Re:[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese? Cararsie Pier in Brooklyn

2019-11-16 Thread Richard Perkins / TAM
False alarm, just the snow/brant hybrids. That apparently come every year
The school

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019, 8:56 AM Richard Perkins / TAM  wrote:

> 2 geese.  Appear to be Ross's. With a group of brant on the grass near the
> water. Possible hybrids? Black on wings
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Re:[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese? Cararsie Pier in Brooklyn

2019-11-16 Thread Richard Perkins / TAM
False alarm, just the snow/brant hybrids. That apparently come every year
The school

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019, 8:56 AM Richard Perkins / TAM  wrote:

> 2 geese.  Appear to be Ross's. With a group of brant on the grass near the
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> Aidan Perkins
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> https://www.flickr.com/photos/123534288@N08
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[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese? Cararsie Pier in Brooklyn

2019-11-16 Thread Richard Perkins / TAM
2 geese.  Appear to be Ross's. With a group of brant on the grass near the
water. Possible hybrids? Black on wings

Aidan Perkins

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[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese? Cararsie Pier in Brooklyn

2019-11-16 Thread Richard Perkins / TAM
2 geese.  Appear to be Ross's. With a group of brant on the grass near the
water. Possible hybrids? Black on wings

Aidan Perkins

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[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - East Hampton (Suffolk)

2018-01-11 Thread Derek Rogers
Passing along a message from Paul D'Andrea who discovered two Ross's Geese
feeding in the farm fields with a large flock of Canada Geese on Long Lane
in East Hampton. The flock shuffles around in this area but they're
currently favoring the fields along the south side Long Lane, just east of
the intersection with Stephen Hands Path.

Best,

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Sayville

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[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - East Hampton (Suffolk)

2018-01-11 Thread Derek Rogers
Passing along a message from Paul D'Andrea who discovered two Ross's Geese
feeding in the farm fields with a large flock of Canada Geese on Long Lane
in East Hampton. The flock shuffles around in this area but they're
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the intersection with Stephen Hands Path.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - Short Pond, Water Mill, Suffolk

2017-02-05 Thread Bruce Horwith
2 Ross' and 4 Snow geese at 9:30 this morning, but they took off shortly
after -- may be in one of the fields south of the pond. And a mature bald
eagle over Montauk Hwy near Bridgehampton Commons. They now seem to be so
common I wonder if they are "report worthy". In any event, I still find
them impressive. Ruddy duck and common mergs on Kellis Pond, just west of
the Commons.

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[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - Short Pond, Water Mill, Suffolk

2017-02-04 Thread Eileen Schwinn
Two Ross's Geese, two Snow Geese, 800 Canada Geese and an immature Bald Eagle 
are currently at Short Pond, Scuttlehole Rd, near Cooks La.All are in the 
water, except for the Eagle.  Photos of all have been taken.
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[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - Short Pond, Water Mill, Suffolk

2017-02-04 Thread Eileen Schwinn
Two Ross's Geese, two Snow Geese, 800 Canada Geese and an immature Bald Eagle 
are currently at Short Pond, Scuttlehole Rd, near Cooks La.All are in the 
water, except for the Eagle.  Photos of all have been taken.
Eileen Schwinn 
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[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

2017-01-08 Thread Robert A. Proniewych
At Eldar Lake in the town of North Babylon. On  Phelps Lane.off of Deer
Park Avenue.

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[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

2017-01-08 Thread Robert A. Proniewych
At Eldar Lake in the town of North Babylon. On  Phelps Lane.off of Deer
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[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

2016-12-30 Thread Joe Jannsen
Currently being seen at Robert Moses State Park circle.

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[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

2016-12-30 Thread Joe Jannsen
Currently being seen at Robert Moses State Park circle.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co

2016-12-21 Thread Vinny Pellegrino
The 2 Ross's Geese are still in the same area as of 3PM.  Also a Peregrine 
Falcon perched on the 1st bridge.

