Hello all,
Just to keep everyone up on the Shrike thread --I put Shai's and Kevin
McGowan's emails (with photo
attachments of the bird) to ID-Frontiers to see what some of the best
around the U.S. and the world
have to say on the Jones Beach Shrike. I have not heard from Pyle yet.
So far,
Hi,
I see the overall bill size and body color to be pretty firmly in the
Loggerhead camp. Also, some have
noted the behavior to be more Loggerhead (see Shai's original email).
Again, I'm only going on photos.
The traits I see as more Northern are the barring on breast (Juvy
Loggerheads can
The two species don't overlap in breeding range.
Matt
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From: Orhan Birol orhanbir...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 12:39:00 -0500
To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Jones Beach Shrike
Is there no chance at all that this bird may be a hybrid?
Is there no chance at all that this bird may be a hybrid?
Orhan Birol
Shelter Island
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I have only seen this bird at a great distance through a scope, but if you look
at Phil Jeffrey's second photo and size it "Large":
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil-jeffrey/5198713688/sizes/l/in/photostream/
it may be just how the feathers are arranged, but doesn't it look like there's
I'm one of the many who tend to lean towards a small Northern. Many birds and
mammals have smaller than normal individuals in the population. I agree the
bird has a few characteristics of Loggerhead but to me most of the
identifying points such as bill hook size & color, behavior, body color,
It's worth noting that mid 20th Century birders knew Loggerhead Shrike as a
regular fall vagrant on LI and coastal southern New England, perhaps comparable
in frequency to Western Kingbird. These fall Loggerheads mostly occurred much
earlier than Northern Shrike would be expected, from late
Sure, and the correct ID has been found because the specimen still existed to
be examined. Check out
http://elibrary.unm.edu/sora/Wilson/v065n01/p0046-p0047.pdf for two such
stories from the same flock of birds.
But, these two shrike species are so different when put side-by-side that I
I know I risk excoriation here, but has a museum study skin never been
misidentified?
Bob Grover
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[mailto:bounce-7483823-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin J. McGowan
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:33 AM
To: Hugh McGuinness; Shaibal
i think this one is clearly a northern.
i lean pretty strongly towards thinking the jones beach one is a loggerhead,
though.
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Hello,
I agree Angus' bird is a good Northern, but the bird that Shai posted is
interesting!! I leaned slightly
towards a small Northern with the Jones beach bird, but admit there's some
conflicting characteristics
present. Color of bill, lack of barring on the back, look of mask (this
trait is
The following is a Pelagic Trip announcement on behalf of the New York State
Ornithological Association and the New York State Young Birders Club.
"The New York State Ornithological Association (NYSOA) and the New York
State Young Birders Club (NYSYBC) have arranged a pelagic birding weekend
My own shots of the Shrike, showing some detail:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil-jeffrey/5198713710/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil-jeffrey/5198713688/
Phil Jeffrey
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Angus,
To me your bird looks like a Northern. The mask is barely deeper than the eye
and trails down toward the nape. The color of the head is pale, not dark like
most Loggerheads (very noticeable in the drawers). And the bill appears longer
and straighter.
Cheers,
Kevin
Kevin J.
It seems appropriate to throw one more bird into the discussion mix; a
shrike that I found on 31 Oct 2010 in the Theodore Roosevelt County Park in
Montauk (Suffolk Co.), a few hundred yards from a Brewer's Blackbird. If I
recall correctly, this was shortly after the discovery of the Jones Beach
Funny, but I was going to ask about this shrike yesterday to see if anyone had
taken a long hard look at it. I saw another photo and I just can't make it
into a Northern Shrike.
I have put some photos of a specimen from the Cornell Museum of Vertebrates
that might be of interest at
Just to add some other images, here are some photos of Loggerhead Shrike
photo showing vermiculations
http://www.beachhunter.net/blog/2008/04/wherefore-art-thou-loggerhead.html
http://sdakotabirds.com/species/loggerhead_shrike_info.htm
And here is Kevin McGowan's pretty excellent review of the
I forgot to include links to photos.
