killing contests throughout NY State which also target coyotes, squirrels and
other species that play critically important roles in our ecosystem.”



 

Stella
Miller, the President of the Huntington-Oyster Bay Audubon Society stated, “I was very disturbed to learn about the
crow killing contest to be held in Palenville. Crows are highly intelligent
animals and are greatly admired for their cognitive abilities.  I am not
sure how this barbaric practice can be considered "sport".  I am
not opposed to subsistence hunting.  I am, however, adamantly opposed to
killing for the sake of killing. I am working on bringing more of the birding
and conservation community in NY together to oppose this particular event as
well as all contest "hunts".  I support passage of Senate Bill #
4074 and believe firmly that contest "hunts" should be permanently
banned in New York State.”

 

Senator Avella concluded, “The lack of oversight of
these hunting contests, which oftentimes become animal slaughter contests, is
incredible. Living in a State which recognizes the dangers of gun use, we
should re-evaluate our approach to promoting countless wildlife killing as
means of family entertainment.”

 
 


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[nysbirds-l] Legislation Regarding Wildlife Killing Contests

[Stella Miller]

Here is the link to the proposed legislation banning killing contests, thanks 
to the efforts of Friends of Animals and others:

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S4074-2013

 
BILL NUMBER:S4074REVISED 3/28/13

TITLE OF BILL:  An act to amend the environmental conservation law, in relation 
to making contests and competitions to take wildlife unlawful

PURPOSE OR GENERAL IDEA OF BILL:  This bill will ensure it is illegal for any 
person to become involved with wildlife killing competitions.


This bill needs all the support it can get in order to pass, which is where our 
voices and resources can become very mighty weapons.  As stated in my prior 
email, we are working on a letter of support for this bill, so any sign-ons are 
welcome.  

Stella Miller
President
Huntington-Oyster Bay Audubon

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[nysbirds-l] Croton Point Park

[Larry Trachtenberg]

> In a brief stop at Croton Point Park this morning I did not see the snipe 
> that had been seen and photographed yesterday afternoon on the ball field as 
> you drive in, but there were 12 GW Teal and 6 killdeer there (as well as 
> numerous robins, mallards, Canada geese and about 80 ring billed gulls) but 
> by far the highlight was a seal dining on a fish west of the swimming beach 
> popping up and down drifting towards the rocky northwest point -- don't know 
> my seals well enough to ID.

> Woodcocks are also back at the park along east side of main landfill coming 
> out of phrags around 7 pm

L. Trachtenberg
Ossining. 

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[nysbirds-l] Croton Point Park

[Larry Trachtenberg]

 In a brief stop at Croton Point Park this morning I did not see the snipe 
 that had been seen and photographed yesterday afternoon on the ball field as 
 you drive in, but there were 12 GW Teal and 6 killdeer there (as well as 
 numerous robins, mallards, Canada geese and about 80 ring billed gulls) but 
 by far the highlight was a seal dining on a fish west of the swimming beach 
 popping up and down drifting towards the rocky northwest point -- don't know 
 my seals well enough to ID.

 Woodcocks are also back at the park along east side of main landfill coming 
 out of phrags around 7 pm

L. Trachtenberg
Ossining. 

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[nysbirds-l] Legislation Regarding Wildlife Killing Contests

[Stella Miller]

Here is the link to the proposed legislation banning killing contests, thanks 
to the efforts of Friends of Animals and others:

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S4074-2013

 
BILL NUMBER:S4074REVISED 3/28/13

TITLE OF BILL:  An act to amend the environmental conservation law, in relation 
to making contests and competitions to take wildlife unlawful

PURPOSE OR GENERAL IDEA OF BILL:  This bill will ensure it is illegal for any 
person to become involved with wildlife killing competitions.


This bill needs all the support it can get in order to pass, which is where our 
voices and resources can become very mighty weapons.  As stated in my prior 
email, we are working on a letter of support for this bill, so any sign-ons are 
welcome.  

Stella Miller
President
Huntington-Oyster Bay Audubon

Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
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[nysbirds-l] Senator Avella's release regarding crow shooting

[Christina Wilkinson]

 Thursday, March 20th, 2014 Contact:
Anna Aulova

 718-357-3094/917-669-4434









SENATOR AVELLA
PROTESTS UPCOMING CROW 

HUNTING CONTEST 





(ALBANY, NY) In continuing to advocate for the
welfare of all animal species in New York State, Senator Tony Avella came out
against the upcoming “Crow Down” hunting contest being hosted on March 29th in
Palenville, NY. The contest, which awards prizes
for crows killed, does not have a bag limit and does not require the use of
non-toxic shots, raising significant concerns of inhumane killings. 





Unfortunately, the contest is considered perfectly
legal under the New York City Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC)
regulations.



To better address the raising concerns with hunting
contests, Senator Avella has co-sponsored State legislation (Bill #S.4074), with
Senator Jack Martins which would make it unlawful for any person to organize, conduct,
promote or participate in any contest or competition where the objective of
such contest or competition is to take the greatest number of wildlife.



