Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[akmirth]

As my wife said “Your enthusiasm I don’t want to kill,dear. You really ‘ave a 
set if you proceed.” Rick’s a tough act to follow buthere goes. 

Te minks (sorry, I was dyslexic there), Methinks thedowager Queen Elizabeth II 
would be appalled at these, oh my god, witlessattempts at humor. Meanwhile, her 
son is known to, while on the green, shank afew putts.

Let the groaning begin. 



Karlo Mirth

(address withheld)









-Original Message-
From: Tim Dunn 
To: rcech 
Cc: NYSBIRDS 
Sent: Tue, Aug 28, 2018 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay


I can’t believe I spotted another one of these emails. Is this going to 
continue until it is snowy outside. At least another little stint of nonsense. 
Maybe greater, maybe lesser.  Definitely not common to see such humor on this 
list serve, but I’ve got to get back to work. I’m very tied up at the moment 
(practically ringed in knots) and green with envy at those who have time to 
continue this line of wandering chit-chat. 


Sorry - that’s five minutes of my life - and two of yours - that none of us are 
getting back. Will stop trying to find another use of semipalmated in a 
sentence now. 


Thanks,
Tim Dunlin
Babylon NY
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 12:29 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:




Yes, All this sniping can get ruff (I suppose it could be courser, but that 
really would be out of order, murre or less anyway). If you take this thing too 
far you could end up Alle alone – solitary – or else get shoved and fall down 
on your Cox’s.
 
In any case, be careful of the changing weather out there on the flats – the 
sun is bright now so you should wear sunscreen to avoid red shanks or swollen, 
thick knees – but in case it gets cold and windy you’ll want to a plover (your 
own or something you’ve Least) – but even then be careful, if it’s very loose 
clothing (i.e., not a windbreaker but a garment you’d Calidris) you’re taking a 
risk, since the wind can blow it off altogether, leaving you Baird.
 
Okay, enough piping up, not another peep, but there are so many others, willet 
ever end? 
Rick 
 

From: bounce-122821439-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Philip Ribolow
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:47 AM
To: Pat Martin 
Cc: Larry Trachtenberg ; Peter Reisfeld 
; NYSBIRDS ; Grover,Bob 
; Andrew Baksh ; Steve Walter 

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

 
Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
back upland. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin  wrote:


Knot so fast.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Trachtenberg 
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM 
To: Peter Reisfeld 
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay 

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld  wrote:


We should leave no turnstone unturned. 

 


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet  wrote:

 

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.



Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob  wrote:


Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:


Hi Steve,

 

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced. 

 

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.


 

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

 

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

 

Cheers,



"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass





風　Swift as the wind

林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain

Sun Tzu  The Art of War

 

(__/)
(= '.'=)

(") _ (") 

Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

 

Andrew Baksh

www.birdingdude.blogspot.com



On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:


I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[akmirth]

As my wife said “Your enthusiasm I don’t want to kill,dear. You really ‘ave a 
set if you proceed.” Rick’s a tough act to follow buthere goes. 

Te minks (sorry, I was dyslexic there), Methinks thedowager Queen Elizabeth II 
would be appalled at these, oh my god, witlessattempts at humor. Meanwhile, her 
son is known to, while on the green, shank afew putts.

Let the groaning begin. 



Karlo Mirth

(address withheld)









-Original Message-
From: Tim Dunn 
To: rcech 
Cc: NYSBIRDS 
Sent: Tue, Aug 28, 2018 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay


I can’t believe I spotted another one of these emails. Is this going to 
continue until it is snowy outside. At least another little stint of nonsense. 
Maybe greater, maybe lesser.  Definitely not common to see such humor on this 
list serve, but I’ve got to get back to work. I’m very tied up at the moment 
(practically ringed in knots) and green with envy at those who have time to 
continue this line of wandering chit-chat. 


Sorry - that’s five minutes of my life - and two of yours - that none of us are 
getting back. Will stop trying to find another use of semipalmated in a 
sentence now. 


Thanks,
Tim Dunlin
Babylon NY
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 12:29 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:




Yes, All this sniping can get ruff (I suppose it could be courser, but that 
really would be out of order, murre or less anyway). If you take this thing too 
far you could end up Alle alone – solitary – or else get shoved and fall down 
on your Cox’s.
 
In any case, be careful of the changing weather out there on the flats – the 
sun is bright now so you should wear sunscreen to avoid red shanks or swollen, 
thick knees – but in case it gets cold and windy you’ll want to a plover (your 
own or something you’ve Least) – but even then be careful, if it’s very loose 
clothing (i.e., not a windbreaker but a garment you’d Calidris) you’re taking a 
risk, since the wind can blow it off altogether, leaving you Baird.
 
