[obrolan-bandar] Re: [Milis-AATI] Be careful

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik jsx-consultant
Komentar dari seorang Profesional:

Jsx Trader wrote:

 saat ini kenaikan Index hanya di dukung oleh gerakan saham second
 liner. beberapa saham blue chip seperti ASII, BBRI, BBCA, ISAT telah
 mulai memberi sinyal untuk short, tinggal menunggu timing
 saja. kenaikan IHSG kali ini mgkn tarikan terakhir sebelum
 koreksisiap2 cuci gudang jika mulai ada tanda2
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] PTBA,KLBF

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik Santo Vibby





Setuju banget P' Budi...

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  PTBA dan KLBF tampaknya breakout untuk melanjutkan rallynya 
  ,buy PTBA di 2075 dan klbf di 1410,good luck
  
  
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] BLTA Road to 1600, which is adequate buffer for CB.

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik EKA SUWANDANA



Sebenernya, saya agak nggak percaya juga waktu denger berita BLTA bakal IPO di luar negri. Soalnya tahun 2002 lalu saya denger berita yg sama, tapi cuma rumor. Jadi waktu denger pertama kali...Ahh paling rumor dibuat2. So stock yg saya dulu pegang udah keluar di 1050-1160, tinggal nyisa 21 lotnggak sabar.Tapi terus keluar berita CBagak bingung juga...soalnya bunganya kecil 1,5%/tahun,tapi pas liat sejarahBUMI yg pernah seperti itu. Saya niat ambillagi...plus di yakinkan oleh mba ICA (BLTA biggest fan), jadi ngantri di 1100 trus dapet...niat jual di 1600-an.   Ketikaberita resmi dari direksi BLTA keluar, bahwa akanIPO so udah pasti investor ritel, bozz, semua mempercantik saham ini biar di jual di harga premium.Jadi kayaknya bakal saya tahan lamaan.By the way...yg 103 lot sebenernyaitu uang hasil jual mobil ESCUDO 1994 saya, yg suka mogokan...mudah2an
 jadi YARIS.budi santosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Pa Eka, selamat yah. Sekarang buy saham apa yah, etelah jual BLTA nya ?Thanks a lot.EKA SUWANDANA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:BLTA naik nih...saya bersukacita kembali , punya 124 lot,21 lot di harga 900, 103 lot di 1100.  Sudah melebihi harga wajar 1300, tapi karena ada penerbitan CB yg di exercise di 1250. Mungkin harus ada buffer sebesar 30% di atas 1250,...yah kira2 1600-an. Entah kalo terus di buru di Singapore (tapi listing di Singapore lebih baik daripada di NY, bisa2 nggak liquid kalo di NY) !! 
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[obrolan-bandar] STRATEGI TIPS

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik oentoeng_q

Segala sesuatu yg naik BERARTI mau turun, SEDANGKAN yg turun BERARTI 
mau naik.

STRATEGI: Bagaimana kalau sedang turun; portfolio kosong(Tdk 
JUALAN/apalagi CUT LOSS tetapi BUY), kalau sedang naik portfolio; 
sudah penuh (Sdh TDK BELI tetapi hy JUALAN)

IT'S EASY TO SAY BUT VERY HARD TO DO...

PTBA hr ini volume cukup besar, harga tinggi, berarti








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[obrolan-bandar] TA and gambling logic and probability

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant
TA and gambling logic+probability


Jika suatu TOOL TA memberikan signal beli dengan tingkat
keberhasilan 70%. Apakah seseorang akan untung ?.

Perhatikan:

- Jika tingkat keberhasilan 70%, maka jika kita mencoba 100 kali
  kita akan dapatkan 70 kali berhasil dan 30 kali gagal.

- Jika seseorang NOVICE mencoba untuk PERTAMA KALI maka,
  kemungkinan dia berhasil 70% dan gagal 30%.

- Jika NOVICE tersebut mencoba untuk pertama kali dan
  hasilnya BERHASIL, maka dia akan YAKIN dan PERCAYA dengan
  tool tsb.

- Tapi jika NOVICE tsb mendapat KEGAGALAN pada FIsRT TIME TRADE,
  maka ada KECENDRUNGAN orang tsb tidak PERCAYA dengan tool tsb.
  Baru dicoba SEKALI aja udah GAGAL pikirnya...

