[obrolan-bandar] IHSG intraday
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
ngga lah..ok2 aja kok pak jt posting trs aja pak. justru cukup membantu dlm menambil keputusan beli/jual saham. kl ada yg ga mau..ya seperti biasa delete aja --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
kalo gitu japri aja pak JT hehehehe becanda ah... On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:01 PM, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Pengamat Market *Sent:* 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
Re: [obrolan-bandar] TLKM - Intraday
Begitu aja ya Pak tips, ok Pak, terima kasih. Mudah - mudahan bisa ngeluarin infaq lebih gede bulan ini. Amin. Makasi ya Pak Sent from TradingBerry® sponsored by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:41:27 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] TLKM - Intraday Tipsnya??.., Jangan Greedy !! hehehe.., set target sebelumnya.., take it kalau sudah kena, jangan takut ketinggalan kereta, market masih bearish, index tidak akan ‘sekonyong-konyog’ lari ke 2000. InsyaAllah Kesempatan selalu ada. JsxTrader From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TLKM - Intraday Pak JT, ada tips gak utk saya buat intraday trading selain liat volum ama feeling. Mungkin Bapak ada saran utk saya? Terima Kasih Pak Sent from TradingBerry sponsored by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT _ From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:01:11 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] TLKM - Intraday Naik dgn volume kecil, ada potensi koreksi…, Disclaimer.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kalo saya pribadi sih ga masalah, pak... Soalnya buat saya gerakan-gerakannya pak JT itu ilmu juga... Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Agree On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:01 PM, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Pengamat Market *Sent:* 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM -- Kindly Visit My Book Collections: http://www.tarasinta.com Tingkatkan Daya Manfaat Website Anda: http://www.tarasinta.com/shafo Newsletter Koleksi Buku Terbaru: Joint to My Group by sending email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sent blank email: no subject no Content)
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
wah jgn gitu pak JT ini kami2 hanyalah perlu pencerahan, dimana anda yg mungkin lebih banyak informasi dan bisa lebih membaca pasar dari kami yg masih OB alias orang baru didunia saham. my poin is KEEP POSTING MR JT WE NEED YOUR HELP --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] IHSG intraday
Mudah-mudahan Tembus ya MBAH MAJOR WORLD INDICES - Americas http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=americas - Asia/Pacific http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=asia - Europe http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=europe - Africa/Middle East http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=africa Symbol Name Last Trade Change Related Info ^ATXhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EATX ATX *2,067.56* Oct 20 [image: Up] *56.20* *(2.79%)* Componentshttp://finance.yahoo.com/q/cp?s=%5EATX, Chart http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EATX, Morehttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EATX ^BFX http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EBFX BEL-20 *2,109.53* Oct 20 [image: Up] *94.23* *(4.68%)* Chart http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EBFX, Morehttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EBFX ^FCHI http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EFCHI CAC 40 *3,448.51* Oct 20 [image: Up] *118.59* *(3.56%)* Chart http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EFCHI, Morehttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EFCHI ^GDAXI http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EGDAXI DAX *4,835.01* Oct 20 [image: Up] *53.68* *(1.12%)* Chart http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EGDAXI, Morehttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EGDAXI ^AEX http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EAEX AEX General *269.41* Oct 20 [image: Up] *17.15* *(6.80%)* Chart http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EAEX, Morehttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EAEX ^OSEAX http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EOSEAX OSE All Share *300.93* 1:00AM ET 0.00 (0.00%) Components http://finance.yahoo.com/q/cp?s=%5EOSEAX, Charthttp://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EOSEAX, More http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EOSEAX ^MIBTELhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EMIBTEL MIBTel *16,969.00* Oct 20 [image: Up] *438.00* *(2.65%)* Componentshttp://finance.yahoo.com/q/cp?s=%5EMIBTEL, Chart http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EMIBTEL, Morehttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EMIBTEL ^IXX http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EIXX ISE National-100 *77.76* Sep 22 0.00 (0.00%) Chart http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EIXX, Morehttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EIXX ^SMSI http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESMSI Madrid General *1,064.28* Oct 20 [image: Up] *29.19* *(2.82%)* Componentshttp://finance.yahoo.com/q/cp?s=%5ESMSI, Chart http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5ESMSI, Morehttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESMSI ^OMXSPI http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EOMXSPI Stockholm General *209.43* Oct 20 [image: Up] *7.86* *(3.90%)* Charthttp://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EOMXSPI, More http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EOMXSPI ^SSMIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESSMI Swiss Market *6,216.46* Oct 20 [image: Up] *116.84* *(1.92%)* Charthttp://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5ESSMI, More http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESSMI ^FTSEhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EFTSE FTSE 100 *4,282.67* Oct 20 [image: Up] *219.66* *(5.41%)* Componentshttp://finance.yahoo.com/q/cp?s=%5EFTSE, Chart http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EFTSE, Morehttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EFTSE HEADLINESChange Display [ hide $$http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/rss/hide/*http://edit.finance.yahoo.com/eo?ns_p=1.done=http%3A%2F%2Ffinance.yahoo.com%2Fintlindices%3Fe%3Deurope edithttp://edit.finance.yahoo.com/e1a?.done=http%3A%2F%2Ffinance.yahoo.com%2Fintlindices%3Fe%3Deurope] Ticker Headline and Source *Today, Tue, Oct 21, 2008* • ^FCHI European stock index futures point to higher openhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/reuters/SIG=1165jh9eu/*http://www.reuters.com/legacyArticle?duid=mtfh35404_2008-10-21_06-11-44_ll705537_newsmlrpc=44type=marketsNews *at Reuters* (Tue 2:11am) • ^FCHI European Factors -- Shares poised to extend rallyhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/reuters/SIG=1165jh9eu/*http://www.reuters.com/legacyArticle?duid=mtfh35161_2008-10-21_05-58-20_ll681456_newsmlrpc=44type=marketsNews *at Reuters* (Tue 1:58am) • ^FTSE UK Stocks -- Factors to watch on Oct 21http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/reuters/SIG=1165jh9eu/*http://www.reuters.com/legacyArticle?duid=mtfh34732_2008-10-21_05-19-34_lk434989_newsmlrpc=44type=marketsNews *at Reuters* (Tue 1:19am) • ^GDAXI Bookies see Europe stocks extending rallyhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/reuters/SIG=1165jh9eu/*http://www.reuters.com/legacyArticle?duid=mtfh34574_2008-10-21_05-07-49_ll683198_newsmlrpc=44type=marketsNews *at Reuters* (Tue 1:07am) MAJOR WORLD INDICES - Americas http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=americas - Asia/Pacific http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=asia - Europe http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=europe - Africa/Middle East http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=africa Symbol Name Last Trade Change Related Info ^AORDhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EAORD All Ordinaries *4,251.40* 1:11AM ET [image: Up] *152.70* *(3.73%)* Componentshttp://finance.yahoo.com/q/cp?s=%5EAORD, Chart http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EAORD, Morehttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EAORD ^SSEC http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESSEC Shanghai Composite *1,986.92* 1:47AM ET [image: Up] *12.91* *(0.65%)* Charthttp://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=01.SS, More http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=01.SS
[obrolan-bandar] Baru Rp6.7 Miliar Terpakai Buy Back
Baru Rp6.7 Miliar Terpakai Buy Back / *Artikel Terkait:* - *Buy Back* Saham Efektif Kendurkan Kepanikanhttp://www.kompas.com/read/xml/2008/10/20/17192129/buy.back.saham.efektif.kendurkan.kepanikan - Jangan Pakai Dana Infrastruktur http://www.kompas.com/read/xml/2008/10/17/19230794/jangan.pakai.dana.infrastruktur. - Dana Buy Back Baru Terpakai Rp 8 Miliarhttp://www.kompas.com/read/xml/2008/10/15/08421674/dana.buy.back.baru.terpakai.rp.8.miliar Selasa, 21 Oktober 2008 | 13:18 WIB *JAKARTA, SELASA -* Realisasi pelaksanaan program pembelian kembali (*buy back)* saham 10 BUMN hingga kini telah mencapai Rp20 miliar, dari dana yang disediakan sekitar Rp6,7 triliun. Baru terserap (dialokasikan--*red*) sekitar Rp20 miliar, kata Sekretaris Menneg BUMN, Muhammad Said Didu, di Kantor Kementerian Negara Badan Usaha Milik Negara (Menneg BUMN) , Jakarta, Selasa (21/10). Ia menjelaskan, program *buy back* akan terus dilanjutkan dengan harapan harga saham dapat terdongkrak. Namun, pelaksanaanya disesuaikan dengan kondisi pasar. Menurut Said, dari 10 emiten BUMN yang melakukan program *buy back*seluruhnya telah mengesekusi dengan besaran yang bervariasi. BUMN yang dimaksud yaitu PGN, PT Batubara Bukit Asam, Telkom, Jasa Marga, Aneka Tambang, Semen Gresik, Wijaya Karya, Timah, Kimia Farma, dan Adhi Karya. BUMN yang paling besar menyiapkan dana adalah Telkom mencapai lebih Rp3 triliun, disusul Jasa Marga Rp1 triliun, dan PGN Rp450 miliar, katanya. Ia menjelaskan, Kementerian BUMN selaku kuasa pemegang saham perusahaan menjamin, bahwa pelaksanaan *buy back* tersebut tidak akan mempengaruhi rencana investasi perseroan. Tidak akan mengganggu investasi karena dana disiapkan setelah menyisihkan anggaran belanja modal (*capex*) dan anggaran operasional (*opex*), ujar Said. Kementerian BUMN melalui Menneg Sofyan Djalil tambah Said Didu, juga telah mengeluarkan standar prosedur operasional (SOP) *buy back* bahwa pelaksananya dilakukan oleh BUMN yang memiliki kelebihan arus kas (ekses likuiditas). Selanjutnya dilakukan setelah serangkaian analisis, serta menerapkan prinsip (*good corporate governance*/GCG) atau tata kelola perusahaan yang baik dan benar. Said berpendapat, bahwa saat ini merupakan waktu yang tepat bagi investor untuk mengoleksi saham BUMN selain harga yang masih rendah saham BUMN juga memiliki prospek yang bagus. Emiten BUMN umumnya bergerak di sektor riil sehingga sahamnya tetap berpeluang ke level yang tinggi, ujarnya.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Kalaupun punya posisi, apakah menjadi tidak boleh untuk berpikir objektif dan membagikannya dengan yang masih awam ? Sepertinya anjuran elder sepemahaman saya adalah untuk tidak membicarakan posisi apa yang dimiliki bukan membicarakan status suatu saham dari sudut pandang TA ? Pak JT, teruskanlah postingannya pak, demi kemajuan OB... 2008/10/20 ryu valiant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wah jgn gitu pak JT ini kami2 hanyalah perlu pencerahan, dimana anda yg mungkin lebih banyak informasi dan bisa lebih membaca pasar dari kami yg masih OB alias orang baru didunia saham. my poin is KEEP POSTING MR JT WE NEED YOUR HELP --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED]jsxtrader%40yahoo.com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] jsxtrader%40yahoo.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis-AATI%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] RE: PTBA - Intraday
Thank you pak JT, this helps a lot! :-) 2008/10/21 JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Secara keseluruhan masih ok, tapi juga ada potensi koreksi ke 5550.., resistance kuat di 6500.., Close diatas 6500 dgn volume besar merupakan signal bagus. So.., Kalau sentiment global bagus, kemungkinan akan test 6500, tapi kalau sentiment jelek, bisa koreksi dulu ke 5550. FOR TRADER ONLY; Saran saya kalau sudah cuan jangan ambil target terlalu tinggi. Dalam situasi market yg masih belum menentu ini, belum saatnya let the profit run. Disclaimer JsxTrader [image: ptba.png] -Original Message- From: Marcello Djunaidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 11:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PTBA Kalau PTBA gimana pak peta perangnya? thanks MD No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM image001.png
[obrolan-bandar] HSBC beli bank Ekonomi dengan harga PREMIUM !!! ( PBV = 4,2)
HSBC beli saham Bank Ekonomi diharga 2452 atau BAEK dibeli dengan PBV = 4,2. Untuk ukuran bank sekelas BAEK, PBV = 4,2 ini bagus SEKALI... Heran, katanya mau KRISIS, kok asing NEKAD banget beli bank lokal dengan PBV = 4,2. Borong borong bank lokal mumpung rupiah lagi murah. Kurs transaksi BAEK dilevel = 9580. Orang Indonesia beliin dollar, orang asing beliin asset orang Indonesia.. Orang Indonesia teriak krisis, orang asing diem diem beli bank dengan HARGA TINGGI lagi. Ini HSBC nekad, bego atau SMART ?.
