Re: [nysbirds-l] Interesting raptor, Ulster County

2019-04-09 Thread Larry Federman 

Here's a response from someone not on this listserve:

"Interesting.
still a RS.
wingshape not right for Gray (too lanky, blunt-tipped and broad throughout 
the length). Gray's are quite compact. face pattern not bold enough. I've 
seen quite a few Gray hawks and this just doesn't jump out as a possibility 
here. not that it couldn't happen. this just isn't the one.

feel free to put this on NYSbirds as I am not on that list.

Zach Smith
Raptor Biologist
http://gunkskestrels.blogspot.com";



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Why isn't it a Red-shouldered Hawk?

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Interesting raptor, Ulster County

While perusing the eBird Rarities photo gallery on my lunch break, I came 
across two images of a raptor seen yesterday (4/7) in Ulster County:


https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S54719551

Identified by the observer as a Northern Goshawk, the bird is clearly not an 
accipiter but a buteoine hawk. It does not appear to be one of the resident 
or migrant species expected here in NY though. What is it then? I think the 
facial pattern in particular makes immature Gray Hawk (GRHA) a possible 
candidate. But I�d be really interested in what other birders with more 
knowledge of neotropical buteos think as I have only limited field 
experience with that group, although that includes encounters with immature 
GRHAs (TX 2003, AZ 2018).


https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S47684324

With the Maine Great Black Hawk still a fresh memory and Zone-tailed Hawk(s) 
also seen in the northeast within the past few years, Gray Hawk is no longer 
an outlandish thought. Whatever the Ulster bird is, it could still be 
somewhere in the state, so keep your eyes to the skies.


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Interesting raptor, Ulster County

2019-04-09 Thread zach schwartz-weinstein 
The original bird shows pale wing crescents and even spotting down the
breast.  I’m not sure why immature Red-Shouldered Hawk should be ruled out
in favor of something more exciting.

On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 6:03 PM John Gluth  wrote:

> While perusing the eBird Rarities photo gallery on my lunch break, I came
> across two images of a raptor seen yesterday (4/7) in Ulster County:
>
> https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S54719551
>
> Identified by the observer as a Northern Goshawk, the bird is clearly not
> an accipiter but a buteoine hawk. It does not appear to be one of the
> resident or migrant species expected here in NY though. What is it then? I
> think the facial pattern in particular makes immature Gray Hawk (GRHA) a
> possible candidate. But I’d be really interested in what other birders with
> more knowledge of neotropical buteos think as I have only limited field
> experience with that group, although that includes encounters with immature
> GRHAs (TX 2003, AZ 2018).
>
> https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S47684324
>
> With the Maine Great Black Hawk still a fresh memory and Zone-tailed
> Hawk(s) also seen in the northeast within the past few years, Gray Hawk is
> no longer an outlandish thought. Whatever the Ulster bird is, it could
> still be somewhere in the state, so keep your eyes to the skies.
>
> John Gluth, sent from my iPhone
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Re:[nysbirds-l] Interesting raptor, Ulster County

2019-04-09 Thread John Gluth 
My apologies if the second link was broken. This should work.
https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S47684324

Also, if, as is more likely, this bird is ‘only’ a somewhat atypical 
Red-shouldered Hawk, again, my apologies. 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Interesting raptor, Ulster County

2019-04-09 Thread Steve Walter 
It might be that picture that gives the impression of a “heavy” black line. But 
there is always a dark line extending back from the eye. That’s especially 
evident when a white supercilium is present. If the supercilum is darker, 
you’ll have a more uniform looking head. 

 

From: Mike [mailto:mike...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2019 6:43 AM
To: Steve Walter 
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Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Interesting raptor, Ulster County

 

How about the heavy blackish line through the eye- does Red-shouldered 
typically look that heavily marked or might it be an artifact of lighting?

