Re: [OAUTH-WG] R: [SPICE] OAuth Digital Credential Status Attestations (typo)

2024-02-06 Thread Giuseppe De Marco
Ciao Tom, Forgive the delay in replying to you, I rarely find pleasure in discussion as in moments of sharing with you. I feel every responsibility for not being able to describe its purposes in the introduction of the specification, this is clear to me from your comment below. > That's far worse

Re: [OAUTH-WG] R: [SPICE] OAuth Digital Credential Status Attestations (typo)

2024-02-06 Thread Giuseppe De Marco
Hi Denis, sorry for the delay, below by points. > A *digital credential* may be presented to a verifier long after it has been issued. In the abstract we say what's the status attestation. Probably it's an editorial suggestion from you to say what's the substantial difference between the digital

Re: [OAUTH-WG] R: [SPICE] OAuth Digital Credential Status Attestations (typo)

2024-01-23 Thread Tom Jones
That's far worse than I ever imagined. It seems like it's bloody well useless. ..tom On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 5:48 AM Orie Steele wrote: > There are at least 2 kinds of vp. > > W3C has them and they can be secured or not. > > SD-JWT has them, and they can have key binding or not. > > An sd-jwt w

Re: [OAUTH-WG] R: [SPICE] OAuth Digital Credential Status Attestations (typo)

2024-01-23 Thread Orie Steele
There are at least 2 kinds of vp. W3C has them and they can be secured or not. SD-JWT has them, and they can have key binding or not. An sd-jwt without key binding is indistinguishable from a credential except for looking at the unprotected disclosures. SD-JWT has a section on forwarding presen

Re: [OAUTH-WG] R: [SPICE] OAuth Digital Credential Status Attestations (typo)

2024-01-22 Thread Tom Jones
VPs are not reused AFAIK. thx ..Tom (mobile) On Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 4:41 PM Watson Ladd wrote: > It could be a resused one obtained from a different context. Does that > matter? Depends on application. There's also a question of what it > means the subject processed it: people don't process VCs,

Re: [OAUTH-WG] R: [SPICE] OAuth Digital Credential Status Attestations (typo)

2024-01-22 Thread Watson Ladd
It could be a resused one obtained from a different context. Does that matter? Depends on application. There's also a question of what it means the subject processed it: people don't process VCs, their computers do. (Hence the terminology of User Agent, not user, in the W3C) On Sun, Jan 21, 2024

Re: [OAUTH-WG] R: [SPICE] OAuth Digital Credential Status Attestations (typo)

2024-01-21 Thread Tom Jones
I should have added - if you get a verifiable presentation from a wallet with a verifiable credential - it is my understanding that the VP is proof possession - in the sense that the VC has been processed by the subject to create the VP. I started to collect some information about that here - but

Re: [OAUTH-WG] R: [SPICE] OAuth Digital Credential Status Attestations (typo)

2024-01-21 Thread Tom Jones
Technically oauth is about authorization not authentication. And technically attestation is provided by rats and not oauth. So if you think that you are confused, so is everyone else at this point. thx ..Tom (mobile) On Sun, Jan 21, 2024, 11:51 AM wrote: > Hi Tom et al. > > Earlier this or last

Re: [OAUTH-WG] R: [SPICE] OAuth Digital Credential Status Attestations (typo)

2024-01-21 Thread Tom Jones
yes - i see that's what you are doing and think it is not only wrong, but misleading. Somehow words like trust and proof are given technological definitions by technologists that do not reflect the words existing meaning, but seek to gain reflected credence by their use in technological contexts. .

Re: [OAUTH-WG] R: [SPICE] OAuth Digital Credential Status Attestations (typo)

2024-01-19 Thread Orie Steele
Great question. I will give my 2 cents: proof -> a cryptographic ability that is verifiable signature -> proof of control of a private key. presentation -> proof of control of a private key that is bound to a signature (SD-JWT Presentation with key binding) presentation -> also just forwarding

Re: [OAUTH-WG] R: [SPICE] OAuth Digital Credential Status Attestations (typo)

2024-01-19 Thread Tom Jones
Proof seems to be yet another term for which we already have other terms. Can anyone explain the difference between: proof presentation evidence. ..tom On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 4:28 AM Denis wrote: > Hi Giuseppe, > > Ciao Denis, > > Thank you! By points. > > First, I still have a vocabulary pro

Re: [OAUTH-WG] R: [SPICE] OAuth Digital Credential Status Attestations (typo)

2024-01-19 Thread Denis
Hi Giuseppe, Ciao Denis, Thank you! By points. First, I still have a vocabulary problem. The text states: A *digital credential* may be presented to a verifier long after it has been issued. It should rather say: A *digital proof *(derived from a digital credential) may be presented t