subject:"RE\:\[nysbirds\-l\] The NYSBirds List"

Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

2016-12-01 Thread Susan Herbst

I watch this very much from the sidelines, I don’t get out to bird as often as 
most of you do, but I will put in a very friendly 2¢. Please don’t jump on me 
for putting this out there. 

I enjoy watching the ebb and flow of the natural world via this list. I enjoy 
seeing that are crossbills out on the parkway or a merlin in Oceanside. (BTW - 
I’ve never seen a crossbill, so it would be exciting for me.) I actually enjoy 
the short essays and wish I was there. "If I have the opportunity to get away 
from my desk," I think, "that’s where I’ll go.”

I sincerely suggest that everyone take a deep breath (or two or three). This 
time of year is stressful for many reasons - particularly this year. Let’s just 
be kind to our fellow birders and understand that no list is perfect for 
everyone. 

Frankly, I’d rather read this list’s emails than the 75 I get with 
advertisements and news I’m sick over. My only advice is, if you don’t care for 
it, delete it. It’s just an email. If you have a better method or want 
different info, create a new list. I know very well how hard it is to cultivate 
a list. It’s hard work and takes years to build something substantial and 
useful. You simply can’t please everyone - and those people will move on to 
something that fits better for them.

Thank you to everyone who posts and shares - it is appreciated, at least by me. 
Be kind to each other.
Happy Birding & (as always) I hope to get out there soon. 
Peace Out!
Sue Herbst

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:
> 
> And there it is right there. "It seems that in reporting, like life, one 
> man's ceiling is another man's floor."
> 
> All it takes is a bit of common sense (I know it is not common), to figure 
> out what might be interesting and how often to report. Some get it while 
> others well...want to be heard and that too, is okay.
> 
> Perhaps, rather than kvetching over what should be posted, folks would be 
> better off getting out there and finding birds. If successful, post them 
> using whatever medium but ensuring (if the find is noteworthy) that it 
> reaches the wider birding community. Which is where this discussion kicked 
> off - see the Brooklyn ATFL.
> 
> Shaming anyone into not posting because of posting what "you" deem to be 
> unworthy is non productive and just serves to alienate and drive people away. 
> I have seen this happening already where many folks have resorted to creating 
> text groups or using other tools of communication that shield them from the 
> too oft critics that seem to spend more time criticizing than reporting 
> anything.
> 
> Furthermore, let's hope this argument on which audience or what NYS birds 
> cater to is now beaten to death never to raise its head again.
> 
> Inclusive not exclusive this thing of ours should be.
> 
> 
> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule 
> of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ 
> Frederick Douglass
> 
> 風　Swift as the wind
> 林　Quiet as the forest
> 火　Conquer like the fire
> 山　Steady as the mountain
> Sun Tzu   The Art of War 
> 
> 
>> (\__/)
>> (= '.'=)
>> (") _ (") 
>> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 
> 
> Andrew Baksh
> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com 
> 
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Mike  > wrote:
> 
>> See, I would have just assumed the CBS News crew was on the scene because 
>> the the rabid coyote was also in the running for a cabinet post. 
>> 
 Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the 
 Hulkster and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck.
>> 
>> 
>> Mike Cooper
>> Ridge, LI, NY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME 
>> 
>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES 
>> 
>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm 
>> 
>> 
>> ARCHIVES:
>> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 
>> 
>> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 
>> 
>> 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 
>> 
>> 
>> Please submit your observations to eBird:
>> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ 
>> 
>> --
>> 
> --
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> Welcome and Basics 
> Rules and Information

Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

2016-12-01 Thread Susan Herbst

I watch this very much from the sidelines, I don’t get out to bird as often as 
most of you do, but I will put in a very friendly 2¢. Please don’t jump on me 
for putting this out there. 

I enjoy watching the ebb and flow of the natural world via this list. I enjoy 
seeing that are crossbills out on the parkway or a merlin in Oceanside. (BTW - 
I’ve never seen a crossbill, so it would be exciting for me.) I actually enjoy 
the short essays and wish I was there. "If I have the opportunity to get away 
from my desk," I think, "that’s where I’ll go.”

I sincerely suggest that everyone take a deep breath (or two or three). This 
time of year is stressful for many reasons - particularly this year. Let’s just 
be kind to our fellow birders and understand that no list is perfect for 
everyone. 

