Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls
I am posting the following on behalf of Jillian Liner, Audubon New York.Judy Davis, past president of the Great South Bay Audubon SocietyThis is a great discussion and I wanted to add a few more thoughtsI agree it would be nice to see more habitat restoration and enhancement projects on Long Island, in particular for highly at-risk birds like Saltmarsh Sparrows, Piping Plovers, and other beach nesting birds. The Fire Island Inlet to Moriches Inlet (FIMI) project is required to include a habitat restoration component to help offset the notable impacts the project will have on Piping Plovers-the USFWS believes that the project will take up to 11 pairs of Piping Plover through the modification of habitat. The FIMI project will degrade or destroy beach nesting bird habitat across most of the 19-mile project area. Perhaps most significant to Piping Plovers is the optimal habitat (i.e. good foraging and breeding habitat with an ocean to bay connection) found in Smith Point County Park, which will be seriously degraded and destroyed as a result of the FIMI project. As part of the FIMI mitigation, the Corps has proposed creating ephemeral pools at the Great Gunn portion of Smith Point County Park (eastern tip of park). The specifics of that restoration work have not been available, and without those, it is hard to say if that effort will be successful, but what is certain is that it won't recreate the preferred bay to ocean habitat that will be lost because of the project. Also, attempts to create ephemeral pools at other sites on Long Island have not been successful, and the high elevation at the Great Gunn area makes it unlikely that this will be successful there. I definitely support experimenting with habitat restoration and a project the size of the FIMI project that will seriously impact plovers absolutely requires adequate mitigation. Hopefully something beneficial can be created.JillianJillian LinerDirector of Bird ConservationAudubon New Yorkc/o Cornell Lab of Ornithology159 Sapsucker Woods RoadIthaca, NY 14850607-254-2437jli...@audubon.org- Original Message -From: Hugh McGuinness Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:00 amSubject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little GullsTo: "Grover, Bob" Cc: syschiff , NYSBIRDS_L > Hooray. This is very exciting. Wish I were going to be there. > Now If I can> just get NPS to become similarly enlightened, I might be able to > find Semi> Plover in DC and bring my shorebird list to 7! ;)> > Hugh> > > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Grover, Bob > wrote:> > > Hi Hugh,> >> > Actually, there are plans to do just that this fall at Smith > Point County> > Park as part of the Fire Island to Moriches Inlet (FIMI) > project. There> > was a collaborative design effort between the Corps of > Engineers, US Fish> > and Wildlife, the DEC, and Suffolk County to design into the > project> significant areas of shorebird habitat. I am pretty > excited to see the> > finished product..> >> > Bob> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > *From:* Hugh McGuinness [mailto:hdmcguinn...@gmail.com]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:41 AM> > *To:* Grover, Bob> > *Cc:* syschiff; NYSBIRDS_L> > *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls> >> >> >> > Bob et al,> >> > Do you think this kind of habitat can be manufactured with heavy> > equipment? I remember many years ago a prospective homeowner > bulldozed the> > back-dune along Dune Road in Quogue. That first summer that > shallow scrape> > filled with fresh water and it was the only time I have ever > seen Baird's> > Sandpiper at Shinnecock. THere were many other uncommon > species as well. As> > the scrape slowly filled in with Spartina, it became less used by> > sandpipers over the years, but still good birds were to be > found for> > several years--a spring Stilt Sandpiper comes to mind. Ever > since this> > experience, I have often thought that a bird-minded, > government-sponsored,> > environmental conservation organization could create great > bird habitat if> > it chose to do so because, of say, people pressuring them to > do so.> >> > Hugh> >> >> >> > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Grover, Bob > wrote:> >> > Sy, et al.,> >> > I don’t believe that is entirely accurate. First, there was > no breach.> > There was a large bypass shoal that had been forming offshore > for many> > months. As is often the case, it had a crescent shape. > During a minor> > coastal storm, the entire shoal migrated onshore as a swash > bar and
Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls