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
no Pak dont keep private tp emang bener ada yg musti di keep private. soalnya salah mulu hehehhe tony hm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ngga lah..ok2 aja kok pak jt posting trs aja pak. justru cukup membantu dlm menambil keputusan beli/jual saham. kl ada yg ga mau..ya seperti biasa delete aja --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private , ok Ill stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[obrolan-bandar] Momentum building for new economy-boosting package
*AP* Momentum building for new economy-boosting package Tuesday October 21, 12:04 am ET By Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer Momentum seems to be building for new economy-boosting measure after Bernanke, Bush comments WASHINGTON (AP) -- Momentum is building for a fresh dose of economic stimulants to boost the country out of the doldrums -- perhaps by putting more money in Americans' pockets. The White House said Monday that President Bush was open to some sort of action after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke warned the slump could drag on without the extra bracing tonic. ADVERTISEMENT On Wall Street, stocks bolted higher, with the Dow Jones industrials rising 413 points. There also were some new signs that credit conditions were thawing a bit. The national economy, already wobbling, has been rocked by a trio of hard punches from the housing, credit and financial crises. With a recession widely seen as inevitable, if not already under way, the focus in Washington has shifted to the questions of how bad, how long and how to limit the pain. There is increasing talk of a post-election special session calling Congress back to the Capitol. But urgency varies greatly according to whom you talk to -- and when. We're continuing to have conversations with members of Congress, and we're open to ideas that they would put forward ... that would stimulate the economy and help us pull out of this downturn faster, White House press secretary Dana Perino said around noon Monday, shortly after Bernanke endorsed the need for a fresh and significant round of government action. A couple of hours later, Bush seconded Perino's remarks, but he also said in a more optimistic tone: I have heard that people's attitudes are beginning to change from a period of intense concerns -- I would call it near panic -- to being more relaxed. He commented after a closed meeting with business leaders in Alexandria, La. If congressional leaders and Bush -- who has been cool to more federal stimulus spending given already exploding budget deficits -- were to hash out an acceptable package, it would require a special session after the Nov. 4 elections. If an agreement can't be worked out, the effort probably would be taken up by the next Congress and the next president. Democrat Barack Obama has strongly advocated more government stimulus, while Republican John McCain is keeping his options open. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and fellow congressional Democrats are pushing a package that could cost as much as $150 billion. Some economists, however, have advised them in recent days that to have a real impact, the total would have to be far larger, as much as $300 billion. As part of that package, Democrats want to resurrect a $61 billion House-passed measure that included about $37 billion in public works spending, $6 billion to extend jobless benefits, $15 billion to help states to pay their Medicaid bills and $3 billion in food stamp assistance for the poor. The Democrats also are considering a second round of tax rebates to follow the $600 to $1,200 checks most individuals and couples got earlier this year. That money, going directly to consumers in hopes they would spend it, could push the price tag much higher. Unemployment -- now at 6.1 percent -- is expected to hit 7.5 percent or higher next year. And millions of Americans have been watching their retirement nest eggs and home values shrivel. One-third of Americans are worried about losing their jobs, half fret they will be unable to keep up with mortgage and credit card payments, and seven in 10 are anxious that their stocks and retirement investments are losing value, according to an Associated Press-Yahoo News poll of likely voters released Monday. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., a member of the Democratic leadership, predicted Congress would return in November. We couldn't have gotten a better supporter for a stimulus package than Ben Bernanke, Schumer said. His support will change the stimulus from a possibility to a reality. Pelosi said, I call on President Bush and congressional Republicans to once again heed Chairman Bernanke's advice and as they did in January, work with Democrats in Congress to enact a targeted, timely and fiscally responsible economic recovery and job creation package. However, in an interview with The Associated Press last Friday, Pelosi had said Congress is unlikely to approve a tax rebate before Bush leaves office, and she signaled that prospects were dim that Democrats would be able to strike a deal with the president on an economic aid package during a post-election session. In February, Congress enacted a $168 billion stimulus package that included tax rebates for people and tax breaks for businesses. The rebate checks did help to lift economic growth in the spring. After that, though, consumers cut back sharply and businesses have retrenched in turn. With the economy likely to be weak for several quarters, and with
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
[obrolan-bandar] Re: HSBC beli bank Ekonomi dengan harga PREMIUM !!! ( PBV = 4,2)
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HSBC beli saham Bank Ekonomi diharga 2452 atau BAEK dibeli dengan PBV = 4,2. Untuk ukuran bank sekelas BAEK, PBV = 4,2 ini bagus SEKALI... Heran, katanya mau KRISIS, kok asing NEKAD banget beli bank lokal dengan PBV = 4,2. Borong borong bank lokal mumpung rupiah lagi murah. Kurs transaksi BAEK dilevel = 9580. Orang Indonesia beliin dollar, orang asing beliin asset orang Indonesia.. Orang Indonesia teriak krisis, orang asing diem diem beli bank dengan HARGA TINGGI lagi. Ini HSBC nekad, bego atau SMART ?. menurt saya sih NEKAD. Bego atau Smart akan terlihat 1 -2 tahun lagi... HIGH RISK HIGH GAIN Mreka yang cetuskan ide itu..mreka konsisten juga terhadap ide itu
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Berarti boleh dong sharing asal tetap objektif dan tidak mempublikasikan jumlah lot yang dimiliki, apakah begitu ? 2008/10/20 Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader *From:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] *On Behalf Of *Pengamat Market *Sent:* 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
ya pak JT, keep posting ajah, saya banyak belajar dari posting an bpk. Jgn dengerin orang lain, yg penting kan niatnya. - Original Message From: ryu valiant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:12:11 PM Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades wah jgn gitu pak JT ini kami2 hanyalah perlu pencerahan, dimana anda yg mungkin lebih banyak informasi dan bisa lebih membaca pasar dari kami yg masih OB alias orang baru didunia saham. my poin is KEEP POSTING MR JT WE NEED YOUR HELP --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
setuju.., pak jt tetap posting posisi pak, bagi yg gak bs monitor seluruh saham scr menyeluruh, posting bapak sngt membantu meskipun keputusan ttp ditangan kita ( sy filter ke folder tersendiri gabung mbah).. --- On Tue, 21/10/08, tony hm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: tony hm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 1:25 PM ngga lah..ok2 aja kok pak jt posting trs aja pak. justru cukup membantu dlm menambil keputusan beli/jual saham. kl ada yg ga mau..ya seperti biasa delete aja --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] HSBC beli bank Ekonomi dengan harga PREMIUM !!! ( PBV = 4,2)
Asing masih percaya dengan potensi Indonesia sebagai sala satu pasar asia terbesar :D Gitu khan Mbah.. -NP- - Original Message From: jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:34:35 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] HSBC beli bank Ekonomi dengan harga PREMIUM !!! ( PBV = 4,2) HSBC beli saham Bank Ekonomi diharga 2452 atau BAEK dibeli dengan PBV = 4,2. Untuk ukuran bank sekelas BAEK, PBV = 4,2 ini bagus SEKALI... Heran, katanya mau KRISIS, kok asing NEKAD banget beli bank lokal dengan PBV = 4,2. Borong borong bank lokal mumpung rupiah lagi murah. Kurs transaksi BAEK dilevel = 9580. Orang Indonesia beliin dollar, orang asing beliin asset orang Indonesia.. Orang Indonesia teriak krisis, orang asing diem diem beli bank dengan HARGA TINGGI lagi. Ini HSBC nekad, bego atau SMART ?.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] HSBC beli bank Ekonomi dengan harga PREMIUM !!! ( PBV = 4,2)
Asing masih percaya dengan potensi Indonesia sebagai sala satu pasar asia terbesar :D Gitu khan Mbah.. -NP- - Original Message From: jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:34:35 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] HSBC beli bank Ekonomi dengan harga PREMIUM !!! ( PBV = 4,2) HSBC beli saham Bank Ekonomi diharga 2452 atau BAEK dibeli dengan PBV = 4,2. Untuk ukuran bank sekelas BAEK, PBV = 4,2 ini bagus SEKALI... Heran, katanya mau KRISIS, kok asing NEKAD banget beli bank lokal dengan PBV = 4,2. Borong borong bank lokal mumpung rupiah lagi murah. Kurs transaksi BAEK dilevel = 9580. Orang Indonesia beliin dollar, orang asing beliin asset orang Indonesia.. Orang Indonesia teriak krisis, orang asing diem diem beli bank dengan HARGA TINGGI lagi. Ini HSBC nekad, bego atau SMART ?. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[obrolan-bandar] Re: HSBC beli bank Ekonomi dengan harga PREMIUM !!! ( PBV = 4,2)
Dijual dengan nilai 0,6 miliar dolar, tinggal nambah 0,4 miliar dollar lagi cukup buat beli 30% saham BUMI... hehehe... Mending beli bisnis energi daripada pegang bank kecil, takut DILEBUR ama BI... Harga jualnya, harga PREMIUM yaitu sekitar 50% dari harga market, makanya BUMI juga bakal minta premium 50%. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, hendrik_lwww [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- consultant@ wrote: HSBC beli saham Bank Ekonomi diharga 2452 atau BAEK dibeli dengan PBV = 4,2. Untuk ukuran bank sekelas BAEK, PBV = 4,2 ini bagus SEKALI... Heran, katanya mau KRISIS, kok asing NEKAD banget beli bank lokal dengan PBV = 4,2. Borong borong bank lokal mumpung rupiah lagi murah. Kurs transaksi BAEK dilevel = 9580. Orang Indonesia beliin dollar, orang asing beliin asset orang Indonesia.. Orang Indonesia teriak krisis, orang asing diem diem beli bank dengan HARGA TINGGI lagi. Ini HSBC nekad, bego atau SMART ?. menurt saya sih NEKAD. Bego atau Smart akan terlihat 1 -2 tahun lagi... HIGH RISK HIGH GAIN Mreka yang cetuskan ide itu..mreka konsisten juga terhadap ide itu
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Buat saya, hal yg paling penting dari Om T, bukanlah dianya profit ato rugi. Tapi penjelasannya dari sisi technical. Grafik2nya sangat membantu mengerti apa yg dicoba dijelaskan. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 4:45 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/03.gif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private..., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
RE: [obrolan-bandar] TLKM - Intraday
HOW ABOUT INCO MR. JT PLEASE YOUR ADVISE RGDS JL
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Proses belajarnya pak yang penting.. Sharing view sih gk masalah pak... Sharing posisi jg gk dilarang... --- On Tue, 10/21/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:52 PM Buat saya, hal yg paling penting dari Om T, bukanlah dianya profit ato rugi. Tapi penjelasannya dari sisi technical. Grafik2nya sangat membantu mengerti apa yg dicoba dijelaskan. From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 4:45 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades
sharing view
sharing posisi
sama telling people about your trades bedanya apa
maklum agak rancu disini, saya sih cenderung ok2 aja sharing view dan
posisi karena prosesnya bisa profit dan prosesnya bisa loss itu yg
harus dipelajari.
mungkin lebih tepatnya, stop telling people about your trades,
without explanation or view ?
klo ada penjelasan ok la
heehehhe
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Proses belajarnya pak yang penting..
Sharing view sih gk masalah pak...
Sharing posisi jg gk dilarang...
--- On Tue, 10/21/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:52 PM
Buat saya, hal yg paling penting dari Om
T, bukanlah dianya profit ato rugi.
Tapi penjelasannya dari sisi technical.