Okay, enough piping up, not another peep, but there are so many others, willet 
ever end? 
Rick 
 

From: bounce-122821439-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Philip Ribolow
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:47 AM
To: Pat Martin 
Cc: Larry Trachtenberg ; Peter Reisfeld 
; NYSBIRDS ; Grover,Bob 
; Andrew Baksh ; Steve Walter 

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

 
Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
back upland. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin  wrote:


Knot so fast.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Trachtenberg 
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM 
To: Peter Reisfeld 
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay 

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld  wrote:


We should leave no turnstone unturned. 

 


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet  wrote:

 

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.



Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob  wrote:


Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:


Hi Steve,

 

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced. 

 

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.


 

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

 

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

 

Cheers,



"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass





風　Swift as the wind

林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain

Sun Tzu  The Art of War

 

(__/)
(= '.'=)

(") _ (") 

Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

 

Andrew Baksh

www.birdingdude.blogspot.com



On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:


I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Tim Dunn]

I can’t believe I spotted another one of these emails. Is this going to 
continue until it is snowy outside. At least another little stint of nonsense. 
Maybe greater, maybe lesser.  Definitely not common to see such humor on this 
list serve, but I’ve got to get back to work. I’m very tied up at the moment 
(practically ringed in knots) and green with envy at those who have time to 
continue this line of wandering chit-chat. 

Sorry - that’s five minutes of my life - and two of yours - that none of us are 
getting back. Will stop trying to find another use of semipalmated in a 
sentence now. 

Thanks,
Tim Dunlin
Babylon NY
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2018, at 12:29 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
> 
> Yes, All this sniping can get ruff (I suppose it could be courser, but that 
> really would be out of order, murre or less anyway). If you take this thing 
> too far you could end up Alle alone – solitary – or else get shoved and fall 
> down on your Cox’s.
>  
> In any case, be careful of the changing weather out there on the flats – the 
> sun is bright now so you should wear sunscreen to avoid red shanks or 
> swollen, thick knees – but in case it gets cold and windy you’ll want to a 
> plover (your own or something you’ve Least) – but even then be careful, if 
> it’s very loose clothing (i.e., not a windbreaker but a garment you’d 
> Calidris) you’re taking a risk, since the wind can blow it off altogether, 
> leaving you Baird.
>  
> Okay, enough piping up, not another peep, but there are so many others, 
> willet ever end?
> Rick 
>  
> From: bounce-122821439-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
>  On Behalf Of Philip Ribolow
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:47 AM
> To: Pat Martin 
> Cc: Larry Trachtenberg ; Peter Reisfeld 
> ; NYSBIRDS ; Grover,Bob 
> ; Andrew Baksh ; Steve Walter 
> 
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay
>  
> Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
> back upland. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin  wrote:
> 
> Knot so fast.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Larry Trachtenberg 
> Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM 
> To: Peter Reisfeld 
> Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay 
> 
> That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld  wrote:
> 
> We should leave no turnstone unturned.
>  
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet  wrote:
>  
> A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.
> 
> Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
> Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941
> 
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob  wrote:
> 
> Take a peep? That’s precious.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve,
>  
> Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately 
> take a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have 
> to respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
> referenced. 
>  
> This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
> heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
> Western hybrid with a SESA.
>  
> I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated 
> Sandpipers in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate 
> variation in plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is 
> within the range of just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.
>  
> When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps 
> provide more details.
>  
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule 
> of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ 
> Frederick Douglass
> 
> 
> 風　Swift as the wind
> 林　Quiet as the forest
> 火　Conquer like the fire
> 山　Steady as the mountain
> Sun Tzu  The Art of War
>  
> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 
>  
> Andrew Baksh
> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
> 
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
> 
> I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on 
> the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on 
> Satu

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Tim Dunn]

I can’t believe I spotted another one of these emails. Is this going to 
continue until it is snowy outside. At least another little stint of nonsense. 
Maybe greater, maybe lesser.  Definitely not common to see such humor on this 
list serve, but I’ve got to get back to work. I’m very tied up at the moment 
(practically ringed in knots) and green with envy at those who have time to 
continue this line of wandering chit-chat. 

Sorry - that’s five minutes of my life - and two of yours - that none of us are 
getting back. Will stop trying to find another use of semipalmated in a 
sentence now. 