I am posting the following on behalf of Jillian Liner, Audubon New York.Judy Davis, past president of the Great South Bay Audubon SocietyThis is a great discussion and I wanted to add a few more thoughtsI agree it would be nice to see more habitat restoration and enhancement projects on Long Island, in particular for highly at-risk birds like Saltmarsh Sparrows, Piping Plovers, and other beach nesting birds. The Fire Island Inlet to Moriches Inlet (FIMI) project is required to include a habitat restoration component to help offset the notable impacts the project will have on Piping Plovers-the USFWS believes that the project will take up to 11 pairs of Piping Plover through the modification of habitat. The FIMI project will degrade or destroy beach nesting bird habitat across most of the 19-mile project area. Perhaps most significant to Piping Plovers is the optimal habitat (i.e. good foraging and breeding habitat with an ocean to bay connection) found in Smith Point County Park, which will be seriously degraded and destroyed as a result of the FIMI project. As part of the FIMI mitigation, the Corps has proposed creating ephemeral pools at the Great Gunn portion of Smith Point County Park (eastern tip of park). The specifics of that restoration work have not been available, and without those, it is hard to say if that effort will be successful, but what is certain is that it won't recreate the preferred bay to ocean habitat that will be lost because of the project. Also, attempts to create ephemeral pools at other sites on Long Island have not been successful, and the high elevation at the Great Gunn area makes it unlikely that this will be successful there. I definitely support experimenting with habitat restoration and a project the size of the FIMI project that will seriously impact plovers absolutely requires adequate mitigation. Hopefully something beneficial can be created.JillianJillian LinerDirector of Bird ConservationAudubon New Yorkc/o Cornell Lab of Ornithology159 Sapsucker Woods RoadIthaca, NY 14850607-254-2437jli...@audubon.org- Original Message -From: Hugh McGuinness Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:00 amSubject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little GullsTo: Grover, Bob Cc: syschiff , NYSBIRDS_L Hooray. This is very exciting. Wish I were going to be there. Now If I can just get NPS to become similarly enlightened, I might be able to find Semi Plover in DC and bring my shorebird list to 7! ;) Hugh On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Grover, Bob wrote: Hi Hugh, Actually, there are plans to do just that this fall at Smith Point County Park as part of the Fire Island to Moriches Inlet (FIMI) project. There was a collaborative design effort between the Corps of Engineers, US Fish and Wildlife, the DEC, and Suffolk County to design into the project significant areas of shorebird habitat. I am pretty excited to see the finished product.. Bob *From:* Hugh McGuinness [mailto:hdmcguinn...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:41 AM *To:* Grover, Bob *Cc:* syschiff; NYSBIRDS_L *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls Bob et al, Do you think this kind of habitat can be manufactured with heavy equipment? I remember many years ago a prospective homeowner bulldozed the back-dune along Dune Road in Quogue. That first summer that shallow scrape filled with fresh water and it was the only time I have ever seen Baird's Sandpiper at Shinnecock. THere were many other uncommon species as well. As the scrape slowly filled in with Spartina, it became less used by sandpipers over the years, but still good birds were to be found for several years--a spring Stilt Sandpiper comes to mind. Ever since this experience, I have often thought that a bird-minded, government-sponsored, environmental conservation organization could create great bird habitat if it chose to do so because, of say, people pressuring them to do so. Hugh On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Grover, Bob wrote: Sy, et al., I don’t believe that is entirely accurate. First, there was no breach. There was a large bypass shoal that had been forming offshore for many months. As is often the case, it had a crescent shape. During a minor coastal storm, the entire shoal migrated onshore as a swash bar and welded itself to the beach, enclosing a large coastal pond. This is a common event around tidal inlets and the process through which sediment is bypassed, but the magnitude of this bar was unusual. As Sy noted, the shorebirding was outstanding, and not just shorebirds, as it afforded me my lifer Yellow Rail (the habitat and birds it attracted were all nicely chronicled by Ken Feustel in *The Kingbird*). Anyway, overtime, the bar continued naturally to migrate shoreward, slowly shrinking the pond, until it disappeared
Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls
Hooray. This is very exciting. Wish I were going to be there. Now If I can just get NPS to become similarly enlightened, I might be able to find Semi Plover in DC and bring my shorebird list to 7! ;) Hugh On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Grover, Bob wrote: > Hi Hugh, > > Actually, there are plans to do just that this fall at Smith Point County > Park as part of the Fire Island to Moriches Inlet (FIMI) project. There > was a collaborative design effort between the Corps of Engineers, US Fish > and Wildlife, the DEC, and Suffolk County to design into the project > significant areas of shorebird habitat. I am pretty excited to see the > finished product.. > > Bob > > > > > > > > *From:* Hugh McGuinness [mailto:hdmcguinn...