Frankly, I’d rather read this list’s emails than the 75 I get with 
advertisements and news I’m sick over. My only advice is, if you don’t care for 
it, delete it. It’s just an email. If you have a better method or want 
different info, create a new list. I know very well how hard it is to cultivate 
a list. It’s hard work and takes years to build something substantial and 
useful. You simply can’t please everyone - and those people will move on to 
something that fits better for them.

Thank you to everyone who posts and shares - it is appreciated, at least by me. 
Be kind to each other.
Happy Birding & (as always) I hope to get out there soon. 
Peace Out!
Sue Herbst

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:
> 
> And there it is right there. "It seems that in reporting, like life, one 
> man's ceiling is another man's floor."
> 
> All it takes is a bit of common sense (I know it is not common), to figure 
> out what might be interesting and how often to report. Some get it while 
> others well...want to be heard and that too, is okay.
> 
> Perhaps, rather than kvetching over what should be posted, folks would be 
> better off getting out there and finding birds. If successful, post them 
> using whatever medium but ensuring (if the find is noteworthy) that it 
> reaches the wider birding community. Which is where this discussion kicked 
> off - see the Brooklyn ATFL.
> 
> Shaming anyone into not posting because of posting what "you" deem to be 
> unworthy is non productive and just serves to alienate and drive people away. 
> I have seen this happening already where many folks have resorted to creating 
> text groups or using other tools of communication that shield them from the 
> too oft critics that seem to spend more time criticizing than reporting 
> anything.
> 
> Furthermore, let's hope this argument on which audience or what NYS birds 
> cater to is now beaten to death never to raise its head again.
> 
> Inclusive not exclusive this thing of ours should be.
> 
> 
> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule 
> of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ 
> Frederick Douglass
> 
> 風　Swift as the wind
> 林　Quiet as the forest
> 火　Conquer like the fire
> 山　Steady as the mountain
> Sun Tzu   The Art of War 
> 
> 
>> (\__/)
>> (= '.'=)
>> (") _ (") 
>> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 
> 
> Andrew Baksh
> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com 
> 
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Mike  > wrote:
> 
>> See, I would have just assumed the CBS News crew was on the scene because 
>> the the rabid coyote was also in the running for a cabinet post. 
>> 
 Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the 
 Hulkster and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck.
>> 
>> 
>> Mike Cooper
>> Ridge, LI, NY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME 
>> 
>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES 
>> 
>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm 
>> 
>> 
>> ARCHIVES:
>> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 
>> 
>> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 
>> 
>> 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 
>> 
>> 
>> Please submit your observations to eBird:
>> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ 
>> 
>> --
>> 
> --
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> Welcome and Basics 
> Rules and Information 
> Subscribe,

Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

2016-12-01 Thread Andrew Baksh

And there it is right there. "It seems that in reporting, like life, one man's 
ceiling is another man's floor."

All it takes is a bit of common sense (I know it is not common), to figure out 
what might be interesting and how often to report. Some get it while others 
well...want to be heard and that too, is okay.

Perhaps, rather than kvetching over what should be posted, folks would be 
better off getting out there and finding birds. If successful, post them using 
whatever medium but ensuring (if the find is noteworthy) that it reaches the 
wider birding community. Which is where this discussion kicked off - see the 
Brooklyn ATFL.

Shaming anyone into not posting because of posting what "you" deem to be 
unworthy is non productive and just serves to alienate and drive people away. I 
have seen this happening already where many folks have resorted to creating 
text groups or using other tools of communication that shield them from the too 
oft critics that seem to spend more time criticizing than reporting anything.

Furthermore, let's hope this argument on which audience or what NYS birds cater 
to is now beaten to death never to raise its head again.

Inclusive not exclusive this thing of ours should be.

"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Mike  wrote:
> 
> See, I would have just assumed the CBS News crew was on the scene because the 
> the rabid coyote was also in the running for a cabinet post. 
> 
>>> Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the 
>>> Hulkster and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck.
> 
> 
> Mike Cooper
> Ridge, LI, NY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> 
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html
> 
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
> 
> --
> 

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ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
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Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

2016-12-01 Thread Andrew Baksh

And there it is right there. "It seems that in reporting, like life, one man's 
ceiling is another man's floor."