Beruntunglah ANDA yang mencoba TA pada pertama kali dan BERHASIL...

Karena banyak orang yg berfikir : ALL is well that START well...
padahal ada 30% orang yang TERKECOH pada awalnya

















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Re: [obrolan-bandar] BLTA Road to 1600, which is adequate buffer for CB.

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik EKA SUWANDANA



Jangan terlalu percaya rumor. APOL fundamental bagus cuma agak beda dgn BLTA, apol angkutan barang kontainer, BLTA banyak di oil, gas dan chemical. Blta lebih tahan krisis/inflasi. Growth apol dikala ekonomi jelek nggak gitu bagus. Blta lebih tahan cuaca ekonomi.  ENRG nggak perhatiin.hardi permana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  wah hebat juga bapak, bgmn dengan isu APOL? soalnya drhr kemaren  hr ini naik nya gila2an? bgmn dng enrg hrsenin? apakh ada berita inteligen?minta saran2 dr suhu2 nih. thanks berat--- EKA SUWANDANA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BLTA naik nih...saya bersukacita kembali , punya 124 lot, 21 lot di harga 900, 103 lot di 1100. Sudah melebihi harga wajar 1300, tapi karena ada penerbitan CB yg di exercise di 1250. Mungkin
 harus ada buffer sebesar 30% di atas 1250,...yah kira2 1600-an. Entah kalo terus di buru di Singapore (tapi listing di Singapore lebih baik daripada di NY, bisa2 nggak liquid kalo di NY) !!   Let's SEE! __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 




  
  
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: STRATEGI TIPS

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant
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 Segala sesuatu yg naik BERARTI mau turun, SEDANGKAN yg turun BERARTI 
 mau naik.
 

Yang naik bisa TURUN atau NAIK LAGI...
Yang turun bisa NAIK atau TURUN TERUS

 STRATEGI: Bagaimana kalau sedang turun; portfolio kosong(Tdk 
 JUALAN/apalagi CUT LOSS tetapi BUY), kalau sedang naik portfolio; 
 sudah penuh (Sdh TDK BELI tetapi hy JUALAN)
 
 IT'S EASY TO SAY BUT VERY HARD TO DO...
 

Kalo begitu, jadi ANALIS aja hehehe...

Padahal bagi sebagian orang: lebih STRESS jadi analis daripada 
jadi trader... Karena disini bersinggungan dengan HARGA DIRI...


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[obrolan-bandar] Si BOZZ kembali melawan arus REGIONAL

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant
Si BOZZ kembali melawan arus REGIONAL


Saat ini jam 11:41, index REGIONAL MERAH DARAH 
tapi IHSG +5,6...

Engga RINGAN kerjaan bandar...hehehe









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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: STRATEGI TIPS

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Yang turun bisa NAIK atau TURUN TERUS


yg turun bisa turun terus.. dan akhirnya bisa delisting.. sdh ada  
contohnya.. heheee




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[obrolan-bandar] Re: STRATEGI TIPS

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik oentoeng_q
Terima kasih banyak Mbah atas komentarnya; Terus terang saya skrg 
sdg lebih byk trading make STRATEGI drpd FA TA PA, bukan apa2 
mungkin ini yg lebih cocok dg saya selama ini

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  Segala sesuatu yg naik BERARTI mau turun, SEDANGKAN yg turun 
BERARTI 
  mau naik.
  
 
 Yang naik bisa TURUN atau NAIK LAGI...
 Yang turun bisa NAIK atau TURUN TERUS
 
  STRATEGI: Bagaimana kalau sedang turun; portfolio kosong(Tdk 
  JUALAN/apalagi CUT LOSS tetapi BUY), kalau sedang naik 
portfolio; 
  sudah penuh (Sdh TDK BELI tetapi hy JUALAN)
  
  IT'S EASY TO SAY BUT VERY HARD TO DO...
  
 
 Kalo begitu, jadi ANALIS aja hehehe...
 
 Padahal bagi sebagian orang: lebih STRESS jadi analis daripada 
 jadi trader... Karena disini bersinggungan dengan HARGA DIRI...
 