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:41 AM > *To:* Grover, Bob > *Cc:* syschiff; NYSBIRDS_L > *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls > > > > Bob et al, > > Do you think this kind of habitat can be manufactured with heavy > equipment? I remember many years ago a prospective homeowner bulldozed the > back-dune along Dune Road in Quogue. That first summer that shallow scrape > filled with fresh water and it was the only time I have ever seen Baird's > Sandpiper at Shinnecock. THere were many other uncommon species as well. As > the scrape slowly filled in with Spartina, it became less used by > sandpipers over the years, but still good birds were to be found for > several years--a spring Stilt Sandpiper comes to mind. Ever since this > experience, I have often thought that a bird-minded, government-sponsored, > environmental conservation organization could create great bird habitat if > it chose to do so because, of say, people pressuring them to do so. > > Hugh > > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Grover, Bob wrote: > > Sy, et al., > > I don’t believe that is entirely accurate. First, there was no breach. > There was a large bypass shoal that had been forming offshore for many > months. As is often the case, it had a crescent shape. During a minor > coastal storm, the entire shoal migrated onshore as a swash bar and welded > itself to the beach, enclosing a large coastal pond. This is a common > event around tidal inlets and the process through which sediment is > bypassed, but the magnitude of this bar was unusual. As Sy noted, the > shorebirding was outstanding, and not just shorebirds, as it afforded me my > lifer Yellow Rail (the habitat and birds it attracted were all nicely > chronicled by Ken Feustel in *The Kingbird*). Anyway, overtime, the bar > continued naturally to migrate shoreward, slowly shrinking the pond, until > it disappeared altogether. There was no interference by park or other > personnel. Rather, it was a wonderful opportunity to study the ephemeral > nature of coastal sedimentary features. There is plenty of blame to go > around in the destruction of habitat, but this is not one of those cases. > > Bob Grover > > > > > > *From:* bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto: > bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *syschiff > > > *Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2014 2:02 PM > *To:* NYSBIRDS_L > *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls > > > > Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island. > > > > In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools > between the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering > Bonaparte's Gulls were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in > plumage similar to the current bird. > > > > The easy access birding there produced Godwits, Whimbrel, Stints and loads > of the more common shorebirds. Until the park personnel closed the breach > because of water flowing through the widening gap and the rip currents that > were produced, this was the best shore birding location on Long Island. > > > > Sy Schiff > > > > -- > > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> > > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> > > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > > *Archives:* > > The Mail Archive > <http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > > BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> > > *Please submit your observations to **eBird* > <http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>*!* > > -- > > > -- > > This communic
RE: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls
Hi Hugh, Actually, there are plans to do just that this fall at Smith Point County Park as part of the Fire Island to Moriches Inlet (FIMI) project. There was a collaborative design effort between the Corps of Engineers, US Fish and Wildlife, the DEC, and Suffolk County to design into the project significant areas of shorebird habitat. I am pretty excited to see the finished product.. Bob From: Hugh McGuinness [mailto:hdmcguinn...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:41 AM To: Grover, Bob Cc: syschiff; NYSBIRDS_L Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls Bob et al, Do you think this kind of habitat can be manufactured with heavy equipment? I remember many years ago a prospective homeowner bulldozed the back-dune along Dune Road in Quogue. That first summer that shallow scrape filled with fresh water and it was the only time I have ever seen Baird's Sandpiper at Shinnecock. THere were many other uncommon species as well. As the scrape slowly filled in with Spartina, it became less used by sandpipers over the years, but still good birds were to be found for several years--a spring Stilt Sandpiper comes to mind. Ever since this experience, I have often thought that a bird-minded, government-sponsored, environmental conservation organization could create great bird habitat if it chose to do so because, of say, people pressuring them to do so. Hugh On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Grover, Bob mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote: Sy, et al., I don’t believe that is entirely accurate. First, there was no breach. There was a large bypass shoal that had been forming offshore for many months. As is often the case, it had a crescent shape. During a minor coastal storm, the entire shoal migrated onshore as a swash bar and welded itself to the beach, enclosing a large coastal pond. This is a common event around tidal inlets and the process through which sediment is bypassed, but the magnitude of this bar was unusual. As Sy noted, the shorebirding was outstanding, and not just shorebirds, as it afforded me my lifer Yellow Rail (the habitat and birds it attracted were all nicely chronicled by Ken Feustel in The Kingbird). Anyway, overtime, the bar continued naturally to migrate shoreward, slowly shrinking the pond, until it disappeared altogether. There was no interference by park or other personnel. Rather, it was a wonderful opportunity