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RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

2018-05-24 Thread Purbita

Hi Larry, 
I think your sentiment of deescalating tensions is great, but comparing feuds 
between birders and photographers with police brutality of black Americans is 
off base. I'll stop there to not distract from the point of the listserv. 
Anyone can email me personally to talk more. 
Happy birding,Purbita Saha






 Original message From: Larry Trachtenberg 
<trachtenb...@amsllp.com> Date: 5/24/18  10:13 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Karen 
McCaffrey <kmcca...@nycourts.gov>, Gus Keri <gusk...@zoho.com>, Mike 
<mike...@optonline.net> Cc: Ken F <feus...@optonline.net>, 
NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO 
(Suffolk Co.) 


 
Photographers definitely can be incredibly inconsiderate and chase away rare 
(or not rare) birds (and then deny it).  Indeed, I remember the Gyrfalcon (like 
Ruff a bird
 I have never seen) spooked by a photographer at Blue Chip Farms who 
sacrilegiously uses the moniker “LarryBird.”  However, I am not sure calling 
the police is really the way to go.   So whether it’s birders v. photographers 
(redux), or anything of far more
 import in this world, not likely to change anytime soon.  In the words of 
Rodney King, c. 1992  -- who suffered a far greater indignity than missing a 
ruff or a gyrfalcon:   
 
“People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? 
… I mean, we’re all stuck here for a while. Let’s try to work it out . . .”  
(Yeah,
 sure.) 
 
Go Celts.

 
L. Trachtenberg
Ossining

 

 


From: bounce-122595008-26736...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122595008-26736...@list.cornell.edu]
On Behalf Of Karen McCaffrey

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:42 AM

To: Gus Keri <gusk...@zoho.com>; Mike <mike...@optonline.net>

Cc: Ken F <feus...@optonline.net>; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu

Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)


 
While, that is a viable punishment, safety of the bird is paramount and birders 
will have to be birders and do their own due diligence.  In other words, find 
your own dam birds instead of chasing a list.

Just my opinion, YMMV.
 

Karen McCaffrey

 


From: 
bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu]
On Behalf Of Gus Keri

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:28 AM

To: Mike <mike...@optonline.net>

Cc: Ken F <feus...@optonline.net>;
NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)


 


Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want to enjoy 
looking at these rare birds?


Why not punishing the misbehaving birders/photographers?


If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a migratory bird or stepping 
on restricted area to get closer to it, call the police and photograph them 
being arrested. Then
 post their photo on social media and let it be a lesson to all the misbehaving 
birders.


This collective punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder.


Gus


 

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 On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700 Mike<mike...@optonline.net>
 wrote 


 



Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene 
last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite 
being told that
 the bird was best observed and photographed from the car.  

 


Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until 
after they’re gone. 


 


Mike Cooper


Ridge, LI

Sent from my iPhone




On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F <feus...@optonline.net>
 wrote:



The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this 
morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more 
elusive.

 


Ken Feustel


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RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

2018-05-24 Thread Purbita

Hi Larry, 
I think your sentiment of deescalating tensions is great, but comparing feuds 
between birders and photographers with police brutality of black Americans is 
off base. I'll stop there to not distract from the point of the listserv. 
Anyone can email me personally to talk more. 
Happy birding,Purbita Saha






 Original message From: Larry Trachtenberg 
 Date: 5/24/18  10:13 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Karen 
McCaffrey , Gus Keri , Mike 
 Cc: Ken F , 
NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO 
(Suffolk Co.) 


 
Photographers definitely can be incredibly inconsiderate and chase away rare 
(or not rare) birds (and then deny it).  Indeed, I remember the Gyrfalcon (like 
Ruff a bird
 I have never seen) spooked by a photographer at Blue Chip Farms who 
sacrilegiously uses the moniker “LarryBird.”  However, I am not sure calling 
the police is really the way to go.   So whether it’s birders v. photographers 
(redux), or anything of far more
 import in this world, not likely to change anytime soon.  In the words of 
Rodney King, c. 1992  -- who suffered a far greater indignity than missing a 
ruff or a gyrfalcon:   
 
“People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? 
… I mean, we’re all stuck here for a while. Let’s try to work it out . . .”  
(Yeah,
 sure.) 
 