Thanks,
Tim Dunlin
Babylon NY
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2018, at 12:29 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
> 
> Yes, All this sniping can get ruff (I suppose it could be courser, but that 
> really would be out of order, murre or less anyway). If you take this thing 
> too far you could end up Alle alone – solitary – or else get shoved and fall 
> down on your Cox’s.
>  
> In any case, be careful of the changing weather out there on the flats – the 
> sun is bright now so you should wear sunscreen to avoid red shanks or 
> swollen, thick knees – but in case it gets cold and windy you’ll want to a 
> plover (your own or something you’ve Least) – but even then be careful, if 
> it’s very loose clothing (i.e., not a windbreaker but a garment you’d 
> Calidris) you’re taking a risk, since the wind can blow it off altogether, 
> leaving you Baird.
>  
> Okay, enough piping up, not another peep, but there are so many others, 
> willet ever end?
> Rick 
>  
> From: bounce-122821439-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
>  On Behalf Of Philip Ribolow
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:47 AM
> To: Pat Martin 
> Cc: Larry Trachtenberg ; Peter Reisfeld 
> ; NYSBIRDS ; Grover,Bob 
> ; Andrew Baksh ; Steve Walter 
> 
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay
>  
> Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
> back upland. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin  wrote:
> 
> Knot so fast.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Larry Trachtenberg 
> Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM 
> To: Peter Reisfeld 
> Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay 
> 
> That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld  wrote:
> 
> We should leave no turnstone unturned.
>  
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet  wrote:
>  
> A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.
> 
> Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
> Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941
> 
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob  wrote:
> 
> Take a peep? That’s precious.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve,
>  
> Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately 
> take a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have 
> to respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
> referenced. 
>  
> This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
> heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
> Western hybrid with a SESA.
>  
> I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated 
> Sandpipers in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate 
> variation in plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is 
> within the range of just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.
>  
> When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps 
> provide more details.
>  
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule 
> of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ 
> Frederick Douglass
> 
> 
> 風　Swift as the wind
> 林　Quiet as the forest
> 火　Conquer like the fire
> 山　Steady as the mountain
> Sun Tzu  The Art of War
>  
> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 
>  
> Andrew Baksh
> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
> 
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
> 
> I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on 
> the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on 
> Satu

RE: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[rcech]

Yes, All this sniping can get ruff (I suppose it could be courser, but that 
really would be out of order, murre or less anyway). If you take this thing too 
far you could end up Alle alone – solitary – or else get shoved and fall down 
on your Cox’s.

 

In any case, be careful of the changing weather out there on the flats – the 
sun is bright now so you should wear sunscreen to avoid red shanks or swollen, 
thick knees – but in case it gets cold and windy you’ll want to a plover (your 
own or something you’ve Least) – but even then be careful, if it’s very loose 
clothing (i.e., not a windbreaker but a garment you’d Calidris) you’re taking a 
risk, since the wind can blow it off altogether, leaving you Baird.

 

Okay, enough piping up, not another peep, but there are so many others, willet 
ever end? 

Rick 

 

From: bounce-122821439-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Philip Ribolow
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:47 AM
To: Pat Martin 
Cc: Larry Trachtenberg ; Peter Reisfeld 
; NYSBIRDS ; Grover,Bob 
; Andrew Baksh ; Steve Walter 

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

 

Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
back upland. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin mailto:emartin...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Knot so fast.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Trachtenberg 
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM 
To: Peter Reisfeld 
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay 

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld mailto:drpi...@yahoo.com> > wrote:

We should leave no turnstone unturned. 

 

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet mailto:sw...@amnh.org> > wrote:

 

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.



Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob < <mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com> 
rgro...@gpinet.com> wrote:

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh < <mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com> 
birdingd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Steve,

 

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced. 

 

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

 

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

 

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

 

Cheers,



"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass





風　Swift as the wind

林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain

 
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frefspace.com%2Fquotes%2FSun_Tzu=01%7C01%7Csweet%40amnh.org%7C9bf27d68d5ba48b4642508d60c6b04f3%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0=9tlJaGcrhj3ot8NYHsNouFFsMVquB8ygthiVM6XjgBA%3D=0>
 Sun Tzu   
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 The Art of War

 

(\__/)
(= '.'=)

(") _ (") 

Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

 

Andrew Baksh

 
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.birdingdude.blogspot.com=01%7C01%7Csweet%40amnh.org%7C9bf27d68d5ba48b4642508d60c6b04f3%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0=rk66yCv6MlAJCgiXDQO55tCUJwwXowO5%2FI150JWqV5g%3D=0>
 www.birdingdude.blogspot.com


On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter < <mailto:swalte...@verizon.net> 
swalte...@verizon.net> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s 

RE: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[rcech]

Yes, All this sniping can get ruff (I suppose it could be courser, but that 
really would be out of order, murre or less anyway). If you take this thing too 
far you could end up Alle alone – solitary – or else get shoved and fall down 
on your Cox’s.