to study the ephemeral nature of coastal sedimentary features. There is plenty of blame to go around in the destruction of habitat, but this is not one of those cases. Bob Grover From: bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu> [mailto:bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu>] On Behalf Of syschiff Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:02 PM To: NYSBIRDS_L Subject: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island. In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools between the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering Bonaparte's Gulls were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in plumage similar to the current bird. The easy access birding there produced Godwits, Whimbrel, Stints and loads of the more common shorebirds. Until the park personnel closed the breach because of water flowing through the widening gap and the rip currents that were produced, this was the best shore birding location on Long Island. Sy Schiff -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> BirdingOnThe.Net<http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- This communication and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity named as the addressee. It may contain information which is privileged and/or confidential under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or such recipient's employee or agent, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited and to notify the sender immediately. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<
Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls
Bob et al, Do you think this kind of habitat can be manufactured with heavy equipment? I remember many years ago a prospective homeowner bulldozed the back-dune along Dune Road in Quogue. That first summer that shallow scrape filled with fresh water and it was the only time I have ever seen Baird's Sandpiper at Shinnecock. THere were many other uncommon species as well. As the scrape slowly filled in with Spartina, it became less used by sandpipers over the years, but still good birds were to be found for several years--a spring Stilt Sandpiper comes to mind. Ever since this experience, I have often thought that a bird-minded, government-sponsored, environmental conservation organization could create great bird habitat if it chose to do so because, of say, people pressuring them to do so. Hugh On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Grover, Bob wrote: > Sy, et al., > > I don’t believe that is entirely accurate. First, there was no breach. > There was a large bypass shoal that had been forming offshore for many > months. As is often the case, it had a crescent shape. During a minor > coastal storm, the entire shoal migrated onshore as a swash bar and welded > itself to the beach, enclosing a large coastal pond. This is a common > event around tidal inlets and the process through which sediment is > bypassed, but the magnitude of this bar was unusual. As Sy noted, the > shorebirding was outstanding, and not just shorebirds, as it afforded me my > lifer Yellow Rail (the habitat and birds it attracted were all nicely > chronicled by Ken Feustel in *The Kingbird*). Anyway, overtime, the bar > continued naturally to migrate shoreward, slowly shrinking the pond, until > it disappeared altogether. There was no interference by park or other > personnel. Rather, it was a wonderful opportunity to study the ephemeral > nature of coastal sedimentary features. There is plenty of blame to go > around in the destruction of habitat, but this is not one of those cases. > > Bob Grover > > > > > > *From:* bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto: > bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *syschiff > > *Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2014 2:02 PM > *To:* NYSBIRDS_L > *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls > > > > Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island. > > > > In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools > between the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering > Bonaparte's Gulls were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in > plumage similar to the current bird. > > > > The easy access birding there produced Godwits, Whimbrel, Stints and loads > of the more common shorebirds. Until the park personnel closed the breach > because of water flowing through the widening gap and the rip currents that > were produced, this was the best shore birding location on Long Island. > > > > Sy Schiff > > > > -- > > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> > > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> > > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > > *Archives:* > > The Mail Archive > <http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > > BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> > > *Please submit your observations to **eBird* > <http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>*!* > > -- > > -- > This communication and any attachments are intended only for the use of > the individual or entity named as the addressee. It may contain information > which is privileged and/or confidential under applicable law. If you are > not the intended recipient or such recipient's employee or agent, you are > hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this > communication is strictly prohibited and to notify the sender immediately. > -- > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > <http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> > *Please submit your observations to **eBird* > <h
