[obrolan-bandar] Re: KALO BBM engga JADI naek ?

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Luthfy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Coba sekarang bandingkan BBM dengan Air Mineral, Harga 1 Liter BBM 
kok
 hampir sama dengan
 1 Liter Air Mineral  cuma air lho.
 Seandainya harga air mineral naik kok gak ada yang protess tuh ??? 

BUAT APA PROTES, kalo aer mineral jadi 100 ribu juga engga
akan protes. Kenapa ?, karena masih ada AER YG LAEN, 

contoh:
- Kalo ujan, tengadahkan kepala anda, dan buka mulut selama
  anda masih haus dan TENGGAK itu air yang diSUBSIDI ama Tuhan.


ya karena
 kenaikannya tidak serta merta diikuti oleh kenaikan harga produk 
produk
 lainnya. Gitcuu logh
 
 cuma bcanda biar hot
 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: jsx-consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:34 PM
 Subject: [obrolan-bandar] KALO BBM engga JADI naek ?
 
 
 
 
  KALO BBM engga JADI naek ?
 
  Apa sih akibatnya kalo BBM engga jadi NAEK ?.
 
  - APBN jadi berat BANGET di SUBSIDI.
  - Belanja RUTIN dan PEMBANGUNAN akan minim.
  - Apakah Negara DONOR akan bereaksi NEGATIF !!! karena duit
 bantuan buat RI sebagian BESAR buat subsidi orang kaya beli 
BENSIN
 buat mobilnya..
 
  Kalo DPR menolak kenaikan BBM dan PEMERINTAH ngotot naekin
  BBM, apa yang akan terjadi ?
 
  Mohon tanggapannya, dan apa efeknya ke BURSA ?.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Musim ngesot, sampe kapan?

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik Karno Edy





Ooom BD tambah canggih aje.., trading sambil merem 
 nyanyi keras2 lagu Iwan Fals,
omar BAKRIE...omar 
BAKRI..

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ANG 
  CIT KONG 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:29 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Musim 
  ngesot, sampe kapan?
  
  IKUT NYANYI AHHH  ALA LA LA LA LONG  A 
  LONGG
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Karno 
Edy 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:42 
PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Musim ngesot, 
sampe kapan?

Index terus rally, koq dibilang musim 
ngesot?
Gembong BEJ alias Bibi KOKOM terus ditekan dari 
atas..,,,

Sampe kapan musim ngesot ?
Kalo ada awal, pasti ada akhir. 
Keliatannya mulai muncul sinyal balik arah, 
moga-moga ngga salah.

Yu kita nyanyi pake baju warna-warni khas 
Hawai.
LONG A LA LA LA LA LONG
A LA LA LA LA LONG LONG ..LONG LONG WEI 
LONG
..ALL 
RIGHT
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Embah, Tbone general (1110).. Re: Ada yang berani ikut NYANTAP TBONe steak ?

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik Karno Edy





Kayanya si BOZZ mau ngeledek nih.

IHSG +19 TLKM bidnya tipis warna 
merah.
Kemarenselagi merah sinasty 
KOKOMpengen di atas.




  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Karno Edy 
  
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:29 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Embah, 
  Tbone general (1110).. Re: Ada yang berani ikut NYANTAP TBONe steak ?
  
  Sebenernya masih banyak yang bisa 
  digoreng,
  INCO 2
  SMGR
  TSPC 1
  INKP 2000
  TKIM, tambahin sendiri dah.,,
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Karno 
Edy 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:05 
PM
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Embah, 
Tbone general (1110).. Re: Ada yang berani ikut NYANTAP TBONe steak ?

Supaya IHSG 
bisa naek lagi ke 1200-1300, TLKM dan ISAT harus diangkat 5000 dan 
6000Kalo bukan TLKM dan ISAT apa LAGI ?. Coba pikir saham 
apayang bisa ngangkat IHSG ke 1200 kalo bukan TLKM dan ISAT 
?.

Tanpa TLKM dan ISAT ? Masih banyak 
tuh.
Samplenya aja :
BDMN 6000
UNVR 4000
BBCA 4000 (ngga jauh)
RALS 1000
BNGA 700 (Pak Hari pasti setuju 
hehehe..)
BNII 250
ASGR 500
SIIP 700
ANTM 3000
dsb
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Another hot BF ?

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik Karno Edy





IHSG +19
BKSL, DART, ELTY, JRPT, rata-rata sektor property 
ijo

SIIP -10 tutup 380
Ini yang namanya perbandaran.
Sabar kita wait aja dulu, moga2 terus diturunin spy 
kita bisa ikutin bandar yg mau ngumpulin di harga murah.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Karno Edy 
  
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:13 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Another hot 
  BF ?
  