 

In any case, be careful of the changing weather out there on the flats – the 
sun is bright now so you should wear sunscreen to avoid red shanks or swollen, 
thick knees – but in case it gets cold and windy you’ll want to a plover (your 
own or something you’ve Least) – but even then be careful, if it’s very loose 
clothing (i.e., not a windbreaker but a garment you’d Calidris) you’re taking a 
risk, since the wind can blow it off altogether, leaving you Baird.

 

Okay, enough piping up, not another peep, but there are so many others, willet 
ever end? 

Rick 

 

From: bounce-122821439-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Philip Ribolow
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:47 AM
To: Pat Martin 
Cc: Larry Trachtenberg ; Peter Reisfeld 
; NYSBIRDS ; Grover,Bob 
; Andrew Baksh ; Steve Walter 

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

 

Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
back upland. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin mailto:emartin...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Knot so fast.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Trachtenberg 
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM 
To: Peter Reisfeld 
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay 

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld mailto:drpi...@yahoo.com> > wrote:

We should leave no turnstone unturned. 

 

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet mailto:sw...@amnh.org> > wrote:

 

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.



Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob < <mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com> 
rgro...@gpinet.com> wrote:

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh < <mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com> 
birdingd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Steve,

 

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced. 

 

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

 

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

 

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

 

Cheers,



"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass





風　Swift as the wind

林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain

 
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 www.birdingdude.blogspot.com


On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter < <mailto:swalte...@verizon.net> 
swalte...@verizon.net> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Philip Ribolow]

Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
back upland.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin 
mailto:emartin...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Knot so fast.

-Original Message-
From: Larry Trachtenberg
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM
To: Peter Reisfeld
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld 
mailto:drpi...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

We should leave no turnstone unturned.

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet 
mailto:sw...@amnh.org>> wrote:

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced.

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun 
Tzu<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frefspace.com%2Fquotes%2FSun_Tzu=01%7C01%7Csweet%40amnh.org%7C9bf27d68d5ba48b4642508d60c6b04f3%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0=9tlJaGcrhj3ot8NYHsNouFFsMVquB8ygthiVM6XjgBA%3D=0>
  The Art of 
War<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frefspace.com%2Fquotes%2FThe_Art_of_War=01%7C01%7Csweet%40amnh.org%7C9bf27d68d5ba48b4642508d60c6b04f3%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0=EaJvoQEfk%2BTsn2piYDr9ASgubpx9mWsilifZFZtzbdY%3D=0>

(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

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On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter 
mailto:swalte...@verizon.net>> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and 
the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not 
only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. 
And actually, neither species should be so extensively marked this late. The 
bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look 
more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstevewalternature.com%2F=01%7C01%7Csweet%40amnh.org%7C9bf27d68d5ba48b4642508d60c6b04f3%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0=yFKXjNqgTqPAqo7CMy2t09rLKPDvnuVf38aufR%2FWEaU%3D=0>
  under Birds, Recent Work.

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 
fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center 
Saturday.

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Philip Ribolow]

Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
back upland.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin 
mailto:emartin...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Knot so fast.

-Original Message-
From: Larry Trachtenberg
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM
To: Peter Reisfeld
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld 
mailto:drpi...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

We should leave no turnstone unturned.

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet 
mailto:sw...@amnh.org>> wrote:

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced.

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun 
Tzu<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frefspace.com%2Fquotes%2FSun_Tzu=01%7C01%7Csweet%40amnh.org%7C9bf27d68d5ba48b4642508d60c6b04f3%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0=9tlJaGcrhj3ot8NYHsNouFFsMVquB8ygthiVM6XjgBA%3D=0>
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(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

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On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter 
mailto:swalte...@verizon.net>> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and 
the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not 
only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. 
And actually, neither species should be so extensively marked this late. The 
bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look 
more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstevewalternature.com%2F=01%7C01%7Csweet%40amnh.org%7C9bf27d68d5ba48b4642508d60c6b04f3%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0=yFKXjNqgTqPAqo7CMy2t09rLKPDvnuVf38aufR%2FWEaU%3D=0>
  under Birds, Recent Work.

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 
fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center 
Saturday.

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Pat Martin]

Knot so fast.-Original Message-
From: Larry Trachtenberg 
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM
To: Peter Reisfeld 
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay






That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld <drpi...@yahoo.com> wrote:



We should leave no turnstone unturned.




On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet <sw...@amnh.org> wrote:

A
 mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.


Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob <rgro...@gpinet.com> wrote:



Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh <birdingd...@gmail.com> wrote:





Hi Steve,


Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you referenced. 


This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a Western hybrid with a SESA.



I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of just
 a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.


When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide more details.