Vinny 

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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Shaibal Mitra <shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu> wrote:
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> Patricia Lindsay reports that the Ross's Geese are present this morning on 
> the grassy circle around the tower at Robert Moses SP.
> 
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
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> From: bounce-121098737-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
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> There are two adult Ross's Geese at the base of the Robert Moses SP tower in 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co

2016-12-21 Thread Vinny Pellegrino
The 2 Ross's Geese are still in the same area as of 3PM.  Also a Peregrine 
Falcon perched on the 1st bridge.

Vinny 

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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Shaibal Mitra  wrote:
> 
> Patricia Lindsay reports that the Ross's Geese are present this morning on 
> the grassy circle around the tower at Robert Moses SP.
> 
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
> 
> From: bounce-121098737-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
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> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co
> 
> There are two adult Ross's Geese at the base of the Robert Moses SP tower in 
> a small flock of Canada's.
> Good luck,
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co

2016-12-21 Thread Shaibal Mitra
Patricia Lindsay reports that the Ross's Geese are present this morning on the 
grassy circle around the tower at Robert Moses SP.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

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There are two adult Ross's Geese at the base of the Robert Moses SP tower in a 
small flock of Canada's.
Good luck,
Mike McBrien


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RE: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co

2016-12-21 Thread Shaibal Mitra
Patricia Lindsay reports that the Ross's Geese are present this morning on the 
grassy circle around the tower at Robert Moses SP.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: bounce-121098737-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
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There are two adult Ross's Geese at the base of the Robert Moses SP tower in a 
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Good luck,
Mike McBrien


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Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co

2016-12-20 Thread Keith Cashman
As of 12:45 PM, the pair are still feeding at the base of the RMSP water tower. 
Very people tolerant. Nice find. 

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Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co

2016-12-20 Thread Keith Cashman
As of 12:45 PM, the pair are still feeding at the base of the RMSP water tower. 
Very people tolerant. Nice find. 

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> There are two adult Ross's Geese at the base of the Robert Moses SP tower in 
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[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co

2016-12-20 Thread Mike McBrien
There are two adult Ross's Geese at the base of the Robert Moses SP tower in a 
small flock of Canada's.
Good luck,
Mike McBrien


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[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co

2016-12-20 Thread Mike McBrien
There are two adult Ross's Geese at the base of the Robert Moses SP tower in a 
small flock of Canada's.
Good luck,
Mike McBrien


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[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese Johnson City, NY Broome County

2016-12-18 Thread David Nicosia
3 ROSS'S GEESE were found among a flock of CANADA
GEESE at the Polar Shot Golf Course in Johnson City,  NY
today by Derek Green and Tim Hill.  This constitutes a
first record (e-bird) for Broome County.

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[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese Johnson City, NY Broome County

2016-12-18 Thread David Nicosia
3 ROSS'S GEESE were found among a flock of CANADA
GEESE at the Polar Shot Golf Course in Johnson City,  NY
today by Derek Green and Tim Hill.  This constitutes a
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

2011-03-07 Thread Shaibal Mitra
Hi John and all,

Instead of a can of worms I'd call this a useful conversation.

Shawn is correct that nine Ross's Geese were recorded at Montezuma on 24 Oct 
2008, and I'd like to point out that this information was published very 
prominently in the March 2009 issue of "The Kingbird," Volume 59, pages 74-77. 
Both Tom Johnson in his Finger Lakes quarterly report and Andy Guthrie, in his 
statewide "Highlights of the Season" essay (page 48 of the same issue) refer to 
the record as a "Regional high count," meaning a maximum for NYSOA's Region 3 
(Finger Lakes). I would guess that they stopped short of calling it a statewide 
maximum because they wanted to check records from other Regions carefully first.

In this regard, Kevin is right that eBird has not scratched the surface of 20th 
Century (or earlier) ornithological history, and he describes well the 
publications that form the backbone of New York State ornithological knowledge. 
Someone wishing to research the history of records of a particular species in 
NYS must, at a minimum, check the following sources: Bull 1974, Levine 1998, 
and "The Kingbird" Volumes 1 through present.