All it takes is a bit of common sense (I know it is not common), to figure out 
what might be interesting and how often to report. Some get it while others 
well...want to be heard and that too, is okay.

Perhaps, rather than kvetching over what should be posted, folks would be 
better off getting out there and finding birds. If successful, post them using 
whatever medium but ensuring (if the find is noteworthy) that it reaches the 
wider birding community. Which is where this discussion kicked off - see the 
Brooklyn ATFL.

Shaming anyone into not posting because of posting what "you" deem to be 
unworthy is non productive and just serves to alienate and drive people away. I 
have seen this happening already where many folks have resorted to creating 
text groups or using other tools of communication that shield them from the too 
oft critics that seem to spend more time criticizing than reporting anything.

Furthermore, let's hope this argument on which audience or what NYS birds cater 
to is now beaten to death never to raise its head again.

Inclusive not exclusive this thing of ours should be.

"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Mike  wrote:
> 
> See, I would have just assumed the CBS News crew was on the scene because the 
> the rabid coyote was also in the running for a cabinet post. 
> 
>>> Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the 
>>> Hulkster and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck.
> 
> 
> Mike Cooper
> Ridge, LI, NY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> 
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html
> 
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
> 
> --
> 

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http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html

Please submit your observations to eBird:
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Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

2016-12-01 Thread TwoSides22

How about a warning in the subject line that the post includes  politics.  
This is one place I had hoped to be able to get away from it. 
 
Jeanne
 
 
In a message dated 12/1/2016 9:06:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
trachtenb...@amsllp.com writes:

It seems  that in reporting, like life, one man's ceiling is another man's 
floor. While  I do know how to use the "delete" key, filtering is beyond my 
computer skill  set. However, in the last week alone didn't we all see more 
annoying "Black  Friday", "Cyber Monday", and "Giving Tuesday" emails in our 
inboxes than we  see "annoying," to some at least, NYSBird posts like this 
one in a month? As  to birds, today before the sun could warm things at 
Croton Point Park, I  managed little more than mourning doves, mallards, Canada 
geese and a few  common sparrows -- no "good" let alone "rare" birds.. 
However, such "unworthy"  reporting species seemed apropos as our Kakistocracy 
takes hold. Indeed, with  S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps 
the Hulkster and Rowdy  Roddy Piper are on deck.  And to round out the 
craziness I stopped to say  hello to two CBS TV crews this morning assigned to 
cover, for what purpose  they could not exactly say, an alleged single rabid 
coyote at a condo complex  in Ossining.  

Fair and balanced bird reporting please. 

L.  Trachtenberg
Ossining


-Original Message-
From:  bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu  
[mailto:bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal  Mitra
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:28 PM
To: NYSBIRDS  (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
Subject: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

Hi  everyone,

In theory there are two ways to reform the content of this  listserv: (1) 
discourage posts that are less relevant; and (2) encourage posts  that are 
more relevant.

But given the very diverse sentiments expressed  here in recent weeks, it's 
clear that people simply disagree about what is  relevant. But criticizing 
certain kinds of posts is doubly harmful: not only  is it demonstrably 
ineffective in reducing the frequency of the unwanted  posts, whatever they may 
be in a particular instance, but it also discourages  contributions from 
newer participants and those who don't appreciate being  criticized. In other 
words, this ineffective tactic inadvertently conflicts  with and damages the 
prospects for the only other means of improving the  forum. I agree with 
those who have emphasized that neither the overall volume  of reports, nor the 
proportion of what any one individual might regard as  chaff, is ever great 
enough to discourage me from sifting this site every day  for items of 
personal interest.

These considerations came to mind  recently when I overheard some Long 
Island birders debating whether to chase  an Ash-throated Flycatcher (to me 
very 
rare) vs. "the Red Crossbill" (to me  periodically ubiquitous). At this 
stage in my life, I'd much rather read a  post from Tim Healy or Steve Walter 
about the tempo and mode of a day's  migration than a how-to guide to chasing 
"the Red Crossbill." But I understand  that some newer birders might 
actually have seen more Ash-throated Flycatchers  than Red Crossbills, even 
though 
this is utterly contrary to my own  development as a birder. And all of 
this is what makes birding, and NYSBirds,  so wonderful--not only can we find 
how-to information for chasing (arguably)  rare birds, but we are also 
offered insights into other people's perspectives  and values. Please post more!