Senator Avella stated, “While I continue to support hunting rights, I do not understand why hunting contests continue to be accepted as a general ‘family fun day’ in New York State. These contests promote the slaughtering of countless defenseless animals by creating a competitive atmosphere where hunters try to kill the most amount of wildlife. Without any limit on the amount of crows killed in this particular contest, who’s to say when is enough?” 





Edita Birnkrant, NY Director of Friends of Animals stated,
“Bloody,
barbaric events like the “Crow Down” crow killing contest to be held in
Palenville have no place in modern, civilized society. Awarding adults
and children prizes for a mass killing contest of crows promotes a dangerous,
violent attitude toward all wildlife that we share our landscapes with. Friends
of Animals strongly urge passage of Senate bill # 4074 which would prohibit all
killing contests throughout NY State which also target coyotes, squirrels and
other species that play critically important roles in our ecosystem.”





Stella
Miller, the President of the Huntington-Oyster Bay Audubon Society stated, “I was very disturbed to learn about the
crow killing contest to be held in Palenville. Crows are highly intelligent
animals and are greatly admired for their cognitive abilities. I am not
sure how this barbaric practice can be considered "sport". I am
not opposed to subsistence hunting. I am, however, adamantly opposed to
killing for the sake of killing. I am working on bringing more of the birding
and conservation community in NY together to oppose this particular event as
well as all contest "hunts". I support passage of Senate Bill #
4074 and believe firmly that contest "hunts" should be permanently
banned in New York State.”



Senator Avella concluded, “The lack of oversight of
these hunting contests, which oftentimes become animal slaughter contests, is
incredible. Living in a State which recognizes the dangers of gun use, we
should re-evaluate our approach to promoting countless wildlife killing as
means of family entertainment.”





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[nysbirds-l] Press release

[Stella Miller]

Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 

Thanks, 

Stella
 



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Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Rick Linda Kedenburg]

Thank you Stella.
If we as a birding community want to see this through I urge members  
of this list-serve to attach the press release to an email and send  
it along with your thoughts to your own state legislators. I just did.
Thank you for you consideration.
Respectfully yours, Rick

On Mar 20, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Stella Miller wrote:

 Attached is the press release regarding the legislation.

 Thanks,

 Stella




 Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold,  
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[nysbirds-l] Central Park, NYC 3/20

[Thomas Fiore]

Thursday, 20 March, 2014 - Central Park, Manhattan, N.Y. City

The transitioning-plumaged RED-NECKED GREBE continued at the  
reservoir, seen 7:45 a.m.  8:15 a.m. on the western side; it seemed  
to be slowly working a bit to the south at the latter time.  Also  
present there again were a drake Ring-necked Duck (se) and at least 3  
Red-breasted Mergansers (2 hen or young males,  a drake), at least 5  
Wood Ducks, modest no's. of N. Shovelers, Gadwall, and Buffleheads,   
a great many Canada Geese.  Gulls (which as most park regulars know,  
come  go in  out of the reservoir on an hourly-daily basis, the  
number  potential variety changing almost constantly even as some  
individuals may habitually return for weeks or months in a row) were  
coming in,  settling on lingering ice - the east half of the  
reservoir was still essentially ice-covered, although this should  
change in the next few days -  I checked for any uncommon gull sp.  
but did not note; it's worth scanning through flocks at any time.   
Also lingering at the reservoir were just 2 Ruddy Ducks,  at least 4  
Hooded Mergansers. (No sign of a Pied-billed Grebe which had appeared  
there over a week ago,  seems to have moved on quickly.)

At the feeders in the Ramble, the bright male Baltimore Oriole was  
already present  feeding on one of the many fresh orange halves  
regularly placed out this winter; the drab-plumaged PINE WARBLER also  
made a brief appearance, coming to investigate one of the coconut- 
shell feeders; also present in the area were multiple red Fox  
Sparrows, and a Rusty Blackbird.  In a number of other parts of the  
park, red Fox Sparrows were not so hard to find; I counted 22 in all  
from s. end thru n. end, with at least 8 in the Ramble area alone.

At the west side of the Point on the lake, an adult Black-crowned  
Night-Heron was sitting low by the water,  at the Pond in the  
park's south end, a breeding (with partial plumes) Great Blue Heron  
was standing by ice at the south side, closer to the sw corner.   
Additional single drake Wood Ducks were noted at: Pond, Lake,  Meer.   
The Meer also had a pair of Hooded Mergansers  a few Buffleheads, as  
well as Gadwall  other usuals.

Song Sparrows are about in slightly higher number than those which  
overwintered. A few half-hardy species did overwinter successfully,  
including a couple of Brown Thrashers, at least 1 Gray Catbird, and a  
few E. Towhees. (I'm not aware of other half-hardy or more uncommon  
overwinterers but there may have been.) A modest number of adult male  
Yellow-bellied Sapasuckers, and a very few Yellow-shafted Flickers,  
were again found, these few perhaps arrived in the last week or more.  
Red-winged Blackbirds are singing in a few places, most in evidence at  
the Meer from my a.m. wandering.

welcome - the vernal equinox in just a few hours from now.

good birding,

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Stella Miller]

Thanks Rick, yes, everyone who cares about this issue must reach out to their 
elected official and request that this bill be supported and passed.  I am also 
working on an online petition and am speaking with  Friends of Animals about 
this.  Cannot get to it until Monday, but it will be up and I will let everyone 
know when it is.  