"The Kingbird" includes at least three categories of data review and analysis: 
(a) individual records vetted by expert Regional editors in their quarterly 
reports; (b) review of some particularly unusual records by the NYS Avian 
Records Committee in their statewide annual reports (Ross's Goose reports were 
reviewed by NYSARC through 2004, but not since); and (c) dedicated articles 
assessing all potential sources of data, and evaluating these according to 
explicitly stated criteria (John recently performed this service in his review 
of vagrant hummingbirds in the June 2010 issue of "The Kingbird").

Thanks to the hard work of many people at the New York State Ornithological 
Association, "The Kingbird" is now available in a searchable online archive 
(except for the most recent two volumes), as noted recently by Berna, in 
reference to a query regarding unusual dates for Blue-winged Teal, at:

http://nybirds.org/KBsearch.htm

What about eBird? This is an immensely powerful and useful tool, and I would 
suggest using it to guide your searches through the three primary sources named 
above. But I would never use it as the source for a noteworthy record not 
otherwise corroborated by a primary source. If a noteworthy report is to be 
accepted by others, it ought to be treated as noteworthy--beginning with the 
observer! In my experience, eBird's "lurkers" (= exceptional records not 
otherwise reported to the broader ornithological community) are too often 
erroneous to simply accept them all at face value and include them in scholarly 
reviews of, for instance, wintering Blue-winged Teal or Ross's Goose expansion. 
The solution is easy: if you see something unusual that you'd like other people 
to take seriously, take it seriously yourself! Don't just click a box on an 
online checklist; take a moment to explain it to the people you'd like to 
accept it.

To close, I'd suggest that the extraordinary recent events in Orange County 
deserve a prominent platform and could be the catalyst for a critical 
re-assessment of the status of Ross's Goose in New York State. (Hint: deadline 
for text to be included in the fall 2011 issue, covering the spring 2011 
season, is 15 July.)

Shai Mitra
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

2011-03-07 Thread Shaibal Mitra
Hi John and all,

Instead of a can of worms I'd call this a useful conversation.

Shawn is correct that nine Ross's Geese were recorded at Montezuma on 24 Oct 
2008, and I'd like to point out that this information was published very 
prominently in the March 2009 issue of The Kingbird, Volume 59, pages 74-77. 
Both Tom Johnson in his Finger Lakes quarterly report and Andy Guthrie, in his 
statewide Highlights of the Season essay (page 48 of the same issue) refer to 
the record as a Regional high count, meaning a maximum for NYSOA's Region 3 
(Finger Lakes). I would guess that they stopped short of calling it a statewide 
maximum because they wanted to check records from other Regions carefully first.

In this regard, Kevin is right that eBird has not scratched the surface of 20th 
Century (or earlier) ornithological history, and he describes well the 
publications that form the backbone of New York State ornithological knowledge. 
Someone wishing to research the history of records of a particular species in 
NYS must, at a minimum, check the following sources: Bull 1974, Levine 1998, 
and The Kingbird Volumes 1 through present.

The Kingbird includes at least three categories of data review and analysis: 
(a) individual records vetted by expert Regional editors in their quarterly 
reports; (b) review of some particularly unusual records by the NYS Avian 
Records Committee in their statewide annual reports (Ross's Goose reports were 
reviewed by NYSARC through 2004, but not since); and (c) dedicated articles 
assessing all potential sources of data, and evaluating these according to 
explicitly stated criteria (John recently performed this service in his review 
of vagrant hummingbirds in the June 2010 issue of The Kingbird).