Cheers,



"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of
 others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass




風　Swift as the wind

林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun
 Tzu  The
 Art of War


(\__/)
(= '.'=)                                            
(") _ (")                                     
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 


Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com


On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter <swalte...@verizon.net> wrote:






I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The
 Shorebird Guide). I was able to relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In simplest
 terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. And actually, neither species
 should be so extensively marked this late. The bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site http://stevewalternature.com/  under
 Birds, Recent Work. 

 

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt
 Sandpiper now starting to appear in the juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center Saturday.

 

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of the pond. There are two deeper puddles
 that reach the phragmites in the southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and adding a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention
 to the bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a Salt Marsh Skipper.

 

 

Steve Walter

Bayside, NY 

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Pat Martin]

Knot so fast.-Original Message-
From: Larry Trachtenberg 
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM
To: Peter Reisfeld 
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay






That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld <drpi...@yahoo.com> wrote:



We should leave no turnstone unturned.




On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet <sw...@amnh.org> wrote:

A
 mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.


Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob <rgro...@gpinet.com> wrote:



Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh <birdingd...@gmail.com> wrote:





Hi Steve,


Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you referenced. 


This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a Western hybrid with a SESA.



I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of just
 a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.


When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide more details.


Cheers,



"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of
 others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass




風　Swift as the wind

林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun
 Tzu  The
 Art of War


(\__/)
(= '.'=)                                            
(") _ (")                                     
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 


Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com


On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter <swalte...@verizon.net> wrote:






I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The
 Shorebird Guide). I was able to relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In simplest
 terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. And actually, neither species
 should be so extensively marked this late. The bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site http://stevewalternature.com/  under
 Birds, Recent Work. 

 

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt
 Sandpiper now starting to appear in the juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center Saturday.

 

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of the pond. There are two deeper puddles
 that reach the phragmites in the southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and adding a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention
 to the bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a Salt Marsh Skipper.

 

 

Steve Walter

Bayside, NY 

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Larry Trachtenberg]

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld 
mailto:drpi...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

We should leave no turnstone unturned.

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet 
mailto:sw...@amnh.org>> wrote:

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced.

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun 
Tzu
  The Art of 
War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter 
mailto:swalte...@verizon.net>> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and 
the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not 
only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. 
And actually, neither species should be so extensively marked this late. The 
bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look 
more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/
  under Birds, Recent Work.

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 
fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center 
Saturday.

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of 
the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and adding 
a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention to the 
bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a Salt Marsh 
Skipper.


Steve Walter
Bayside, NY
--

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Larry Trachtenberg]

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld 
mailto:drpi...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

We should leave no turnstone unturned.

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet 
mailto:sw...@amnh.org>> wrote:

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced.

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun 
Tzu
  The Art of 
War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter 
mailto:swalte...@verizon.net>> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and 
the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not 
only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. 
And actually, neither species should be so extensively marked this late. The 
bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look 
more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/
  under Birds, Recent Work.

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 
fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center 
Saturday.

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of 
the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and adding 
a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention to the 
bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a Salt Marsh 
Skipper.


Steve Walter
Bayside, NY
--

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Paul R Sweet]

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced.

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun 
Tzu
  The Art of 
War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter 
mailto:swalte...@verizon.net>> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and 
the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not 
only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. 
And actually, neither species should be so extensively marked this late. The 
bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look 
more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/
  under Birds, Recent Work.

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 
fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center 
Saturday.

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of 
the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and adding 
a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention to the 
bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a Salt Marsh 
Skipper.


Steve Walter
Bayside, NY
--
NYSbirds-L List Info:
Welcome and 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Paul R Sweet]

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced.

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun 
Tzu
  The Art of 
War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter 
mailto:swalte...@verizon.net>> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and 
the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not 
only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. 
And actually, neither species should be so extensively marked this late. The 
bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look 
more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/
  under Birds, Recent Work.

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 
fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center 
Saturday.

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of 
the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and adding 
a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention to the 
bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a Salt Marsh 
Skipper.


Steve Walter
Bayside, NY
--
NYSbirds-L List Info:
Welcome and 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Mike]

Apologies for including the photos instead of the links- I forgot which group 
and rules I was replying to