RE: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls
Sy, et al., I don't believe that is entirely accurate. First, there was no breach. There was a large bypass shoal that had been forming offshore for many months. As is often the case, it had a crescent shape. During a minor coastal storm, the entire shoal migrated onshore as a swash bar and welded itself to the beach, enclosing a large coastal pond. This is a common event around tidal inlets and the process through which sediment is bypassed, but the magnitude of this bar was unusual. As Sy noted, the shorebirding was outstanding, and not just shorebirds, as it afforded me my lifer Yellow Rail (the habitat and birds it attracted were all nicely chronicled by Ken Feustel in The Kingbird). Anyway, overtime, the bar continued naturally to migrate shoreward, slowly shrinking the pond, until it disappeared altogether. There was no interference by park or other personnel. Rather, it was a wonderful opportunity to study the ephemeral nature of coastal sedimentary features. There is plenty of blame to go around in the destruction of habitat, but this is not one of those cases. Bob Grover From: bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of syschiff Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:02 PM To: NYSBIRDS_L Subject: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island. In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools between the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering Bonaparte's Gulls were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in plumage similar to the current bird. The easy access birding there produced Godwits, Whimbrel, Stints and loads of the more common shorebirds. Until the park personnel closed the breach because of water flowing through the widening gap and the rip currents that were produced, this was the best shore birding location on Long Island. Sy Schiff -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> BirdingOnThe.Net<http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- This communication and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity named as the addressee. It may contain information which is privileged and/or confidential under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or such recipient's employee or agent, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited and to notify the sender immediately. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls
Sy, et al., I don't believe that is entirely accurate. First, there was no breach. There was a large bypass shoal that had been forming offshore for many months. As is often the case, it had a crescent shape. During a minor coastal storm, the entire shoal migrated onshore as a swash bar and welded itself to the beach, enclosing a large coastal pond. This is a common event around tidal inlets and the process through which sediment is bypassed, but the magnitude of this bar was unusual. As Sy noted, the shorebirding was outstanding, and not just shorebirds, as it afforded me my lifer Yellow Rail (the habitat and birds it attracted were all nicely chronicled by Ken Feustel in The Kingbird). Anyway, overtime, the bar continued naturally to migrate shoreward, slowly shrinking the pond, until it disappeared altogether. There was no interference by park or other personnel. Rather, it was a wonderful opportunity to study the ephemeral nature of coastal sedimentary features. There is plenty of blame to go around in the destruction of habitat, but this is not one of those cases. Bob Grover From: bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of syschiff Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:02 PM To: NYSBIRDS_L Subject: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island. In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools between the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering Bonaparte's Gulls were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in plumage similar to the current bird. The easy access birding there produced Godwits, Whimbrel, Stints and loads of the more common shorebirds. Until the park personnel closed the breach because of water flowing through the widening gap and the rip currents that were produced, this was the best shore birding location on Long Island. Sy Schiff -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- This communication and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity named as the addressee. It may contain information which is privileged and/or confidential under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or such recipient's employee or agent, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited and to notify the sender immediately. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls
