Re: [nysbirds-l] Monk Parakeets & Shawangunk Grasslands NWR birds

2012-03-12 Thread John Laver 
Agreed on the gratuitous insult point, it adds nothing to any worthwhile
discussion.

On the other hand, I'm a birder and I always have a current Duck Stamp (and
I know several other birders who do as well), I buy mine at Brigantine.  I
also support the American Littoral Society which measures the health of the
Striped Bass fishery as well as being active in many other coastal
conservation projects - I also know many birders who support ALS too.  So
let's not generalize harshly in the other direction.

But Mr. Wasilco's point is worth thinking about.  If you bird, you probably
use NWR's somewhere, so keep a current Duck Stamp.  It's the right thing to
do.

John Laver





On the other hand, knowledge has progressed since the managing refuges for
maximum game species

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Mike Wasilco
wrote:

>  He was probably trying to fill his tags since yesterday was opening day
> of moron season and he heard that was a good spot to go after photographers
> harrassing birds.
>
> Seriously though, you really should not be insulting the very group of
> people who have historically provided the vast majority of funding used to
> protect the area many birders like to frequent.  The National Wildlife
> Refuge system as well as all the state wildlife lands are paid for using
> funds from hunters through license fees, duck stamps and excise taxes on
> guns, ammo and hunting equipment.  Meanwhile birders and all sorts of other
> users benefit from this funding while contributing nothing toward the
> management and acquisition of these sites, yet they feel that they can
> blame hunters for any and all problems.  Hunters have also been the driving
> force behind many of the successful wildlife restoration programs in this
> country after commercial harvest had nearly wiped out many species (turkey,
> deer, waterfowl, bison, etc.).
>
>
> Michael R. Wasilco
> Regional Wildlife Manager
> NYS Department of Environmental Conservation
> Region 8 Bureau of Wildlife
> 6274 East Avon-Lima Road
> Avon, NY  14414
> (585)226-5460
> >>> Andrew Block  3/12/2012 11:15 AM >>>
>  My friend Mark Schwartz reported he saw a flock of 4 Monk Parakeets in
> Freeport, NY yesterday afternoon.  I went to Shawangunk Grasslands NWR with
> my friend Scott Perry yesterday late afternoon and saw some good stuff but
> no owls.  We had 3+ Rough-legged Hawks, 3 Red-tailed Hawks, 8+ Northern
> Harriers, 6+ Eastern Meadowlarks, and many Red-winged Blackbirds.  There
> were also atleast 100 White-tailed Deer in the newly churned up areas of
> the refuge.  I hadn't seen that many deer together in years.  Of course
> they got spooked when some moron hunter went walking along the edge and
> back of the property.
>
> Andrew
>
> *Andrew v. F. Block*
> *Consulting Naturalist/Wildlife Biologist*
> 37 Tanglewylde Avenue
> Bronxville, Westchester Co., New York 10708-3131
> Phone: 914-337-1229; Cell: 914-319-9701; Fax: 914-771-8036
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Monk Parakeets & Shawangunk Grasslands NWR birds

2012-03-12 Thread Mike Wasilco 
He was probably trying to fill his tags since yesterday was opening day of 
moron season and he heard that was a good spot to go after photographers 
harrassing birds.
 
Seriously though, you really should not be insulting the very group of people 
who have historically provided the vast majority of funding used to protect the 
area many birders like to frequent.  The National Wildlife Refuge system as 
well as all the state wildlife lands are paid for using funds from hunters 
through license fees, duck stamps and excise taxes on guns, ammo and hunting 
equipment.  Meanwhile birders and all sorts of other users benefit from this 
funding while contributing nothing toward the management and acquisition of 
these sites, yet they feel that they can blame hunters for any and all 
problems.  Hunters have also been the driving force behind many of the 
successful wildlife restoration programs in this country after commercial 
harvest had nearly wiped out many species (turkey, deer, waterfowl, bison, 
etc.).

 
Michael R. Wasilco
Regional Wildlife Manager
NYS Department of Environmental Conservation
Region 8 Bureau of Wildlife
6274 East Avon-Lima Road
Avon, NY  14414
(585)226-5460
>>> Andrew Block  3/12/2012 11:15 AM >>>
My friend Mark Schwartz reported he saw a flock of 4 Monk Parakeets in 
Freeport, NY yesterday afternoon.  I went to Shawangunk Grasslands NWR with my 
friend Scott Perry yesterday late afternoon and saw some good stuff but no 
owls.  We had 3+ Rough-legged Hawks, 3 Red-tailed Hawks, 8+ Northern Harriers, 
6+ Eastern Meadowlarks, and many Red-winged Blackbirds.  There were also 
atleast 100 White-tailed Deer in the newly churned up areas of the refuge.  I 
hadn't seen that many deer together in years.  Of course they got spooked when 
some moron hunter went walking along the edge and back of the property.
 
Andrew
 
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37 Tanglewylde Avenue
Bronxville, Westchester Co., New York 10708-3131
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[nysbirds-l] Monk Parakeets & Shawangunk Grasslands NWR birds

2012-03-12 Thread Andrew Block 
My friend Mark Schwartz reported he saw a flock of 4 Monk Parakeets in 
Freeport, NY yesterday afternoon.  I went to Shawangunk Grasslands NWR with my 
friend Scott Perry yesterday late afternoon and saw some good stuff but no 
owls.  We had 3+ Rough-legged Hawks, 3 Red-tailed Hawks, 8+ Northern Harriers, 
6+ Eastern Meadowlarks, and many Red-winged Blackbirds.  There were also 
atleast 100 White-tailed Deer in the newly churned up areas of the refuge.  I 
hadn't seen that many deer together in years.  Of course they got spooked when 
some moron hunter went walking along the edge and back of the property.
 