Mike Cooper

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:43 PM, Mike  wrote:
> 
> I was more inclined to think that if it’s one or the other,  it might be an 
> oddball Western rather than Semi.  I’ve never seen a Semi with anywhere near 
> the extent of markings on the underparts that this bird shows.  It has well 
> defined chevrons along the flanks and spotting and streaking onto the 
> undertail coverts.  The bill is short, but not particularly blob- tipped. 
> Two photos below from John Gluth and Lisa Nasta showing the bold chevrons and 
> marked UTC
> 
> Mike Cooper
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> Hi Steve,
>>> 
>>> Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately 
>>> take a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I 
>>> have to respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird 
>>> you referenced. 
>>> 
>>> This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
>>> heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of 
>>> a Western hybrid with a SESA.
>>> 
>>> I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated 
>>> Sandpipers in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate 
>>> variation in plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is 
>>> within the range of just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.
>>> 
>>> When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps 
>>> provide more details.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the 
>>> ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own 
>>> abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass
>>> 
>>> 風　Swift as the wind
>>> 林　Quiet as the forest
>>> 火　Conquer like the fire
>>> 山　Steady as the mountain
>>> Sun Tzu  The Art of War
>>> 
 (\__/)
 (= '.'=)
 (") _ (") 
 Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 
>>> 
>>> Andrew Baksh
>>> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
>>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
>>> 
 I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on 
 the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on 
 Saturday and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). 
 I was able to relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it 
 with Kevin. He’s of the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and 
 Semipalmated Sandpipers. In simplest terms, he described it as having the 
 upperparts of a Semipalmated and the underparts of a Western. The bird is 
 extensively marked underneath, not only along the flanks, but on the 
 belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. And actually, neither 
 species should be so extensively marked this late. The bill looks like 
 that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look more typical 
 of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
 http://stevewalternature.com/  under Birds, Recent Work. 
  
 For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
 ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday 
 and 2 fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, 
 many White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear 
 in the juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the 
 visitor center Saturday.
  
 The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
 birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
 places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge 
 of the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
 southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for 
 the Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now 
 and adding a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay  close enough 
 attention to the bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the 
 sight of a Salt Marsh Skipper.
  
  
 Steve Walter
 Bayside, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Mike]

Apologies for including the photos instead of the links- I forgot which group 
and rules I was replying to

Mike Cooper

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:43 PM, Mike  wrote:
> 
> I was more inclined to think that if it’s one or the other,  it might be an 
> oddball Western rather than Semi.  I’ve never seen a Semi with anywhere near 
> the extent of markings on the underparts that this bird shows.  It has well 
> defined chevrons along the flanks and spotting and streaking onto the 
> undertail coverts.  The bill is short, but not particularly blob- tipped. 
> Two photos below from John Gluth and Lisa Nasta showing the bold chevrons and 
> marked UTC
> 
> Mike Cooper
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> Hi Steve,
>>> 
>>> Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately 
>>> take a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I 
>>> have to respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird 
>>> you referenced. 
>>> 
>>> This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
>>> heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of 
>>> a Western hybrid with a SESA.
>>> 
>>> I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated 
>>> Sandpipers in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate 
>>> variation in plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is 
>>> within the range of just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.
>>> 
>>> When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps 
>>> provide more details.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the 
>>> ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own 
>>> abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass
>>> 
>>> 風　Swift as the wind
>>> 林　Quiet as the forest
>>> 火　Conquer like the fire
>>> 山　Steady as the mountain
>>> Sun Tzu  The Art of War
>>> 
 (\__/)
 (= '.'=)
 (") _ (") 
 Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 
>>> 
>>> Andrew Baksh
>>> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
>>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
>>> 
 I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on 
 the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on 
 Saturday and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). 
 I was able to relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it 
 with Kevin. He’s of the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and 
 Semipalmated Sandpipers. In simplest terms, he described it as having the 
 upperparts of a Semipalmated and the underparts of a Western. The bird is 
 extensively marked underneath, not only along the flanks, but on the 
 belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. And actually, neither 
 species should be so extensively marked this late. The bill looks like 
 that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look more typical 
 of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
 http://stevewalternature.com/  under Birds, Recent Work. 
  
 For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
 ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday 
 and 2 fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, 
 many White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear 
 in the juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the 
 visitor center Saturday.
  
 The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
 birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
 places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge 
 of the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
 southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for 
 the Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now 
 and adding a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay  close enough 
 attention to the bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the 
 sight of a Salt Marsh Skipper.
  
  
 Steve Walter
 Bayside, NY
 --
 NYSbirds-L List Info:
 Welcome and Basics
 Rules and Information
 Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
 Archives:
 The Mail Archive
 Surfbirds
 ABA
 Please submit your observations to eBird!
 --
>>> 
>>> --
>>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> Welcome and Basics
>>> Rules and Information
>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>>> Archives:
>>> The Mail Archive
>>> Surfbirds
>>> ABA
>>> Please submit your observations to eBird!
>>> --
>> This communication and any attachments are intended only for the use of the 
>> individual or 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Mike]