Go Celts.

 
L. Trachtenberg
Ossining

 

 


From: bounce-122595008-26736...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122595008-26736...@list.cornell.edu]
On Behalf Of Karen McCaffrey

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:42 AM

To: Gus Keri ; Mike 

Cc: Ken F ; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu

Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)


 
While, that is a viable punishment, safety of the bird is paramount and birders 
will have to be birders and do their own due diligence.  In other words, find 
your own dam birds instead of chasing a list.

Just my opinion, YMMV.
 

Karen McCaffrey

 


From: 
bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu]
On Behalf Of Gus Keri

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:28 AM

To: Mike 

Cc: Ken F ;
NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)


 


Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want to enjoy 
looking at these rare birds?


Why not punishing the misbehaving birders/photographers?


If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a migratory bird or stepping 
on restricted area to get closer to it, call the police and photograph them 
being arrested. Then
 post their photo on social media and let it be a lesson to all the misbehaving 
birders.


This collective punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder.


Gus


 

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 On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700 Mike
 wrote 


 



Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene 
last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite 
being told that
 the bird was best observed and photographed from the car.  

 


Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until 
after they’re gone. 


 


Mike Cooper


Ridge, LI

Sent from my iPhone




On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F 
 wrote:



The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this 
morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more 
elusive.

 


Ken Feustel


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RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

2018-05-24 Thread Larry Trachtenberg


Photographers definitely can be incredibly inconsiderate and chase away rare 
(or not rare) birds (and then deny it).  Indeed, I remember the Gyrfalcon (like 
Ruff a bird I have never seen) spooked by a photographer at Blue Chip Farms who 
sacrilegiously uses the moniker “LarryBird.”  However, I am not sure calling 
the police is really the way to go.   So whether it’s birders v. photographers 
(redux), or anything of far more import in this world, not likely to change 
anytime soon.  In the words of Rodney King, c. 1992  -- who suffered a far 
greater indignity than missing a ruff or a gyrfalcon:

“People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? 
… I mean, we’re all stuck here for a while. Let’s try to work it out . . .”  
(Yeah, sure.)

Go Celts.

L. Trachtenberg
Ossining


From: bounce-122595008-26736...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122595008-26736...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Karen McCaffrey
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:42 AM
To: Gus Keri <gusk...@zoho.com>; Mike <mike...@optonline.net>
Cc: Ken F <feus...@optonline.net>; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

While, that is a viable punishment, safety of the bird is paramount and birders 
will have to be birders and do their own due diligence.  In other words, find 
your own dam birds instead of chasing a list.
Just my opinion, YMMV.

Karen McCaffrey

From: 
bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu>
 [mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Gus Keri
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:28 AM
To: Mike <mike...@optonline.net<mailto:mike...@optonline.net>>
Cc: Ken F <feus...@optonline.net<mailto:feus...@optonline.net>>; 
NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu<mailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want to enjoy 
looking at these rare birds?
Why not punishing the misbehaving birders/photographers?
If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a migratory bird or stepping 
on restricted area to get closer to it, call the police and photograph them 
being arrested. Then post their photo on social media and let it be a lesson to 
all the misbehaving birders.
This collective punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder.
Gus


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 On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700 
Mike<mike...@optonline.net<mailto:mike...@optonline.net>> wrote 

Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene 
last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite 
being told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car.

Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until 
after they’re gone.

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI
Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F 
<feus...@optonline.net<mailto:feus...@optonline.net>> wrote:
The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this 
morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more 
elusive.

Ken Feustel
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

2018-05-24 Thread Larry Trachtenberg


Photographers definitely can be incredibly inconsiderate and chase away rare 
(or not rare) birds (and then deny it).  Indeed, I remember the Gyrfalcon (like 
Ruff a bird I have never seen) spooked by a photographer at Blue Chip Farms who 
sacrilegiously uses the moniker “LarryBird.”  However, I am not sure calling 
the police is really the way to go.   So whether it’s birders v. photographers 
(redux), or anything of far more import in this world, not likely to change 
anytime soon.  In the words of Rodney King, c. 1992  -- who suffered a far 
greater indignity than missing a ruff or a gyrfalcon:

“People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? 
… I mean, we’re all stuck here for a while. Let’s try to work it out . . .”  
(Yeah, sure.)