 

Thanks

 

Mike

RIidge

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On Apr 8, 2019, at 7:08 PM, Steve Walter mailto:swalte...@verizon.net> > wrote:

Why not an immature Red-shouldered Hawk? Streaking on the breast and long wings 
with rather parallel leading and trailing edges fit. Gray Hawk is chunkier 
(like a Broad-winged Hawk). There’s a picture of an immature on my web site 
(http://stevewalternature.com/ ),  on the Butoes in flight gallery. I don’t see 
crescents to clinch Red-shoulder, but the pictures aren’t great. There’s an old 
axiom at hawk watches. If you think you have a Goshawk and it turns out to be a 
Buteo, then it’s a Red-shouldered. Or is it the other way around?

 

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Interesting raptor, Ulster County

2019-04-09 Thread Mike 
How about the heavy blackish line through the eye- does Red-shouldered 
typically look that heavily marked or might it be an artifact of lighting?

Thanks

Mike
RIidge

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2019, at 7:08 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
> 
> Why not an immature Red-shouldered Hawk? Streaking on the breast and long 
> wings with rather parallel leading and trailing edges fit. Gray Hawk is 
> chunkier (like a Broad-winged Hawk). There’s a picture of an immature on my 
> web site (http://stevewalternature.com/ ),  on the Butoes in flight gallery. 
> I don’t see crescents to clinch Red-shoulder, but the pictures aren’t great. 
> There’s an old axiom at hawk watches. If you think you have a Goshawk and it 
> turns out to be a Buteo, then it’s a Red-shouldered. Or is it the other way 
> around?
>  
> Steve Walter
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Interesting raptor, Ulster County

2019-04-08 Thread Shaibal Mitra 
Why isn't it a Red-shouldered Hawk?

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Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 6:02 PM
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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Interesting raptor, Ulster County

While perusing the eBird Rarities photo gallery on my lunch break, I came 
across two images of a raptor seen yesterday (4/7) in Ulster County:

https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S54719551

Identified by the observer as a Northern Goshawk, the bird is clearly not an 
accipiter but a buteoine hawk. It does not appear to be one of the resident or 
migrant species expected here in NY though. What is it then? I think the facial 
pattern in particular makes immature Gray Hawk (GRHA) a possible candidate. But 
I’d be really interested in what other birders with more knowledge of 
neotropical buteos think as I have only limited field experience with that 
group, although that includes encounters with immature GRHAs (TX 2003, AZ 2018).

https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S47684324

With the Maine Great Black Hawk still a fresh memory and Zone-tailed Hawk(s) 
also seen in the northeast within the past few years, Gray Hawk is no longer an 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Interesting raptor, Ulster County

2019-04-08 Thread Steve Walter 
Why not an immature Red-shouldered Hawk? Streaking on the breast and long
wings with rather parallel leading and trailing edges fit. Gray Hawk is
chunkier (like a Broad-winged Hawk). There's a picture of an immature on my
web site (http://stevewalternature.com/ ),  on the Butoes in flight gallery.
I don't see crescents to clinch Red-shoulder, but the pictures aren't great.
There's an old axiom at hawk watches. If you think you have a Goshawk and it
turns out to be a Buteo, then it's a Red-shouldered. Or is it the other way
around?

 

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[nysbirds-l] Interesting raptor, Ulster County

2019-04-08 Thread John Gluth 
While perusing the eBird Rarities photo gallery on my lunch break, I came 
across two images of a raptor seen yesterday (4/7) in Ulster County: 

https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S54719551

Identified by the observer as a Northern Goshawk, the bird is clearly not an 
accipiter but a buteoine hawk. It does not appear to be one of the resident or 
migrant species expected here in NY though. What is it then? I think the facial 
pattern in particular makes immature Gray Hawk (GRHA) a possible candidate. But 
I’d be really interested in what other birders with more knowledge of 
neotropical buteos think as I have only limited field experience with that 
group, although that includes encounters with immature GRHAs (TX 2003, AZ 2018).

https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S47684324
 
With the Maine Great Black Hawk still a fresh memory and Zone-tailed Hawk(s) 
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