Grafik2nya sangat membantu mengerti apa yg dicoba dijelaskan.
From:
obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Pengamat Market
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008
4:45 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop
Telling People About Your Trades
Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas
sangat sederhana.
Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau
menelusuri
lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita
lupakan
Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita
telah
menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita
sedang
profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu
mungkin akan
membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi
profit tapi
anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu
juga bisa
menyakiti teman anda.
Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar
penilaian
kita ke market tetap objektif
--- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com
wrote:
From: JsxTrader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] com
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM
Make sense...,
better keep private
, ok I'll stop telling people about my trade.
Thanks for
the reminding.
Regards,
JsxTrader
From:
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Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop
Telling People About Your Trades
Stop
telling people about your trades!
Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with
words. If
you keep telling others about your open positions, you are
encouraging them
to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'.
While you
have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this
private,
and not discuss your successes or failures with another living
soul. You do
not need to hear another person's response regarding your
effectiveness or
ineffectiveness as a trader.
The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to
introspectively work
on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to
sympathise or
to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your
business.
From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford
Page 58
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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. Dari: Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade.. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM Apakah demonstrasi turun ke jalan itu hal yang wajar? Temukan jawabannya di Yahoo Answers!
Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Kecele dengan workshop FOREX
Dear All, Saya cuma mau mengingatkan bahwa selama tidak ada pihak yang mengajukan keberatan atau merasa dirugikan akan suatu tindakan pihak lain, maka tidak akan ada aksi pidana yang dapat dilakukan. Jika ada satu saja pihak yang telah mengeluarkan sejumlah dana dan mendapatkan produk yang tidak sesuai dengan harapan dan kenyataannya, maka pihak konsumen, dalam hal ini, dapat mengajukan tuntutan perdata. Tuntutan ini bisa berlanjut ke tuntutan pidana jika ternyata ada unsur-unsur penipuannya. Jadi, jika anda merasa telah dirugikan atau ditipu mentah-mentah, anda dapat mengajukan surat pengajuan protes atau keberatan ke pihak penyangga hukum terkait dengan penyelenggaraan seminar investasi ini. Hanya saja, wilayah ini masih abu-abu. Bisa saja masuk pengawasan Departemen Pendidikan karena bentuknya yang berupa seminar. Tetapi, mereka biasanya berkelit bahwa konsumen telah sadar betul akan isi daripada seminar tersebut dan tidak akan dapat mengajukan keberatan di kemudian hari. Sekarang, tinggal masyarakat yang harus pandai memilih antara seminar yang jualan kecap dan seminar yang benar-benar seminar. Salam, Iwan Budhiarta, MSi, MT, CFP(R), CWM Yayasan Lembaga Konsumen Surabaya Please find some valuable information of investment strategic on http://smartinvestor.multiply.com --- Pada Sen, 20/10/08, Panda_Po [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: Dari: Panda_Po [EMAIL PROTECTED] Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Kecele dengan workshop FOREX Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Senin, 20 Oktober, 2008, 7:21 AM Untuk mengetahui dan sekaligus mengkonfirmasi rumor ini. rekan2 OB dapat meminta bukti berupa detailed statement yang berasal dari real account Hary Suwanda pada saat preview seminar forex Lumen Capital Resources. Atau untuk lebih memastikan lagi 100%, anda juga bisa meminta login password untuk investor mode (inget bukan demo account) pada real account trainer tersebut untuk melihat posisi-posisi yang ada pada accountnya. kemudian anda periksa hasil trading trainer tersebut minim selama 1 tahun kebelakang. apakah benar trainer tersebut telah sukses menerapkan suatu trading sistem ataupun EA(robot) yang digembor2kan. bila trainer tersebut tidak pernah memberikan hasil real account maupun posisinya secara live kepada peserta seminarnya. dapat dipastikan bahwa trainer tersebut hanyalah trainer abal-abal atau tukang jualan jamu yang tampan saja. BTW : hari gini seminar masih laku ? Regards, Panda_Po --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Milis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In bsd-society@ yahoogroups. com, :-\) Willy Maringka wmaringka@ wrote: Saya dengan latar belakang pekerjaan banking di bidang forex, tertarik dengan iklan workshop forex yang diadakan oleh LCR, boleh dibilang iklannya adalah yang paling besar yang pernah saya lihat di beberapa media cetak disertai dengan foto CEOnya yang handsome... karena tertarik dengan robot system yang dipromosikan, kira2 bulan april bersama kawan2 mendaftar untuk ikut workshop tersebut dengan biaya Rp.9,5 juta .. Dengan kepiawaiannya si CEO tersebut mengajarkan suatu cara untuk main forex dengan resiko nol, system yang disebut immortal. Ternyata cara tersebut bukanlah suatu ilmu baru, dan bukanlah suatu cara yang dapat diandalkan untuk jangka panjang, saya tidak tertarik, karena triknya hanyalah menggunakan celah dari perbedaan swap interest di antara 2 broker, dan kita malahan tidak tenang, karena system itu sangat labil dan tidak disukai oleh pihak broker. Selanjutnya diajarkan suatu cara trading dengan menggunakan robot. ... Robot system memang saya butuhkan agar saya tidak harus selalu berada di depan monitor, tetapi ternyata robotnya tidak memadai, karena kita sebagai pembeli masih disuruh untuk mensetting robot yang sangat complicated, dan tidak memperbesar probabilitas profit dalam trading... Cukup lama saya berusaha mendalami produk mereka, ternyata memang tidak bisa dipakai untuk trading, berbagai macam test sudah saya lakukan tapi hasilnya jelek.. Saya capek mempelajari robot systemnya, kemudian saya minta hasil uji coba robot tersebut dengan maksud saya mau test kehandalan robot tersebut dengan setting dari si pembuat yang katanya dahsyat.. (lazimnya sebuah tools yang dijual sudah melalui tahapan uji coba yang matang)...ternyata si CEO dan partnernya, justru tidak pernah menggunakan robot tersebut sebagai andalan trading mereka, bahkan tampaknya mereka tidak melakukan trading forex, karena sampai saat ini mereka terus berkelit dengan berbagai dalih agar saya tidak menuntut hasil uji coba yang seharusnya mereka lakukan atas produk tersebut... Mungkin karena mereka grogi, mereka menawarkan untuk segera mengembalikan uang sayahe he he saya malah jadi curiga, ada apa sih sebenarnya.. ..wong awalnya saya berniat mau minta settingan yang mereka pergunakan untuk
[obrolan-bandar] history data per sektor IHSG,emas oil dan besi
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. Dari: Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private..., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM Yahoo! sekarang memiliki alamat Email baru http://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/mail/domainchoice/mail/signature/*http:/mail. promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/ Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di domain baru @ymail dan @rocketmail. br Cepat sebelum diambil orang lain!
INCO - RE: [obrolan-bandar] TLKM - Intraday
INCO test low lagi dgn vol kecil., kemarin gagal.., harusnya sdh mulai mental, jadi bisa SPEC BUY., BUT., ini bukan saran !!.., ini hanya mainan trader gokil.., karena kalau tutupnya dibawah 1800 anda HARUS CL !! not recommended.., tunggu mental aja, atau cari yg lain.. !! inco.png From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoLind Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:08 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] TLKM - Intraday HOW ABOUT INCO MR. JT PLEASE YOUR ADVISE RGDS JL No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM image001.png
[obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS
Dear all OBers, Mohon informasi, ada yang tahu mengenai GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS?? (alamat dan nomor teleponnya) Ada teman yg punya account disana, dan sekarang mau jual sahamnya. Thanks
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades
well.. tiap orang bisa punya pandangan sendiri dan masing2tentang hal ini.
--- On Tue, 10/21/08, conx_2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: conx_2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 2:20 PM
sharing view
sharing posisi
sama telling people about your trades bedanya apa
maklum agak rancu disini, saya sih cenderung ok2 aja sharing view dan
posisi karena prosesnya bisa profit dan prosesnya bisa loss itu yg
harus dipelajari.
mungkin lebih tepatnya, stop telling people about your trades,
without explanation or view ?
klo ada penjelasan ok la
heehehhe
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Pengamat Market
kalipatullah@ ... wrote:
Proses belajarnya pak yang penting..
Sharing view sih gk masalah pak...
Sharing posisi jg gk dilarang...
--- On Tue, 10/21/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] . [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:52 PM
Buat saya, hal yg paling penting dari Om
T, bukanlah dianya profit ato rugi.
Tapi penjelasannya dari sisi technical.
Grafik2nya sangat membantu mengerti apa yg dicoba dijelaskan.
From:
obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Pengamat Market
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008
4:45 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop
Telling People About Your Trades
Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas
sangat sederhana.
Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau
menelusuri
lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita
lupakan
Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita
telah
menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita
sedang
profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu
mungkin akan
membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi
profit tapi
anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu
juga bisa
menyakiti teman anda.
Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar
penilaian
kita ke market tetap objektif
--- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com
wrote:
From: JsxTrader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] com
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM
Make sense...,
better keep private…, ok I'll stop telling people about my trade.
Thanks for
the reminding.
Regards,
JsxTrader
From:
obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market
Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop
Telling People About Your Trades
Stop
telling people about your trades!
Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with
words. If
you keep telling others about your open positions, you are
encouraging them
to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'.
While you
have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this
private,
and not discuss your successes or failures with another living
soul. You do
not need to hear another person's response regarding your
effectiveness or
ineffectiveness as a trader.
The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to
introspectively work
on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to
sympathise or
to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your
business.
From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford
Page 58
This post originally posted at:
www.trendtrader. co.cc
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS
Namanya sdh ganti jd Equity Securities Indonesia, sorry ga punya no telp n alamatnya. Liat di RTI aja bro.. --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Bandar Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bandar Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 12:32 AM Dear all OBers, Mohon informasi, ada yang tahu mengenai GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS?? (alamat dan nomor teleponnya) Ada teman yg punya account disana, dan sekarang mau jual sahamnya. Thanks
RE: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS - Intraday
Pressure kuat kebawah.., jangan terlalu agresif.., kalau td posisi short.., boleh lah SIAP_SIAP cover short. tapi tunggu agak rendahan dikit. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JsxTrader Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 11:22 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS - Intraday Same as TLKM.., ada potensi koreksi.., saya ambil posisi short.., kalau dikasih will cover lower.. DISCLAIMER !! pgas.png No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM image001.png
Re: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS
Namanya sdh ganti jd Equity Securities Indonesia, sorry ga punya no telp n alamatnya. Liat di RTI aja bro.. --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Bandar Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bandar Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 12:32 AM Dear all OBers, Mohon informasi, ada yang tahu mengenai GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS?? (alamat dan nomor teleponnya) Ada teman yg punya account disana, dan sekarang mau jual sahamnya. Thanks
Re: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS
Kantor Pusat Wisma Sudirman, Lt.14, Jend. Sudirman Kav.34 Jakarta - 570-0738 570-3379/3380 --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Hary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Hary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 7:42 AM Namanya sdh ganti jd Equity Securities Indonesia, sorry ga punya no telp n alamatnya. Liat di RTI aja bro.. --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Bandar Junior bandar_junior@ yahoo.com wrote: From: Bandar Junior bandar_junior@ yahoo.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 12:32 AM Dear all OBers, Mohon informasi, ada yang tahu mengenai GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS?? (alamat dan nomor teleponnya) Ada teman yg punya account disana, dan sekarang mau jual sahamnya. Thanks __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS
Dari Tante Google: *PT Gajah Nusantara Sekuritas* Wisma Diners Club, Lt 14. Jl. Jend. Sudirman Kav.34, Jakarta 10220, Indonesia. Telp: (021) 570 0738 (general) Telp: (021) 570 8484 (Sales Dealer) Fax: (021) 570 3379-80 Equity Securities Indonesia: http://202.155.2.90/members.asp?cmd=detailid=bs Salam, Cumi, Cuma Mimpi 2008/10/21 Hary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Namanya sdh ganti jd Equity Securities Indonesia, sorry ga punya no telp n alamatnya. Liat di RTI aja bro.. --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, Bandar Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Bandar Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 12:32 AM Dear all OBers, Mohon informasi, ada yang tahu mengenai GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS?? (alamat dan nomor teleponnya) Ada teman yg punya account disana, dan sekarang mau jual sahamnya. Thanks
[obrolan-bandar] Adhi Karya boleh dicollect?
