Re: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room

[Steve Hawken]

Often its not a technical issue of delivering the service, but an LFC rule that 
an ONT provides services to a single customer only.
You may need the company that ordered the original service to request the 
secondary service on your behalf.

Additional ONT install costs should be low, most LFCs install two fibres 
strands to the first ONT.

Cheers,
Steve


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> On 9/08/2017, at 4:43 PM, Paul Adshead  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys.  A shared server room has an active UFB service for another business 
> on the floor.  We want UFB service to our office too.
> 
> Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by )? Or, can 
> Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a 
> network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of 
> multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware?
> Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say yes 
> to the second ONT install)?
> 
> Many thanks,
> Paul Adshead.
> 021890258
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Re: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room

[Don Stokes]

To add to Brent's note, since the pricing for secondary service is 
different, there's a process to follow when the primary service goes 
away and a secondary service needs to be promoted to primary. That 
process is, uh, less seamless than it could be, leaving the secondary 
provider with the possibility of having the service pulled from under 
them if they fail to react.


Even if it is handled cleanly, the cost price changes, which means that 
the ISP either has to go back to the customer with a price change, wear 
the increase in price, or have priced the service in as if it was a 
primary service in the first place, and been pocketing the difference.


When you're trying to prevent surprises, keep configurations simple, and 
unnecessary customer interactions to a minimum, that could well be a 
situation ISPs would want to just avoid despite the cost advantage of 
using secondary services.


-- don


On 08/10/2017 08:30 AM, Brent Marquis wrote:


It depends a lot on which products an RSP has “on-boarded” for with 
Chorus.


Subsequent services on the same ONT are called “Secondary Services” 
they have a different pricing construct, and sometimes, different 
features.


You can check out the secondary service options in the NGA technical 
guide here:


https://sp.chorus.co.nz/chorus/files/files/NGA%20technical%20user%20guide%20September%202015.pdf

Happy to help describe this further, give me a shout off-list.

Cheers,
Brent

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[mailto:nznog-boun...@list.waikato.ac.nz] *On Behalf Of *Tim Price

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<nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz>

*Subject:* Re: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room

Depends on combination on RSP policy.  Chorus say that secondary 
services are limited, ie if primary service on ONT is 100/100M then 
secondary service will be 100/50M (Not sure if this is a scaled rule 
or a hard rule).


Some RSPs don’t accept this and will chose to install second ONT to 
get primary service specs.


*From: *<nznog-boun...@list.waikato.ac.nz 
<mailto:nznog-boun...@list.waikato.ac.nz>> on behalf of Paul Adshead 
<paul.adsh...@gmail.com <mailto:paul.adsh...@gmail.com>>

*Date: *Tuesday, 8 August 2017 at 9:43 PM
*To: *nznog <nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz>>
*Subject: *[nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room

Hi guys.  A shared server room has an active UFB service for another 
business on the floor.  We want UFB service to our office too.


Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by )? Or, 
can Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and 
then run a network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT 
capable of multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware?
Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie 
say yes to the second ONT install)?


Many thanks,
Paul Adshead.
021890258

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Re: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room

[Jesse Archer]

Apparently.

UFF have a practice of mixing product families on the same ONT.


Jesse

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 at 5:37 PM, Matthew Harrison @ PrimoWireless <
matt...@staff.primowireless.co.nz> wrote:

> Don’t forget bitstream 2/3 or 4 cannot be mixed on the same ONT, bitstream
> 4 requires an ONU.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
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> *From: *<nznog-boun...@list.waikato.ac.nz> on behalf of Joel Wirāmu
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> *Date: *Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 5:32 PM
> *To: *Paul Adshead <paul.adsh...@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *nznog <nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz>
> *Subject: *Re: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room
>
>
>
> UFB is designed so that individual services from competing RSP's can be
> enabled on individual ONT ports.
>
> So the answer is absolutely yes.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9 August 2017 at 16:43, Paul Adshead <paul.adsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi guys.  A shared server room has an active UFB service for another
> business on the floor.  We want UFB service to our office too.
>
> Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by )? Or, can
> Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a
> network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of
> multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware?
> Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say
> yes to the second ONT install)?
>
> Many thanks,
> Paul Adshead.
> 021890258 <021%20890%20258>
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Re: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room

[Joel Wirāmu Pauling]

This is counter to the TCF Spec and design of the UFB service was intended
to do. least for the LSP's in which the original Alcatel-Lucent ONT is used
this should never be an issue.

