Re: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach
Hi Redknot, I sent you an email to your email address alone but apparently, you didn't receive it. It might have gone to your spam folder. You seem to only get the email that goes through this list. In my response to your question if it is possible to put signs and ropes, I say: Yes. It can be done. I saw a tent just above the wall and a man was walking at the edge of the cliff, just few feet above the nests. If a tent can be erected there, signs and roping also can be done. Anyway, this is my last email about this subject on the list. I am happy to continue discussion privately. Feel free to send me an email to you email address. Gus Keri On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:28:25 -0400 Gus Keri wrote --- > Yes. It can be done. yesterday, I saw a tent just above the wall and a man > was walking at the edge of the cliff, just few feet above the nests. If a > tent can be erected there, signs and roping also can be done. > > On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:22:05 -0400wrote --- > > Gus: Thank you for sharing some good news! Do you think that signs and > > roping could be put on top to prevent humans from compressing the > > nesting chambers? > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 1:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach > > > > Great news! > > After I saw the photo of the nestling taken by another birder 3 days > > ago (I am sorry for not mentioning his/her name. I don't know if he/she > > wants the publicity), I had to go and check on the fate of this nestling > > and the nest. > > > > The moment I arrived, I noticed that the nest that was half occluded > > yesterday is wide open today. It made me happy to see that the swallow > > re-opened it. Looking inside, I could see the chick is alive and well. > > > > Few minutes later, an adult came and fed the chick and I recorded the > > feeding act on video. You can see it here: > > > > https://twitter.com/BirdBrklyn/status/1548720277110005762 > > > > To the best of my knowledge, this is the first ever Bank Swallow > > offspring that was born in Brooklyn. If this is inaccurate, please, let > > me know. > > > > The fact that this nest is wide open proved to me again that no bird > > will ever abandon its chicks permanently. They might abandon them for a > > short period of time when there is a danger around, but they always come > > back to care for them after the danger goes away. At least this is my > > experience with all the nests I have followed over the years. > > > > This Swallow couldn't let its chick be buried alive. > > > > As for the other nests, they are still occluded. Two of them totally > > occluded and the third is half occluded. My thinking that there are no > > living chicks inside. The swallows probably abandoned their eggs, and > > they might try laying eggs in another burrow, like Jose suggested. > > > > Good birding to all > > Gus Keri > > > > > > > > On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 15:30:59 -0400 Jose Ramirez-Garofalo > > wrote --- > >> > >> Gus, > >> > >> Unfortunately, that is a common occurrence with Bank Swallow > > colonies on the coast. There is really no way to adequately protect the > > nests unless the land management agency fences off the top of the > > dune/bluff. Disturbance to the front of the colony site can also a > > problem at a site like Plumb—though less-so than actual nest collapse. > > Since they aren’t protected (not even as a Species of Special Concern > > despite their widespread declines in NYS/the northeast), it isn’t likely > > that targeted measures will be undertaken for the swallows there. > >> > >> The good news is that they are adept at re-nesting, and will > > sometimes nest in drainpipes like Northern Rough-winged Swallows. We are > > pretty late in the season for them, but it isn’t out of the question. > >> > >> Cheers- > >> José > >> > >> -- > >> José R. Ramírez-Garofalo > >> Pronouns: He/Him/His > >> PhD Student > >> Department of Ecology, Evolution, and Natural Resources > >> Rutgers University > >> 14 College Farm Road, > >> New Brunswick, New Jersey 08901 > >> > >> > >> From: Gus Keri > >> Date: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 12:52 PM > >> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach > >> To: Birding alert, NYSBirds, Birding alert > >> > >> > >> Updates on these nests: > >> Today, the third nest was totally occluded and the fourth one is > > half-occluded, and I anticipate it to be gone by the end of the day. > >> The
Re: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach
I didn't mean to discourage you. I support any effort to try to help these unfortunate Swallows. As I said, putting signs and ropes are very doable. The top of the wall can be accessed very easily. People walk over the dunes all the time. Gus On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 18:50:14 -0400wrote --- > I think most would if they know their actions could put birds and baby > birds in jeopardy. We can carry this discussion further off-line if > you'd like. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach > > The question is: will people obey the signs? > > > On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:27:49 -0400 Jose Ramirez-Garofalo > wrote --- >> Unfortunately, not likely, We have tried this on Staten Island. >> Get Outlook for iOS >> From: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 4:22:05 PM >> To: Gus Keri ; Jose Ramirez-Garofalo > > > Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb > Beach Gus: Thank you for sharing some good news! Do you think that signs > and >> roping could be put on top to prevent humans from compressing the >> nesting chambers? >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 1:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb > Beach >> >> Great news! >> After I saw the photo of the nestling taken by another birder 3 > days >> ago (I am sorry for not mentioning his/her name. I don't know if > he/she >> wants the publicity), I had to go and check on the fate of this > nestling >> and the nest. >> >> The moment I arrived, I noticed that the nest that was half > occluded >> yesterday is wide open today. It made me happy to see that the > swallow >> re-opened it. Looking inside, I could see the chick is alive and > well. >> >> Few minutes later, an adult came and fed the chick and I recorded > the >> feeding act on video. You can see it here: >> >> > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FBirdBrklyn%2Fstatus%2F1548720277110005762&data=05%7C01%7Cjose.ramirez.garofalo%40rutgers.edu%7C29a42e35f16f450a9df908da683206b8%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C637936861918479676%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zLp34JGJdJAXzsLv1Ia4smEFqZULgsnqybbERmabTZ0%3D&reserved=0 >> >> To the best of my knowledge, this is the first ever Bank Swallow >> offspring that was born in Brooklyn. If this is inaccurate, please, > let >> me know. >> >> The fact that this nest is wide open proved to me again that no > bird >> will ever abandon its chicks permanently. They might abandon them > for a >> short period of time when there is a danger around, but they always > come >> back to care for them after the danger goes away. At least this is > my >> experience with all the nests I have followed over the years. >> >> This Swallow couldn't let its chick be buried alive. >> >> As for the other nests, they are still occluded. Two of them > totally >> occluded and the third is half occluded. My thinking that there are > no >> living chicks inside. The swallows probably abandoned their eggs, > and >> they might try laying eggs in another burrow, like Jose suggested. >> >> Good birding to all >> Gus Keri >> >> >> >> On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 15:30:59 -0400 Jose Ramirez-Garofalo >> wrote --- >>> >>> Gus, >>> >>> Unfortunately, that is a common occurrence with Bank Swallow >> colonies on the coast. There is really no way to adequately protect > the >> nests unless the land management agency fences off the top of the >> dune/bluff. Disturbance to the front of the colony site can also a >>
Re: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach
I think most would if they know their actions could put birds and baby birds in jeopardy. We can carry this discussion further off-line if you'd like. -- Original Message -- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach The question is: will people obey the signs? On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:27:49 -0400 Jose Ramirez-Garofalo wrote --- > Unfortunately, not likely, We have tried this on Staten Island. > Get Outlook for iOS > From: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 4:22:05 PM > To: Gus Keri ; Jose Ramirez-Garofalo > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach Gus: Thank you for sharing some good news! Do you think that signs and > roping could be put on top to prevent humans from compressing the > nesting chambers? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 1:46 PM > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach > > Great news! > After I saw the photo of the nestling taken by another birder 3 days > ago (I am sorry for not mentioning his/her name. I don't know if he/she > wants the publicity), I had to go and check on the fate of this nestling > and the nest. > > The moment I arrived, I noticed that the nest that was half occluded > yesterday is wide open today. It made me happy to see that the swallow > re-opened it. Looking inside, I could see the chick is alive and well. > > Few minutes later, an adult came and fed the chick and I recorded the > feeding act on video. You can see it here: > > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FBirdBrklyn%2Fstatus%2F1548720277110005762&data=05%7C01%7Cjose.ramirez.garofalo%40rutgers.edu%7C29a42e35f16f450a9df908da683206b8%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C637936861918479676%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zLp34JGJdJAXzsLv1Ia4smEFqZULgsnqybbERmabTZ0%3D&reserved=0 > > To the best of my knowledge, this is the first ever Bank Swallow > offspring that was born in Brooklyn. If this is inaccurate, please, let > me know. > > The fact that this nest is wide open proved to me again that no bird > will ever abandon its chicks permanently. They might abandon them for a > short period of time when there is a danger around, but they always come > back to care for them after the danger goes away. At least this is my > experience with all the nests I have followed over the years. > > This Swallow couldn't let its chick be buried alive. > > As for the other nests, they are still occluded. Two of them totally > occluded and the third is half occluded. My thinking that there are no > living chicks inside. The swallows probably abandoned their eggs, and > they might try laying eggs in another burrow, like Jose suggested. > > Good birding to all > Gus Keri > > > > On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 15:30:59 -0400 Jose Ramirez-Garofalo > wrote --- >> >> Gus, >> >> Unfortunately, that is a common occurrence with Bank Swallow > colonies on the coast. There is really no way to adequately protect the > nests unless the land management agency fences off the top of the > dune/bluff. Disturbance to the front of the colony site can also a > problem at a site like Plumb—though less-so than actual nest collapse. > Since they aren’t protected (not even as a Species of Special Concern > despite their widespread declines in NYS/the northeast), it isn’t likely > that targeted measures will be undertaken for the swallows there. >> >> The good news is that they are adept at re-nesting, and will > sometimes nest in drainpipes like Northern Rough-winged Swallows. We are > pretty late in the season for them, but it isn’t out of the question. >> >> Cheers- >> José >> >> -- >> José R. Ramírez-Garofalo >> Pronouns: He/Him/His >> PhD Student >> Department of Ecology, Evolution, and Natural Resources >> Rutgers University >> 14 College Farm Road, >> Ne
Re: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach
Gus: Thank you for sharing some good news! Do you think that signs and roping could be put on top to prevent humans from compressing the nesting chambers? -- Original Message -- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach Great news! After I saw the photo of the nestling taken by another birder 3 days ago (I am sorry for not mentioning his/her name. I don't know if he/she wants the publicity), I had to go and check on the fate of this nestling and the nest. The moment I arrived, I noticed that the nest that was half occluded yesterday is wide open today. It made me happy to see that the swallow re-opened it. Looking inside, I could see the chick is alive and well. Few minutes later, an adult came and fed the chick and I recorded the feeding act on video. You can see it here: https://twitter.com/BirdBrklyn/status/1548720277110005762 To the best of my knowledge, this is the first ever Bank Swallow offspring that was born in Brooklyn. If this is inaccurate, please, let me know. The fact that this nest is wide open proved to me again that no bird will ever abandon its chicks permanently. They might abandon them for a short period of time when there is a danger around, but they always come back to care for them after the danger goes away. At least this is my experience with all the nests I have followed over the years. This Swallow couldn't let its chick be buried alive. As for the other nests, they are still occluded. Two of them totally occluded and the third is half occluded. My thinking that there are no living chicks inside. The swallows probably abandoned their eggs, and they might try laying eggs in another burrow, like Jose suggested. Good birding to all Gus Keri On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 15:30:59 -0400 Jose Ramirez-Garofalo wrote --- > > Gus, > > Unfortunately, that is a common occurrence with Bank Swallow colonies on the coast. There is really no way to adequately protect the nests unless the land management agency fences off the top of the dune/bluff. Disturbance to the front of the colony site can also a problem at a site like Plumb—though less-so than actual nest collapse. Since they aren’t protected (not even as a Species of Special Concern despite their widespread declines in NYS/the northeast), it isn’t likely that targeted measures will be undertaken for the swallows there. > > The good news is that they are adept at re-nesting, and will sometimes nest in drainpipes like Northern Rough-winged Swallows. We are pretty late in the season for them, but it isn’t out of the question. > > Cheers- > José > > -- > José R. Ramírez-Garofalo > Pronouns: He/Him/His > PhD Student > Department of Ecology, Evolution, and Natural Resources > Rutgers University > 14 College Farm Road, > New Brunswick, New Jersey 08901 > > > From: Gus Keri > Date: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 12:52 PM > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach > To: Birding alert, NYSBirds, Birding alert > > > Updates on these nests: > Today, the third nest was totally occluded and the fourth one is half-occluded, and I anticipate it to be gone by the end of the day. > The reason: people are camping on the top of the cliff exactly above the nesting wall. > It is very sad that the first ever Bank Swallow nesting in Brooklyn will not be successful this year and we won't have any new generation of this species here. > Gus Keri. > > Forwarded message > From: Gus Keri > To: "Birding alert, NYSBirds, Birding alert" > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 20:35:40 -0400 > Subject: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach > Forwarded message > > > As some of you know there are few nest holes in Plumb beach for Bank Swallow this season and this happened here for the first time ever, as far as I know. > > For the last couple of weeks, there were total 4 holes in a small sandy wall that span some 10-15 feet high and 15-20 feet wide. I only saw the swallows go into three of these holes. > > Today, I saw only two open holes while the other two were completely occluded with sand. > > > > I remember at the beginning that two or three other holes closed completely with sand, but this was before they started nesting. > > At that time, I thought they make few nests and then choose one or two of them to be used. > > > > But this time the issue is different. I have seen a swallow go into one of the two closed nests few times which made the possibility of nesting bird inside very high. And this made me think; what if there was a female sitting on the eggs when the hole collapse! Can she make her way out? Are these
