Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-15 Thread Joseph DiCostanzo
gt; > From: Shaibal Mitra > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 2:23 PM > To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) > Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island > > Again, nobody is saying we know for sure w

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-15 Thread Joseph DiCostanzo
gt; > From: Shaibal Mitra > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 2:23 PM > To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) > Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island > > Again, nobody is saying we know for sure w

RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-15 Thread Shaibal Mitra
on behalf of Joseph DiCostanzo [jdic...@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 1:31 PM To: Robert Lewis Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island I went to the ABA’s Birding News site that lists RBA’s around the countr

RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-15 Thread Shaibal Mitra
on behalf of Joseph DiCostanzo [jdic...@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 1:31 PM To: Robert Lewis Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island I went to the ABA’s Birding News site that lists RBA’s around the countr

RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-15 Thread Shaibal Mitra
dic...@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 1:31 PM To: Robert Lewis Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island I went to the ABA’s Birding News site that lists RBA’s around the country and did a search for longipennis. F

RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-15 Thread Shaibal Mitra
dic...@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 1:31 PM To: Robert Lewis Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island I went to the ABA’s Birding News site that lists RBA’s around the country and did a search for longipennis. F

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-15 Thread Joseph DiCostanzo
ered. > > Brian Patteson recently saw a Tahiti Petrel off of Hatteras! > > Shai Mitra > Bay Shore > > > > From: bounce-122637763-11143...@list.cornell.edu > [bounce-122637763-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-15 Thread Joseph DiCostanzo
ered. > > Brian Patteson recently saw a Tahiti Petrel off of Hatteras! > > Shai Mitra > Bay Shore > > > > From: bounce-122637763-11143...@list.cornell.edu > [bounce-122637763-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of

Re: RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-15 Thread Robert Lewis
on behalf of Joseph DiCostanzo [jdic...@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 9:08 AM To: Robert Lewis Cc: nysbirds-l Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island Bob, Molt, (and I am including change in soft part colors such as bill and leg color under the

Re: RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-15 Thread Robert Lewis
on behalf of Joseph DiCostanzo [jdic...@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 9:08 AM To: Robert Lewis Cc: nysbirds-l Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island Bob, Molt, (and I am including change in soft part colors such as bill and leg color under the

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-15 Thread Pepaul
For anyone interested in simply seeing a bird of this type, there is currently one on the beach at Nickerson. Also present are at least 4 Roseate Terns, and many young Common Terns. > On Jun 14, 2018, at 20:51, Joseph DiCostanzo wrote: > > I just wanted to add some information to my comments

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-15 Thread Pepaul
For anyone interested in simply seeing a bird of this type, there is currently one on the beach at Nickerson. Also present are at least 4 Roseate Terns, and many young Common Terns. > On Jun 14, 2018, at 20:51, Joseph DiCostanzo wrote: > > I just wanted to add some information to my comments

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-14 Thread Joseph DiCostanzo
I just wanted to add some information to my comments about variation in individuals. I looked at data from Common Terns trapped on Great Gull Island in the summer of 2017. We have weights on 918 individuals. The weights ranged from 99.1 grams to 158.9 grams. That means at the extremes, the

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-14 Thread Joseph DiCostanzo
I just wanted to add some information to my comments about variation in individuals. I looked at data from Common Terns trapped on Great Gull Island in the summer of 2017. We have weights on 918 individuals. The weights ranged from 99.1 grams to 158.9 grams. That means at the extremes, the

RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-14 Thread Grover, Bob
On Behalf Of Joseph DiCostanzo Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 11:35 AM To: Shaibal Mitra Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island Shai, I certainly did not intend to “categorically dismiss” any line of evidence. And I

RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-14 Thread Grover, Bob
On Behalf Of Joseph DiCostanzo Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 11:35 AM To: Shaibal Mitra Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island Shai, I certainly did not intend to “categorically dismiss” any line of evidence. And I

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-14 Thread Joseph DiCostanzo
__ > From: bounce-122637763-11143...@list.cornell.edu > [bounce-122637763-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Joseph DiCostanzo > [jdic...@nyc.rr.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 9:08 AM > To: Robert Lewis > Cc: nysbirds-l > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l]

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-14 Thread Joseph DiCostanzo
__ > From: bounce-122637763-11143...@list.cornell.edu > [bounce-122637763-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Joseph DiCostanzo > [jdic...@nyc.rr.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 9:08 AM > To: Robert Lewis > Cc: nysbirds-l > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l]

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-14 Thread Joseph DiCostanzo
Bob, I am not saying a Siberian longipennis race Common Tern is a total impossibility here in the east. Among shorebirds, many of us saw the Broad-billed Sandpiper at Jamaica Bay years ago and there are multiple records of Sharp-tailed Sandpipers in the northeast. I am saying that an aberrant

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-14 Thread Joseph DiCostanzo
Bob, I am not saying a Siberian longipennis race Common Tern is a total impossibility here in the east. Among shorebirds, many of us saw the Broad-billed Sandpiper at Jamaica Bay years ago and there are multiple records of Sharp-tailed Sandpipers in the northeast. I am saying that an aberrant

RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-14 Thread Shaibal Mitra
7763-11143...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-122637763-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Joseph DiCostanzo [jdic...@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 9:08 AM To: Robert Lewis Cc: nysbirds-l Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island Bob, Molt, (and I am includ

RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-14 Thread Shaibal Mitra
7763-11143...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-122637763-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Joseph DiCostanzo [jdic...@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 9:08 AM To: Robert Lewis Cc: nysbirds-l Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island Bob, Molt, (and I am includ

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-14 Thread Robert Lewis
Thanks for the thorough reply.   As a long time student of gulls, I am aware of the concepts you delineated about timing and odd individuals that don't fit the norms.  As for how did it (they) get here, stranger things have happened, namely the Gray-hooded gull of a few years back. 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-14 Thread Robert Lewis
Thanks for the thorough reply.   As a long time student of gulls, I am aware of the concepts you delineated about timing and odd individuals that don't fit the norms.  As for how did it (they) get here, stranger things have happened, namely the Gray-hooded gull of a few years back. 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-14 Thread Joseph DiCostanzo
Bob, Molt, (and I am including change in soft part colors such as bill and leg color under the term “molt”) is hormonally controlled. There is also considerable variation between individuals in the timing of molt. The timing and sequence of molt is no where as neat and fixed as many references

Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark billed, dark legged Common Terns on Long Island

2018-06-14 Thread Joseph DiCostanzo
Bob, Molt, (and I am including change in soft part colors such as bill and leg color under the term “molt”) is hormonally controlled. There is also considerable variation between individuals in the timing of molt. The timing and sequence of molt is no where as neat and fixed as many references