Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth WG Re-Chartering

2012-03-22 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
Hi John, I don't think dynamic registration completely removes the need for a public client, that can't keep secrets. I don't get this argument. In my opinion, there are two use cases, which currently motivate usage of public clients and none of them is about keeping secrets. 1) native

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth WG Re-Chartering

2012-03-22 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
Hi George, I see two distinct areas of interoperability, which are Client-AS and AS-RS. Dynamic client registration belongs to Client-AS whereas JWT AS-RS communication belong to the later area. OAuth 2.0 currently (not fully) covers Client-AS and does not address AS-RS. In my opinion,

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth WG Re-Chartering

2012-03-22 Thread John Bradley
In Connect's dynamic client authentication we optionally allow for authenticated clients to register. The idea is that you can have a master token pre provisioned in an app and then use that to get an individual client ID and client secret for a native app on a per instance basis. This is

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth WG Re-Chartering

2012-03-22 Thread George Fletcher
Hi Torsten, I guess I worry that trying to solve all the use cases that get pulled in with dynamic client registration will take a long time. I've been involved with both the UMA work and the OpenID Connect work regarding dynamic client registration and some reasonable constraints and

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth WG Re-Chartering

2012-03-22 Thread Mike Jones
FYI, the OpenID Connect dynamic client registration spec is at http://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-registration-1_0.html. You can find points to all the Connect specs at http://openid.net/connect/. -- Mike From:

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth WG Re-Chartering

2012-03-22 Thread Phil Hunt
Would the plan be for the Connect Registration spec to be submitted to IETF so they can become WG drafts? The spec seems like a good starting point. Phil @independentid www.independentid.com phil.h...@oracle.com On 2012-03-22, at 8:34 AM, Mike Jones wrote: FYI, the OpenID Connect

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth WG Re-Chartering

2012-03-22 Thread Eran Hammer
I really like the 5 items limit. If people are uncomfortable about leaving so many items off the charter, the charter can have an explicit line item for further charter review once all work has been completed. This is the default process anyway, but people here tend to be over sensitive, you

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth WG Re-Chartering

2012-03-22 Thread John Bradley
It is a OIDF spec at the moment. We don't have any plan to submit it currently. If there is a WG desire for that to happen the OIDF board would have to discuss making a submission. All in all I don't know that it is worth the IPR Lawyer time, as Thomas has a quite similar ID Submission.

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth WG Re-Chartering

2012-03-22 Thread Phil Hunt
I've been told recently that they have to be published as I-Ds to be considered. The secretariat even clamped down on referencing external blog posts never-mind external specs. :-) The new SCIM BoF which hopes to get a WG formed had to arrange to get the simplecloud.info specs submitted as

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth WG Re-Chartering

2012-03-22 Thread Mike Jones
I agree with John that submitting the OpenID Connect dynamic client registration spec to the IETF would make no sense. It is intentionally specific to the requirements of the Connect use case. I sent the link to it only so people could compare them, if interested. -- Mike

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth WG Re-Chartering

2012-03-22 Thread Justin Richer
I think it's a matter of politics and semantics: The real question is what do we officially build the IETF version off of? The WG can't officially start with the OIDF document due to IETF process, which makes sense. But there's nothing that says we can't start with Thomas's draft and be

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth WG Re-Chartering

2012-03-22 Thread Mike Jones
I agree that a goal of any OAuth dynamic registration work should be that it can be extended to meet the requirements of the OpenID Connect use case. I'm sure that extensions would be required, as the Connect registration spec intentionally has knowledge built into it that is specific to

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth WG Re-Chartering

2012-03-22 Thread Phil Hunt
Am happy to start with Thomas's draft. Going forwards it seems hard to be 'heavily influenced' by things 'we cannot consider'. :-) Phil @independentid www.independentid.com phil.h...@oracle.com On 2012-03-22, at 10:35 AM, Justin Richer wrote: I think it's a matter of politics and