[oauth] Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Arnott
Deep in another OpeNID thread I suggested part of this idea, but I've expanded on that idea in my head and think it deserves its own thread besides to *get some feedback from you*. First the problems: - Email verification is a step many web sites have to take the user through in order to

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Arnott
One more benefit of this system: The RP has no idea who you are (unless you tell it by other means). It can push messages to the user by POSTing to an SP's URL that is the same for all users, and the SP only knows which user is the recipient by the OAuth token. Thus, the RP cannot correlate

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread George Fletcher
Comments inline... Andrew Arnott wrote: Deep in another OpeNID thread I suggested part of this idea, but I've expanded on that idea in my head and think it deserves its own thread besides to *get some feedback from you*. First the problems: * Email verification is a step many web

[oauth] How should a token_secret be used when signing with RSA-SHA1?

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Arnott
I have a working OAuth consumer against Google's SP when using HMAC-SHA1, but when I switch to RSA-SHA1, all requests still work until I request access to a protected resource using the access token. It's probably how I'm signing the message with the private key in the x509 certificate. I don't

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Arnott
That depends, Paul. Yes, it certainly means that multiple RPs can't correlate a user's activities. But if I visit the site once, establish a relationship and then terminate it by revoking my OAuth token, and then visit that site again and re-establish its ability to contact me, a new OAuth token

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Arnott
Hi Allen, Thanks. Incidentally, the grief I have with Facebook is that I have to visit Facebook in order to pick up my mail which may just be a poke or prod. *grumble* But yes, I'd like to see us provide a general solution. And my personal queuing SP of choice would likely be one that sends

[oauth] Re: How should a token_secret be used when signing with RSA-SHA1?

2009-04-06 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
Yep, not used. http://oauth.googlecode.com/svn/spec/core/unofficial/1.0ec/drafts/1/spec.html#anchor10 EHL On 4/6/09 8:02 PM, Andrew Arnott andrewarn...@gmail.com wrote: I have a working OAuth consumer against Google's SP when using HMAC-SHA1, but when I switch to RSA-SHA1, all requests still

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Arnott
True. This is a model I thought of a while back, when some credit cards started generating one-time-use credit card numbers for use when shopping online. I think this has a much higher chance of working for people, although it doesn't at all solve the problem of RP's needing to send the user

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread Allen Tom
Currently, Google OpenID users can be exempted from Email verification when the Google OP returns an @gmail.com address, because the Google OP will only return the @gmail.com address that is tied to the Google Account. If we generalize this, if the RP trusts the user's email provider to always

[oauth] Re: How should a token_secret be used when signing with RSA-SHA1?

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Arnott
Thanks, Eran. Then obviously my first three requests are being signed correctly since Google is accepting them (and tampering with the signature causes Google to reject them), but when I actually try to pull the Gmail address book, which works when using HMAC-SHA1, I'm getting a 401 with only