RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)
Hi Larry, I think your sentiment of deescalating tensions is great, but comparing feuds between birders and photographers with police brutality of black Americans is off base. I'll stop there to not distract from the point of the listserv. Anyone can email me personally to talk more. Happy birding,Purbita Saha Original message From: Larry Trachtenberg Date: 5/24/18 10:13 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Karen McCaffrey , Gus Keri , Mike Cc: Ken F , NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.) Photographers definitely can be incredibly inconsiderate and chase away rare (or not rare) birds (and then deny it). Indeed, I remember the Gyrfalcon (like Ruff a bird I have never seen) spooked by a photographer at Blue Chip Farms who sacrilegiously uses the moniker “LarryBird.” However, I am not sure calling the police is really the way to go. So whether it’s birders v. photographers (redux), or anything of far more import in this world, not likely to change anytime soon. In the words of Rodney King, c. 1992 -- who suffered a far greater indignity than missing a ruff or a gyrfalcon: “People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? … I mean, we’re all stuck here for a while. Let’s try to work it out . . .” (Yeah, sure.) Go Celts. L. Trachtenberg Ossining From: bounce-122595008-26736...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-122595008-26736...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Karen McCaffrey Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:42 AM To: Gus Keri ; Mike Cc: Ken F ; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.) While, that is a viable punishment, safety of the bird is paramount and birders will have to be birders and do their own due diligence. In other words, find your own dam birds instead of chasing a list. Just my opinion, YMMV. Karen McCaffrey From: bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Gus Keri Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:28 AM To: Mike Cc: Ken F ; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.) Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want to enjoy looking at these rare birds? Why not punishing the misbehaving birders/photographers? If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a migratory bird or stepping on restricted area to get closer to it, call the police and photograph them being arrested. Then post their photo on social media and let it be a lesson to all the misbehaving birders. This collective punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder. Gus Sent using Zoho Mail On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700 Mike wrote Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite being told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car. Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until after they’re gone. Mike Cooper Ridge, LI Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F wrote: The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more elusive. Ken Feustel -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds ABA -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)
Photographers definitely can be incredibly inconsiderate and chase away rare (or not rare) birds (and then deny it). Indeed, I remember the Gyrfalcon (like Ruff a bird I have never seen) spooked by a photographer at Blue Chip Farms who sacrilegiously uses the moniker “LarryBird.” However, I am not sure calling the police is really the way to go. So whether it’s birders v. photographers (redux), or anything of far more import in this world, not likely to change anytime soon. In the words of Rodney King, c. 1992 -- who suffered a far greater indignity than missing a ruff or a gyrfalcon: “People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? … I mean, we’re all stuck here for a while. Let’s try to work it out . . .” (Yeah, sure.) Go Celts. L. Trachtenberg Ossining From: bounce-122595008-26736...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-122595008-26736...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Karen McCaffrey Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:42 AM To: Gus Keri ; Mike Cc: Ken F ; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.) While, that is a viable punishment, safety of the bird is paramount and birders will have to be birders and do their own due diligence. In other words, find your own dam birds instead of chasing a list. Just my opinion, YMMV. Karen McCaffrey From: bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu> [mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Gus Keri Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:28 AM To: Mike mailto:mike...@optonline.net>> Cc: Ken F mailto:feus...@optonline.net>>; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu<mailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.) Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want to enjoy looking at these rare birds? Why not punishing the misbehaving birders/photographers? If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a migratory bird or stepping on restricted area to get closer to it, call the police and photograph them being arrested. Then post their photo on social media and let it be a lesson to all the misbehaving birders. This collective punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder. Gus Sent using Zoho Mail<https://www.zoho.com/mail/> On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700 Mikemailto:mike...@optonline.net>> wrote Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite being told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car. Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until after they’re gone. Mike Cooper Ridge, LI Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F mailto:feus...@optonline.net>> wrote: The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more elusive. Ken Feustel -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> ABA<http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> ABA<http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> ABA<http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm> Rules and Inform
Re: RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)
No. Not the answer. That would be a throwback to two generations ago when there was an "old boys network" and everyone else was locked out. Bob LewisSleepy Hollow NY On Thursday, May 24, 2018, 9:42:27 AM EDT, Karen McCaffrey wrote: While, that is a viable punishment, safety of the bird is paramount and birders will have to be birders and do their own due diligence. In other words, find your own dam birds instead of chasing a list. Just my opinion, YMMV. Karen McCaffrey From: bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu]On Behalf Of Gus Keri Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:28 AM To: Mike Cc: Ken F ; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.) Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want to enjoy looking at these rare birds? Why not punishing the misbehaving birders/photographers? If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a migratory bird or stepping on restricted area to get closer to it, call the police and photograph them being arrested. Then post their photo on social media and let it be a lesson to all the misbehaving birders. This collective punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder. Gus Sent usingZoho Mail On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700 Mike wrote Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite being told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car. Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until after they’re gone. Mike Cooper Ridge, LI Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F wrote: The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more elusive. Ken Feustel -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds ABA Please submit your observations toeBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds ABA Please submit your observations toeBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds ABA Please submit your observations toeBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds ABA Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)
While, that is a viable punishment, safety of the bird is paramount and birders will have to be birders and do their own due diligence. In other words, find your own dam birds instead of chasing a list. Just my opinion, YMMV. Karen McCaffrey From: bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-122594973-76105...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Gus Keri Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:28 AM To: Mike Cc: Ken F ; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.) Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want to enjoy looking at these rare birds? Why not punishing the misbehaving birders/photographers? If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a migratory bird or stepping on restricted area to get closer to it, call the police and photograph them being arrested. Then post their photo on social media and let it be a lesson to all the misbehaving birders. This collective punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder. Gus Sent using Zoho Mail<https://www.zoho.com/mail/> On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700 Mikemailto:mike...@optonline.net>> wrote Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite being told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car. Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until after they’re gone. Mike Cooper Ridge, LI Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F mailto:feus...@optonline.net>> wrote: The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more elusive. Ken Feustel -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> ABA<http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> ABA<http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> ABA<http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)
Why is the solution always to punish the good birders who only want to enjoy looking at these rare birds?Why not punishing the misbehaving birders/photographers?If you see someone breaking the law by harassing a migratory bird or stepping on restricted area to get closer to it, call the police and photograph them being arrested. Then post their photo on social media and let it be a lesson to all the misbehaving birders.This collective punishment doesn’t help any bird or birder.GusSent using Zoho Mail On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:41:35 -0700 Mike wrote Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite being told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car. Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until after they’re gone. Mike CooperRidge, LISent from my iPhoneOn May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F wrote:The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more elusive.Ken Feustel -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and BasicsRules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds ABA Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and BasicsRules and InformationSubscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds ABA Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Ruff at Heckscher Park - NO (Suffolk Co.)
Probably another successful chase away thanks to the photographers on the scene last night who relentlessly chased the bird from one pool to the other despite being told that the bird was best observed and photographed from the car. Unfortunately the solution may be to no longer post birds to the list until after they’re gone. Mike Cooper Ridge, LI Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ken F wrote: > > The previously reported Ruff at Heckscher State Park was not relocated this > morning at about 7:00AM. However, it may still be here but becoming more > elusive. > > Ken Feustel > -- > NYSbirds-L List Info: > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > Archives: > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > ABA > Please submit your observations to eBird! > -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --