RE: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

2017 7:47 PM To: NYSBIRDS-L Cc: eBirds NYC Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec) Keep the conversation going with eBird. As an ornithologist, I'm interested in tracking the ups and downs of potential newly established species. As a lister, I'm interested

RE: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

2017 7:47 PM To: NYSBIRDS-L Cc: eBirds NYC Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec) Keep the conversation going with eBird. As an ornithologist, I'm interested in tracking the ups and downs of potential newly established species. As a lister, I'm interested

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

2017 4:02 PM To: brian.whip...@gmail.com Cc: NYSBIRDS-L; eBirds NYC Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec) Hi all, Just to add a bit more context: There have been many in-depth discussions on this topic among the eBird reviewers, and the folks at Cornell

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec) Hi all, Just to add a bit more context: There have been many in-depth discussions on this topic among the eBird reviewers, and the folks at Cornell acknowledge that this is an issue they wish to tackle soon. In one of his recent responses

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Hi all, Just to add a bit more context: There have been many in-depth discussions on this topic among the eBird reviewers, and the folks at Cornell acknowledge that this is an issue they wish to tackle soon. In one of his recent responses to our reviewer listserv, Marshall Iliff indicated that

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Hi all, Just to add a bit more context: There have been many in-depth discussions on this topic among the eBird reviewers, and the folks at Cornell acknowledge that this is an issue they wish to tackle soon. In one of his recent responses to our reviewer listserv, Marshall Iliff indicated that

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

the actual statuses of non-native species. > > Shai Mitra > Bay Shore > > From: bounce-122144147-11143...@list.cornell.edu [ > bounce-122144147-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of John Laver [ > eart...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

f non-native species. > > Shai Mitra > Bay Shore > > From: bounce-122144147-11143...@list.cornell.edu [ > bounce-122144147-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of John Laver [ > eart...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:20 PM &g

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

I agree, it is important to track these birds. Especially as it seems they have adapted quite well and are spreading. Perhaps, we will see them expand like the Monk Parakeets. I had an encounter with the said species this year at Bush Terminal Piers Park, in October. A total of 4 birds with no

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

I agree, it is important to track these birds. Especially as it seems they have adapted quite well and are spreading. Perhaps, we will see them expand like the Monk Parakeets. I had an encounter with the said species this year at Bush Terminal Piers Park, in October. A total of 4 birds with no

RE: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

17 3:02 PM To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) <NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu> Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec) I agree strongly with John and Angus. The consequences for the eBird Hot 100 are at most not very important and at least potentially am

RE: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

17 3:02 PM To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec) I agree strongly with John and Angus. The consequences for the eBird Hot 100 are at most not very important and at least potentially amusing. I thought everybody knew

RE: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

l.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:20 PM To: Angus Wilson Cc: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec) "Personally, I think tracking these potential colonizers is important and interesting. Simply invalidating them or dis

RE: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

l.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:20 PM To: Angus Wilson Cc: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec) "Personally, I think tracking these potential colonizers is important and interesting. Simply invalidating them or dis

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

There is a simple solution that will satisfy the "report everything" contingent and still keep your eBird list free of canaries: create another free eBird account for this (and perhaps other) purposes. Have this account opt out of the Top Birders list and possibly also out of Rare Bird Alert

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

There is a simple solution that will satisfy the "report everything" contingent and still keep your eBird list free of canaries: create another free eBird account for this (and perhaps other) purposes. Have this account opt out of the Top Birders list and possibly also out of Rare Bird Alert

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Oh, weird, I am indeed wrong then ;) Wouldn’t be hard to automate a rule in eBird that folllowed ABA protocol on what’s countable or not? *Dominic Garcia-Hall* *www.antbirds.com * *NY +1 917 740 1945* *UK +44 161 408 4002* On 19 December 2017 at 19:11, nathan

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Oh, weird, I am indeed wrong then ;) Wouldn’t be hard to automate a rule in eBird that folllowed ABA protocol on what’s countable or not? *Dominic Garcia-Hall* *www.antbirds.com * *NY +1 917 740 1945* *UK +44 161 408 4002* On 19 December 2017 at 19:11, nathan

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

"Personally, I think tracking these potential colonizers is important and interesting. Simply invalidating them or discouraging reporting isn't a good solution." Agreed, particularly as range flux is likely to accelerate in ways we'll need to observe and measure as climate changes take hold. We

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

"Personally, I think tracking these potential colonizers is important and interesting. Simply invalidating them or discouraging reporting isn't a good solution." Agreed, particularly as range flux is likely to accelerate in ways we'll need to observe and measure as climate changes take hold. We

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Unfortunately, my life list has both a Brooklyn European Goldfinch and a Manhattan Yellow-fronted Canary on it. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Dominic Garcia-Hall > wrote: I believe they don’t count on county/state lists