Buat nyangkuters, masih ada harapan laahh... Paling enggak avg down, syukur2 untung. At least itulah pendapat research-nya TRIM Result ▪ ADHI booked 9M08 revenue growth of 22.2% YoY, from Rp3.0tr to Rp3.7tr, on the back of new revenue contribution of Rp167.8bn from Adhi Oman LLC, 22.2% YoY growth in construction revenue to Rp3.3tr and 29.0% YoY growth in property sales to Rp69.0bn while EPC revenue experienced a decline by 29.7% YoY to Rp159.4bn. ▪ Nevertheless, significant decline in gross margin, from 10.5% in 9M07 to 7.5% in 9M08, has led 9M08 gross profit to fall by 13.1% YoY to Rp274.1bn. This, coupled with a 37.6% YoY decline in 9M08 JO profit to Rp18.1bn, caused 9M08 operating profit to plunge 27.9% YoY to Rp153.6bn with net profit slashed by 49.9% YoY to Rp52.2bn. ▪ Despite still weak YoY performance, on a QoQ basis, the company has shown good progress in its 3Q08 performance. Revenue grew by 43.5% QoQ to Rp1.7tr, operating profit surged by 71.8% QoQ to Rp82.8bn and net profit skyrocketed by 385.9% QoQ to Rp41.8bn. Stock Data ▪ Target Price: Rp565 ▪ P/E (x): 7.2 ▪ P/BV (x): 0.8 ▪ Div. Yield (%): 7.3 Comment ▪ Overall we rate 9M08 performance as better than expected. 9M08 operating and net profit outperformed our expectation as both, operating and net profit, have reached 77.3% and 82.3% of our FY08 target of Rp198.8bn and Rp63.4bn. These results are even better considering 9M08 revenue and gross profit only represent 68.3% and 68.2% of our FY08 estimate of Rp5.4tr and Rp402.0bn, respectively. ▪ Better-than-expected operating and net profit figures are attributed to: 1) streamlined operating expenses, which only accounts 60.6% of our FY08 estimate of Rp228.9bn, and 2) lower minority interests, which only accounts 20.3% of our FY08 estimate of Rp17.7bn. While we applaud 3Q08 performance, net profit is somewhat misleading given lower-than-expected minority interest is likely a result of losses booked by its subsidiaries. However, at the moment the above statement is only our quick analysis and we are awaiting clarification by ADHI on this issue. Our hypothesis is based on financial reports of Adhi Oman LLC (AOL), subsidiary in Middle East, which booked a loss in its 3Q08 earning. AOL posted 3Q08 gross loss of Rp7.5bn versus 2Q08 gross profit of Rp7.9bn on the back of 48.6% QoQ decline in 3Q08 revenue to Rp41.6bn and 27.7% QoQ slash in 3Q08 gross margin to -18.0%. ▪ We also applaud the balance sheet improvement in 9M08. A quick glance revealed that ADHI has improved its working capital management. In 9M08, net working capital days stand at 88days versus 120days in 9M07. The improvement came from a larger liability side, whereby trade payable and advances increased by 84.1% YoY and 266.4% YoY, respectively. ▪ We have a DCF TP of Rp565/share for the counter, implying a 121.6% upside potential and dividend yield of 7.3%. At the moment, ADHI is trading at an attractive FY08 P/E of 7.2x and P/BV of 0.8x. Given significant plunge in counter's share for the past few weeks, we upgrade our recommendation from HOLD to BUY. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry®
Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Setuju pak Richard dan dimilis ini juga perlu belajar juga saat kapan ambil posisi, pak JT salah satu panutan bagi kami di OB :D -NP- - Original Message From: Richard Ropongi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:25:09 PM Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. Dari: Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM Yahoo! sekarang memiliki alamat Email baru Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di domain baru @ymail dan @rocketmail. br Cepat sebelum diambil orang lain!
Re: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS
Thanks atas bantuannya bro. GBU --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Hary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Hary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 12:42 AM Namanya sdh ganti jd Equity Securities Indonesia, sorry ga punya no telp n alamatnya. Liat di RTI aja bro.. --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Bandar Junior bandar_junior@ yahoo.com wrote: From: Bandar Junior bandar_junior@ yahoo.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 12:32 AM Dear all OBers, Mohon informasi, ada yang tahu mengenai GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS?? (alamat dan nomor teleponnya) Ada teman yg punya account disana, dan sekarang mau jual sahamnya. Thanks
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Saya kira Pak JT justru sangat membantu untuk menghidupkan lagi kegairahan dan keberanian orang untuk kembali ke market. Kalau mau jujur mungkin saya kira most of retail player, knowledge dan pengalamannya masih belum cukup confidence untuk masuk ke market dalam kondisi seperti ini. Lagipula apa yang perlu ditakutkan kalau memang tujuannya adalah untuk kebaikan dalam upaya menjaga index dan volume dipasar saham meningkat lagi, kecuali memang ada tujuan lain sehingga dengan adanya pengikut akan menambah beban berat untuk menjadikan pergerakan harga suatu saham sesuai dengan keinginan pihak tersebut. --- Pada Sel, 21/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: Dari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008, 2:29 PM Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik – buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. Dari: Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades
iya tiap orang punya pandangan yang berbeda di milis ob juga sebenernya pisau mata 2 , kadang melihat ada yg mau buy, malah kesempatan untuk buang barang... ada pak jsx dan pasukan nya, mau buy, yah bandar mengunakan kesempatan ini untuk distribusi... jadi ada baiknya juga untuk menahan bicara, tapi yah bagaimana tidak ada yg tahu secara pasti biarkan semua berjalan dengan alami, rest n relax dan serahkan pada yang diatas saja --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well.. tiap orang bisa punya pandangan sendiri dan masing2tentang hal ini. --- On Tue, 10/21/08, conx_2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: conx_2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 2:20 PM sharing view sharing posisi sama telling people about your trades bedanya apa maklum agak rancu disini, saya sih cenderung ok2 aja sharing view dan posisi karena prosesnya bisa profit dan prosesnya bisa loss itu yg harus dipelajari. mungkin lebih tepatnya, stop telling people about your trades, without explanation or view ? klo ada penjelasan ok la heehehhe --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ ... wrote: Proses belajarnya pak yang penting.. Sharing view sih gk masalah pak... Sharing posisi jg gk dilarang... --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Iwan.Budi@ . Iwan.Budi@ .. wrote: From: Iwan.Budi@ . Iwan.Budi@ .. Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:52 PM Buat saya, hal yg paling penting dari Om T, bukanlah dianya profit ato rugi. Tapi penjelasannya dari sisi technical. Grafik2nya sangat membantu mengerti apa yg dicoba dijelaskan. From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 4:45 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private , ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan..., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe.., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM _ Yahoo! http://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/mail/domainchoice/mail/signature/*http:/mail.prom otions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/ sekarang memiliki alamat Email baru Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di domain baru @ymail dan @rocketmail. br Cepat sebelum diambil orang lain! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
he..he...he... gak ada yang sakit hati pak... sya cuman nulis apa yang saya baca dari buku...dan saya review sendiri dari pengalaman saya selama trading di beberapa market... Well saya sadar sepenuhnya posting ini pasti akan jadi kontroversi sama dengan di milis2 yang lain.. Sama dengan ketika penulis buku itu menulis juga. Tapi kalau kita mau melihat dari pengalaman kita masing2 pasti adaada hal-hal menarik yang bisa kita ambil.terkait dengan tulisan dari Mr Louise tersebut. Kita akan jadi belajar...kapan kita harus berbicara tentang suatu hal...dan kapan sebaiknya kita harus berdiam... Dalam kasus lain yang paling sederhana. Orang-orang sekaliber Soros juga tidak akan bercerita sembarangan tentang posisi dia di market. dan dia mo ngapain. Contoh yang paling kecil lagi Bakrie juga gk akan bilang ke kita si BUMI mo diapain lagi ama dia..dan ada permainan apa. Memang ada saatnya kita harus berdiam dan ada saatnya kita memang harus bercerita itu yang harus dipahami pak. Kalau kita cuman memahami tulisan itu dari sisi verbalnya saja...akan ada missing linknya pak. Sehingga seolah-olah dengan tulisan itu saya melarang tiap orang untuk ngobrol tentang posisi. Tapi sebenarnya yang ingin disampaikan adalah sederhana..Belajar kapan harus berbicara kapan harus diam...yang lebih jauh lagi adalah kita bisaterapkan when to enter...when to exit dan when to stop trading Konsep FAST Trader adalah konsep sederhana yang saya terapkan baik dalam trading maupun dalam kehidupan sehari2 http://www.trendtrader.co.cc/search/label/FAST%20Trader .. --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Richard Ropongi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard Ropongi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 2:25 PM Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. Dari: Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps..com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM Yahoo! sekarang memiliki alamat
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades
iya tiap orang punya pandangan yang berbeda di milis ob juga sebenernya pisau mata 2 , kadang melihat ada yg mau buy, malah kesempatan untuk buang barang... ada pak jsx dan pasukan nya, mau buy, yah bandar mengunakan kesempatan ini untuk distribusi... jadi ada baiknya juga untuk menahan bicara, tapi yah bagaimana tidak ada yg tahu secara pasti biarkan semua berjalan dengan alami, rest n relax dan serahkan pada yang diatas saja --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well.. tiap orang bisa punya pandangan sendiri dan masing2tentang hal ini. --- On Tue, 10/21/08, conx_2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: conx_2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 2:20 PM sharing view sharing posisi sama telling people about your trades bedanya apa maklum agak rancu disini, saya sih cenderung ok2 aja sharing view dan posisi karena prosesnya bisa profit dan prosesnya bisa loss itu yg harus dipelajari. mungkin lebih tepatnya, stop telling people about your trades, without explanation or view ? klo ada penjelasan ok la heehehhe --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ ... wrote: Proses belajarnya pak yang penting.. Sharing view sih gk masalah pak... Sharing posisi jg gk dilarang... --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Iwan.Budi@ . Iwan.Budi@ .. wrote: From: Iwan.Budi@ . Iwan.Budi@ .. Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:52 PM Buat saya, hal yg paling penting dari Om T, bukanlah dianya profit ato rugi. Tapi penjelasannya dari sisi technical. Grafik2nya sangat membantu mengerti apa yg dicoba dijelaskan. From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 4:45 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private , ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to
Re: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS
Thanks atas bantuannya sis, GBU --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Felicia Rumondor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Felicia Rumondor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 12:50 AM Kantor Pusat Wisma Sudirman, Lt.14, Jend. Sudirman Kav.34 Jakarta - 570-0738 570-3379/3380 --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Hary [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: Hary [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 7:42 AM Namanya sdh ganti jd Equity Securities Indonesia, sorry ga punya no telp n alamatnya. Liat di RTI aja bro.. --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Bandar Junior bandar_junior@ yahoo.com wrote: From: Bandar Junior bandar_junior@ yahoo.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 12:32 AM Dear all OBers, Mohon informasi, ada yang tahu mengenai GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS?? (alamat dan nomor teleponnya) Ada teman yg punya account disana, dan sekarang mau jual sahamnya. Thanks _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ?