I would like to see this practice one day banned across the US.  From the Wolf 
Derby to the Squirrel Slam to the Rattlesnake Roundup and SnapperFest, along 
with the others involving prairie dogs, pigeons and coyotes among other 
animals, there is just no need to promote this type of mindset and culture - 
killing for fun.  It is despicable.  

Stella
 



Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy



 From: Rick  Linda Kedenburg kedenb...@optonline.net
To: Stella Miller stella.mille...@yahoo.com 
Cc: NYS Birds NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 


Thank you Stella.
If we as a birding community want to see this through I urge members of this 
list-serve to attach the press release to an email and send it along with your 
thoughts to your own state legislators. I just did.
Thank you for you consideration.
Respectfully yours, Rick


On Mar 20, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Stella Miller wrote:

Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 


Thanks, 


Stella
 



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RE: [nysbirds-l] Senator Avella's release regarding crow shooting

[Patrick Santinello]

For those of you wondering who your state legislators are…..you can find them 
here.  

 

http://openstates.org/find_your_legislator/

 

Once you have entered your address you will be given links to your legislators 
pages that will include email addresses for them.

 

I simply emailed them each a copy of the release in Christina’s email below and 
included a link to the Facebook event along with my opinion of this practice. 
Here is that link.

 

https://www.facebook.com/events/258725434301388/permalink/266703986836866/

 

Thanks everyone.

Patrick

 

 

From: bounce-113421009-13703...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-113421009-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Christina 
Wilkinson
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:07 AM
To: nysbirds-l 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Senator Avella's release regarding crow shooting

 

 

Inline image 1

   Thursday, March 20th, 2014   
   Contact: Anna Aulova

   718-357-3094/917-669-4434

 

SENATOR AVELLA PROTESTS UPCOMING CROW 

HUNTING CONTEST 

 

(ALBANY, NY) In continuing to advocate for the welfare of all animal species in 
New York State, Senator Tony Avella came out against the upcoming “Crow Down” 
hunting contest being hosted on March 29th in Palenville, NY. The contest, 
which awards prizes for crows killed, does not have a bag limit and does not 
require the use of non-toxic shots, raising significant concerns of inhumane 
killings. 

 

Unfortunately, the contest is considered perfectly legal under the New York 
City Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) regulations.

 

To better address the raising concerns with hunting contests, Senator Avella 
has co-sponsored State legislation (Bill #S.4074), with Senator Jack Martins 
which would make it unlawful for any person to organize, conduct, promote or 
participate in any contest or competition where the objective of such contest 
or competition is to take the greatest number of wildlife.

 

Senator Avella stated, “While I continue to support hunting rights, I do not 
understand why hunting contests continue to be accepted as a general ‘family 
fun day’ in New York State.  These contests promote the slaughtering of 
countless defenseless animals by creating a competitive atmosphere where 
hunters try to kill the most amount of wildlife. Without any limit on the 
amount of crows killed in this particular contest, who’s to say when is 
enough?” 

 

Edita Birnkrant, NY Director of Friends of Animals stated, “Bloody, barbaric 
events like the “Crow Down” crow killing contest to be held in Palenville have 
no place in modern, civilized society.  Awarding adults and children prizes for 
a mass killing contest of crows promotes a dangerous, violent attitude toward 
all wildlife that we share our landscapes with. Friends of Animals strongly 
urge passage of Senate bill # 4074 which would prohibit all killing contests 
throughout NY State which also target coyotes, squirrels and other species that 
play critically important roles in our ecosystem.”

 

Stella Miller, the President of the Huntington-Oyster Bay Audubon Society 
stated, “I was very disturbed to learn about the crow killing contest to be 
held in Palenville. Crows are highly intelligent animals and are greatly 
admired for their cognitive abilities.  I am not sure how this barbaric 
practice can be considered sport.  I am not opposed to subsistence hunting.  
I am, however, adamantly opposed to killing for the sake of killing. I am 
working on bringing more of the birding and conservation community in NY 
together to oppose this particular event as well as all contest hunts.  I 
support passage of Senate Bill # 4074 and believe firmly that contest hunts 
should be permanently banned in New York State.”

 

Senator Avella concluded, “The lack of oversight of these hunting contests, 
which oftentimes become animal slaughter contests, is incredible. Living in a 
State which recognizes the dangers of gun use, we should re-evaluate our 
approach to promoting countless wildlife killing as means of family 
entertainment.”

 

 

 

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[Voisine, Matthew NAN02]

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

I picked up on that also but wasn't going to say anything. However it is a huge 
typo. 

However, if the hunt is happening on lands that are owned by NYC, i.e. the 
reservoirs? The statement is appropriate.