I was more inclined to think that if it’s one or the other,  it might be an 
oddball Western rather than Semi.  I’ve never seen a Semi with anywhere near 
the extent of markings on the underparts that this bird shows.  It has well 
defined chevrons along the flanks and spotting and streaking onto the undertail 
coverts.  The bill is short, but not particularly blob- tipped. 
Two photos below from John Gluth and Lisa Nasta showing the bold chevrons and 
marked UTC

Mike Cooper

 


Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> Hi Steve,
>> 
>> Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately 
>> take a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have 
>> to respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
>> referenced. 
>> 
>> This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
>> heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
>> Western hybrid with a SESA.
>> 
>> I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated 
>> Sandpipers in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate 
>> variation in plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is 
>> within the range of just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.
>> 
>> When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps 
>> provide more details.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule 
>> of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ 
>> Frederick Douglass
>> 
>> 風　Swift as the wind
>> 林　Quiet as the forest
>> 火　Conquer like the fire
>> 山　Steady as the mountain
>> Sun Tzu  The Art of War
>> 
>>> (\__/)
>>> (= '.'=)
>>> (") _ (") 
>>> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 
>> 
>> Andrew Baksh
>> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
>> 
>> On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
>> 
>>> I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on 
>>> the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on 
>>> Saturday and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). 
>>> I was able to relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it 
>>> with Kevin. He’s of the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and 
>>> Semipalmated Sandpipers. In simplest terms, he described it as having the 
>>> upperparts of a Semipalmated and the underparts of a Western. The bird is 
>>> extensively marked underneath, not only along the flanks, but on the belly. 
>>> Semipalmated would never be like that. And actually, neither species should 
>>> be so extensively marked this late. The bill looks like that of a 
>>> Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look more typical of a 
>>> Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site http://stevewalternature.com/  
>>> under Birds, Recent Work. 
>>>  
>>> For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
>>> ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday 
>>> and 2 fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, 
>>> many White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in 
>>> the juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the 
>>> visitor center Saturday.
>>>  
>>> The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
>>> birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
>>> places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge 
>>> of the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
>>> southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
>>> Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and 
>>> adding a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention 
>>> to the bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a 
>>> Salt Marsh Skipper.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Steve Walter
>>> Bayside, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Mike]

I was more inclined to think that if it’s one or the other,  it might be an 
oddball Western rather than Semi.  I’ve never seen a Semi with anywhere near 
the extent of markings on the underparts that this bird shows.  It has well 
defined chevrons along the flanks and spotting and streaking onto the undertail 
coverts.  The bill is short, but not particularly blob- tipped. 
Two photos below from John Gluth and Lisa Nasta showing the bold chevrons and 
marked UTC

Mike Cooper

 


Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> Hi Steve,
>> 
>> Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately 
>> take a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have 
>> to respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
>> referenced. 
>> 
>> This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
>> heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
>> Western hybrid with a SESA.
>> 
>> I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated 
>> Sandpipers in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate 
>> variation in plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is 
>> within the range of just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.
>> 
>> When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps 
>> provide more details.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule 
>> of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ 
>> Frederick Douglass
>> 
>> 風　Swift as the wind
>> 林　Quiet as the forest
>> 火　Conquer like the fire
>> 山　Steady as the mountain
>> Sun Tzu  The Art of War
>> 
>>> (\__/)
>>> (= '.'=)
>>> (") _ (") 
>>> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 
>> 
>> Andrew Baksh
>> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
>> 
>> On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
>> 
>>> I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on 
>>> the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on 
>>> Saturday and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). 
>>> I was able to relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it 
>>> with Kevin. He’s of the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and 
>>> Semipalmated Sandpipers. In simplest terms, he described it as having the 
>>> upperparts of a Semipalmated and the underparts of a Western. The bird is 
>>> extensively marked underneath, not only along the flanks, but on the belly. 
>>> Semipalmated would never be like that. And actually, neither species should 
>>> be so extensively marked this late. The bill looks like that of a 
>>> Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look more typical of a 
>>> Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site http://stevewalternature.com/  
>>> under Birds, Recent Work. 
>>>  
>>> For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
>>> ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday 
>>> and 2 fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, 
>>> many White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in 
>>> the juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the 
>>> visitor center Saturday.
>>>  
>>> The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
>>> birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
>>> places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge 
>>> of the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
>>> southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
>>> Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and 
>>> adding a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention 
>>> to the bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a 
>>> Salt Marsh Skipper.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Steve Walter
>>> Bayside, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Grover, Bob]

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced.

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of 
War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter 
mailto:swalte...@verizon.net>> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and 
the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not 
only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. 
And actually, neither species should be so extensively marked this late. The 
bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look 
more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/  under Birds, Recent Work.

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 
fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center 
Saturday.

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of 
the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and adding 
a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention to the 
bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a Salt Marsh 
Skipper.