 
  PTBA hr ini volume cukup besar, harga tinggi, berarti
 







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Re: [obrolan-bandar] STRATEGI TIPS

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik zainudin aziez



Setuju buangebudi suryono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Naik lebih tinggi lagi pak, seperti PGAS he...he.. he..oentoeng_q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   "Segala sesuatu yg naik BERARTI mau turun, SEDANGKAN yg turun BERARTI mau naik".STRATEGI: Bagaimana kalau sedang turun; portfolio kosong(Tdk JUALAN/apalagi CUT LOSS tetapi BUY), kalau sedang naik portfolio; sudah penuh (Sdh TDK BELI tetapi hy JUALAN)IT'S EASY TO SAY BUT VERY HARD TO DO...PTBA hr ini volume cukup besar, harga tinggi, berarti  Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 




  
  
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] PTBA,KLBF

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik Hari Anggono



PTBA, my fav buddy, slow but sure ... 
KLBF, hati2 ... rupiah masih rentan ...

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On 2/13/06, Santo Vibby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Setuju banget P' Budi...

regards

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Subject: [obrolan-bandar] PTBA,KLBF

PTBA dan KLBF tampaknya breakout untuk melanjutkan rallynya ,buy PTBA di 2075 dan klbf di 1410,good luck



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[obrolan-bandar] Re: STRATEGI TIPS

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik oentoeng_q
Sebelumnya saya minta maaf buat teman2 yg cukup yakin dg FA TA PA 
atau tools yg lain; bukan apa2 sy cuman berusaha 
mengembangkan berbeda tetapi tetap satu yaitu di BEJ ini kita 
bertransaksi.
Alasan saya memakai Strategi adalah sbb:
1. Utk FA; saya sudah mengumpulkan SEMUA riset asing dan 5 besar 
sekuritas lokal. Semua riset itu sy pelajari utk mengetahui FAKTOR2 
apa yg membuat FAIR PRICE yg mereka tetapkan berbeda. Saya lihat 
adlah UN-CONTROL-ABLE FACTORS, Padahal mereka semua pasti liat Lap 
Keu, Kapasitas produksi, market share dll pasti sama; tetapi harga 
FAIR PRICE tetap berbeda.
KESIMPULAN: saya lebih suka kalo ada ANALIS/RISET yg BERBEDA, 
Yaitu yg bilang harga target TINGGI ketika market price sedang turun 
bahkan sedang rendah2nya. Di sisi lain kalau market price udah 
tinggi RISET INI bilang sdh overValued atau tdk nambah2i lebih 
tinggi.
2. Utk TA; seringkali para trader/analis TA berani merekomend buy di 
harga support dan jual harga resistance.
KESIMPULAN: saya paling suka beli ketika org2 secara teknikal cut 
loss, atau jual di harga2 support menurut para trader TA.
Contoh kasus paling baru adlh PTBA; OVERALL cost saya 1800an. Saya 
mulai beli lg utk TRADING: beli 1850 jual 1920; beli 1940-1960 jual 
2000, ini saya lakukan beberapa kali; kalo kita lihat berulang kali 
PTBA nyentuh 2000 terus turun lagi ke bwhnya. Kecuali minggu kemarin 
saya jual 2000an, karena saya lihat udah ndak mau turun lg saya BUY 
BACK di 2010 terus saya jual di 2075 hr ini. Nanti kalo teman2 yg 
beli di 2075 kuat ngangkat akan sya beli lg di 2125-2150 utk jual di 
2200. Let'us see...
Kenapa strategi begitu karena saya suka jual ketika org2 berani beli 
krn di situ volume sedang besar2nya.
3. Utk PA; utk masalah pengendalian emosi saya sering merasakan 
BESAR KECIL KECIL BESAR
ARTINYA: Ketika kita pegang saham BESAR (jumlah) untung kita malah 
kecil; mungkin jualnya terlalu cepat, atau hal lain. Ketika pegang 
KECIL malah kita dpt mengikuti saham tersebut sampai NEW HIGH. Ini 
kan cukup merepotkan secara emosional.
Apakah teman2 OB juga sering mengalami hal serupa???
KESIMPULAN: saya menganggap trans di bursa adalah permainan 
softball. Seorang BABE RUTH tidak selalu melakukan HOME RUN, tetapi 
pool demi pool. Kalo Bung EKA SUWANDA mungkin sedang HOME RUN di 
BLTA selamat buat anda!
Semua ini kalau BERBEDA dg teman2 OB saya tdk berkecil hati karena 
supaya bursa kita terus rame; TEMAN2 JUAL SAYA BELI demikian 
sebaliknya, jadi harga terus bergerak. Begitu kan MBAH?
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: Si BOZZ kembali melawan arus REGIONAL