The original gen1 ONT was extensively tested with disparate 300/300mbit
services run in parallel on each of the Customer facing RJ45 service ports
with a shared 2.5Gbit Optical upstream.

I am interested to know which RSP's and in what region you have seen them
request a second ONT for a new Service.

On 9 August 2017 at 17:14, Tim Price <t...@initech.co.nz> wrote:

> Depends on combination on RSP policy.  Chorus say that secondary services
> are limited, ie if primary service on ONT is 100/100M then secondary
> service will be 100/50M (Not sure if this is a scaled rule or a hard rule).
>
> Some RSPs don’t accept this and will chose to install second ONT to get
> primary service specs.
>
>
>
> *From: *<nznog-boun...@list.waikato.ac.nz> on behalf of Paul Adshead <
> paul.adsh...@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, 8 August 2017 at 9:43 PM
> *To: *nznog <nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz>
> *Subject: *[nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room
>
>
>
> Hi guys.  A shared server room has an active UFB service for another
> business on the floor.  We want UFB service to our office too.
>
> Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by )? Or, can
> Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a
> network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of
> multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware?
> Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say
> yes to the second ONT install)?
>
> Many thanks,
> Paul Adshead.
> 021890258 <021%20890%20258>
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Re: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room

[Matthew Harrison @ PrimoWireless]

Don’t forget bitstream 2/3 or 4 cannot be mixed on the same ONT, bitstream 4 
requires an ONU.

Kind regards,

Matthew Harrison
The Top Dog / Managing Director
PrimoWireless Ltd | 0800 123 774


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Date: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 5:32 PM
To: Paul Adshead <paul.adsh...@gmail.com>
Cc: nznog <nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz>
Subject: Re: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room

UFB is designed so that individual services from competing RSP's can be enabled 
on individual ONT ports.
So the answer is absolutely yes.


On 9 August 2017 at 16:43, Paul Adshead 
<paul.adsh...@gmail.com<mailto:paul.adsh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi guys.  A shared server room has an active UFB service for another business 
on the floor.  We want UFB service to our office too.

Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by )? Or, can 
Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a 
network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of multiple 
PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware?
Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say yes to 
the second ONT install)?

Many thanks,
Paul Adshead.
021890258<tel:021%20890%20258>

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Re: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room

[Joel Wirāmu Pauling]

UFB is designed so that individual services from competing RSP's can be
enabled on individual ONT ports.

So the answer is absolutely yes.



On 9 August 2017 at 16:43, Paul Adshead  wrote:

> Hi guys.  A shared server room has an active UFB service for another
> business on the floor.  We want UFB service to our office too.
>
> Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by )? Or, can
> Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a
> network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of
> multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware?
> Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say
> yes to the second ONT install)?
>
> Many thanks,
> Paul Adshead.
> 021890258 <021%20890%20258>
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Re: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room

[Tim Price]

Depends on combination on RSP policy.  Chorus say that secondary services are 
limited, ie if primary service on ONT is 100/100M then secondary service will 
be 100/50M (Not sure if this is a scaled rule or a hard rule).

Some RSPs don’t accept this and will chose to install second ONT to get primary 
service specs.

 

From: <nznog-boun...@list.waikato.ac.nz> on behalf of Paul Adshead 
<paul.adsh...@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 at 9:43 PM
To: nznog <nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz>
Subject: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room

 

Hi guys.  A shared server room has an active UFB service for another business 
on the floor.  We want UFB service to our office too.

Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by )? Or, can 
Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a 
network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of multiple 
PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware?
Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say yes to 
the second ONT install)?

Many thanks,
Paul Adshead.
021890258

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[nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room

[Paul Adshead]

Hi guys.  A shared server room has an active UFB service for another
business on the floor.  We want UFB service to our office too.

Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by )? Or, can
Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a
network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of
multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware?
Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say yes
to the second ONT install)?

Many thanks,
Paul Adshead.
021890258
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