  Klarifikasi
  
  Kenaikan laba bersih PT SIIP signifikan 
  473% ternyatabukan berita baru (sudah pernah muncul tgl 24//2 di 
  e-bursa.), belum ada bukti
  
  Namun, bukti otentiknya baru ada di website 
  BEJ.
  http://www.jsx.co.id/_dl.asp?cmd=dlid=undefinedTODIR=CURDIR=/Corporate_Actions/New_Info_JSX/Jenis_Informasi/01_Laporan_Keuangan/02_Soft_Copy_Laporan_Keuangan/Laporan%20Keuangan%20Tahun%202004/Desember%202004/Suryainti%20Permata%20(SIIP)/
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Karno 
Edy 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:04 
PM
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Another 
hot BF ?

Moga-moga aja turun dulu agak banyak spy kita 
bisa beli di harga murah.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Karno 
  Edy 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:04 
  PM
  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Another hot 
  BF ?
  
  Baru buka-buka lapkeu emiten BEJ, ada satu 
  yang menarik perhatian ane, ane prediksikan saham ini bakal 
  nge-boost.
  
  Wa sampe terkagum2 liat laporan keuangannya. 
  Current price Rp400,EPS 92, P/BV 
  0.61(see attachment). Wa udah ringkesin di excell. Untuk 
  lengkapnya, bisa liat diJSX ato FS ARC
  Ini perusahaan sudah listing cukup lama, 
  perusahaan properti tukang bikin ruko berpusat di Surabaya.
  Setahu saya dari sejak listing[EMAIL PROTECTED]belum pernah menambah jumlah 
  sahamnya.
  
  Perumahan permata masih kalah tenar sama 
  Pembangunan Jaya, Kelapa Gading, jadi ditawar lebih murah. BTW, jauh 
  lebih murah rasio2nya mulai dari book value, PER, ...dibanding rata-rata 
  industri (property).
  
  Oleh karena itu wa recommend buy,cocok 
  buat invest/simpen. Inget petuah embah :1. Bandar kan felit, 
  kalo semua ikut long, susah naeknya.
  2. Untuk jangka waktu yang tidak tentu wa 
  kira saham ini mungkin ditekan karena informasi inidisebarluaskan, 
  yang baca lapkeu dari BEJ  bandar mau beli di harga 
  bawah.
  3. Usahakan invest untuk term invest yang 
  lebih panjang, supaya pengaruh perbandaran tidak terlalu 
  berasa.
  
  Jadi disclaimer, bertindak sesuai resiko yang 
  berani ditanggung masing2.
  
  Brengsek nih, sebelum lapkeu nya ada di site 
  BEJ muncul, sahamnya udah naek duluan
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[obrolan-bandar] Anggota DPR brantem, IHSG +19

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant


Anggota DPR berantem tapi IHSG +19

Kejadian seperti begini tidak mungkin dijelaskan secara
KONVENSIONIL...

Tapi menjelaskan kenapa IHSG dianggkat menggunakan 
pendekatan bandarmologi pun ENGGA GAMPANG...

Tapi daripada DIAM aja, embah mencoba MENCARI JAWABANNYA
meskipun mungkin JAUH dari jawaban yang benar.

Jika kita perhatikan gerakan bursa hari ini kita dapatkan:
- Saham saham dimana si BOZZ ngeLONG diangkat gila gilaan
  seperti BBCA, BBRI, BDMN, TKIM, INKP, INDF dll
- Saham saham dimana si BOZZ ngeSHORT seperti TLKM, ISAT,
  BMRI dan BUMI dll diKASIH terus meskipun IHSG naik
  terus sepanjang hari.

APA TUJUANNYA ?.

Jika DPR berantemnya tambah GAWAT, misalnya sampe terjadi
KRISIS PARLEMEN atau gedung DPR ROBOH akibat TAWURAN 
MASAL maka posisi si BOZZ AMAN karena:

- Saham yang diSHORT menjadi MESIN PENGHASIL UANG jika
  IHSG jatoh.
- Saham yang diLONG kan, turun kembali keposisi sebelum
  naik hari ini. Jadi posisi BOZZ masih oke.

Gimana? Make SENSE atau NONSENS ?

Ada yang punya ide atau jawaban kenapa IHSG naek +19.

Atau kalo BBM engga jadi naek, IHSG memang harus naek ?.
Gimana sih logikanya ?.








 





















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[obrolan-bandar] Menu baru!! Dijamin baru!! Sehat and SIAP digoyang!!!

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik Lorena





TKIM 3000
INKP 1900
BNBR 500
SUBA 500
SPMA 500
UNIT beware of loss..

dan lain-lain yang masih belum dipublikasi..
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[obrolan-bandar] INCO

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik budi suryono



INCO touch all the time high di 15000, setelah break out dari konsolidasi singkat di 13800-14800, ready to soar into sky, buy INCO at 15200.
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[obrolan-bandar] DJ vs IHSG

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik Karno Edy





DJ -112.03
IHSG rally lagi dong Bos, iyakan ? ehhehheee




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[obrolan-bandar] BNBR terus akan terbang ?