Andrew

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[nysbirds-l] Monk Parakeets Shawangunk Grasslands NWR birds

2012-03-12 Thread Andrew Block 
My friend Mark Schwartz reported he saw a flock of 4 Monk Parakeets in 
Freeport, NY yesterday afternoon.  I went to Shawangunk Grasslands NWR with my 
friend Scott Perry yesterday late afternoon and saw some good stuff but no 
owls.  We had 3+ Rough-legged Hawks, 3 Red-tailed Hawks, 8+ Northern Harriers, 
6+ Eastern Meadowlarks, and many Red-winged Blackbirds.  There were also 
atleast 100 White-tailed Deer in the newly churned up areas of the refuge.  I 
hadn't seen that many deer together in years.  Of course they got spooked when 
some moron hunter went walking along the edge and back of the property.
 
Andrew

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Monk Parakeets Shawangunk Grasslands NWR birds

2012-03-12 Thread Mike Wasilco 
He was probably trying to fill his tags since yesterday was opening day of 
moron season and he heard that was a good spot to go after photographers 
harrassing birds.
 
Seriously though, you really should not be insulting the very group of people 
who have historically provided the vast majority of funding used to protect the 
area many birders like to frequent.  The National Wildlife Refuge system as 
well as all the state wildlife lands are paid for using funds from hunters 
through license fees, duck stamps and excise taxes on guns, ammo and hunting 
equipment.  Meanwhile birders and all sorts of other users benefit from this 
funding while contributing nothing toward the management and acquisition of 
these sites, yet they feel that they can blame hunters for any and all 
problems.  Hunters have also been the driving force behind many of the 
successful wildlife restoration programs in this country after commercial 
harvest had nearly wiped out many species (turkey, deer, waterfowl, bison, 
etc.).

 
Michael R. Wasilco
Regional Wildlife Manager
NYS Department of Environmental Conservation
Region 8 Bureau of Wildlife
6274 East Avon-Lima Road
Avon, NY  14414
(585)226-5460
 Andrew Block ablock22...@yahoo.com 3/12/2012 11:15 AM 
My friend Mark Schwartz reported he saw a flock of 4 Monk Parakeets in 
Freeport, NY yesterday afternoon.  I went to Shawangunk Grasslands NWR with my 
friend Scott Perry yesterday late afternoon and saw some good stuff but no 
owls.  We had 3+ Rough-legged Hawks, 3 Red-tailed Hawks, 8+ Northern Harriers, 
6+ Eastern Meadowlarks, and many Red-winged Blackbirds.  There were also 
atleast 100 White-tailed Deer in the newly churned up areas of the refuge.  I 
hadn't seen that many deer together in years.  Of course they got spooked when 
some moron hunter went walking along the edge and back of the property.
 
Andrew
 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Monk Parakeets Shawangunk Grasslands NWR birds

2012-03-12 Thread John Laver 
Agreed on the gratuitous insult point, it adds nothing to any worthwhile
discussion.

On the other hand, I'm a birder and I always have a current Duck Stamp (and
I know several other birders who do as well), I buy mine at Brigantine.  I
also support the American Littoral Society which measures the health of the
Striped Bass fishery as well as being active in many other coastal
conservation projects - I also know many birders who support ALS too.  So
let's not generalize harshly in the other direction.

But Mr. Wasilco's point is worth thinking about.  If you bird, you probably
use NWR's somewhere, so keep a current Duck Stamp.  It's the right thing to
do.

John Laver





On the other hand, knowledge has progressed since the managing refuges for
maximum game species

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Mike Wasilco
mrwas...@gw.dec.state.ny.uswrote:

  He was probably trying to fill his tags since yesterday was opening day
 of moron season and he heard that was a good spot to go after photographers
 harrassing birds.

 Seriously though, you really should not be insulting the very group of
 people who have historically provided the vast majority of funding used to
 protect the area many birders like to frequent.  The National Wildlife
 Refuge system as well as all the state wildlife lands are paid for using
 funds from hunters through license fees, duck stamps and excise taxes on
 guns, ammo and hunting equipment.  Meanwhile birders and all sorts of other
 users benefit from this funding while contributing nothing toward the
 management and acquisition of these sites, yet they feel that they can
 blame hunters for any and all problems.  Hunters have also been the driving
 force behind many of the successful wildlife restoration programs in this
 country after commercial harvest had nearly wiped out many species (turkey,
 deer, waterfowl, bison, etc.).


 Michael R. Wasilco
 Regional Wildlife Manager
 NYS Department of Environmental Conservation
 Region 8 Bureau of Wildlife
 6274 East Avon-Lima Road
 Avon, NY  14414
 (585)226-5460
  Andrew Block ablock22...@yahoo.com 3/12/2012 11:15 AM 
  My friend Mark Schwartz reported he saw a flock of 4 Monk Parakeets in
 Freeport, NY yesterday afternoon.  I went to Shawangunk Grasslands NWR with
 my friend Scott Perry yesterday late afternoon and saw some good stuff but
 no owls.  We had 3+ Rough-legged Hawks, 3 Red-tailed Hawks, 8+ Northern
 Harriers, 6+ Eastern Meadowlarks, and many Red-winged Blackbirds.  There
 were also atleast 100 White-tailed Deer in the newly churned up areas of
 the refuge.  I hadn't seen that many deer together in years.  Of course
 they got spooked when some moron hunter went walking along the edge and
 back of the property.

 Andrew

 *Andrew v. F. Block*
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