Bob et al, Do you think this kind of habitat can be manufactured with heavy equipment? I remember many years ago a prospective homeowner bulldozed the back-dune along Dune Road in Quogue. That first summer that shallow scrape filled with fresh water and it was the only time I have ever seen Baird's Sandpiper at Shinnecock. THere were many other uncommon species as well. As the scrape slowly filled in with Spartina, it became less used by sandpipers over the years, but still good birds were to be found for several years--a spring Stilt Sandpiper comes to mind. Ever since this experience, I have often thought that a bird-minded, government-sponsored, environmental conservation organization could create great bird habitat if it chose to do so because, of say, people pressuring them to do so. Hugh On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Grover, Bob rgro...@gpinet.com wrote: Sy, et al., I don’t believe that is entirely accurate. First, there was no breach. There was a large bypass shoal that had been forming offshore for many months. As is often the case, it had a crescent shape. During a minor coastal storm, the entire shoal migrated onshore as a swash bar and welded itself to the beach, enclosing a large coastal pond. This is a common event around tidal inlets and the process through which sediment is bypassed, but the magnitude of this bar was unusual. As Sy noted, the shorebirding was outstanding, and not just shorebirds, as it afforded me my lifer Yellow Rail (the habitat and birds it attracted were all nicely chronicled by Ken Feustel in *The Kingbird*). Anyway, overtime, the bar continued naturally to migrate shoreward, slowly shrinking the pond, until it disappeared altogether. There was no interference by park or other personnel. Rather, it was a wonderful opportunity to study the ephemeral nature of coastal sedimentary features. There is plenty of blame to go around in the destruction of habitat, but this is not one of those cases. Bob Grover *From:* bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto: bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *syschiff *Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2014 2:02 PM *To:* NYSBIRDS_L *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island. In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools between the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering Bonaparte's Gulls were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in plumage similar to the current bird. The easy access birding there produced Godwits, Whimbrel, Stints and loads of the more common shorebirds. Until the park personnel closed the breach because of water flowing through the widening gap and the rip currents that were produced, this was the best shore birding location on Long Island. Sy Schiff -- *NYSbirds-L List Info:* Welcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME Rules and Information http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leave http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm *Archives:* The Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirds http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L BirdingOnThe.Net http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html *Please submit your observations to **eBird* http://ebird.org/content/ebird/*!* -- -- This communication and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity named as the addressee. It may contain information which is privileged and/or confidential under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or such recipient's employee or agent, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited and to notify the sender immediately. -- *NYSbirds-L List Info:* Welcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME Rules and Information http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leave http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm *Archives:* The Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirds http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L BirdingOnThe.Net http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html *Please submit your observations to **eBird* http://ebird.org/content/ebird/*!* -- -- Hugh McGuinness Washington, D.C. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations
RE: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls
Hi Hugh, Actually, there are plans to do just that this fall at Smith Point County Park as part of the Fire Island to Moriches Inlet (FIMI) project. There was a collaborative design effort between the Corps of Engineers, US Fish and Wildlife, the DEC, and Suffolk County to design into the project significant areas of shorebird habitat. I am pretty excited to see the finished product.. Bob From: Hugh McGuinness [mailto:hdmcguinn...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:41 AM To: Grover, Bob Cc: syschiff; NYSBIRDS_L Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls Bob et al, Do you think this kind of habitat can be manufactured with heavy equipment? I remember many years ago a prospective homeowner bulldozed the back-dune along Dune Road in Quogue. That first summer that shallow scrape filled with fresh water and it was the only time I have ever seen Baird's Sandpiper at Shinnecock. THere were many other uncommon species as well. As the scrape slowly filled in with Spartina, it became less used by sandpipers over the years, but still good birds were to be found for several years--a spring Stilt Sandpiper comes to mind. Ever since this experience, I have often thought that a bird-minded, government-sponsored, environmental conservation organization could create great bird habitat if it chose to do so because, of say, people pressuring them to do so. Hugh On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Grover, Bob rgro...@gpinet.commailto:rgro...