Re: [OpenID] [oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-08 Thread Martin Atkins
Terrell Russell wrote: > On 4/8/09 12:33 AM, Martin Atkins wrote: >> And with all that said, I would love to see a mechanism for my OpenID >> provider to accept messages on my behalf. Years ago I specced out a >> protocol simply called "Send a Message Protocol" which was intended to >> solve this

Re: [OpenID] [oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-08 Thread Terrell Russell
On 4/8/09 12:33 AM, Martin Atkins wrote: > And with all that said, I would love to see a mechanism for my OpenID > provider to accept messages on my behalf. Years ago I specced out a > protocol simply called "Send a Message Protocol" which was intended to > solve this problem, but it was never mig

Re: [OpenID] [oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-07 Thread Martin Atkins
Breno de Medeiros wrote: > Clearly, because of spam and other security issues, RPs cannot accept > email claims from any OP. The fact that the domain name and email > address match is not sufficient because it is often the case that an > email domain and an HTTP domain do not match. It is also too

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-07 Thread John Panzer
A temporary email address is probably more immediately deployable. However, if there's interest, providing a POST endpoint to send something like an Atom Entry to, guarded by OAuth via the Authorization: header, is pretty well understood standards-based technology with libraries already written. I

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-07 Thread Paul Madsen
because the RP would still have a whitelist . I see Allen's example as a specific case of 'for a given trusted OP, I am more willing to trust attribute X than Y'. In his case its because the asserted email address matched the OP's domain But the RP still has to start with 'trusting' th

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-07 Thread Andrew Arnott
Allen, It sounds like you're proposing that an RP trust the email claim from an OP if the domain of the OP and the domain of the email match. Is that right? If so, what's to stop me from setting my myrogueOP.com, and asserting an email claim for myinvalidem...@myrogueop.com and getting into web s

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread Allen Tom
Currently, Google OpenID users can be exempted from Email verification when the Google OP returns an @gmail.com address, because the Google OP will only return the @gmail.com address that is tied to the Google Account. If we generalize this, if the RP trusts the user's email provider to always

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Arnott
True. This is a model I thought of a while back, when some credit cards started generating one-time-use credit card numbers for use when shopping online. I think this has a much higher chance of working for people, although it doesn't at all solve the problem of RP's needing to send the user throu

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread Allen Tom
Andrew Arnott wrote: > > Thanks. Incidentally, the grief I have with Facebook is that I have > to visit Facebook in order to pick up my "mail" which may just be a > poke or prod. *grumble* But yes, I'd like to see us provide a > general solution. And my personal queuing SP of choice would l

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Arnott
Hi Allen, Thanks. Incidentally, the grief I have with Facebook is that I have to visit Facebook in order to pick up my "mail" which may just be a poke or prod. *grumble* But yes, I'd like to see us provide a general solution. And my personal queuing SP of choice would likely be one that sends c

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Arnott
That depends, Paul. Yes, it certainly means that multiple RPs can't correlate a user's activities. But if I visit the site once, establish a relationship and then terminate it by revoking my OAuth token, and then visit that site again and re-establish its ability to contact me, a new OAuth token

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread Paul Madsen
Andrew, I assume you mean that with this model multiple RPs can't correlate the user's activities (or at least not trivially), and not that a single RP can't correlate the user's activities (over time)? paul Andrew Arnott wrote: > One more benefit of this system: > The RP has no idea who you a

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread Allen Tom
Hi Andrew, I really like the idea of an OAuth protected messaging service that protects the user's inbox from spam, and allows users to selectively authorize (and revoke) permission for 3rd parties to send messages to them. This is exactly why Facebook messaging is free of spam. As George has

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread George Fletcher
Comments inline... Andrew Arnott wrote: > Deep in another OpeNID thread I suggested part of this idea, but I've > expanded on that idea in my head and think it deserves its own thread > besides to *get some feedback from you*. > > First the problems: > > * Email verification is a step many

[oauth] Re: Replacing email verification with RSS 'push' feeds and OAuth

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Arnott
One more benefit of this system: The RP has no idea who you are (unless you tell it by other means). It can push messages to the user by POSTing to an SP's URL that is the same for all users, and the SP only knows which user is the recipient by the OAuth token. Thus, the RP cannot correlate users