Matthew Voisine
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[mailto:bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Will Raup
Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2014 14:11
To: Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release

Sadly the fact the Senator used the term New York City DEC, means it will be 
ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC, otherwise 
this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view this as another 
City politician who has no idea what is going on north of New York City.

The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that particular 
sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to their advantage.

Will Raup
Albany, NY 




Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu


Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 


Thanks, 


Stella
 



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[Will Raup]

Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will ignore it.  
They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City DEC has to say 
about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws.
It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they  consulted New York 
State DEC in the release would carry more wait.  Trust me, having grown up in 
that area and know many who still live there, this statement is junk and will 
be laughed off because of that one line.   And I'm being serious.
Will RaupAlbany, NY

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
From: wingmagi...@gmail.com
To: hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu

The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say that 
the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after that?  The 
senator refers only to NYS.

Linda



On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com wrote:




Sadly the fact the Senator used the term New York City DEC, means it will be 
ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC, otherwise 
this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view this as another 
City politician who has no idea what is going on north of New York City.

The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that particular 
sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to their advantage.
Will RaupAlbany, NY 


Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu


Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 

Thanks, 


Stella 


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[Stella Miller]

Hi, 

I had to run out today right after the press release was sent to me.  I did not 
get a chance to read it until now and see the error.  Will is absolutely 
correct, folks upstate will not blink an eye at this.  Why should they? As Will 
points out, it is legal by state DEC laws and that is what matters to them.  It 
is the two different worlds of downstate and upstate! I will reach out to 
FoA, as they have the direct line to the Senator's office, and ask if he can 
amend the release. 

Thanks for bringing this to attention!

Stella


 



Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy



 From: Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
To: Linda Orkin wingmagi...@gmail.com 
Cc: Stella Miller stella.mille...@yahoo.com; NYSBIRDS-L 
nysbirds-l@cornell.edu 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 


Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will ignore it.  
They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City DEC has to say 
about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws.

It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they  consulted New York 
State DEC in the release would carry more wait.  Trust me, having grown up in 
that area and know many who still live there, this statement is junk and will 
be laughed off because of that one line.   And I'm being serious.

Will Raup
Albany, NY




Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
From: wingmagi...@gmail.com
To: hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu


The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say that 
the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after that?  The 
senator refers only to NYS.

Linda




On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com wrote:

Sadly the fact the Senator used the term New York City DEC, means it will be 
ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC, otherwise 
this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view this as another 
City politician who has no idea what is going on north of New York City.


The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that particular 
sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to their advantage.


Will Raup
Albany, NY 




Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu



Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 


Thanks, 


Stella
 



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[Stella Miller]

That is very true.  Of course, with social media being what it is, this press 
release has already been shared on quite a few Facebook pages as well as 
Twitter accounts, so I am glad it is being amended. 

Thanks for taking care of this!!

Stella
 



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whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy



 From: Christina Wilkinson nutrich...@rcn.com
To: nysbirds-l nysbirds-l@cornell.edu 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 


The press release is being corrected.


And it's not really that big of a deal because press releases are just used by 
the press for quotes.  It's usually not distributed to the general public.  It 
was sent to us because we have an interest in the topic.

Christina




From: Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
To: Linda Orkin wingmagi...@gmail.com
Cc: Stella Miller stella.mille...@yahoo.com, NYSBIRDS-L 
nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:57:42 PM
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release

 
Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will ignore it.  
They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City DEC has to say 
about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws.

It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they  consulted New York 
State DEC in the release would carry more wait.  Trust me, having grown up in 
that area and know many who still live there, this statement is junk and will 
be laughed off because of that one line.   And I'm being serious.

Will Raup
Albany, NY




Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
From: wingmagi...@gmail.com
To: hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu


The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say that 
the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after that?  The 
senator refers only to NYS.

Linda




On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com wrote:

Sadly the fact the Senator used the term New York City DEC, means it will be 
ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC, otherwise 
this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view this as another 
City politician who has no idea what is going on north of New York City.


The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that particular 
sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to their advantage.


Will Raup
Albany, NY 




Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu



Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. 


Thanks, 


Stella
 



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[Stella Miller]

I apologize if you felt lumped into the group, and took offense, but this was 
not in anyway disparaging everyone that lives upstate.  What I was doing was 
agreeing with Will's assessment of the situation.  The folks participating in 
this event do happen to live upstate.  They will likely not appreciate 
interference from folks that live downstate such as the Senator.  Hence, my 
comment.  I was certainly not implying that everyone that lives north of 
Westchester is some kind of slack jawed yokel and I am sorry you took it that 
way, but I was referring to the people that are behind events such as these.  
Please do not turn this into some kind of culture war between downstaters and 
upstaters!  This is about everyone coming together to put an end to something 
that we all find offensive, the killing of animals for fun and prizes.  

Stella


 



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whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy



 From: Colleen / spider99 spide...@stny.rr.com
To: Stella Miller stella.mille...@yahoo.com 
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L nysbirds-l@cornell.edu 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 


Please don't lump all of us who live upstate together.  
There are a number of us here in the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions 
that 
are appalled with crow hunts. It is killing for the sake of killing, not to put 
food on the table.  Even though crows may steal and eat the young of other 
beloved birds, crows have their own predators to hopefully balance that 
out.  I don't believe we need to be the ones to hunt them. I love 
crows!
 