Shai Mitra
Bay  Shore
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http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1)  http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2)  http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3)  http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html

Please submit your  observations to  eBird:
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Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

2016-12-01 Thread TwoSides22

How about a warning in the subject line that the post includes  politics.  
This is one place I had hoped to be able to get away from it. 
 
Jeanne
 
 
In a message dated 12/1/2016 9:06:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
trachtenb...@amsllp.com writes:

It seems  that in reporting, like life, one man's ceiling is another man's 
floor. While  I do know how to use the "delete" key, filtering is beyond my 
computer skill  set. However, in the last week alone didn't we all see more 
annoying "Black  Friday", "Cyber Monday", and "Giving Tuesday" emails in our 
inboxes than we  see "annoying," to some at least, NYSBird posts like this 
one in a month? As  to birds, today before the sun could warm things at 
Croton Point Park, I  managed little more than mourning doves, mallards, Canada 
geese and a few  common sparrows -- no "good" let alone "rare" birds.. 
However, such "unworthy"  reporting species seemed apropos as our Kakistocracy 
takes hold. Indeed, with  S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps 
the Hulkster and Rowdy  Roddy Piper are on deck.  And to round out the 
craziness I stopped to say  hello to two CBS TV crews this morning assigned to 
cover, for what purpose  they could not exactly say, an alleged single rabid 
coyote at a condo complex  in Ossining.  

Fair and balanced bird reporting please. 

L.  Trachtenberg
Ossining


-Original Message-
From:  bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu  
[mailto:bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal  Mitra
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:28 PM
To: NYSBIRDS  (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
Subject: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

Hi  everyone,

In theory there are two ways to reform the content of this  listserv: (1) 
discourage posts that are less relevant; and (2) encourage posts  that are 
more relevant.

But given the very diverse sentiments expressed  here in recent weeks, it's 
clear that people simply disagree about what is  relevant. But criticizing 
certain kinds of posts is doubly harmful: not only  is it demonstrably 
ineffective in reducing the frequency of the unwanted  posts, whatever they may 
be in a particular instance, but it also discourages  contributions from 
newer participants and those who don't appreciate being  criticized. In other 
words, this ineffective tactic inadvertently conflicts  with and damages the 
prospects for the only other means of improving the  forum. I agree with 
those who have emphasized that neither the overall volume  of reports, nor the 
proportion of what any one individual might regard as  chaff, is ever great 
enough to discourage me from sifting this site every day  for items of 
personal interest.

These considerations came to mind  recently when I overheard some Long 
Island birders debating whether to chase  an Ash-throated Flycatcher (to me 
very 
rare) vs. "the Red Crossbill" (to me  periodically ubiquitous). At this 
stage in my life, I'd much rather read a  post from Tim Healy or Steve Walter 
about the tempo and mode of a day's  migration than a how-to guide to chasing 
"the Red Crossbill." But I understand  that some newer birders might 
actually have seen more Ash-throated Flycatchers  than Red Crossbills, even 
though 
this is utterly contrary to my own  development as a birder. And all of 
this is what makes birding, and NYSBirds,  so wonderful--not only can we find 
how-to information for chasing (arguably)  rare birds, but we are also 
offered insights into other people's perspectives  and values. Please post more!

Shai Mitra
Bay  Shore
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2)  http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
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Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

2016-12-01 Thread Mike

See, I would have just assumed the CBS News crew was on the scene because the 
the rabid coyote was also in the running for a cabinet post. 

>>Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the Hulkster 
>>and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck.


Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI, NY




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Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

2016-12-01 Thread Mike

See, I would have just assumed the CBS News crew was on the scene because the 
the rabid coyote was also in the running for a cabinet post. 

>>Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the Hulkster 
>>and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck.


Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI, NY




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RE:[nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

2016-12-01 Thread Larry Trachtenberg

It seems that in reporting, like life, one man's ceiling is another man's 
floor. While I do know how to use the "delete" key, filtering is beyond my 
computer skill set. However, in the last week alone didn't we all see more 
annoying "Black Friday", "Cyber Monday", and "Giving Tuesday" emails in our 
inboxes than we see "annoying," to some at least, NYSBird posts like this one 
in a month? As to birds, today before the sun could warm things at Croton Point 
Park, I managed little more than mourning doves, mallards, Canada geese and a 
few common sparrows -- no "good" let alone "rare" birds.. However, such 
"unworthy" reporting species seemed apropos as our Kakistocracy takes hold. 
Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the Hulkster 
and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck.  And to round out the craziness I stopped to 
say hello to two CBS TV crews this morning assigned to cover, for what purpose 
they could not exactly say, an alleged single rabid coyote at a condo complex 
in Ossining.  