Thanks to the hard work of many people at the New York State Ornithological 
Association, The Kingbird is now available in a searchable online archive 
(except for the most recent two volumes), as noted recently by Berna, in 
reference to a query regarding unusual dates for Blue-winged Teal, at:

http://nybirds.org/KBsearch.htm

What about eBird? This is an immensely powerful and useful tool, and I would 
suggest using it to guide your searches through the three primary sources named 
above. But I would never use it as the source for a noteworthy record not 
otherwise corroborated by a primary source. If a noteworthy report is to be 
accepted by others, it ought to be treated as noteworthy--beginning with the 
observer! In my experience, eBird's lurkers (= exceptional records not 
otherwise reported to the broader ornithological community) are too often 
erroneous to simply accept them all at face value and include them in scholarly 
reviews of, for instance, wintering Blue-winged Teal or Ross's Goose expansion. 
The solution is easy: if you see something unusual that you'd like other people 
to take seriously, take it seriously yourself! Don't just click a box on an 
online checklist; take a moment to explain it to the people you'd like to 
accept it.

To close, I'd suggest that the extraordinary recent events in Orange County 
deserve a prominent platform and could be the catalyst for a critical 
re-assessment of the status of Ross's Goose in New York State. (Hint: deadline 
for text to be included in the fall 2011 issue, covering the spring 2011 
season, is 15 July.)

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

2011-03-06 Thread Kevin J. McGowan
What a great goose weekend!  Wish I could have been there.

Just for the record, on 13 November 2010 I had a blue phase Ross's x Snow 
hybrid at Knox-Marcellus marsh at Montezuma NWR, along with a white hybrid.  
The bird had the Ross's's blue phase coloring, quite different from the "Blue" 
Snows present.  Although the overall look was the same, it did not have the 
clear, straight rear beak edge that your bird has that indicates a pure(ish?) 
Ross's Goose.  Unfortunately, I got no photographs of my bird.  Congratulations 
on a great sighting with good documentation.

I feel the need to comment on Shawn's statement about the records of high 
counts in the state.  While eBird is a great tool and one of the first places I 
look for these kinds of data, it does not have anywhere near all of the 
historical data yet, and many (most?) of the listed "high counts" are nothing 
of the kind.  A quick perusal of Bull 1974 or Levine 1998 shows published 
maximum counts far surpassing many of those listed on that eBird page.  Lots 
are an order of magnitude or more higher.

I do not want to take anything away from eBird.  It is, perhaps, the best tool 
we could hope for to keep track of New York bird data and points toward a 
bright future.  But, to rely on it alone at this point is to neglect a great, 
nearly 200-year-old, history of bird study in New York.  There were some big 
changes in bird populations in the 19th and 20th centuries, and many New 
Yorkers were there to document them.  It would be very poor scholarship indeed 
to ignore those contributions.  Although none are available online yet, New 
York has more than the average number of books on the birds of the state: DeKay 
1844, Eaton 1910-1914, Bull 1974, Anderle and Carroll 1988, Levine 1998, and 
McGowan and Corwin 2008.  All are recommended references for people interested 
in birds of New York.

NYSARC is a splendid resource, and happily all of the reports are available at 
http://nybirds.org/NYSARC/NYSARCActions.html.  The committee does a good job of 
keeping track of listed species, and when push comes to shove, its reports are 
the only rigorously reviewed and official record of rare birds in the state.  
But, it does not track anything except review species, and a number of birds 
such as Ross's Goose have dropped off the list because of their increased 
frequency of occurrence in the state.  Then we have to rely on published 
reports in The Kingbird, which fortunately also has a good web presence with a 
searchable archive of all issues at http://nybirds.org/KBsearch.htm.  Not 
reported, not reviewed? Why should anyone believe them?

I look forward to John's compilation of reports of Ross's Geese.  The species 
was first officially recorded in New York in 1983 (my first was in 1991).  
Since then it has been reported nearly annually, with numbers increasing along 
with increased Snow and Ross's goose populations breeding in the Arctic.  Five 
in one flock doesn't surprise me in the least.  I expect more in the future, 
and will be watching for them.

Best,

Kevin

From: bounce-8873543-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-8873543-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shawn Billerman
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 4:04 PM
To: vanh...@citlink.net; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

Hi John,

I thought I'd chime in on this discussion.  On October 24, 2008, Tom Johnson 
and I had 9 Ross's Geese on the Main Pool on the Wildlife Drive of Montezuma 
National Wildlife Refuge.