So, please don't offend those who are trying to 
help.
Colleen
- Original Message - 
From: Stella Miller 
To: Will Raup ; Linda  Orkin 
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:21  PM
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press  release


Hi, 


I  had to run out today right after the press release was sent to me.  I did  
not get a chance to read it until now and see the error.  Will is  absolutely 
correct, folks upstate will not blink an eye at this.  Why  should they? As 
Will points out, it is legal by state DEC laws and that is  what matters to 
them.  It is the two different worlds of downstate and  upstate! I will 
reach out to FoA, as they have the direct line to the  Senator's office, and 
ask if he can amend the release. 


Thanks  for bringing this to attention!


Stella




 



Conservation is sometimes  perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher  esteem than people. It is up to science to spread 
the understanding that the  choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an  impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy



 From: Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
To: Linda Orkin  wingmagi...@gmail.com 
Cc: Stella Miller  stella.mille...@yahoo.com; NYSBIRDS-L 
nysbirds-l@cornell.edu 
Sent: Thursday, March 20,  2014 2:57 PM
Subject: RE:  [nysbirds-l] Press release



 
Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will  ignore it.  
They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City  DEC has to say 
about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws. 


It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they   consulted New York 
State DEC in the release would carry more  wait.  Trust me, having grown up in 
that area and know many who still  live there, this statement is junk and will 
be laughed off because of that one  line.   And I'm being serious.


Will Raup
Albany, NY




 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] 
  Press release
From: wingmagi...@gmail.com
To: 
  hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; 
  nysbirds-l@cornell.edu


The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say  that 
the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after  that?  
The senator refers only to NYS.

Linda




On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will  Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com wrote:

Sadly the fact the Senator used the term New York City DEC,  means it will 
be ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New  York State DEC, 
otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who  will just view this 
as another City politician who has no idea what is  going on north of New 
York City. 


The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that  
particular sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to  their 
advantage.


Will Raup
Albany, NY 




 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu 



Attached 

RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Will Raup]

That's not the case at all.  Maybe I'm not being clear.
However the People who ARE participating in this event, already distrust and 
dislike NYS Government as it is.  Again, it's all about perception and as such 
wording is important. These kind of typos will harden those who support these 
events to respond as actively as many birders have.
The kind of legislation that is proposed will be a major up hill battle.  
Sadly, Without an upstate senator to co-sponsor the legislation, it is likely 
dead.
Will RaupAlbany, NY

From: spide...@stny.rr.com
To: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:36:22 -0400






Please don't lump all of us who live upstate together.  
There are a number of us here in the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions 
that 
are appalled with crow hunts. It is killing for the sake of killing, not to put 
food on the table.  Even though crows may steal and eat the young of other 
beloved birds, crows have their own predators to hopefully balance that 
out.  I don't believe we need to be the ones to hunt them. I love 
crows!
 
So, please don't offend those who are trying to 
help.
Colleen

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Stella Miller 
  To: Will Raup ; Linda 
  Orkin 
  Cc: NYSBIRDS-L 
  Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:21 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press 
  release
  

  
  Hi, 
  

  I 
  had to run out today right after the press release was sent to me.  I did 
  not get a chance to read it until now and see the error.  Will is 
  absolutely correct, folks upstate will not blink an eye at this.  Why 
  should they? As Will points out, it is legal by state DEC laws and that is 
  what matters to them.  It is the two different worlds of downstate and 
  upstate! I will reach out to FoA, as they have the direct line to the 
  Senator's office, and ask if he can amend the release. 
  

  Thanks 
  for bringing this to attention!
  

  Stella
  

  

  
   
  


Conservation is sometimes 
  perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding whooping cranes in higher 
  esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the understanding that the 
  choice is not between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an 
  impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy

  
  
  
  
  From: 
  Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
To: Linda Orkin 
  wingmagi...@gmail.com 
Cc: Stella Miller 
  stella.mille...@yahoo.com; NYSBIRDS-L nysbirds-l@cornell.edu 
  
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 
  2014 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: 
  [nysbirds-l] Press release

  

  
  

  
  Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will 
  ignore it.  They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City 
  DEC has to say about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws.
  
  It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they 
   consulted New York State DEC in the release would carry more 
  wait.  Trust me, having grown up in that area and know many who still 
  live there, this statement is junk and will be laughed off because of that 
one 
  line.   And I'm being serious.
  
  Will Raup
  Albany, NY
  
  
  
  Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] 
  Press releaseFrom: wingmagic16@gmail.comTo: 
  hoaryredpoll@hotmail.comCC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; 
  nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
  
  The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say 
  that the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after 
  that?  The senator refers only to NYS.Linda
  
  On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will 
  Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com 
  wrote:
  

Sadly the fact the Senator used the term New York City DEC, 
means it will be ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New 
York State DEC, otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who 
will just view this as another City politician who has no idea what is 
going on north of New York City.

The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that 
particular sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to 
their advantage.