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Unfortunately, my life list has both a Brooklyn European Goldfinch and a Manhattan Yellow-fronted Canary on it. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Dominic Garcia-Hall mailto:dominic.h...@gmail.com>> wrote: I believe they don’t count on county/state lists or users' lists, even if

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

I believe they don’t count on county/state lists or users' lists, even if you report them as regular species taxa (or if they don't have a domestic designation in the first place). If you tick a Black Swan in Australia, you'll see your list go up by one. If you tick it in NJ, you won't, even if

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

I believe they don’t count on county/state lists or users' lists, even if you report them as regular species taxa (or if they don't have a domestic designation in the first place). If you tick a Black Swan in Australia, you'll see your list go up by one. If you tick it in NJ, you won't, even if

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

And I believe that is why the ebird reviewers ask you to include them. That way they can get an idea of what other species are out there competing for food and habitat. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Angus Wilson >

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

And I believe that is why the ebird reviewers ask you to include them. That way they can get an idea of what other species are out there competing for food and habitat. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Angus Wilson mailto:oceanwander...@gmail.com>> wrote: For European

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

For European Goldfinch I suspect 'domesticated' isn't an option. Same for other known or presumed escapes or deliberate releases that occur with regularity in NYS (e.g. Chukar and various non-domesticated waterfowl). Personally, I think tracking these potential colonizers is important and

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

For European Goldfinch I suspect 'domesticated' isn't an option. Same for other known or presumed escapes or deliberate releases that occur with regularity in NYS (e.g. Chukar and various non-domesticated waterfowl). Personally, I think tracking these potential colonizers is important and

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

y evidence of breeding, so their populations can be monitored. >>>> >>>> Deb Allen >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: nathan o'reilly >>>> Sent: Dec 19, 2017 4:55 AM >>>> To: Ben Cacac

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

rah Allen >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The European Goldfinches should be entered into ebird, especially if >>>> there is any evidence of breeding, so their populations can be monitored. >>>> >>>> Deb Allen >>>> >>>>

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

be monitored. Deb Allen -Original Message- From: nathan o'reilly Sent: Dec 19, 2017 4:55 AM To: Ben Cacace Cc: NYSBIRDS-L , eBirds NYC Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec) Prospect Park/Brooklyn birders: Have any of you seen them more recently and

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Cc: NYSBIRDS-L , eBirds NYC Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec) Prospect Park/Brooklyn birders: Have any of you seen them more recently and do you enter the European Goldfinch into ebird when you see them? I know some birders do not consider them &quo

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

te: >> >>> The European Goldfinches should be entered into ebird, especially if >>> there is any evidence of breeding, so their populations can be monitored. >>> >>> Deb Allen >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> Fr

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

t;>> there is any evidence of breeding, so their populations can be monitored. >>> >>> Deb Allen >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message- >>> From: nathan o'reilly >>> Sent: Dec 19, 2017 4:55 AM >>> To: Ben Cacace >>&

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

especially if >> there is any evidence of breeding, so their populations can be monitored. >> >> Deb Allen >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: nathan o'reilly >> Sent: Dec 19, 2017 4:55 AM >> To: Ben Cacace >> Cc: NYSBIRDS-L , eBirds NYC

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

heir populations can be monitored. >> >> Deb Allen >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: nathan o'reilly >> Sent: Dec 19, 2017 4:55 AM >> To: Ben Cacace >> Cc: NYSBIRDS-L , eBirds NYC >> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: Europea

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Cacace > Cc: NYSBIRDS-L , eBirds NYC > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock > (18-Dec) > > Prospect Park/Brooklyn birders: Have any of you seen them more recently > and do you enter the European Goldfinch into ebird when you see them? I > know some birde

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

ds NYC > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock > (18-Dec) > > Prospect Park/Brooklyn birders: Have any of you seen them more recently > and do you enter the European Goldfinch into ebird when you see them? I > know some birders do not consider them &qu

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Cc: NYSBIRDS-L <nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>, eBirds NYC <ebirds...@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec) Prospect Park/Brooklyn birders: Have any of you seen them more recently and do you enter the European Goldfinch  into ebird w

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec) Prospect Park/Brooklyn birders: Have any of you seen them more recently and do you enter the European Goldfinch  into ebird when you see them? I know some birders do not consider them "wild" so they do not report them to ebi

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Prospect Park/Brooklyn birders: Have any of you seen them more recently and do you enter the European Goldfinch into ebird when you see them? I know some birders do not consider them "wild" so they do not report them to ebird. Cool sightings for Gov Island though. It is unfortunate to be

Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Prospect Park/Brooklyn birders: Have any of you seen them more recently and do you enter the European Goldfinch into ebird when you see them? I know some birders do not consider them "wild" so they do not report them to ebird. Cool sightings for Gov Island though. It is unfortunate to be