Mungkin aja Pak Rei, karena suspennya tidak akan dibuka sebelum masalah repo sahamnya yang involve banyak pihak selesai. --- Pada Sel, 21/10/08, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: Dari: Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008, 10:52 AM Mungkinkah Bumi tidak AR bawah pas buka? Miracle dong... 2008/10/21 yashinto sembiring yashintosembiring@ yahoo.com Tiga saham Bakrie mulai merangsang adrelin... ini bisa jadi sebagai jawaban atas desakan sejumlah pemain (termasuk pejabat plus anggota DPR) agar saham BUMI tidak boleh AR ke bawah... kalo suspen dibuka --- On Mon, 10/20/08, budi zhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: budi zhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 8:40 PM Gerakan BTEL bener-bener gelok, Embah. 2008/10/21 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com __ Apakah Anda Yahoo!? Lelah menerima spam? Surat Yahoo! memiliki perlindungan terbaik terhadap spam http://id.mail.yahoo.com
[obrolan-bandar] suspend buy
mohon pencerahan dari para senior dan OB'ers, jika kena suspend buy tapi outstandingnya sudah dikembaliin ke sekuritas tapi kenapa suspend buy nya belum dibuka.Tq ___ Dapatkan nama yang Anda sukai! Sekarang Anda dapat memiliki email di @ymail.com dan @rocketmail.com. http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: HELP : GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Bandar Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all OBers, Mohon informasi, ada yang tahu mengenai GAJAH NUSANTARA SEKURITAS?? (alamat dan nomor teleponnya) Ada teman yg punya account disana, dan sekarang mau jual sahamnya. Thanks Akiu. Gajah Nusantara Sekuritas namanya sekarang PT. EQUITY SECURITIES INDONESIA (BS) alamaat di wisma sudirman lantai 14, jl. jend. sudirman kav. 34
Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] BYAN
nah itu dia.kan gak ada yang gak mungkin...namanya narik mau berapa lot kek yang penting target ketariknya nyampe --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Ally McProfit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ally McProfit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] BYAN To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:31 AM SEMU, masak AR kanan hanya 1 lot dlm 1X transaksi --- On Tue, 10/21/08, sabil mubarak [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: sabil mubarak [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] BYAN To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 12:15 AM ya memang sih LG sebenernya udah nyiapin duit gede buat jagain BYAN sejak mulai IPO.Nah,mungkin ketika mau action jagain,LG udah melihat proyeksi kedepan bahwa market bakal babak belur sampe seperti sekarang,sehingga ketika itu mungkin (lagi) LG berfikir daripada gw keluar duit sekarang toh tetep jatoh juga harganya,mendingan entar ajah kalo udah jatoh baru gw tarik. Mungkin loh yasemuanya serba mungkin sih... --- On Mon, 10/20/08, j p [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: j p [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] BYAN To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 11:06 PM Saya melihat, bhw penjaminnya (Trimegah) yang menaikkan harga tersebut. Seperti film India, awalnya kalah dulu baru akhirnya menang --- Pada Sen, 20/10/08, Marcello Djunaidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] com menulis: Dari: Marcello Djunaidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Topik: [obrolan-bandar] BYAN Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Tanggal: Senin, 20 Oktober, 2008, 9:49 AM Dear all, ada apa dengan BYAN? iseng2 liat chart, kok narik terus ya? MD _ _ _ _ __ Apakah Anda Yahoo!? Lelah menerima spam? Surat Yahoo! memiliki perlindungan terbaik terhadap spam http://id.mail. yahoo.com _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com
Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Kecele dengan workshop FOREX
banyak jalan menuju roma - a new strategy to earn LOT OF MONEY Investasi bodong or investasi programe adalah cara NON INTELKTUAL mencari nasabah metode dahulu kala. dan si nasabah lebih BERASA bila dana nya habis di karenakan ada orang yang di rasa menipu nya. berbeda dgn modus seminar2 tsb. si client tidak merasa banyak di rugikan. karena selama pelatihan sudah mendapatkan bonus , makan malam n siang , dan saat menerapkan trading bila tidak sesuai dgn target mereka buka buku baca lagi or ikut training semi-gartis dan hanya membayar 2jt saja.secara psikologis ini tidak bgitu kelihatan. TAPI apakah Biaya Workshop yg segitu besar nya 9jt tsb benar2 mewakili dgn ilmu yg didapatkan nya. dan menjamin trading or investasi nya akan benar2 profitable than loss. or ada juga yg tidak trading karena merasa complicated workshop tsb sehingga takut salah dalam trading. or ada yg merasa ngga jadi trading lah,,, seram juga dunia investasi stelah tahu seluk beluk nya. apakah tipe workshop sperti ini dapat di sebut mencerdaskan orang dalam berinvestasi. mungkin yg berhasil 10% selebih nya ... siapa yang tau ada puluhan ribu orang yg telah ikut workshop OPTION or FOREX tsb. bila perlu YAYSAN LEMBAGA KONSUMEN melakukan riset or penggaduan untuk menerima masukan dari para alumni workshop yg bertara di atas 100 org per kelas tsb. agar lebih jelas ,,, kemana metode baru ini akan di bawa. Rgds SAT - Original Message From: Iwan Budhiarta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:19:25 PM Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Kecele dengan workshop FOREX Dear All, Saya cuma mau mengingatkan bahwa selama tidak ada pihak yang mengajukan keberatan atau merasa dirugikan akan suatu tindakan pihak lain, maka tidak akan ada aksi pidana yang dapat dilakukan. Jika ada satu saja pihak yang telah mengeluarkan sejumlah dana dan mendapatkan produk yang tidak sesuai dengan harapan dan kenyataannya, maka pihak konsumen, dalam hal ini, dapat mengajukan tuntutan perdata. Tuntutan ini bisa berlanjut ke tuntutan pidana jika ternyata ada unsur-unsur penipuannya. Jadi, jika anda merasa telah dirugikan atau ditipu mentah-mentah, anda dapat mengajukan surat pengajuan protes atau keberatan ke pihak penyangga hukum terkait dengan penyelenggaraan seminar investasi ini. Hanya saja, wilayah ini masih abu-abu. Bisa saja masuk pengawasan Departemen Pendidikan karena bentuknya yang berupa seminar. Tetapi, mereka biasanya berkelit bahwa konsumen telah sadar betul akan isi daripada seminar tersebut dan tidak akan dapat mengajukan keberatan di kemudian hari. Sekarang, tinggal masyarakat yang harus pandai memilih antara seminar yang jualan kecap dan seminar yang benar-benar seminar. Salam, Iwan Budhiarta, MSi, MT, CFP(R), CWM Yayasan Lembaga Konsumen Surabaya Please find some valuable information of investment strategic on http://smartinvesto r.multiply. com --- Pada Sen, 20/10/08, Panda_Po [EMAIL PROTECTED] com menulis: Dari: Panda_Po [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Kecele dengan workshop FOREX Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Tanggal: Senin, 20 Oktober, 2008, 7:21 AM Untuk mengetahui dan sekaligus mengkonfirmasi rumor ini. rekan2 OB dapat meminta bukti berupa detailed statement yang berasal dari real account Hary Suwanda pada saat preview seminar forex Lumen Capital Resources. Atau untuk lebih memastikan lagi 100%, anda juga bisa meminta login password untuk investor mode (inget bukan demo account) pada real account trainer tersebut untuk melihat posisi-posisi yang ada pada accountnya. kemudian anda periksa hasil trading trainer tersebut minim selama 1 tahun kebelakang. apakah benar trainer tersebut telah sukses menerapkan suatu trading sistem ataupun EA(robot) yang digembor2kan. bila trainer tersebut tidak pernah memberikan hasil real account maupun posisinya secara live kepada peserta seminarnya. dapat dipastikan bahwa trainer tersebut hanyalah trainer abal-abal atau tukang jualan jamu yang tampan saja.. BTW : hari gini seminar masih laku ? Regards, Panda_Po --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Milis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In bsd-society@ yahoogroups. com, :-\) Willy Maringka wmaringka@ wrote: Saya dengan latar belakang pekerjaan banking di bidang forex, tertarik dengan iklan workshop forex yang diadakan oleh LCR, boleh dibilang iklannya adalah yang paling besar yang pernah saya lihat di beberapa media cetak disertai dengan foto CEOnya yang handsome karena tertarik dengan robot system yang dipromosikan, kira2 bulan april bersama kawan2 mendaftar untuk ikut workshop tersebut dengan biaya Rp.9,5 juta .. Dengan kepiawaiannya si CEO tersebut mengajarkan suatu cara untuk main forex dengan resiko nol, system yang disebut immortal. Ternyata cara tersebut bukanlah suatu ilmu baru, dan bukanlah suatu cara yang dapat diandalkan untuk jangka panjang, saya tidak tertarik, karena triknya
Re: [obrolan-bandar] suspend buy
Tunggu dana dari anda masuk kali boos 2008/10/21 Marselinus Sujoko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: mohon pencerahan dari para senior dan OB'ers, jika kena suspend buy tapi outstandingnya sudah dikembaliin ke sekuritas tapi kenapa suspend buy nya belum dibuka.Tq Dapatkan alamat Email baru Anda! Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan sebelum diambil orang lain!
Re: [obrolan-bandar] suspend buy
Sudah anya brokernya? 2008/10/21 OBELIX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tunggu dana dari anda masuk kali boos 2008/10/21 Marselinus Sujoko [EMAIL PROTECTED]ms_joli2005%40yahoo.co.id : mohon pencerahan dari para senior dan OB'ers, jika kena suspend buy tapi outstandingnya sudah dikembaliin ke sekuritas tapi kenapa suspend buy nya belum dibuka.Tq Dapatkan alamat Email baru Anda! Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan sebelum diambil orang lain!
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Pak JT, Postingan2 anda saya bilang 100% tidak ada yg negatif, malah membantu banyak newbie yg trading. Saya tidak tahu kenapa pak Pengamat Market keberatan atas postingan trading pribadi anda, say arasa sah2 saja...tanda alam? hehe Yah anggap lah postingan tersebut tidak ada, keep on posting as usual. Saya yakin 99% menyokong anda, yah normal lah kalo ada 1% yg tidak setuju. Namanya juga open forum... :-) Rei On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan..., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe.., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 /
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ?