@gpinet.com wrote: Sy, et al., I don’t believe that is entirely accurate. First, there was no breach. There was a large bypass shoal that had been forming offshore for many months. As is often the case, it had a crescent shape. During a minor coastal storm, the entire shoal migrated onshore as a swash bar and welded itself to the beach, enclosing a large coastal pond. This is a common event around tidal inlets and the process through which sediment is bypassed, but the magnitude of this bar was unusual. As Sy noted, the shorebirding was outstanding, and not just shorebirds, as it afforded me my lifer Yellow Rail (the habitat and birds it attracted were all nicely chronicled by Ken Feustel in The Kingbird). Anyway, overtime, the bar continued naturally to migrate shoreward, slowly shrinking the pond, until it disappeared altogether. There was no interference by park or other personnel. Rather, it was a wonderful opportunity to study the ephemeral nature of coastal sedimentary features. There is plenty of blame to go around in the destruction of habitat, but this is not one of those cases. Bob Grover From: bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edumailto:bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edumailto:bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of syschiff Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:02 PM To: NYSBIRDS_L Subject: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island. In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools between the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering Bonaparte's Gulls were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in plumage similar to the current bird. The easy access birding there produced Godwits, Whimbrel, Stints and loads of the more common shorebirds. Until the park personnel closed the breach because of water flowing through the widening gap and the rip currents that were produced, this was the best shore birding location on Long Island. Sy Schiff -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- This communication and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity named as the addressee. It may contain information which is privileged and/or confidential under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or such recipient's employee or agent, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited and to notify the sender immediately. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com
Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls
Hooray. This is very exciting. Wish I were going to be there. Now If I can just get NPS to become similarly enlightened, I might be able to find Semi Plover in DC and bring my shorebird list to 7! ;) Hugh On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Grover, Bob rgro...@gpinet.com wrote: Hi Hugh, Actually, there are plans to do just that this fall at Smith Point County Park as part of the Fire Island to Moriches Inlet (FIMI) project. There was a collaborative design effort between the Corps of Engineers, US Fish and Wildlife, the DEC, and Suffolk County to design into the project significant areas of shorebird habitat. I am pretty excited to see the finished product.. Bob *From:* Hugh McGuinness [mailto:hdmcguinn...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:41 AM *To:* Grover, Bob *Cc:* syschiff; NYSBIRDS_L *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls Bob et al, Do you think this kind of habitat can be manufactured with heavy equipment? I remember many years ago a prospective homeowner bulldozed the back-dune along Dune Road in Quogue. That first summer that shallow scrape filled with fresh water and it was the only time I have ever seen Baird's Sandpiper at Shinnecock. THere were many other uncommon species as well. As the scrape slowly filled in with Spartina, it became less used by sandpipers over the years, but still good birds were to be found for several years--a spring Stilt Sandpiper comes to mind. Ever since this experience, I have often thought that a bird-minded, government-sponsored, environmental conservation organization could create great bird habitat if it chose to do so because, of say, people pressuring them to do so. Hugh On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Grover, Bob rgro...@gpinet.com wrote: Sy, et al., I don’t believe that is entirely accurate. First, there was no breach. There was a large bypass shoal that had been forming offshore for many months. As is often the case, it had a crescent shape. During a minor coastal storm, the entire shoal migrated onshore as a swash bar and welded itself to the beach, enclosing a large coastal pond. This is a common event around tidal inlets and the process through which sediment is bypassed, but the magnitude of this bar was unusual. As Sy noted, the shorebirding was outstanding, and not just shorebirds, as it afforded me my lifer Yellow Rail (the habitat and birds it attracted were all nicely chronicled by Ken Feustel in *The Kingbird*). Anyway, overtime, the bar continued naturally to migrate shoreward, slowly shrinking the pond, until it disappeared altogether. There was no interference by park or other personnel. Rather, it was a wonderful opportunity to study the ephemeral nature of coastal sedimentary features. There is plenty of blame to go around in the destruction of habitat, but this is not one of those cases. Bob Grover *From:* bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto: bounce-117712640-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *syschiff *Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2014 2:02 PM *To:* NYSBIRDS_L *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island. In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools between the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering Bonaparte's Gulls were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in plumage similar to the current bird. The easy access birding there produced Godwits, Whimbrel, Stints and loads of the more common shorebirds. Until the park personnel closed the breach because of water flowing through the widening gap and the rip currents that were produced, this was the best shore birding location on Long Island. Sy Schiff -- *NYSbirds-L List Info:* Welcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME Rules and Information http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leave http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm *Archives:* The Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirds http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L BirdingOnThe.Net http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html *Please submit your observations to **eBird* http://ebird.org/content/ebird/*!* -- -- This communication and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity named as the addressee. It may contain information which is privileged and/or confidential under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or such recipient's employee or agent, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited and to notify the sender immediately. -- *NYSbirds-L List Info:* Welcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME Rules and Information
RE: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls
For those who are interested in how things change, and how they stay the same, in the New York birding world, here is a link to an article by Ken Feustel on the Cedar Beach shorebird pools: http://www.nybirds.org/KBsearch/y1993v43n3/y1993v43n3p170-184feustel.pdf# --and to an essay I wrote four years ago, focusing in part on the phenomenon of over-summering sub-adult larids, including Little Gulls: http://www.nybirds.org/KBsearch/y2010v60n4/y2010v60n4p313-317mitra.pdf# Shai Mitra Bay Shore From: bounce-117712640-11143...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-117712640-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of syschiff [icte...@optonline.net] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:02 PM To: NYSBIRDS_L Subject: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island. In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools between the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering Bonaparte's Gulls were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in plumage similar to the current bird. The easy access birding there produced Godwits, Whimbrel, Stints and loads of the more common shorebirds. Until the park personnel closed the breach because of water flowing through the widening gap and the rip currents that were produced, this was the best shore birding location on Long Island. Sy Schiff CSI Represents NY in Nationwide State Rankings. Learn more>>><http://csitoday.com/2014/04/csi-represents-ny-in-nationwide-state-rankings/> -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls
Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island. In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools between the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering Bonaparte's Gulls were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in plumage similar to the current bird. The easy access birding there produced Godwits, Whimbrel, Stints and loads of the more common shorebirds. Until the park personnel closed the breach because of water flowing through the widening gap and the rip currents that were produced, this was the best shore birding location on Long Island. Sy Schiff -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls
For those who are interested in how things change, and how they stay the same, in the New York birding world, here is a link to an article by Ken Feustel on the Cedar Beach shorebird pools: http://www.nybirds.org/KBsearch/y1993v43n3/y1993v43n3p170-184feustel.pdf# --and to an essay I wrote four years ago, focusing in part on the phenomenon of over-summering sub-adult larids, including Little Gulls: http://www.nybirds.org/KBsearch/y2010v60n4/y2010v60n4p313-317mitra.pdf# Shai Mitra Bay Shore From: bounce-117712640-11143...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-117712640-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of syschiff [icte...@optonline.net] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:02 PM To: NYSBIRDS_L Subject: [nysbirds-l] Other summering Little Gulls Little Gulls in the summer on Long Island. In the early 90's storms had breached Cedar Beach leaving large pools between the sand beach and the dunes. In late July 1990, 8 summering Bonaparte's Gulls were joined for an extended period by a Little Gull in plumage similar to the current bird. The easy access birding there produced Godwits, Whimbrel, Stints and loads of the more common shorebirds. Until the park personnel closed the breach because of water flowing through the widening gap and the rip currents that were produced, this was the best shore birding location on Long Island. Sy Schiff CSI Represents NY in Nationwide State Rankings. Learn morehttp://csitoday.com/2014/04/csi-represents-ny-in-nationwide-state-rankings/ -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