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik Nugroho Adi Priyanto





pak mohon pencerahan mengenai BNBR donk sudah dua 
hari naik terus dari 155 saat ini 250 diatas 50% dalam 2 hari , please analisis 
teman 2 mengenai diatas perlu di hold atau sell
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] BNBR terus akan terbang ?

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik untung teruuss


denger2 BNBR mau right issue (bener ngganya silahkan cek),
namanya right issue tuh kadang bikin harga saham turun,
so naikin dulu lah baru diobral.

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:18:24 +0700
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 pak mohon pencerahan mengenai BNBR donk sudah dua hari 
naik terus dari 155 saat ini 250 diatas 50% dalam 2 hari 
, please analisis teman 2 mengenai diatas perlu di hold 
atau sell
 tks


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Re: [obrolan-bandar] BNBR terus akan terbang ?

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik Karno Edy





Kalau untung, nothing to lose. Sell, why 
not?

Kalo menurut gw sih gt, tau yg laen

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  Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:18 
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  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] BNBR terus akan 
  terbang ?
  
  pak mohon pencerahan mengenai BNBR donk sudah dua 
  hari naik terus dari 155 saat ini 250 diatas 50% dalam 2 hari , please 
  analisis teman 2 mengenai diatas perlu di hold atau sell
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[obrolan-bandar] Reksadana Platinum Saham

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik wpputra



Dear Rekan-rekan Obrolan Bandar,

Apakah ada di antara rekan-rekan yang tahu mengenai Reksadana 
Platinum Saham? Soalnya saya baca di Bisnis Indonesia, return mereka 
itu sangat fantastis.

Siapa ya Manajer Investasi Reksadana ini? Dan mereka itu invest di 
saham-saham apa sehingga return-nya bisa setinggi itu?

Terima kasih banyak untuk masukan dari rekan-rekan.

Best regards,

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[obrolan-bandar] UNVR: Growth Operating profit thn 2004 = 14%

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik jsx-consultant



UNVR: Growth Operating profit thn 2004 = 14%

Yang lagi belajar VALUASI, embah kirimkan data UNVR yang baru
keluar kemaren.


 Performance saham
UNVR dari MASA ke MASA (miliar Rp)

by jsx_consultant


2004|
2003|
 16-03-05 Q4
Q3 Q2 Q1|Q4 Q3 Q2 Q1|
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
--
SALES
8.984 6.599 4.469 2.299 8.123 6.128
4.066 2.078
COGS
4.315 3.151 2.102 1.089 3.906 2.965
2.023 1.051
GROSS MARG 4.669
3.448 2.366 1.209 4.217 3.163 2.043
1.027
GM (%)
51 52 52
52 51 51
50 49
OPR PROFIT | 2.039 1.509
1.047 577| 1.777 1.346 925
486
OP (%)
22 22 23
25 21 21
22 23
- Growth (%) | 14
12 13 18
NET PROFIT | 1.468 1.092
766 421| 1.296 988
662 358
NP (%)
16 16 17
18 15 16
16 17
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
--
ASSET
3.663 3.507 3.788 3.442 3.416 3.837
3.693 3.340
LIABILITY
1.367 1.346 1.959 1.363 1.320 1.515
1.698 1.267
EQUITY
2.296 2.161 1.828 2.079 2.095 2.321
1.995 2.072
CAPITALIS. 27.849 25.179 24.797 29.947 27.086 27.658 25.560 15.794
13.734
LEMBAR(JT) 7.630
7.630 7.630 7.630 7.630 7.630
763 763
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
--
STK PRICE 3.650| 3.300 3.250 3.925
3.550| 3.625 3.350 20.700 18.000
BOOK VALUE | 301
283 239 272| 274
304 2.615 2.716
PBV 12,13| 10,96
11,47 16,37 13,03| 13,20 11,01 7,92
6,63
DER
| 0,60 0,62 1,07 0,66|
0,63 0,65 0,85 0,61
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
--
ROE (%) |
63 67 83
81| 61 56
66 69
ROA (%) |
40 41 40
49| 37 34
35 42
LUPS
| 267 197 137
75| 232 176 1.212
637
EPS
| 192 143 100
55| 169 129 868
469
EPS (ANNU) | 192
190 201 221| 169
172 1.736 1.877
PER 18,96| 17,14
17,02 19,52 16,05| 21,32 19,39 11,92
9,58
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
--
CAP/OPP 13,65 12,34 12,32
14,29 11,71 15,56 14,23 8,53
7,06
CAP+LI/OPP 14,32 13,01 12,98 15,23
12,30 16,30 15,08 9,45 7,71
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
--
SALES(3Bl) 2.384
2.130 2.170 2.299 1.994 2.061 1.988
2.078
OP.PR(3Bl)
529 462 469 577
430 421 438 486
NET.P(3Bl)
375 325 345 421
308 326 304 358





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[obrolan-bandar] Hubungan antara GROWTH dengan PER

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant



Hubungan antara GROWTH dengan PER


Suatu perusahaan yang MANDEG atau GROWTH nya NOL akan
dihukum oleh pasar.