Sulit dibayangkan...berarti dibukanya masih lam dong :-) Mending suspend terus saja deh, mengganggu ketenangan bursa saja nih... Banyak yg nungguin di 1000-1500 pak :-) Saya sih tetap nggak deh, banyak alternatif lain utk energi batubara selain Bumi. On 10/21/08, David Hartanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mungkin aja Pak Rei, karena suspennya tidak akan dibuka sebelum masalah repo sahamnya yang involve banyak pihak selesai. --- Pada Sel, 21/10/08, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: Dari: Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008, 10:52 AM Mungkinkah Bumi tidak AR bawah pas buka? Miracle dong... 2008/10/21 yashinto sembiring yashintosembiring@ yahoo.com Tiga saham Bakrie mulai merangsang adrelin... ini bisa jadi sebagai jawaban atas desakan sejumlah pemain (termasuk pejabat plus anggota DPR) agar saham BUMI tidak boleh AR ke bawah... kalo suspen dibuka --- On Mon, 10/20/08, budi zhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: budi zhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 8:40 PM Gerakan BTEL bener-bener gelok, Embah. 2008/10/21 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com __ Apakah Anda Yahoo!? Lelah menerima spam? Surat Yahoo! memiliki perlindungan terbaik terhadap spam http://id.mail.yahoo.com
[obrolan-bandar] ..... asing sudah net buy 90M
hari ini akhirnya asing netbuy lebih dari 90 miliar terdiri dari buy 436 miliar sell 455 miliar mudah2an terus net buy sebagai tanda trend naik
[obrolan-bandar] ..... asing sudah net buy 90M
hari ini akhirnya asing netbuy lebih dari 90 miliar terdiri dari buy 436 miliar sell 455 miliar mudah2an terus net buy sebagai tanda trend naik
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Dear Pak Rei saya tidak keberatansaya posting juga tidak ditujukan untuk pak JT... silahkan baca posting sy sebelumnya deh...sblm post yang ini semoga bisa memahami --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:34 PM Pak JT, Postingan2 anda saya bilang 100% tidak ada yg negatif, malah membantu banyak newbie yg trading. Saya tidak tahu kenapa pak Pengamat Market keberatan atas postingan trading pribadi anda, say arasa sah2 saja...tanda alam? hehe Yah anggap lah postingan tersebut tidak ada, keep on posting as usual. Saya yakin 99% menyokong anda, yah normal lah kalo ada 1% yg tidak setuju. Namanya juga open forum... :-) Rei On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan. .., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe. ., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or
[obrolan-bandar] ..... asing sudah net buy 90M
maaf salah sell nya 345 miliar hari ini akhirnya asing netbuy lebih dari 90 miliar terdiri dari buy 436 miliar sell 455 miliar mudah2an terus net buy sebagai tanda trend naik
RE: INCO - RE: [obrolan-bandar] TLKM - Intraday
INCO - Bearish Engulfing !! BUT posisinya di bawah trend dan di support level dengan VOLUME kecil., it's a GOOD signal !!., tapi jangan agresif dulu., tunggu konfirmasi besok !! Equis - Candlesticks Review of International Nickel Ind .Tbk (id;INCO) as of 21/10/2008 A black body occurred (because prices closed lower than they opened). During the past 10 bars, there have been 4 white candles and 4 black candles. During the past 50 bars, there have been 15 white candles and 28 black candles for a net of 13 black candles. An engulfing bearish line occurred (where a black candle's real body completely contains the previous white candle's real body). The engulfing bearish pattern is bearish during an uptrend. It then signifies that the momentum may be shifting from the bulls to the bears. If the engulfing bearish pattern occurs during a downtrend (which appears to be the case with International Nickel Ind .Tbk), it may be a last engulfing bottom which indicates a bullish reversal. The test to see if this is the case is if the next candle closes above the bottom the current (black) candle's real body. This commentary is not a recommendation to buy or sell, but rather a guideline to interpreting the specified indicators. This information should only be used by investors who are aware of the risk inherent in securities trading. Equis accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss arising from any use of this expert or its contents. inco.png From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JsxTrader Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:34 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: INCO - RE: [obrolan-bandar] TLKM - Intraday INCO test low lagi dgn vol kecil., kemarin gagal.., harusnya sdh mulai mental, jadi bisa SPEC BUY., BUT., ini bukan saran !!.., ini hanya mainan trader gokil.., karena kalau tutupnya dibawah 1800 anda HARUS CL !! not recommended.., tunggu mental aja, atau cari yg lain.. !! From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoLind Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:08 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] TLKM - Intraday HOW ABOUT INCO MR. JT PLEASE YOUR ADVISE RGDS JL No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM image002.png
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades
jangan dibilang pak pengamat market keberatan seperti yg sudah dilansir oleh pak pengamat market dia hanya membagi informasi atas buku yg dia baca.. karena pada dasarnya pak pengamat market juga ingin membagi ilmu / informasi hahahahaha biar diskusinya sehat --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pak JT, Postingan2 anda saya bilang 100% tidak ada yg negatif, malah membantu banyak newbie yg trading. Saya tidak tahu kenapa pak Pengamat Market keberatan atas postingan trading pribadi anda, say arasa sah2 saja...tanda alam? hehe Yah anggap lah postingan tersebut tidak ada, keep on posting as usual. Saya yakin 99% menyokong anda, yah normal lah kalo ada 1% yg tidak setuju. Namanya juga open forum... :-) Rei On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan..., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe.., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Pak JT Keep on posting. I learn a lot from you Regards On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan..., jadi ngga konsen nih…, sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan…hehehe…., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya…, karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya…, dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik – buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Richard Ropongi *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. -- *Dari:* Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Kepada:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Terkirim:* Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 *Topik:* RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com* wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader *From:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] *On Behalf Of *Pengamat Market *Sent:* 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM -- Yahoo! sekarang memiliki alamat Email baru http://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/mail/domainchoice/mail/signature/*http:/mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/ Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS - Intraday
Pak JT, saya ngak ngerti TA, tapi lihat UNTR ud 3 hari berturut2 AR kiri, jadi mau trading. secara TA boleh beli di brp jual di berapa. Thx --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pressure kuat kebawah.., jangan terlalu agresif.., kalau td posisi short.., boleh lah SIAP_SIAP cover short. tapi tunggu agak rendahan dikit. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JsxTrader Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 11:22 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS - Intraday Same as TLKM.., ada potensi koreksi.., saya ambil posisi short.., kalau dikasih will cover lower.. DISCLAIMER !! pgas.png No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
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Iya Positve Thinking saja Saling Mengingatkan sesama OB'ers I Love OB We All Do 2008/10/21, conx_2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: jangan dibilang pak pengamat market keberatan seperti yg sudah dilansir oleh pak pengamat market dia hanya membagi informasi atas buku yg dia baca.. karena pada dasarnya pak pengamat market juga ingin membagi ilmu / informasi hahahahaha biar diskusinya sehat --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pak JT, Postingan2 anda saya bilang 100% tidak ada yg negatif, malah membantu banyak newbie yg trading. Saya tidak tahu kenapa pak Pengamat Market keberatan atas postingan trading pribadi anda, say arasa sah2 saja...tanda alam? hehe Yah anggap lah postingan tersebut tidak ada, keep on posting as usual. Saya yakin 99% menyokong anda, yah normal lah kalo ada 1% yg tidak setuju. Namanya juga open forum... :-) Rei On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan..., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe.., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to
Re: [obrolan-bandar] ..... asing sudah net buy 90M
Artinya ada akrobat angka di running trade..jangan dipercaya... --- On Tue, 10/21/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] . asing sudah net buy 90M To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 8:50 AM Sell kok lebih banyak dibanding buy, artinya apa nih mbah? Tks - IbanPowered by Telkomsel BlackBerry®From: temanbaiksaja arifbandung@ yahoo.com Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:47:21 - To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] . asing sudah net buy 90M hari ini akhirnya asing netbuy lebih dari 90 miliar terdiri dari buy 436 miliar sell 455 miliar mudah2an terus net buy sebagai tanda trend naik
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A good lady once asked a young man: I wonder why the elderly and powerful people listen to you? How come? The young man replied: Be always honest with yourself, be always honest with God, be always honest to the people, and have always a sincere good and right intention. Then Allah will give you inspiration and power into your heart what to say, when to say and how to say whether it should be said openly(verbal) or secretly, through heart to heart. And they whose heart has been opened by God will listen and follow what you say even if you are just an ordinary child because the Divine inspiration and its power are within your heart. Just remember: be always honest and have always a sincere good and right intention. Then you can do it as I do. nambahin aja dikit --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:53 PM Bukan utk memperkeruh diskusi lho, maafkan deh kalo saya ada salah ngomong pak PM... 2008/10/21 conx_2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.au jangan dibilang pak pengamat market keberatan seperti yg sudah dilansir oleh pak pengamat market dia hanya membagi informasi atas buku yg dia baca.. karena pada dasarnya pak pengamat market juga ingin membagi ilmu / informasi hahahahaha biar diskusinya sehat --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Rei highwaystar91@ ... wrote: Pak JT, Postingan2 anda saya bilang 100% tidak ada yg negatif, malah membantu banyak newbie yg trading. Saya tidak tahu kenapa pak Pengamat Market keberatan atas postingan trading pribadi anda, say arasa sah2 saja...tanda alam? hehe Yah anggap lah postingan tersebut tidak ada, keep on posting as usual. Saya yakin 99% menyokong anda, yah normal lah kalo ada 1% yg tidak setuju. Namanya juga open forum... :-) Rei On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan. .., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe. ., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ ... Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader
Re: [obrolan-bandar] ada apa bank ekonomi, wings group?
Bisa di google atau baca di surat2 pembaca di media2 cetak maupun elektronik, demikian pula dengan ABN-AMRO. PyRiEL PyRiEL wrote: hsbc busuk? ohya? On 10/21/08, *Gambler.BEJ* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nama HSBC sudah busuk jadi mungkin mau pakai muka baru atau akusisi nasabah BAEK.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Betol Pak... Selain itu perlu disadari juga bahwa kita adalah sesame street (halah...sesama manusia kaliii...) walaupun tdk jarang juga kalo lagi senggang saya terbiasa memamah biak (hwadoh...jadi kambing donk:-p) Eh topiknya serius ya Maap...maap Tks Best Regards --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, indeks bei3000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iya Positve Thinking saja Saling Mengingatkan sesama OB'ers I Love OB We All Do 2008/10/21, conx_2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: jangan dibilang pak pengamat market keberatan seperti yg sudah dilansir oleh pak pengamat market dia hanya membagi informasi atas buku yg dia baca.. karena pada dasarnya pak pengamat market juga ingin membagi ilmu / informasi hahahahaha biar diskusinya sehat
[obrolan-bandar] take profit atau kabur ???
hari ini take profit normal atau siap2 kabur???
Re:Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Siklus Emosi Pasar
terima kasih pak infonya, rupanya regional mixed dan BEI keliatan dodolnya (koreksi dari plus 30 ke plus 10) ikut2an regional yg merah Hangseng -2.2% dan herannya yg koreksi bukan sektor banking, padahal isu minusnya sektok banking (walaupun saya yakin kebijakan banking sana ga ada hubungan dg yg di sini, yaitu isu forx, kecuali ada bank2 tertentu yg membackup transaksi forex derivatif secara 'ilegal'). Samapi sekarang saya masih ga ada niat utk terburu2, sejauh ini masih lumayan pak dg cara santai dan tidak rumit. saya udah kategorikan BEI ini anak tiri yg lemah mental pak, ga ada kepribadian, jadi safe trading aja dulu.. GBU salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Hanif Mantiq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *kang duren indikator ihsg yang agak erat kaitannya ada 3, pertama dow dan regional (yang ini udah mulai kelap kelip ijo), kedua rupiah dollar (yang ini juga mulai stabil melihat rentang jual dan belinya udah mulai normal dan harga tengahnya di 9.800) ketiga suku bunga sbi yang muadah mudaham mentok maksimum di 10%(yang ini juga lumayan karena inflasi tahun depan diprediksi 7% an, apalagi prediksi pemerintah yang asumsi inflasinya cuman 6%), tinggal nunggu rebound at the gate saja yang tidak tahu kapan soalnya banyak masalah pecicilan yang harus diselesaikan terutama masalah ... * Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Siklus Emosi Pasar Posted by: kangduren [EMAIL PROTECTED] kangduren Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:12 am (PDT) tambahan lagi liat regional dan indikator lain utk ambil, kadang2 tiap turun saya ambil, tapi kalo indikatornya 'aneh' banyak rumor bagus, mending saya AVOID. Terlambat 1-2 hari kalo naik bagi saya ga masalah, masih ada saham lain. Trading 1 minggu saat sekarang bisa dapat 10% ya bagus lah, yg penting masih bisa nikmatin hidup, hehehe... Memang kadang2 gemes juga kalo lagi diguyur, yang penting bisa ada 1-2 peluru, kalo ga ada lagi sih mending nyerah aja, AVOID. Saat bearish ga perlu takut ketinggalan kereta. salam --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, kangduren kangduren@ .. wrote: maaf saya terlambat baru balas, hehehe. kemarin2 (sekarang saya AVOID), saya ambil patokan new low (harga paling bawah sebelon rebound), kalau masih jauh dari new low (kalo sudah dekat 10-20% new low, dan lot saya dikit saya hold, toh kalo jeblos lagi saya masih bisa BUY), saya akan short (kalo saya telat jual), minggu lalu saya SOS (krn kebetulan naik). YG penting saya selalu megang cash (50%), lumayan hasilnya. salam __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ?