This data, and high count data for all other species recorded in the state can 
be found in eBird.  For NY, this data can be seen here:

http://ebird.org/ebird/sightings?locInfo.regionType=subnational1=high_count=1900=true=2011=US-NY

High count data can also be found for individual counties, hotspots, or 
Important Bird Areas.

While some historical data may be missing and not yet entered, high count data 
(especially for NY) is very complete and up-to-date.

It is difficult to tell, but I do believe that this is likely the first record 
of a Blue Ross' Goose for NY.  It's a spectacular find, and has been nicely 
documented.

Good Birding,

Shawn Billerman
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM, 
mailto:vanh...@citlink.net>> wrote:
A quick search of the Kingbird Archives turned up several records of two Ross's 
Geese, one record of three RG, and a record of (5) five Ross's Geese present at 
the Savannah Mucklands 11/18/06.  All other records I found indicate a single 
bird.  If I didn't miss records, this is only the second time that (5) birds 
have been present in New York.  I also looked for records of Blue-phase Ross's 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

2011-03-06 Thread Shawn Billerman
Hi John,

I thought I'd chime in on this discussion.  On October 24, 2008, Tom Johnson
and I had 9 Ross's Geese on the Main Pool on the Wildlife Drive of Montezuma
National Wildlife Refuge.

This data, and high count data for all other species recorded in the state
can be found in eBird.  For NY, this data can be seen here:

http://ebird.org/ebird/sightings?locInfo.regionType=subnational1=high_count=1900=true=2011=US-NY

High count data can also be found for individual counties, hotspots, or
Important Bird Areas.

While some historical data may be missing and not yet entered, high count
data (especially for NY) is very complete and up-to-date.

It is difficult to tell, but I do believe that this is likely the first
record of a Blue Ross' Goose for NY.  It's a spectacular find, and has been
nicely documented.

Good Birding,

Shawn Billerman

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM,  wrote:

> A quick search of the Kingbird Archives turned up several records of two
> Ross's Geese, one record of three RG, and a record of (5) five Ross's Geese
> present at the Savannah Mucklands 11/18/06.  All other records I found
> indicate a single bird.  If I didn't miss records, this is only the second
> time that (5) birds have been present in New York.  I also looked for
> records of Blue-phase Ross's Geese and found none.  John Haas
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

2011-03-06 Thread Shawn Billerman
Hi John,

I thought I'd chime in on this discussion.  On October 24, 2008, Tom Johnson
and I had 9 Ross's Geese on the Main Pool on the Wildlife Drive of Montezuma
National Wildlife Refuge.

This data, and high count data for all other species recorded in the state
can be found in eBird.  For NY, this data can be seen here:

http://ebird.org/ebird/sightings?locInfo.regionType=subnational1listType=high_countbeginYear=1900continuous=trueendYear=2011locInfo.regionCode=US-NY

High count data can also be found for individual counties, hotspots, or
Important Bird Areas.

While some historical data may be missing and not yet entered, high count
data (especially for NY) is very complete and up-to-date.

It is difficult to tell, but I do believe that this is likely the first
record of a Blue Ross' Goose for NY.  It's a spectacular find, and has been
nicely documented.

Good Birding,

Shawn Billerman

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM, vanh...@citlink.net wrote:

 A quick search of the Kingbird Archives turned up several records of two
 Ross's Geese, one record of three RG, and a record of (5) five Ross's Geese
 present at the Savannah Mucklands 11/18/06.  All other records I found
 indicate a single bird.  If I didn't miss records, this is only the second
 time that (5) birds have been present in New York.  I also looked for
 records of Blue-phase Ross's Geese and found none.  John Haas

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

2011-03-06 Thread Kevin J. McGowan
What a great goose weekend!  Wish I could have been there.