Fair and balanced bird reporting please. 

L. Trachtenberg
Ossining


-Original Message-
From: bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:28 PM
To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
Subject: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

Hi everyone,

In theory there are two ways to reform the content of this listserv: (1) 
discourage posts that are less relevant; and (2) encourage posts that are more 
relevant.

But given the very diverse sentiments expressed here in recent weeks, it's 
clear that people simply disagree about what is relevant. But criticizing 
certain kinds of posts is doubly harmful: not only is it demonstrably 
ineffective in reducing the frequency of the unwanted posts, whatever they may 
be in a particular instance, but it also discourages contributions from newer 
participants and those who don't appreciate being criticized. In other words, 
this ineffective tactic inadvertently conflicts with and damages the prospects 
for the only other means of improving the forum. I agree with those who have 
emphasized that neither the overall volume of reports, nor the proportion of 
what any one individual might regard as chaff, is ever great enough to 
discourage me from sifting this site every day for items of personal interest.

These considerations came to mind recently when I overheard some Long Island 
birders debating whether to chase an Ash-throated Flycatcher (to me very rare) 
vs. "the Red Crossbill" (to me periodically ubiquitous). At this stage in my 
life, I'd much rather read a post from Tim Healy or Steve Walter about the 
tempo and mode of a day's migration than a how-to guide to chasing "the Red 
Crossbill." But I understand that some newer birders might actually have seen 
more Ash-throated Flycatchers than Red Crossbills, even though this is utterly 
contrary to my own development as a birder. And all of this is what makes 
birding, and NYSBirds, so wonderful--not only can we find how-to information 
for chasing (arguably) rare birds, but we are also offered insights into other 
people's perspectives and values. Please post more!

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore
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RE:[nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

2016-12-01 Thread Larry Trachtenberg

It seems that in reporting, like life, one man's ceiling is another man's 
floor. While I do know how to use the "delete" key, filtering is beyond my 
computer skill set. However, in the last week alone didn't we all see more 
annoying "Black Friday", "Cyber Monday", and "Giving Tuesday" emails in our 
inboxes than we see "annoying," to some at least, NYSBird posts like this one 
in a month? As to birds, today before the sun could warm things at Croton Point 
Park, I managed little more than mourning doves, mallards, Canada geese and a 
few common sparrows -- no "good" let alone "rare" birds.. However, such 
"unworthy" reporting species seemed apropos as our Kakistocracy takes hold. 
Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the Hulkster 
and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck.  And to round out the craziness I stopped to 
say hello to two CBS TV crews this morning assigned to cover, for what purpose 
they could not exactly say, an alleged single rabid coyote at a condo complex 
in Ossining.  

Fair and balanced bird reporting please. 

L. Trachtenberg
Ossining


-Original Message-
From: bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:28 PM
To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
Subject: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

Hi everyone,

In theory there are two ways to reform the content of this listserv: (1) 
discourage posts that are less relevant; and (2) encourage posts that are more 
relevant.

But given the very diverse sentiments expressed here in recent weeks, it's 
clear that people simply disagree about what is relevant. But criticizing 
certain kinds of posts is doubly harmful: not only is it demonstrably 
ineffective in reducing the frequency of the unwanted posts, whatever they may 
be in a particular instance, but it also discourages contributions from newer 
participants and those who don't appreciate being criticized. In other words, 
this ineffective tactic inadvertently conflicts with and damages the prospects 
for the only other means of improving the forum. I agree with those who have 
emphasized that neither the overall volume of reports, nor the proportion of 
what any one individual might regard as chaff, is ever great enough to 
discourage me from sifting this site every day for items of personal interest.

