Re: [OAUTH-WG] review: draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-05

2012-12-29 Thread Mike Jones
The problem with the X.1252 definition is it unnecessarily adds the “without being able to give proof” comment. That will distract the reader immediately. The current “a piece of information asserted about a subject” definition is just as accurate as the X.1252 and doesn’t send readers down a

Re: [OAUTH-WG] review: draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-05

2012-12-29 Thread Anthony Nadalin
1252 s it has a section that explains the usage A.2 Claim/assertion The meaning of the terms claim and assertion are generally agreed to be somewhat similar but with slightly different meanings. In some cases, an assertion is considered to be a "stronger" statement than a claim. For exampl

Re: [OAUTH-WG] review: draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-05

2012-12-29 Thread Nat Sakimura
Tony, So do you agree with the following definition in -06? Or prefer X.1252 definition? Claim A piece of information asserted about a subject. Here, Claims are represented name/value pairs, consisting of a Claim Name and a Claim Value. Mike: Regarding the ordering of the terms i

Re: [OAUTH-WG] review: draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-05

2012-12-29 Thread Anthony Nadalin
By definition a claim is always in doubt thus it would not call it a credential until it is verified -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Chadwick Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 1:42 AM To: Mike Jones Cc: IETF oauth WG Subj

[OAUTH-WG] Open Issue in draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-06

2012-12-29 Thread Brian Campbell
I noticed the open issue quoted below while perusing the diffs of some new I-Ds today and it reminded me that I'd been meaning to comment on that very issue. "Should all claims continue to be required to be understood by implementations using them when used in a security-related contex

Re: [OAUTH-WG] review: draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-05

2012-12-29 Thread David Chadwick
If a claim provides proof then I would call it a credential not a claim David On 29/12/2012 01:11, Mike Jones wrote: I found the X.1252 definition. It is: *6.18 claim *[b-OED]: To state as being the case, without being able to give proof. That seems both a bit vague, and actually incorrect,