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik oentoeng_q
Tetapi hr ini tutup minus TLKM 6050-6100 PTBA 20025-2050
Let'us see...
PARTY IS OVER... YET


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 Saat ini jam 11:41, index REGIONAL MERAH DARAH 
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[obrolan-bandar] Psychological TIP: When in DOUBT, STAY OUT

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant
Psychological TIP from Martin Pring

- When in DOUBT, STAY OUT












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[obrolan-bandar] Apakah VIRUS sudah HABIS ?

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant
Apakah VIRUS sudah HABIS ?


Mohon komentarnya, apakah MUSIM VIRUS sudah BERLALU ?.

Mungkin pertanyaannya seperti KONYOL, masalahnya 
Embah tidak bisa merasakan ADANYA VIRUS karena VIRUS2
yang dikirim kealamat embah SUDAH DIHAPUS oleh ISP embah
yaitu CENTRIN. Jadi embah selama MUSIM VIRUS ini tidak
merasakan SATU VIRUS PUN yang masuk MAILBOX embah...

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[obrolan-bandar] PTBA,KLBF

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik budi suryono



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[obrolan-bandar] ANALIS PLACEBO.....PA = Psychological Analysis .... was Re: REGIONAL MEMBUAT

2006-02-12 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant
Ketika embah posting soal GROGI ini, IHSG lagi -20, dan
saat ini IHSG udah kembali ke 1260 jam 10:15... hehehe...

Apakah IHSG akan menembus Previous HIGH RESISTENSE 1268 ???.

Please COMMENT... supaya embah engga GROGI kedepan hehehe...

Pernah denger tentang PLACEBO, obat yang isinya BOONGAN untuk
mentest OBAT BARU. Ini dimaksud untuk MENGHILANGKAN efek 
penyembuhan secara PSIKOLOGIS dari obat baru yang lagi ditest.

Kita yakin dengan analisa kita tapi kadang2 kita GROGI, 
kita perlu analis PLACEBO biar kita engga GROGI hehehe...


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 GROGI adalah KATA PILIHAN YANG TEPAT untuk HARI INI 
 
 Ilmu investasi berkembang dari CUMAN analisa Fundamental, 
 dilanjutkan dengan analisa TEKNIKAL ketika bursa bursa dunia
 BULLISH...
 
 Tapi BEGITU BANYAK investor yang pakai analisa TEKINIKAL yang
 tidak BERUNTUNG, KENAPA ?
 
 Jawabannya disekitar kata pilihan hari ini yaitu GROGI 
 
 GROGI, Tidak KONSISTEN, tidak DISIPLIN, tidak percaya dengan
 TOOL TA , TEROMBANG-AMBING oleh gerakan MARKET, BIMBANG, TAKUT,
 DEPRESI
 
 Semua HAL diatas membuat kita AKHIRnya tidak PERCAYA lagi
 dengan TOOL yang kita pelajari, dan DISINILAH awal dari 
 KEGAGALAN TA... KALO embah boleh bilang...
 
 Jadi pada SAAT ini, kita harus memgembangkan PA selain TA, FA
 dan BA, yaitu PSYCHOLOGICAL ANALYSIS.. KENAPA ?.
 
 Pada saat ini kata embah, investor lebih banyak GAGAL karena
 faktor PSIKOLOGIS (diri sendiri) dari pada faktor TRADING
 SYSTEM...
 
 Correct me IF i am wrong...
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, oentoeng_q oentoeng_q@ 
 wrote:
 
  Anda takut dg -12 ??? itu berarti kemarin byk melakukan buy buy 
  buy.
 









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