Re: [OAUTH-WG] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Anthony Nadalin
So is the intent to provide an enterprise authentication claim? I would think that the proposal would use JWT as the token and then define the appropriate claim in the JWT From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Phil Hunt Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 1:14 AM

[OAUTH-WG] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sakimura-oauth-tcse-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Nat Sakimura
As some of you know, passing the authorization code securely to a native app on iOS platform is next to impossible. Malicious application may register the same custom scheme as the victim application and hope to obtain the code, whose success rate is rather high. We have discussed about it during

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Richer, Justin P.
From what I read, you've defined something that uses an OAuth 2 code flow to get an extra token which is specified as a JWT. You named it session_token instead of id_token, and you've left off the User Information Endpoint -- but other than that, this is exactly the Basic Client for OpenID

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Phil Hunt
The oidc specs do not allow this simple an implementation. The spec members have not shown interest in making changes as they say they are too far down the road. I have tried to make my draft as close as possible to oidc but maybe it shouldn't be clarity wise. I am interested in what the group

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Richer, Justin P.
What do you mean? You absolutely can implement a compliant OIDC server nearly as simply as this. The things that you're missing I think are necessary for basic interoperable functionality, and are things that other folks using OAuth for authentication have also implemented. Namely: - Signing

[OAUTH-WG] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Phil Hunt
Forgot reply all. Phil Begin forwarded message: From: Phil Hunt phil.h...@oracle.com Date: 30 July, 2013 17:25:46 GMT+02:00 To: Richer, Justin P. jric...@mitre.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt The whole point is authn only.

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-sakimura-oauth-tcse-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Nat Sakimura
Hi. I had to fix a few issues with the previous draft text. No normative changes, but just removed some extra text. Nat -- Forwarded message -- From: internet-dra...@ietf.org Date: 2013/7/31 Subject: New Version Notification for draft-sakimura-oauth-tcse-01.txt To: Nat Sakimura

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Richer, Justin P.
That's what people thought with OpenID 2.0, and they were wrong then, too, if you ask me. Even then, userinfo endpoint isn't MTI anyway. -- Justin On Jul 30, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Phil Hunt phil.h...@oracle.commailto:phil.h...@oracle.com wrote: The whole point is authn only. Many do not want

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread John Bradley
Connect dosen't require a userinfo endpoint. It is required for interoperability if you are building an open IdP. For an enterprise type deployment discovery, registration, userifo are all optional. The server is required to pass the nonce which is equivalent to a request ID through to the

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Nat Sakimura
I have written a short blog post titled Write an OpenID Connect server in three simple stepshttp://nat.sakimura.org/2013/07/28/write-openid-connect-server-in-three-simple-steps/ . Really, there is not much you need to on top of OAuth 2.0. It puzzles me why you need to create a draft with only

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Brian Campbell
Yes, that. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Richer, Justin P. jric...@mitre.orgwrote: Yes, I agree that the giant stack of documents is intimidating and in my opinion it's a bit of a mess with Messages and Standard split up (but I lost that argument years ago).

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Paul Madsen
I always think I pretty much understand OIDC until I see the specs list On 7/30/13 12:39 PM, Brian Campbell wrote: Yes, that. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Richer, Justin P. jric...@mitre.org mailto:jric...@mitre.org wrote: Yes, I agree that the giant stack of documents is

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Richer, Justin P.
So it's not the protocol that's the problem, it's the documentation. For that I'm 100% with you all. However, I really don't think that the right response to that is we'll just invent something new and incompatible with slightly different names -- it's to document the protocol better. --

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Todd W Lainhart
I always think I pretty much understand OIDC until I see the specs list It's not just me, then. Todd Lainhart Rational software IBM Corporation 550 King Street, Littleton, MA 01460-1250 1-978-899-4705 2-276-4705 (T/L) lainh...@us.ibm.com From: Paul Madsen paul.mad...@gmail.com To:

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Nat Sakimura
Right. Anyone who agreed to IPR could have proposed the text in the work group. Re: Messages and Standard Messages were supposed to be the collection of terminology and parameters sets. Standard was meant to be HTTP binding, which would effectively make it OAuth 2.0 + authentication + identity.

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Prateek Mishra
Nat - your blog posting is helpful to those of us who are looking for a minimal extension of OAuth with an authenticator. Many implementors are seeking a modest extension of OAuth, not an entire new protocol stack. I believe that is the point of Phil Hunt's proposal to the OAuth committee.

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Draft Submissions upcoming OAuth Meeting

2013-07-30 Thread Nat Sakimura
Here it is: A presentation on the transient client secret extension. http://www.slideshare.net/nat_sakimura/transient-client-secret-extension At the end of it, it has 2 pages for OAuth Meta Extension that was prepared for IETF 86 per the discussion and chairs' request at IETF 85. Cheers, Nat

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-00.txt

2013-07-30 Thread Nat Sakimura
Inline: 2013/7/31 Prateek Mishra prateek.mis...@oracle.com Nat - your blog posting is helpful to those of us who are looking for a minimal extension of OAuth with an authenticator. Many implementors are seeking a modest extension of OAuth, not an entire new protocol stack. I believe