Go Celts.

L. Trachtenberg
Ossining


From: bounce-122595008-26736...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122595008-26736...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Karen McCaffrey
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:42 AM
To: Gus Keri ; Mike 
Cc: Ken F ; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

While, that is a viable punishment, safety of the bird is paramount and birders 
will have to be birders and do their own due diligence.  In other words, find 
your own dam birds instead of chasing a list.
Just my opinion, YMMV.

Karen McCaffrey

From: 
bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu>
 [mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Gus Keri
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:28 AM
To: Mike mailto:mike...@optonline.net>>
Cc: Ken F mailto:feus...@optonline.net>>; 
NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu<mailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want to enjoy 
looking at these rare birds?
Why not punishing the misbehaving birders/photographers?
If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a migratory bird or stepping 
on restricted area to get closer to it, call the police and photograph them 
being arrested. Then post their photo on social media and let it be a lesson to 
all the misbehaving birders.
This collective punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder.
Gus


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 On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700 
Mikemailto:mike...@optonline.net>> wrote 

Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene 
last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite 
being told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car.

Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until 
after they’re gone.

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI
Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F 
mailto:feus...@optonline.net>> wrote:
The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this 
morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more 
elusive.

Ken Feustel
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Re: RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

2018-05-24 Thread Robert Lewis

 No.  Not the answer. That would be a throwback to two generations ago when 
there was an "old boys network" and everyone else was locked out.
Bob LewisSleepy Hollow NY

On Thursday, May 24, 2018, 9:42:27 AM EDT, Karen McCaffrey 
<kmcca...@nycourts.gov> wrote:  
 
 
While, that is a viable punishment, safety of the bird is paramount and birders 
will have to be birders and do their own due diligence.  In other words, find 
your own dam birds instead of chasing a list.
 
Just my opinion, YMMV.
 
  
 
Karen McCaffrey
 
  
 
From: bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu]On Behalf Of Gus Keri
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:28 AM
To: Mike <mike...@optonline.net>
Cc: Ken F <feus...@optonline.net>; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)
 
  
 
Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want to enjoy 
looking at these rare birds?
 
Why not punishing the misbehaving birders/photographers?
 
If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a migratory bird or stepping 
on restricted area to get closer to it, call the police and photograph them 
being arrested. Then post their photo on social media and let it be a lesson to 
all the misbehaving birders.
 
This collective punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder.
 
Gus
 
  
 
Sent usingZoho Mail
 
  
 
 On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700 Mike<mike...@optonline.net> wrote 
 
  
 

Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene 
last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite 
being told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car.  
 
  
 
Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until 
after they’re gone. 
 
  
 
Mike Cooper
 
Ridge, LI
 
Sent from my iPhone
 

On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F <feus...@optonline.net> wrote:
 

The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this 
morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more 
elusive.
 
  
 
Ken Feustel
 
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Re: RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

2018-05-24 Thread Robert Lewis

 No.  Not the answer. That would be a throwback to two generations ago when 
there was an "old boys network" and everyone else was locked out.
Bob LewisSleepy Hollow NY

On Thursday, May 24, 2018, 9:42:27 AM EDT, Karen McCaffrey 
 wrote:  
 
 
While, that is a viable punishment, safety of the bird is paramount and birders 
will have to be birders and do their own due diligence.  In other words, find 
your own dam birds instead of chasing a list.
 
Just my opinion, YMMV.
 
  
 
Karen McCaffrey
 
  
 
From: bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu]On Behalf Of Gus Keri
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:28 AM
To: Mike 
Cc: Ken F ; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)
 
  
 
Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want to enjoy 
looking at these rare birds?
 
Why not punishing the misbehaving birders/photographers?
 
If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a migratory bird or stepping 
on restricted area to get closer to it, call the police and photograph them 
being arrested. Then post their photo on social media and let it be a lesson to 
all the misbehaving birders.
 
This collective punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder.
 
Gus
 
  
 
Sent usingZoho Mail
 
  
 
 On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700 Mike wrote 
 
  
 

Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene 
last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite 
being told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car.  
 
  
 
Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until 
after they’re gone. 
 