Will Raup
Albany, NY 


Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700From: 
stella.miller63@yahoo.comSubject: [nysbirds-l] Press releaseTo: 
NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu



Attached is the press release regarding the 
legislation. 

Thanks, 

Stella

 
Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping 
everything cold, as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. 
It 
is up to science to spread the understanding that the choice is not between 
wild places or people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence 
for 
Man. Thomas Lovejoy
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[Stella Miller]

We have already heard about upstate interest in this.  The upstate officials 
don't want to touch this, too hot to handle.

On the other hand, if there is enough pressure applied, you never know

No, it will not be an easy bill to pass, that is for sure.  And this year's 
event will certainly not be stopped.  But no fight worth fighting is ever easy. 
 I say, onward!

Here is an interesting situation that is taking place in California, where 
coyote killing contests take place very regularly:

 
http://www.kcet.org/news/redefine/rewild/hunting/state-may-ban-hunting-contests-for-coyotes-and-other-wildlife.html

http://www.newsreview.com/chico/coyote-killings-under-review/content?oid=12743000




Stella
 



Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy



 From: Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
To: Colleen spider99 spide...@stny.rr.com; Stella Miller 
stella.mille...@yahoo.com 
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L nysbirds-l@cornell.edu 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 



That's not the case at all.  Maybe I'm not being clear.

However the People who ARE participating in this event, already distrust and 
dislike NYS Government as it is.  Again, it's all about perception and as such 
wording is important. These kind of typos will harden those who support these 
events to respond as actively as many birders have.

The kind of legislation that is proposed will be a major up hill battle.  
Sadly, Without an upstate senator to co-sponsor the legislation, it is likely 
dead.

Will Raup
Albany, NY




From: spide...@stny.rr.com
To: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:36:22 -0400


Please don't lump all of us who live upstate together.  
There are a number of us here in the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions 
that 
are appalled with crow hunts. It is killing for the sake of killing, not to put 
food on the table.  Even though crows may steal and eat the young of other 
beloved birds, crows have their own predators to hopefully balance that 
out.  I don't believe we need to be the ones to hunt them. I love 
crows!
 
So, please don't offend those who are trying to 
help.
Colleen
- Original Message - 
From: Stella Miller 
To: Will Raup ; Linda  Orkin 
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:21  PM
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press  release


Hi, 


I  had to run out today right after the press release was sent to me.  I did  
not get a chance to read it until now and see the error.  Will is  absolutely 
correct, folks upstate will not blink an eye at this.  Why  should they? As 
Will points out, it is legal by state DEC laws and that is  what matters to 
them.  It is the two different worlds of downstate and  upstate! I will 
reach out to FoA, as they have the direct line to the  Senator's office, and 
ask if he can amend the release. 


Thanks  for bringing this to attention!


Stella




 



Conservation is sometimes  perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher  esteem than people. It is up to science to spread 
the understanding that the  choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an  impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy



 From: Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
To: Linda Orkin  wingmagi...@gmail.com 
Cc: Stella Miller  stella.mille...@yahoo.com; NYSBIRDS-L 
nysbirds-l@cornell.edu 
Sent: Thursday, March 20,  2014 2:57 PM
Subject: RE:  [nysbirds-l] Press release



 
Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will  ignore it.  
They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City  DEC has to say 
about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws. 


It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they   consulted New York 
State DEC in the release would carry more  wait.  Trust me, having grown up in 
that area and know many who still  live there, this statement is junk and will 
be laughed off because of that one  line.   And I'm being serious.


Will Raup
Albany, NY




 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] 
  Press release
From: wingmagi...@gmail.com
To: 
  hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; 
  nysbirds-l@cornell.edu


The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say  that 
the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after  that?  
The senator refers only to NYS.

Linda




On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will  Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com wrote:

Sadly the fact the Senator used the term New York City DEC,  

Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Rick Linda Kedenburg]

I think we are all on the same side here both upstate  down.

Linda  I do a lot of spring birding in the Frost Valley section of  
the catskills. There is quite a bit of land in the area that is owned  
by the NYC for watershed  drinking water reasons. We have birded  
many areas there that are sportsman clubs along the Willowemoc and  
some of that land is part of the NYC Watershed.
I would think a State Senator from NYC would get some attention.
We stay with many good friends from this area, Claryville  Denning,  
and we would say most are against this type of killing.

Rick

On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Stella Miller wrote:

 I apologize if you felt lumped into the group, and took offense,  
 but this was not in anyway disparaging everyone that lives  
 upstate.  What I was doing was agreeing with Will's assessment of  
 the situation.  The folks participating in this event do happen to  
 live upstate.  They will likely not appreciate interference from  
 folks that live downstate such as the Senator.  Hence, my  
 comment.  I was certainly not implying that everyone that lives  
 north of Westchester is some kind of slack jawed yokel and I am  
 sorry you took it that way, but I was referring to the people that  
 are behind events such as these.  Please do not turn this into some  
 kind of culture war between downstaters and upstaters!  This is  
 about everyone coming together to put an end to something that we  
 all find offensive, the killing of animals for fun and prizes.