These considerations came to mind recently when I overheard some Long Island 
birders debating whether to chase an Ash-throated Flycatcher (to me very rare) 
vs. "the Red Crossbill" (to me periodically ubiquitous). At this stage in my 
life, I'd much rather read a post from Tim Healy or Steve Walter about the 
tempo and mode of a day's migration than a how-to guide to chasing "the Red 
Crossbill." But I understand that some newer birders might actually have seen 
more Ash-throated Flycatchers than Red Crossbills, even though this is utterly 
contrary to my own development as a birder. And all of this is what makes 
birding, and NYSBirds, so wonderful--not only can we find how-to information 
for chasing (arguably) rare birds, but we are also offered insights into other 
people's perspectives and values. Please post more!

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore
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RE:[nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

2016-12-01 Thread McIntyre, Annie (PARKS)

I agree with Shai, eloquently and succinctly expressed, as always. 

Hope you all enjoy this beautiful day!
 Annie 


-Original Message-
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[mailto:bounce-121044984-10774...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:28 PM
To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
Subject: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

ATTENTION: This email came from an external source. Do not open attachments or 
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Hi everyone,

In theory there are two ways to reform the content of this listserv: (1) 
discourage posts that are less relevant; and (2) encourage posts that are more 
relevant.

But given the very diverse sentiments expressed here in recent weeks, it's 
clear that people simply disagree about what is relevant. But criticizing 
certain kinds of posts is doubly harmful: not only is it demonstrably 
ineffective in reducing the frequency of the unwanted posts, whatever they may 
be in a particular instance, but it also discourages contributions from newer 
participants and those who don't appreciate being criticized. In other words, 
this ineffective tactic inadvertently conflicts with and damages the prospects 
for the only other means of improving the forum. I agree with those who have 
emphasized that neither the overall volume of reports, nor the proportion of 
what any one individual might regard as chaff, is ever great enough to 
discourage me from sifting this site every day for items of personal interest.

These considerations came to mind recently when I overheard some Long Island 
birders debating whether to chase an Ash-throated Flycatcher (to me very rare) 
vs. "the Red Crossbill" (to me periodically ubiquitous). At this stage in my 
life, I'd much rather read a post from Tim Healy or Steve Walter about the 
tempo and mode of a day's migration than a how-to guide to chasing "the Red 
Crossbill." But I understand that some newer birders might actually have seen 
more Ash-throated Flycatchers than Red Crossbills, even though this is utterly 
contrary to my own development as a birder. And all of this is what makes 
birding, and NYSBirds, so wonderful--not only can we find how-to information 
for chasing (arguably) rare birds, but we are also offered insights into other 
people's perspectives and values. Please post more!

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore
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RE:[nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

2016-12-01 Thread McIntyre, Annie (PARKS)

I agree with Shai, eloquently and succinctly expressed, as always. 

Hope you all enjoy this beautiful day!
 Annie 


-Original Message-
From: bounce-121044984-10774...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-121044984-10774...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:28 PM
To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
Subject: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List

ATTENTION: This email came from an external source. Do not open attachments or 
click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails.


Hi everyone,

In theory there are two ways to reform the content of this listserv: (1) 
discourage posts that are less relevant; and (2) encourage posts that are more 
relevant.

But given the very diverse sentiments expressed here in recent weeks, it's 
clear that people simply disagree about what is relevant. But criticizing 
certain kinds of posts is doubly harmful: not only is it demonstrably 
ineffective in reducing the frequency of the unwanted posts, whatever they may 
be in a particular instance, but it also discourages contributions from newer 
participants and those who don't appreciate being criticized. In other words, 
this ineffective tactic inadvertently conflicts with and damages the prospects 
for the only other means of improving the forum. I agree with those who have 
emphasized that neither the overall volume of reports, nor the proportion of 
what any one individual might regard as chaff, is ever great enough to 
discourage me from sifting this site every day for items of personal interest.

These considerations came to mind recently when I overheard some Long Island 
birders debating whether to chase an Ash-throated Flycatcher (to me very rare) 
vs. "the Red Crossbill" (to me periodically ubiquitous). At this stage in my 
life, I'd much rather read a post from Tim Healy or Steve Walter about the 
tempo and mode of a day's migration than a how-to guide to chasing "the Red 
Crossbill." But I understand that some newer birders might actually have seen 
more Ash-throated Flycatchers than Red Crossbills, even though this is utterly 
contrary to my own development as a birder. And all of this is what makes 
birding, and NYSBirds, so wonderful--not only can we find how-to information 
for chasing (arguably) rare birds, but we are also offered insights into other 
people's perspectives and values. Please post more!

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore
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