Agree 1000% Pak Rei, karena prinsip dasarnya kalau suatu perusahaan yang tumbuh sedemikian cepat, umumnya pasti ada yang tidak beres didalamnya. Tapi karena memang saat itu timing untuk komo sedang hebat2nya jadi memungkinkan untuk bisa bermanuver sedemikian rupa. He..he..he... ini namanya subprime versi Bumi. Info broker saya sih emang begitu, banyak yang minat dengan harga 1000an. --- Pada Sel, 21/10/08, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: Dari: Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008, 3:43 PM Sulit dibayangkan. ..berarti dibukanya masih lam dong :-) Mending suspend terus saja deh, mengganggu ketenangan bursa saja nih... Banyak yg nungguin di 1000-1500 pak :-) Saya sih tetap nggak deh, banyak alternatif lain utk energi batubara selain Bumi. On 10/21/08, David Hartanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] co.id wrote: Mungkin aja Pak Rei, karena suspennya tidak akan dibuka sebelum masalah repo sahamnya yang involve banyak pihak selesai. --- Pada Sel, 21/10/08, Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com menulis: Dari: Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Tanggal: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008, 10:52 AM Mungkinkah Bumi tidak AR bawah pas buka? Miracle dong... 2008/10/21 yashinto sembiring yashintosembiring@ yahoo.com Tiga saham Bakrie mulai merangsang adrelin... ini bisa jadi sebagai jawaban atas desakan sejumlah pemain (termasuk pejabat plus anggota DPR) agar saham BUMI tidak boleh AR ke bawah... kalo suspen dibuka --- On Mon, 10/20/08, budi zhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: budi zhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 8:40 PM Gerakan BTEL bener-bener gelok, Embah. 2008/10/21 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com _ _ _ _ __ Apakah Anda Yahoo!? Lelah menerima spam? Surat Yahoo! memiliki perlindungan terbaik terhadap spam http://id.mail. yahoo.com ___ Nama baru untuk Anda! Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di domain baru @ymail dan @rocketmail. Cepat sebelum diambil orang lain! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/
Re: OOT [obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Begini aja biar adil .. Pak JT kasih info Technical Analysis utk saham Lokal and Pak Kalipatulah kasih info Economic Indicator. karena yg gerakan market saat ini lebih cendrung efek dari negeri paman Sam n global economic reaction. T.A not really works on this situation so keep your eyes on CNBC and Global Economic Indicator. Rgds SAT - Original Message From: Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:57:33 PM Subject: Re:OOT [obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades A good lady once asked a young man: I wonder why the elderly and powerful people listen to you? How come? The young man replied: Be always honest with yourself, be always honest with God, be always honest to the people, and have always a sincere good and right intention. Then Allah will give you inspiration and power into your heart what to say, when to say and how to say whether it should be said openly(verbal) or secretly, through heart to heart. And they whose heart has been opened by God will listen and follow what you say even if you are just an ordinary child because the Divine inspiration and its power are within your heart. Just remember: be always honest and have always a sincere good and right intention. Then you can do it as I do. nambahin aja dikit --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com wrote: From: Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:53 PM Bukan utk memperkeruh diskusi lho, maafkan deh kalo saya ada salah ngomong pak PM... 2008/10/21 conx_2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.au jangan dibilang pak pengamat market keberatan seperti yg sudah dilansir oleh pak pengamat market dia hanya membagi informasi atas buku yg dia baca.. karena pada dasarnya pak pengamat market juga ingin membagi ilmu / informasi hahahahaha biar diskusinya sehat --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Rei highwaystar91@ ... wrote: Pak JT, Postingan2 anda saya bilang 100% tidak ada yg negatif, malah membantu banyak newbie yg trading. Saya tidak tahu kenapa pak Pengamat Market keberatan atas postingan trading pribadi anda, say arasa sah2 saja...tanda alam? hehe Yah anggap lah postingan tersebut tidak ada, keep on posting as usual. Saya yakin 99% menyokong anda, yah normal lah kalo ada 1% yg tidak setuju. Namanya juga open forum... :-) Rei On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan. .., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe. ., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak... Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ ... Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin
Re: [obrolan-bandar] take profit atau kabur ???
barang yg sy simpen kemarin, sy dah ngibrit hr ini sp fut minus, dow dah naik mayan banyak, tp bisa aja dow masi plus nanti. makin deket dgn hari H bumi dibuka,sy mending bersih bersih dulu Kidod25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hari ini take profit normal atau siap2 kabur???
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ?
Kita serahkan Bumi ke yang ahli2 deh...buat saya yg penting aman saja hehe --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, David Hartanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agree 1000% Pak Rei, karena prinsip dasarnya kalau suatu perusahaan yang tumbuh sedemikian cepat, umumnya pasti ada yang tidak beres didalamnya. Tapi karena memang saat itu timing untuk komo sedang hebat2nya jadi memungkinkan untuk bisa bermanuver sedemikian rupa. He..he..he... ini namanya subprime versi Bumi. Info broker saya sih emang begitu, banyak yang minat dengan harga 1000an. --- Pada Sel, 21/10/08, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: Dari: Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008, 3:43 PM Sulit dibayangkan. ..berarti dibukanya masih lam dong :-) Mending suspend terus saja deh, mengganggu ketenangan bursa saja nih... Banyak yg nungguin di 1000-1500 pak :-) Saya sih tetap nggak deh, banyak alternatif lain utk energi batubara selain Bumi. On 10/21/08, David Hartanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] co.id wrote: Mungkin aja Pak Rei, karena suspennya tidak akan dibuka sebelum masalah repo sahamnya yang involve banyak pihak selesai. --- Pada Sel, 21/10/08, Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com menulis: Dari: Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Tanggal: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008, 10:52 AM Mungkinkah Bumi tidak AR bawah pas buka? Miracle dong... 2008/10/21 yashinto sembiring yashintosembiring@ yahoo.com Tiga saham Bakrie mulai merangsang adrelin... ini bisa jadi sebagai jawaban atas desakan sejumlah pemain (termasuk pejabat plus anggota DPR) agar saham BUMI tidak boleh AR ke bawah... kalo suspen dibuka --- On Mon, 10/20/08, budi zhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: budi zhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 8:40 PM Gerakan BTEL bener-bener gelok, Embah. 2008/10/21 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com _ _ _ _ __ Apakah Anda Yahoo!? Lelah menerima spam? Surat Yahoo! memiliki perlindungan terbaik terhadap spam http://id.mail. yahoo.com __ _ Nama baru untuk Anda! Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di domain baru @ymail dan @rocketmail. Cepat sebelum diambil orang lain! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Bukan utk memperkeruh diskusi lho, maafkan deh kalo saya ada salah ngomong pak PM... 2008/10/21 conx_2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] jangan dibilang pak pengamat market keberatan seperti yg sudah dilansir oleh pak pengamat market dia hanya membagi informasi atas buku yg dia baca.. karena pada dasarnya pak pengamat market juga ingin membagi ilmu / informasi hahahahaha biar diskusinya sehat --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pak JT, Postingan2 anda saya bilang 100% tidak ada yg negatif, malah membantu banyak newbie yg trading. Saya tidak tahu kenapa pak Pengamat Market keberatan atas postingan trading pribadi anda, say arasa sah2 saja...tanda alam? hehe Yah anggap lah postingan tersebut tidak ada, keep on posting as usual. Saya yakin 99% menyokong anda, yah normal lah kalo ada 1% yg tidak setuju. Namanya juga open forum... :-) Rei On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan..., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe.., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to
Re: OOT [obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades
not realy work? are you sure? 2008/10/21 -sAThya- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Begini aja biar adil .. Pak JT kasih info Technical Analysis utk saham Lokal and Pak Kalipatulah kasih info Economic Indicator. karena yg gerakan market saat ini lebih cendrung efek dari negeri paman Sam n global economic reaction. T.A not really works on this situation so keep your eyes on CNBC and Global Economic Indicator. Rgds SAT - Original Message From: Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:57:33 PM Subject: Re:OOT [obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades A good lady once asked a young man: I wonder why the elderly and powerful people listen to you? How come? The young man replied: Be always honest with yourself, be always honest with God, be always honest to the people, and have always a sincere good and right intention. Then Allah will give you inspiration and power into your heart what to say, when to say and how to say whether it should be said openly(verbal) or secretly, through heart to heart. And they whose heart has been opened by God will listen and follow what you say even if you are just an ordinary child because the Divine inspiration and its power are within your heart. Just remember: be always honest and have always a sincere good and right intention. Then you can do it as I do. nambahin aja dikit --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com* wrote: From: Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:53 PM Bukan utk memperkeruh diskusi lho, maafkan deh kalo saya ada salah ngomong pak PM... 2008/10/21 conx_2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] jangan dibilang pak pengamat market keberatan seperti yg sudah dilansir oleh pak pengamat market dia hanya membagi informasi atas buku yg dia baca.. karena pada dasarnya pak pengamat market juga ingin membagi ilmu / informasi hahahahaha biar diskusinya sehat --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ ... wrote: Pak JT, Postingan2 anda saya bilang 100% tidak ada yg negatif, malah membantu banyak newbie yg trading. Saya tidak tahu kenapa pak Pengamat Market keberatan atas postingan trading pribadi anda, say arasa sah2 saja...tanda alam? hehe Yah anggap lah postingan tersebut tidak ada, keep on posting as usual. Saya yakin 99% menyokong anda, yah normal lah kalo ada 1% yg tidak setuju. Namanya juga open forum... :-) Rei On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan. .., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe. ., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat
Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Teori-teori yang disampaikan oleh Kalipatullah dari buku adalah ilmu, sharing.rasanya tidak ditujukan ke JsxTrader atau siapapun. Kebetulan, komentar-komentar muncul tentang JT, padahal bagi JT juga tak masalah, so silakan dukung JT dan tak perlu nyalahin Kalipatullah. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: he..he...he... gak ada yang sakit hati pak... sya cuman nulis apa yang saya baca dari buku...dan saya review sendiri dari pengalaman saya selama trading di beberapa market... Well saya sadar sepenuhnya posting ini pasti akan jadi kontroversi sama dengan di milis2 yang lain.. Sama dengan ketika penulis buku itu menulis juga. Tapi kalau kita mau melihat dari pengalaman kita masing2 pasti adaada hal-hal menarik yang bisa kita ambil.terkait dengan tulisan dari Mr Louise tersebut. Kita akan jadi belajar...kapan kita harus berbicara tentang suatu hal...dan kapan sebaiknya kita harus berdiam... Dalam kasus lain yang paling sederhana. Orang-orang sekaliber Soros juga tidak akan bercerita sembarangan tentang posisi dia di market. dan dia mo ngapain. Contoh yang paling kecil lagi Bakrie juga gk akan bilang ke kita si BUMI mo diapain lagi ama dia..dan ada permainan apa. Memang ada saatnya kita harus berdiam dan ada saatnya kita memang harus bercerita itu yang harus dipahami pak. Kalau kita cuman memahami tulisan itu dari sisi verbalnya saja...akan ada missing linknya pak. Sehingga seolah-olah dengan tulisan itu saya melarang tiap orang untuk ngobrol tentang posisi. Tapi sebenarnya yang ingin disampaikan adalah sederhana..Belajar kapan harus berbicara kapan harus diam...yang lebih jauh lagi adalah kita bisaterapkan when to enter...when to exit dan when to stop trading Konsep FAST Trader adalah konsep sederhana yang saya terapkan baik dalam trading maupun dalam kehidupan sehari2 http://www.trendtrader.co.cc/search/label/FAST%20Trader . --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, Richard Ropongi [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Richard Ropongi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 2:25 PM Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. -- *Dari:* Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ yahoo.com *Kepada:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com *Terkirim:* Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 *Topik:* RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com* wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader *From:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] *On Behalf Of *Pengamat Market *Sent:* 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ?
besok ada press con kan? dengernya sih bumi bakal lunasin semua hutang hutangnya, yg diprioritaskan investor local dulu lunasinnya juga langsung 100%, gak nyicil kok David Hartanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mungkin aja Pak Rei, karena suspennya tidak akan dibuka sebelum masalah repo sahamnya yang involve banyak pihak selesai. --- Pada Sel, 21/10/08, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: Dari: Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008, 10:52 AM Mungkinkah Bumi tidak AR bawah pas buka? Miracle dong... 2008/10/21 yashinto sembiring yashintosembiring@ yahoo.com Tiga saham Bakrie mulai merangsang adrelin... ini bisa jadi sebagai jawaban atas desakan sejumlah pemain (termasuk pejabat plus anggota DPR) agar saham BUMI tidak boleh AR ke bawah... kalo suspen dibuka --- On Mon, 10/20/08, budi zhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: budi zhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 8:40 PM Gerakan BTEL bener-bener gelok, Embah. 2008/10/21 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id Bisakah 3 saham Bakri AR kanan hari ini ? _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com __ Apakah Anda Yahoo!? Lelah menerima spam? Surat Yahoo! memiliki perlindungan terbaik terhadap spam http://id.mail.yahoo.com
[obrolan-bandar] Re: take profit atau kabur ???