Misal:
- Comp A punya ROE bagus, akibatnya PER nya tinggi.
- Tapi jika GROWTH LABA nya nol maka PER tahun depan akan
  berkurang. 
- Artinya:
  meskipun EPS nya tinggi tapi karena EPS nya tidak bertambah
  maka pasar akan MENGHUKUM nya dengan membuat PER nya 
  lebih rendah.

Sebaliknya, sebuah perusahaan yang PUNYA PROSPEK BAGUS dimasa
datang (GROWTH TINGGI) akan mempunyai PER yang tinggi saat ini.

Apalagi perusahaan yang GROWTH nya negatif, perusahaan
seperti ini PER nya biasanya SANGAT RENDAH. Jadi kalo ada 
perusahaan dengan PER RENDAH jangan ASAL TUBRUK. Teliti
dulu mungkin saja perusahaan ini DIHUKUM oleh pasar alias
DIHINDARI oleh investor.

...

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[obrolan-bandar] Re: BNBR terus akan terbang ?

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik Hari Anggono



BNBR oh BNBR ... not for members of the jantungan club like me ...
Cukup AALI saja ... wong sama2 50% kok

Salam,

-hari-
**sial, port 25 kantor dijegal, jadilah susah kirim imel**

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 Kalau untung,  nothing to lose. Sell, why not?
 
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[obrolan-bandar] INDF: apakah 1200 masih murah ?

2005-03-16 Terurut Topik jsx-consultant



INDF: apakah 1200 masih murah ?

ROE cuman 9%, ROA 2%

Dengan harga INDF=1200 PER menjadi 30 , MAHAL SEKALI...

Tapi kenapa NAIK TERUS ?.

Jawabannya ada disimplied EV/EBITDA, lihat angka CAP/laba operasi
dibawah ini...


 Performance
saham INDF dari MASA ke MASA (miliar Rp)

by jsx_consultant


2004|
2003| 2002
 16-03-05 Q3
Q2 Q1|Q4 Q3 Q2 Q1|Q4
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
--
SALES
13.087 8.560 4.232 17.871 12.977 8.419 3.944 16.466
COGS
9.625 6.323 3.068 13.405 9.867 6.421 2.960
12.398
GROSS MARG 3.461
2.236 1.164 4.466 3.109 1.997
984 4.067
GM (%)
26 26 27
24 23 23
24 24
OPR PROFIT 1.545
1.006 548| 2.008 1.369 867
502| 1.880
OP (%)
11 11 12
11 10 10
12 11
NET PROFIT
284 116 113| 603
453 308 308| 802
NP (%)
2 1 2
3 3 3
7 4
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
--
ASSET
16.424 15.806 15.416 15.308 15.197 15.342 13.343 15.251
LIABILITY 12.306
11.858 11.197 11.214 11.244 11.533 9.566 11.588
EQUITY
4.118 3.948 4.219 4.093 3.953 3.809
3.777 3.662
CAPITALIS. 11.333 6.374 6.610 7.554 7.554
6.846 7.082 7.324 0
LEMBAR(JT) 9.444
9.444 9.443 9.443 9.443 9.443 9.155
9.384
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
--
STK PRICE 1.200 675
700 800| 800 725
750 800| 0
BOOK VALUE
436 418 446| 433
418 403 412| 390
PBV 2,75
1,55 1,67 1,79| 1,85 1,73
1,86 1,94| 0,00
DER
2,99 3,00 2,65| 2,74 2,84
3,03 2,53| 3,16
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
--
ROE (%)
9 5 10|
14 15 16
32| 21
ROA (%)
2 1 2|
3 3 4
9| 5
LUPS
163 106 58| 212
144 91 54|
200
EPS
30 12 12|
63 48 32
33| 85
EPS (ANNU)
40 24 48|
63 64 65
134| 85
PER 29,86
16,79 28,30 16,62| 12,51 11,32 11,46
5,93| 0,00
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
--
CAP/OPP 5,50 3,09
3,28 3,44 3,76 3,75 4,08
3,64 0,00
CAP+LI/OPP 11,47 9,06 9,17
8,54 9,34 9,90 10,73 8,40
6,16
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
--
SALES(3Bl) 4.527
4.327 4.232 4.894 4.557 4.474 3.944
4.562
OP.PR(3Bl)
538 457 548 639
502 364 502 552
NET.P(3Bl)
167 3 113
149 144 0
308 150





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