  
 
Mike Cooper
 
Ridge, LI
 
Sent from my iPhone
 

On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F  wrote:
 

The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this 
morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more 
elusive.
 
  
 
Ken Feustel
 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

2018-05-24 Thread Karen McCaffrey

While, that is a viable punishment, safety of the bird is paramount and birders 
will have to be birders and do their own due diligence.  In other words, find 
your own dam birds instead of chasing a list.
Just my opinion, YMMV.

Karen McCaffrey

From: bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Gus Keri
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:28 AM
To: Mike <mike...@optonline.net>
Cc: Ken F <feus...@optonline.net>; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want to enjoy 
looking at these rare birds?
Why not punishing the misbehaving birders/photographers?
If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a migratory bird or stepping 
on restricted area to get closer to it, call the police and photograph them 
being arrested. Then post their photo on social media and let it be a lesson to 
all the misbehaving birders.
This collective punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder.
Gus


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 On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700 
Mike<mike...@optonline.net<mailto:mike...@optonline.net>> wrote 

Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene 
last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite 
being told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car.

Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until 
after they’re gone.

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI
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On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F 
<feus...@optonline.net<mailto:feus...@optonline.net>> wrote:
The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this 
morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more 
elusive.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

2018-05-24 Thread Karen McCaffrey

While, that is a viable punishment, safety of the bird is paramount and birders 
will have to be birders and do their own due diligence.  In other words, find 
your own dam birds instead of chasing a list.
Just my opinion, YMMV.

Karen McCaffrey

From: bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Gus Keri
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:28 AM
To: Mike 
Cc: Ken F ; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want to enjoy 
looking at these rare birds?
Why not punishing the misbehaving birders/photographers?
If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a migratory bird or stepping 
on restricted area to get closer to it, call the police and photograph them 
being arrested. Then post their photo on social media and let it be a lesson to 
all the misbehaving birders.
This collective punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder.
Gus


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 On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700 
Mikemailto:mike...@optonline.net>> wrote 

Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene 
last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite 
being told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car.

Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until 
after they’re gone.

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI
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On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F 
mailto:feus...@optonline.net>> wrote:
The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this 
morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more 
elusive.

Ken Feustel
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

2018-05-24 Thread Gus Keri





Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want 
to enjoy looking at these rare birds?Why not punishing the misbehaving 
birders/photographers?If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a 
migratory bird or stepping on restricted area to get closer to it, call the 
police and photograph them being arrested. Then post their photo on social 
media and let it be a lesson to all the misbehaving birders.This collective 
punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder.GusSent using Zoho Mail On Thu, 
24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700  Mike wrote Probably 
another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene last 
night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite being 
told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car.  
Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until 
after they’re gone. Mike CooperRidge, LISent from my iPhoneOn May 24, 2018, at 
8:22 AM, Ken F  wrote:The previously reported Ruff at 
Heckscher State Park was not relocated this morning at about 7:00AM. However, 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

2018-05-24 Thread Gus Keri





Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want 
to enjoy looking at these rare birds?Why not punishing the misbehaving 
birders/photographers?If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a 
migratory bird or stepping on restricted area to get closer to it, call the 
police and photograph them being arrested. Then post their photo on social 
media and let it be a lesson to all the misbehaving birders.This collective 
punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder.GusSent using Zoho Mail On Thu, 
24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700  Mike wrote Probably 
another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene last 
night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite being 
told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car.  
Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until 
after they’re gone. Mike CooperRidge, LISent from my iPhoneOn May 24, 2018, at 
8:22 AM, Ken F  wrote:The previously reported Ruff at 
Heckscher State Park was not relocated this morning at about 7:00AM. However, 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

2018-05-24 Thread Mike

Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene 
last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite 
being told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car.  

Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until 
after they’re gone. 

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI

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> On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F  wrote:
> 
> The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this 
> morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more 
> elusive.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

2018-05-24 Thread Mike

Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene 
last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite 
being told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car.  

Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until 
after they’re gone. 

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI

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> On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F  wrote:
> 
> The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this 
> morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more 
> elusive.
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[nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

2018-05-24 Thread Ken F

The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this 
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[nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)

2018-05-24 Thread Ken F

The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this 
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