 Stella





 Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold,  
 as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up  
 to science to spread the understanding that the choice is not  
 between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an  
 impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy
 From: Colleen / spider99 spide...@stny.rr.com
 To: Stella Miller stella.mille...@yahoo.com
 Cc: NYSBIRDS-L nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

 Please don't lump all of us who live upstate together.  There are  
 a number of us here in the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions  
 that are appalled with crow hunts. It is killing for the sake of  
 killing, not to put food on the table.  Even though crows may steal  
 and eat the young of other beloved birds, crows have their own  
 predators to hopefully balance that out.  I don't believe we need  
 to be the ones to hunt them. I love crows!

 So, please don't offend those who are trying to help.
 Colleen
 - Original Message -
 From: Stella Miller
 To: Will Raup ; Linda Orkin
 Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

 Hi,

 I had to run out today right after the press release was sent to  
 me.  I did not get a chance to read it until now and see the  
 error.  Will is absolutely correct, folks upstate will not blink an  
 eye at this.  Why should they? As Will points out, it is legal by  
 state DEC laws and that is what matters to them.  It is the two  
 different worlds of downstate and upstate! I will reach out to  
 FoA, as they have the direct line to the Senator's office, and ask  
 if he can amend the release.

 Thanks for bringing this to attention!

 Stella






 Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold,  
 as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up  
 to science to spread the understanding that the choice is not  
 between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an  
 impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy
 From: Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
 To: Linda Orkin wingmagi...@gmail.com
 Cc: Stella Miller stella.mille...@yahoo.com; NYSBIRDS-L nysbirds- 
 l...@cornell.edu
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:57 PM
 Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release

 Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will  
 ignore it.  They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York  
 City DEC has to say about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE  
 DEC laws.

 It's about perception.  If the Senator had stated they  consulted  
 New York State DEC in the release would carry more wait.  Trust me,  
 having grown up in that area and know many who still live there,  
 this statement is junk and will be laughed off because of that one  
 line.   And I'm being serious.

 Will Raup
 Albany, NY

 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 From: wingmagi...@gmail.com
 To: hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
 CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu

 The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to  
 say that the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop  
 reading after that?  The senator refers only to NYS.

 Linda


 On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup  
 hoaryredp...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Sadly the fact the Senator used the term New York City DEC, means  
 it will be ignored.  It 

[nysbirds-l] Fw: CORRECTION: RELEASE: SENATOR AVELLA PROTESTS UPCOMING CROW HUNTING CONTEST

[Stella Miller]

Here is the corrected press release. Stella"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or
 people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy - Forwarded Message -   


 Thursday, March 20th, 2014 Contact:
Anna Aulova

 718-357-3094/917-669-4434













SENATOR AVELLA
PROTESTS UPCOMING CROW 

HUNTING CONTEST 





~PriorRelease Inaccurate Indicated New York City Department of Conservation - Itis inFact, 
New York STATE Department of Conservation that Currently Permits This Contest


(ALBANY, NY) In continuing to advocate for the
welfare of all animal species in New York State, Senator Tony Avella came out
against the upcoming “Crow Down” hunting contest being hosted on March 29th in
Palenville, NY. The contest, which awards prizes
for crows killed, does not have a bag limit and does not require the use of
non-toxic shots, raising significant concerns of inhumane killings. 







Unfortunately, the contest is considered perfectly
legal under the New YorkState Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC)
regulations.



To better address the raising concerns with hunting
contests, Senator Avella has co-sponsored State legislation (Bill #S.4074), with
Senator Jack Martins which would make it unlawful for any person to organize, conduct,
promote or participate in any contest or competition where the objective of
such contest or competition is to take the greatest number of wildlife.



Senator Avella stated, “While I continue to support hunting rights, I do not understand why hunting contests continue to be accepted as a general ‘family fun day’ in New York State. These contests promote the slaughtering of countless defenseless animals by creating a competitive atmosphere where hunters try to kill the most amount of wildlife. Without any limit on the amount of crows killed in this particular contest, who’s to say when is enough?” 







Edita Birnkrant, NY Director of Friends of Animals stated,
“Bloody,
barbaric events like the “Crow Down” crow killing contest to be held in
Palenville have no place in modern, civilized society. Awarding adults
and children prizes for a mass killing contest of crows promotes a dangerous,
violent attitude toward all wildlife that we share our landscapes with. Friends
of Animals strongly urges passage of Senate bill # 4074 which would prohibit all
killing contests throughout NY State which also target coyotes, squirrels and
other species that play critically important roles in our ecosystem.”







Stella
Miller, the President of the Huntington-Oyster Bay Audubon Society stated, “I was very disturbed to learn about the
crow killing contest to be held in Palenville. Crows are highly intelligent
animals and are greatly admired for their cognitive abilities. I am not
sure how this barbaric practice can be considered "sport". I am
not opposed to subsistence hunting. I am, however, adamantly opposed to
killing for the sake of killing. I am working on bringing more of the birding
and conservation community in NY together to oppose this particular event as
well as all contest "hunts". I support passage of Senate Bill #
4074 and believe firmly that contest "hunts" should be permanently
banned in New York State.”