Just for the record, on 13 November 2010 I had a blue phase Ross's x Snow 
hybrid at Knox-Marcellus marsh at Montezuma NWR, along with a white hybrid.  
The bird had the Ross's's blue phase coloring, quite different from the Blue 
Snows present.  Although the overall look was the same, it did not have the 
clear, straight rear beak edge that your bird has that indicates a pure(ish?) 
Ross's Goose.  Unfortunately, I got no photographs of my bird.  Congratulations 
on a great sighting with good documentation.

I feel the need to comment on Shawn's statement about the records of high 
counts in the state.  While eBird is a great tool and one of the first places I 
look for these kinds of data, it does not have anywhere near all of the 
historical data yet, and many (most?) of the listed high counts are nothing 
of the kind.  A quick perusal of Bull 1974 or Levine 1998 shows published 
maximum counts far surpassing many of those listed on that eBird page.  Lots 
are an order of magnitude or more higher.

I do not want to take anything away from eBird.  It is, perhaps, the best tool 
we could hope for to keep track of New York bird data and points toward a 
bright future.  But, to rely on it alone at this point is to neglect a great, 
nearly 200-year-old, history of bird study in New York.  There were some big 
changes in bird populations in the 19th and 20th centuries, and many New 
Yorkers were there to document them.  It would be very poor scholarship indeed 
to ignore those contributions.  Although none are available online yet, New 
York has more than the average number of books on the birds of the state: DeKay 
1844, Eaton 1910-1914, Bull 1974, Anderle and Carroll 1988, Levine 1998, and 
McGowan and Corwin 2008.  All are recommended references for people interested 
in birds of New York.

NYSARC is a splendid resource, and happily all of the reports are available at 
http://nybirds.org/NYSARC/NYSARCActions.html.  The committee does a good job of 
keeping track of listed species, and when push comes to shove, its reports are 
the only rigorously reviewed and official record of rare birds in the state.  
But, it does not track anything except review species, and a number of birds 
such as Ross's Goose have dropped off the list because of their increased 
frequency of occurrence in the state.  Then we have to rely on published 
reports in The Kingbird, which fortunately also has a good web presence with a 
searchable archive of all issues at http://nybirds.org/KBsearch.htm.  Not 
reported, not reviewed? Why should anyone believe them?

I look forward to John's compilation of reports of Ross's Geese.  The species 
was first officially recorded in New York in 1983 (my first was in 1991).  
Since then it has been reported nearly annually, with numbers increasing along 
with increased Snow and Ross's goose populations breeding in the Arctic.  Five 
in one flock doesn't surprise me in the least.  I expect more in the future, 
and will be watching for them.

Best,

Kevin

From: bounce-8873543-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-8873543-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shawn Billerman
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 4:04 PM
To: vanh...@citlink.net; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

Hi John,

I thought I'd chime in on this discussion.  On October 24, 2008, Tom Johnson 
and I had 9 Ross's Geese on the Main Pool on the Wildlife Drive of Montezuma 
National Wildlife Refuge.

This data, and high count data for all other species recorded in the state can 
be found in eBird.  For NY, this data can be seen here:

http://ebird.org/ebird/sightings?locInfo.regionType=subnational1listType=high_countbeginYear=1900continuous=trueendYear=2011locInfo.regionCode=US-NY

High count data can also be found for individual counties, hotspots, or 
Important Bird Areas.

While some historical data may be missing and not yet entered, high count data 
(especially for NY) is very complete and up-to-date.

It is difficult to tell, but I do believe that this is likely the first record 
of a Blue Ross' Goose for NY.  It's a spectacular find, and has been nicely 
documented.

Good Birding,

Shawn Billerman
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM, 
vanh...@citlink.netmailto:vanh...@citlink.net wrote:
A quick search of the Kingbird Archives turned up several records of two Ross's 
Geese, one record of three RG, and a record of (5) five Ross's Geese present at 
the Savannah Mucklands 11/18/06.  All other records I found indicate a single 
bird.  If I didn't miss records, this is only the second time that (5) birds 
have been present in New York.  I also looked for records of Blue-phase Ross's 
Geese and found none.  John Haas

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