Steve Walter
Bayside, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Grover, Bob]

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced.

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of 
War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter 
mailto:swalte...@verizon.net>> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and 
the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not 
only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. 
And actually, neither species should be so extensively marked this late. The 
bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look 
more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/  under Birds, Recent Work.

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 
fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center 
Saturday.

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of 
the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and adding 
a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention to the 
bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a Salt Marsh 
Skipper.


Steve Walter
Bayside, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Andrew Baksh]

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced. 

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

> On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
> 
> I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on 
> the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on 
> Saturday and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I 
> was able to relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with 
> Kevin. He’s of the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and 
> Semipalmated Sandpipers. In simplest terms, he described it as having the 
> upperparts of a Semipalmated and the underparts of a Western. The bird is 
> extensively marked underneath, not only along the flanks, but on the belly. 
> Semipalmated would never be like that. And actually, neither species should 
> be so extensively marked this late. The bill looks like that of a 
> Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look more typical of a Western. 
> Pictures can be seen at my web site http://stevewalternature.com/  under 
> Birds, Recent Work. 
>  
> For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
> ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 
> 2 fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
> White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
> juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor 
> center Saturday.
>  
> The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
> birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
> places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of 
> the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
> southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
> Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and 
> adding a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention 
> to the bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a 
> Salt Marsh Skipper.
>  
>  
> Steve Walter
> Bayside, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Andrew Baksh]

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced. 

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

> On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
> 
> I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on 
> the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on 
> Saturday and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I 
> was able to relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with 
> Kevin. He’s of the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and 
> Semipalmated Sandpipers. In simplest terms, he described it as having the 
> upperparts of a Semipalmated and the underparts of a Western. The bird is 
> extensively marked underneath, not only along the flanks, but on the belly. 
> Semipalmated would never be like that. And actually, neither species should 
> be so extensively marked this late. The bill looks like that of a 
> Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look more typical of a Western. 
> Pictures can be seen at my web site http://stevewalternature.com/  under 
> Birds, Recent Work. 
>  
> For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
> ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 
> 2 fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
> White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
> juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor 
> center Saturday.
>  
> The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
> birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
> places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of 
> the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
> southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
> Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and 
> adding a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention 
> to the bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a 
> Salt Marsh Skipper.
>  
>  
> Steve Walter
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Mike]

Just to clarify, this bird was found by birders who were coincidentally at the 
East Pond as part of the Great South Bay Audubon field trip.  It stood out as 
being very different, so they photographed it and, when the crowd thinned out 
enough, pointed it out to the festival folks to get their opinions.  

Mike Cooper 
Ridge, NY
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
> 
> I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on 
> the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on 
> Saturday and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I 
> was able to relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with 
> Kevin. He’s of the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and 
> Semipalmated Sandpipers. In simplest terms, he described it as having the 
> upperparts of a Semipalmated and the underparts of a Western. The bird is 
> extensively marked underneath, not only along the flanks, but on the belly. 
> Semipalmated would never be like that. And actually, neither species should 
> be so extensively marked this late. The bill looks like that of a 
> Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look more typical of a Western. 
> Pictures can be seen at my web site http://stevewalternature.com/  under 
> Birds, Recent Work. 
>  
> For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
> ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 
> 2 fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
> White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
> juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor 
> center Saturday.
>  
> The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
> birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
> places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of 
> the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
> southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
> Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and 
> adding a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention 
> to the bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a 
> Salt Marsh Skipper.
>  
>  
> Steve Walter
> Bayside, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Mike]

Just to clarify, this bird was found by birders who were coincidentally at the 
East Pond as part of the Great South Bay Audubon field trip.  It stood out as 
being very different, so they photographed it and, when the crowd thinned out 
enough, pointed it out to the festival folks to get their opinions.  

Mike Cooper 
Ridge, NY
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
> 
> I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on 
> the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on 
> Saturday and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I 
> was able to relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with 
> Kevin. He’s of the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and 
> Semipalmated Sandpipers. In simplest terms, he described it as having the 
> upperparts of a Semipalmated and the underparts of a Western. The bird is 
> extensively marked underneath, not only along the flanks, but on the belly. 
> Semipalmated would never be like that. And actually, neither species should 
> be so extensively marked this late. The bill looks like that of a 
> Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look more typical of a Western. 
> Pictures can be seen at my web site http://stevewalternature.com/  under 
> Birds, Recent Work. 
>  
> For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
> ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 
> 2 fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
> White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
> juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor 
> center Saturday.
>  
> The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
> birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
> places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of 
> the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
> southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
> Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and 
> adding a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention 
> to the bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a 
> Salt Marsh Skipper.
>  
>  
> Steve Walter
> Bayside, NY
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