Senator Avella concluded, “The lack of oversight of
these hunting contests, which oftentimes become animal slaughter contests, is
incredible. Living in a State which recognizes the dangers of gun use, we
should re-evaluate our approach to promoting countless wildlife killing as
means of family entertainment.”




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Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Stella Miller]

Thanks Larry!

H, I wonder if the Rip Van Winkle Rod and Gun Club has the same high 
ethical and moral standards in place that Ducks Unlimited does. 

Stella Miller

ps: remember to watch where you take your vacuum, should it need repairs!  
 



Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy



 From: Larry Federman birderla...@verizon.net
To: Rick  Linda Kedenburg kedenb...@optonline.net; Stella Miller 
stella.mille...@yahoo.com 
Cc: Colleen / spider99 spide...@stny.rr.com; NYSBIRDS-L 
nysbirds-l@cornell.edu 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 


Since my car was being serviced at the body shop listed in the flyer “for 
more info”, I needed to remain silent up to this point!  Got my car back 
today. Of course had I known they were involved in this, I would have gone 
somewhere else, but I have used them for many years.
 
In any case, I reached out to Assemblyman Lopez, Senator Tkaczy, and US 
Representative Chris Gibson on Tuesday.  None of them or their staff got 
back to me after my initial speaking with their respective staffs. I will try 
again after the weekend.
 
I did speak with one of the guys at the body shop and floated some ideas 
his way, one of which of course was to cancel the event.  He said he had no 
control over that and that I need to talk with the rod and gun club president, 
which I will try to do next week.
 
As to getting the name correct for the agency who writes the laws, I agree 
that this is very important, even though many hunters don’t respect NYS DEC 
over 
their hunting regs in the first place – it just adds credibility to Senator 
Avella’s press release.
 
There are many people in my little community of Palenville who are appalled 
by the event and support any efforts to put an end to them. Rallying support 
form the legislature will require some work, and will probably need to come 
from 
a representative whose re-election doesn’t count on taking “the right 
stand”.
 
Below is something that might help us in our cause.
 
Larry 
Federman
President, Northern Catskills Audubon Society
 
 
Victory: Ducks 
Unlimited 2,000 Bird Pigeon Shoot Cancelled
Posted on March 19, 2014
We are pleased to announce that after receiving complaints about 
the event, and less than one day after we released this videoabout the issue, 
Ducks  Unlimited 
has cancelled the shoot! 
Here is the 
email we just received from Ducks Unlimited:
  Dale Hall forwarded me your email 
regarding the pigeon shoot and asked that I respond to you directly. 
Earlier  today, several Ducks Unlimited members contacted headquarters 
staff to make us aware that one of our committees was  planning to hold a 
pigeon shoot as part of a DU event. We have policies in place holding our staff 
and local  volunteers to high ethical and moral standards, and do not 
condone wanton waste of wildlife or other animals. To  avoid the potential 
for wanton waste, the event committee has decided to change the live pigeon 
event to a sporting  clays shoot.
  Sincerely,
Matt
Matt 
Coffey Senior Communications 
Specialist DUCKS UNLIMITED 
  This 
is an astounding turn of events; for 20 years Ducks Unlimited has been holding 
these “phigeon  shoots,” where innocent pigeons have sharp pheasant tail 
feathers forced into their backs, and yet within one  day, and working 
together, we all were able to stop this vicious 
shoot.
 
 
From: Rick  Linda Kedenburg 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:11 PM
To: Stella Miller 
Cc: Colleen / spider99 ; NYSBIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 
I 
think we are all on the same side here both upstate  down.  
 
Linda  I do a lot of spring birding in the Frost Valley section of the 
catskills. There is quite a bit of land in the area that is owned by the NYC 
for 
watershed  drinking water reasons. We have birded many areas there that are 
sportsman clubs along the Willowemoc and some of that land is part of the NYC 
Watershed.
I would think a State Senator from NYC would get some attention. 
We stay with many good friends from this area, Claryville  Denning, 
and we would say most are against this type of killing. 
 
Rick
 
On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Stella Miller wrote:

I  apologize if you felt lumped into the group, and took offense, but this was  
not in anyway disparaging everyone that lives upstate.  What I was doing  was 
agreeing with Will's assessment of the situation.  The folks  participating in 
this event do happen to live upstate.  They will  likely not appreciate 
interference from folks that live downstate such as  the Senator.  Hence, my 
comment.  I was certainly not implying that  everyone that lives north of 
Westchester is some 

[nysbirds-l] Great Egret

[robert adamo]

Today, I headed east on the South Fork, stopping at: Mecox Bay, Water Mill;
Sagg Pond, Saggaponack; Hook Pond, East Hampton and at some smaller spots
in between, with the only highlights being a Red Fox in Saggaponack, and my
FOS Great Egret at Hook Pond.

Yesterday, I forgot to mention the 4 Ring-necked Pheasants that
surprised me, when I opened the blinds to the back patio, at breakfast time.

Cheers,
Bob

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