Here are a few of my own, with a couple of Northern Shrike shots for comparison:
http://picasaweb.google.com/tixbirdz/LongIslandMiscellany2010#
Here are some from John Gluth:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jgluth_brb/sets/72157625379326695/with/5212944549/
A shrike present at Jones Beach West End, Nassau County, LI has been identified
by many as a Northern Shrike, but a considerable amount of back-channel
discussion has questioned whether it might actually be a Loggerhead.
When I finally saw this bird well this past weekend I was already aware of
A shrike present at Jones Beach West End, Nassau County, LI has been identified
by many as a Northern Shrike, but a considerable amount of back-channel
discussion has questioned whether it might actually be a Loggerhead.
When I finally saw this bird well this past weekend I was already aware of
I forgot to include links to photos.
Here are a few of my own, with a couple of Northern Shrike shots for comparison:
http://picasaweb.google.com/tixbirdz/LongIslandMiscellany2010#
Here are some from John Gluth:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jgluth_brb/sets/72157625379326695/with/5212944549/
Funny, but I was going to ask about this shrike yesterday to see if anyone had
taken a long hard look at it. I saw another photo and I just can't make it
into a Northern Shrike.
I have put some photos of a specimen from the Cornell Museum of Vertebrates
that might be of interest at
Angus,
To me your bird looks like a Northern. The mask is barely deeper than the eye
and trails down toward the nape. The color of the head is pale, not dark like
most Loggerheads (very noticeable in the drawers). And the bill appears longer
and straighter.
Cheers,
Kevin
Kevin J.
The following is a Pelagic Trip announcement on behalf of the New York State
Ornithological Association and the New York State Young Birders Club.
The New York State Ornithological Association (NYSOA) and the New York
State Young Birders Club (NYSYBC) have arranged a pelagic birding weekend
Hello,
I agree Angus' bird is a good Northern, but the bird that Shai posted is
interesting!! I leaned slightly
towards a small Northern with the Jones beach bird, but admit there's some
conflicting characteristics
present. Color of bill, lack of barring on the back, look of mask (this
trait is
Sure, and the correct ID has been found because the specimen still existed to
be examined. Check out
http://elibrary.unm.edu/sora/Wilson/v065n01/p0046-p0047.pdf for two such
stories from the same flock of birds.
But, these two shrike species are so different when put side-by-side that I
It's worth noting that mid 20th Century birders knew Loggerhead Shrike as a
regular fall vagrant on LI and coastal southern New England, perhaps comparable
in frequency to Western Kingbird. These fall Loggerheads mostly occurred much
earlier than Northern Shrike would be expected, from late
I have only seen this bird at a great distance through a scope, but if you look
at Phil Jeffrey's second photo and size it Large:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil-jeffrey/5198713688/sizes/l/in/photostream/
it may be just how the feathers are arranged, but doesn't it look like there's
Is there no chance at all that this bird may be a hybrid?
Orhan Birol
Shelter Island
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NYSbirds-L List Info:
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http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES
ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2)
The two species don't overlap in breeding range.
Matt
Original Message:
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From: Orhan Birol orhanbir...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 12:39:00 -0500
To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Jones Beach Shrike
Is there no chance at all that this bird may be a hybrid?
Hello all,
Just to keep everyone up on the Shrike thread --I put Shai's and Kevin
McGowan's emails (with photo
attachments of the bird) to ID-Frontiers to see what some of the best
around the U.S. and the world
have to say on the Jones Beach Shrike. I have not heard from Pyle yet.
So far,
It seems appropriate to throw one more bird into the discussion mix; a
shrike that I found on 31 Oct 2010 in the Theodore Roosevelt County Park in
Montauk (Suffolk Co.), a few hundred yards from a Brewer's Blackbird. If I
recall correctly, this was shortly after the discovery of the Jones Beach
I know I risk excoriation here, but has a museum study skin never been
misidentified?
Bob Grover
From: bounce-7483823-3714...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-7483823-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin J. McGowan
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:33 AM
To: Hugh McGuinness; Shaibal
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