Hari H-nya kapan pak Vincent? Kamis? Seru nih... Ntar paling molor lagi :-) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: barang yg sy simpen kemarin, sy dah ngibrit hr ini sp fut minus, dow dah naik mayan banyak, tp bisa aja dow masi plus nanti. makin deket dgn hari H bumi dibuka,sy mending bersih bersih dulu Kidod25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hari ini take profit normal atau siap2 kabur???
[obrolan-bandar] Re: ..... asing sudah net buy 90M
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sell kok lebih banyak dibanding buy, artinya apa nih mbah? Tks - Iban Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: temanbaiksaja [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:47:21 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] . asing sudah net buy 90M hari ini akhirnya asing netbuy lebih dari 90 miliar terdiri dari buy 436 miliar sell 455 miliar mudah2an terus net buy sebagai tanda trend naik maksud bung temanbaiksaja buy 436 miliar sell 345 miliar bener kan bung?
Re: [obrolan-bandar] ada apa bank ekonomi, wings group?
kalo bank sih kayanya ngga ya pak. tapi kalo kartu kredit sering tuh bikin promosi yg nipu (kaya cashback 100% tp ternyata cuma dikasih voucher kelipatan 100rb). trus sales kartu kreditnya yg suka maksa 2008/10/21 PyRiEL PyRiEL [EMAIL PROTECTED] hsbc busuk? ohya? On 10/21/08, Gambler.BEJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nama HSBC sudah busuk jadi mungkin mau pakai muka baru atau akusisi nasabah BAEK. Didit wrote: berita heboh kemarin: HSBC beli Bank Ekonomi Rahardja dari Wings group seharga hampir Rp6 trilliun. ada apa yah? atau tepatnya apa yang membuat Bank Ekonomi / Wings Group sampai jual ke HSBC? juga HSBC biasanya jarang beli / akuisisi, alias tumbuh organik? what change?
Re: [obrolan-bandar] ..... asing sudah net buy 90M (DATA MENURUT BEI)
Daily Trading Summary by Investor Type Pages:1 Printed:10/21/08 Date:10/21/2008 Description Foreign Investor Domestic InvestorTotal BUY: Volume 200,802,900 2,981,091,716 3,181,894,616 Value472,093,524,500 1,332,072,298,063 1,804,165,822,563 SELL: Volume 245,662,400 2,936,232,216 3,181,894,616 Value380,418,066,000 1,423,747,756,563 1,804,165,822,563 CHANGE: Volume -44,859,500 Value 91,675,458,500 PT Bursa Efek Indonesia Page 1 of 1 2008/10/21, Felicia Rumondor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Artinya ada akrobat angka di running trade..jangan dipercaya... --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] . asing sudah net buy 90M To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 8:50 AM Sell kok lebih banyak dibanding buy, artinya apa nih mbah? Tks - Iban Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry(R) -- *From*: temanbaiksaja arifbandung@ yahoo.com *Date*: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:47:21 - *To*: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com *Subject*: [obrolan-bandar] . asing sudah net buy 90M hari ini akhirnya asing netbuy lebih dari 90 miliar terdiri dari buy 436 miliar sell 455 miliar mudah2an terus net buy sebagai tanda trend naik
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Stop Telling People About Your Trades - Please tell us private
Saya sudah lihat postingan2 pak JT, hasil nya banyak yg Ok. Kalau memang mengganggu yg lain , mohon agar pak JT berkenan mengirimkan fortfolio harian by JAPRI . jadi yg ingin dikirimi portfolio harian oleh pak JT sebaiknya mendaftar dulu. Gimana pak JT boleh kan ? --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
Re: [obrolan-bandar] suspend buy
biasanya tunggu 3hari setelah dana anda masuk bos baru buka suspendnya.. =) 2008/10/21 OBELIX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tunggu dana dari anda masuk kali boos 2008/10/21 Marselinus Sujoko [EMAIL PROTECTED]ms_joli2005%40yahoo.co.id : mohon pencerahan dari para senior dan OB'ers, jika kena suspend buy tapi outstandingnya sudah dikembaliin ke sekuritas tapi kenapa suspend buy nya belum dibuka.Tq Dapatkan alamat Email baru Anda! Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan sebelum diambil orang lain!
[obrolan-bandar] Kok IHSG turun cuma sedikit?
Isu apalagi dari IHSG? Kok naiknya gak ngikut kakak-nya Nikkei, Eropa dan Dow Jones, malah mau ngikut saudara tiri HangSeng? Apa masih Bakrie? Siapa yang masih bisa jual Bakrie? Apa gak ngilu tuh cut loss-nya? Padahal kinerja fundamental masih pada bagus.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] take profit atau kabur ???
Mana bisa profit? sy baru cutloss ANTM.
[obrolan-bandar] Semen Gresik Optimistis
http://www.kompas.com/read/xml/2008/10/21/16212646/Semen.Gresik.Optimistis Kompas.com, Selasa, 21 Oktober 2008 | 16:21 WIB SEMARANG, SELASA - Pabrik baru PT Semen Gresik yang rencananya akan dibangun di Kecamatan Sukolilo, Pati, Jawa Tengah, diperkirakan mampu memenuhi sekitar 40 persen kebutuhan semen di provinsi ini. Direktur Utama PT Semen Gresik, Dwi Soetjipto, di Semarang, Selasa (21/10), mengatakan, pabrik baru PT semen Gresik ini rencananya mulai beroperasi pada tahun 2012. Melihat perkembangan ekonomi Jateng dengan perkiraan pertumbuhan ekonomi sekitar enam persen, kami mampu memenuhi 40 persen kebutuhan semen di provinsi ini yang mencapai empat juta ton per tahun, katanya. Pabrik baru ini, lanjut dia, memiliki kapasitas produksi sebesar 2,5 juta ton per tahun, yang merupakan pabrik PT Semen Gresik dengan kapasitas terbesar di Indonesia. Menurut dia, investasi yang dikucurkan dalam pembangunan pabrik ini mencapai Rp3 triliun. Ia mengatakan, saat ini tahapan pembangunan pabrik ini baru sampai pada tahap penyusunan analisis mengenai dampak lingkungan (amdal). Setelah disetujuinya amdal pembangunan pabrik seluas 1.400 ha ini, kata dia, tahapan pembangunan akan masuk pada proses pembebasan lahan. Seluruh operasional pabrik baru ini akan menggunakan teknologi terkini yang aman dan ramah lingkungan, katanya. XVD Sumber : Ant
[obrolan-bandar] SIAP SIAP ALIH PROFESI
Kalo liat market begini terus tiap hari selama 2-3 thn, para pelaku pasar modar akan banyak yg alih profesi, dari pada nganggur banyak pilihan u berusaha, jadi tukang ojek, jual siomay, bakso, gado2, wah pokoknya banyak d alumni broker, di wallstreet aja udah banyak yg menjadi penjual kue... yg penting halal dan tau cari duit itu susah.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
*Maksudnya apa ya, Pak PM ? Kalo mo polling, saya YAKIN : 99% mengharapkan Pak JT telling people about his trades ! karena postingan beliau sangat dinantikan oleh para Nyangkuters, Newbies,... dan mungkin juga para profesional. Dan saya YAKIN : 99% appreciate Pak JT for his generosity of sharing his skills in trading. so the results will be only 1% yang sakit hati ! So, Please don't discourage someone to do useful things to help others ! Keep on POSTED ! Pak JT, we are always on your side. Plus... what is the main purpose of OB anyway ? Gossiping ? Come on ! ... * On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: ..... asing sudah net buy 90M
Banya lagi di kempesin. Hati hati..=) -HA- On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:06 PM, ryan_181087 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sell kok lebih banyak dibanding buy, artinya apa nih mbah? Tks - Iban Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry(R) -Original Message- From: temanbaiksaja [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:47:21 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] . asing sudah net buy 90M hari ini akhirnya asing netbuy lebih dari 90 miliar terdiri dari buy 436 miliar sell 455 miliar mudah2an terus net buy sebagai tanda trend naik maksud bung temanbaiksaja buy 436 miliar sell 345 miliar bener kan bung?
Re: [obrolan-bandar] SIAP SIAP ALIH PROFESI
Ah...kau lae..jangan patah semangat ...kalo sudah jadi broker..apapun bisa dibroker in..kan sudah titisan dari sana nya lae...sebelom orang lain jadi Broker(calo)..nenek moyang kita sudah ngajarkan jadi Broker..gak percaya nya kau...boleh kau tanya sama Bang Manurung, atau Bang Sembiring., Bang Margomgom. peace lae 2008/10/21 willembarus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kalo liat market begini terus tiap hari selama 2-3 thn, para pelaku pasar modar akan banyak yg alih profesi, dari pada nganggur banyak pilihan u berusaha, jadi tukang ojek, jual siomay, bakso, gado2, wah pokoknya banyak d alumni broker, di wallstreet aja udah banyak yg menjadi penjual kue... yg penting halal dan tau cari duit itu susah.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] SIAP SIAP ALIH PROFESI
hahahaha... tetep semangat dong...intinya bersykur and musti kuat nunggu ampe perusahaan bangkrut truss di take over ama perusahaan lainsiapa tau dapet pesangon?? :) :p anyway, jualan kue ama siomay boleh juga tuh...hahahahaha --- On Tue, 10/21/08, willembarus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: willembarus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] SIAP SIAP ALIH PROFESI To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:33 AM Kalo liat market begini terus tiap hari selama 2-3 thn, para pelaku pasar modar akan banyak yg alih profesi, dari pada nganggur banyak pilihan u berusaha, jadi tukang ojek, jual siomay, bakso, gado2, wah pokoknya banyak d alumni broker, di wallstreet aja udah banyak yg menjadi penjual kue... yg penting halal dan tau cari duit itu susah. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[obrolan-bandar] Weekly Leader and Laggard (Senin + Selasa)
Weekly Leader and Laggard (Senin + Selasa) Gerakan BD hari ini membuat kita bingung... Tapi kalo kita lihat gabungan gerakan Senin+Selasa, arahnya lebih jelas yaitu: FINANCE + ENERGI + TELCO http://www.obrolanbandar.com/ZZIDSUMM.TXT
[obrolan-bandar] Re: ..... asing sudah net buy 90M
maaf salah udah dikoreksi kok sellnya 345 pada jam 4 kurang jadi setelah berhari2 asing jualan terus, akhirnya hari ini asing net buy (beli lebih bnayak dari jual sebesar 91 M) tapi banyak saham yg turun, artinya apa nih mbah? apakah take profit atau bd mau kabur? teman --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, indeks bei3000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Itu Bukannya Nett Sell ?? 2008/10/21, temanbaiksaja [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hari ini akhirnya asing netbuy lebih dari 90 miliar terdiri dari buy 436 miliar sell 455 miliar mudah2an terus net buy sebagai tanda trend naik
Re: [obrolan-bandar] SIAP SIAP ALIH PROFESI
bener lae...hahahaha..badai pasti berlalu...klo gak bisa broker-in equity lagi...koran , Aqua gelas, permen ama rokok masih bisa jadi commodities buat di broker-in bang willem...hahahhaa anyway...margomgom ise? santo margomgom? dokkon dohot jou jou...peace... --- On Tue, 10/21/08, OBELIX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: OBELIX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SIAP SIAP ALIH PROFESI To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 4:06 AM Ah...kau lae..jangan patah semangat ...kalo sudah jadi broker..apapun bisa dibroker in..kan sudah titisan dari sana nya lae...sebelom orang lain jadi Broker(calo) ..nenek moyang kita sudah ngajarkan jadi Broker..gak percaya nya kau...boleh kau tanya sama Bang Manurung, atau Bang Sembiring., Bang Margomgom. peace lae 2008/10/21 willembarus willembarus@ yahoo.com: Kalo liat market begini terus tiap hari selama 2-3 thn, para pelaku pasar modar akan banyak yg alih profesi, dari pada nganggur banyak pilihan u berusaha, jadi tukang ojek, jual siomay, bakso, gado2, wah pokoknya banyak d alumni broker, di wallstreet aja udah banyak yg menjadi penjual kue... yg penting halal dan tau cari duit itu susah.
