from:"Hoki Tralala"

05.03.2008
Piebalgs: Oil Prices Could Hit 200 USD By 2011


Oil prices could double from current record levels to reach $200/barrel by
2011, EU energy commissioner Andris Piebalgs said, calling on OPEC to do
more to reassure the market about long-term supply potential.

Piebalgs said there was no current shortage of supply on world markets, but
that OPEC needed to take more visible steps to show it could increase
production going forward.

The EU's top energy official said uncertainty over OPEC's ability to respond
to rising world demand for oil was behind the current high prices, which
touched a record $103/95/b in New York Monday.

The markets are very nervous. Prices are going mad because long term
guarantees are needed that OPEC has enough resources to respond to the
increase in world demand, Piebalgs said in the interview.

When I arrived at the European Commission in 2004, a barrel of oil cost
$52. In three years it has doubled. We cannot exclude that within three
years, in 2011, it could be at $200. What I am saying is, partly, a joke.
But we should not be surprised.

We cannot rule out the $200/b because in the last two years we have all
been completely wrong in thinking that what is now happening was impossible.
The companies, the International Energy Agency were wrong... When someone
said we would get to $80/b, and then they said $100/b, nobody thought they
were talking seriously. I remember that Goldman Sachs said it three years
ago, everybody took it as a joke, he said.

The only solution to get out of this situation is for OPEC to develop a
predictable and transparent long-term policy of investment and supply.

I hope that OPEC shows that we are not being left without oil. And that, in
the medium and long term, it is capable of increasing its production.

In the short term, OPEC ministers meeting in Vienna this week appear set to
leave current production limits unchanged for the time being, saying the
current high prices are not due to any fundamental shortage of oil.

Piebalgs expressed a similar view, saying OPEC need to tackle long-term
concerns rather than any short-term problems.

A small, timely increase in supply will not change prices because what is
true is that right now there is no scarcity in supply and refineries are
running at high levels. If everyone is investing in primary materials it is
because there is an expectation that prices will keep going up in the long
term, he said.

The official suggested OPEC should consider adopting a target range for oil
prices again, a policy it followed with some success in the early part of
this decade.

Setting a price band again, Piebalgs said, would show that the organization
with the biggest reserves is trying to influence the markets, which would be
very useful.

Piebalgs said current high oil prices were hurting oil consuming
countries. The consequence could be, depending on the country, weaker
economic growth or recession. Which is also unappealing for crude-producing
countries.

Source: Platts

[obrolan-bandar] AGE expects rise in coal imports

Thursday March 13, 2008http://www.google.com/
 *ENERGY*

*AGE expects rise in coal imports*

*YUTHANA PRAIWAN*

Asia Green Energy Co (AGE), a coal importer controlled by the Kok Huad Group
of the Kuansataporn family, expects bituminous coal import sales to rise at
least 50% this year to 1.56 billion baht. The company also expects coal
trading revenue to grow by 40% in the year ahead, managing director Panom
Kuansataporn said yesterday.

 Since 2004, the group has diversified away from biomass, in which it has 40
years of experience, into coal trading managed via wholly owned AGE.

 The firm's clients are mostly in the industrial sector, which was now
rising in line with the increasing number of manufacturers that want to
shift from fuel-oil to coal to cope with the surge in oil prices. He said
the group decided to shift from biomass as the market has been saturated for
the past few years and suffers from raw material constraints.

 The bituminous coal price is currently about 40% cheaper than oil prices,
which will help to alleviate the financial burden from rising production
costs in the manufacturing sector.

 Yesterday it signed a coal purchasing contract with CIF Trading Pte, an
Indonesian coal mine operator and trader, for three million tonnes delivered
from the beginning of 2008 through to 2010 from the mine in East Kalimantan.
The deliveries are worth seven billion baht in total. The contract gives the
company enough coal to supply its clients within two to three months. Last
month AGE signed another coal purchasing contract for 1.5 million tonnes.

 He said AGE was Thailand's fourth largest coal importer. It has a market
share of 2%; Banpu, Lanna group and Unique Mining together import about 98%
of the country's coal.

 Last year Thailand imported 40 billion baht worth of coal. AGE expects its
market share to rise to 5% this year.

 AGE aims to list on the Market for Alternative Investment (MAI) in the
second quarter, with Asset Pro Management (APM) as its financial adviser.

 APM chief executive Somphob Sakpunpanom said AGE expected to raise about
100 million baht. The proceeds will be used to upgrade coal processing
machinery at its port in Samut Sakhon and build a third coal yard.

 AGE has paid-up capital of 105 million baht, and it will increase to 150
million baht after the IPO.

[obrolan-bandar] Coal India, Reliance Industries eye venture-report

Coal India, Reliance Industries eye venture-report Sun Mar 9, 2008 11:53pm
EDT


MUMBAI, March 10 (Reuters) - Reliance Industries Ltd (RELI.BO:
Quotehttp://www.reuters.com/stocks/quote?symbol=RELI.BO,
Profile http://www.reuters.com/stocks/companyProfile?symbol=RELI.BO,
Research http://www.reuters.com/stocks/researchReports?symbol=RELI.BO) is
planning a joint venture with state-owned Coal India Ltd for the refiner's
proposed 80,000 barrel-per-day coal-to-liquid project, the Times of India
said on Monday.

The top brass of the two sides have already held a round of talks to flag
the areas of cooperation, the paper said, citing unnamed sources.

Reliance has sought coal mines with total reserves of 1,500 million tonnes
under the operational area of Mahanadi Coalfields, the paper said, adding
that a project of this size would require an investment of more than $5
billion.

A spokesman for Reliance Industries declined comment. (Reporting by Rina
Chandran; Editing by John Mair)

(c) Reuters 2008 All rights reserved

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: THERE IS NO MAJOR FUND REDEMPTION, JUST PANIC

Mbah,
berarti dua hari ini asing sudah masuk lagi ya Mbah. Kemarin kalau tidak
salah asing sudah mulai net buy BUMI. Tapi mengapa IHSG  dan BUMI masih
diguyur Mbah? Apakah Bozz tidak mengkuatirkan serangan balasan dari asing?

Salam dari newbie,
Andreas

2008/3/13 jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com,
 kang_ocoy_maen_saham
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  fortis sih januari net redemption, trus februarinya net
 subscription...
  maret skrg posisi indeksnya dibawah februari sih.,
 

 Coba bandingkan dengan gambar January dan February, cocok
 kan kang...

 Maret jelas redemption tapi DUA HARI TERAKHIR udah STABIL...

  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com,
 jsx_consultant
  jsx-consultant@ wrote:
  
   Dari analisa embah embah menyimpulkan:
  
   THERE IS NO MAJOR FUND REDEMPTION, JUST PANIC
  
   Lihat gambarnya:
   http://www.invest2000.net/ihsgflow.png
  
   Perhatikan LINGKARAN pada gambar:
  
   - Kemarin FUND INFLOW kecil, IHSG naik
   - Hari ini FUND OUTFLOW kecil, IHSG balik keasal.
  
   - Pergerakan index kemarin didorong oleh DJI yg
   naik 4%
   - Dan hari ini koreksi BALIK KEASAL..
  
   Jadi dua hari INI, praktis CAPITAL OUTFLOW
   adalah TIDAK MATERIAL. Ini adalah sentimen
   POSITIF DJI +4% dan PANIC SELLING hari ini
  
   TIDAK ADA SELLING BESAR BESARAN HARI INI,
   cuman FAKTOR SENTIMEN NEGATIF yg musti ditangani
   SEGERA oleh OTORITAS PASAR
  
   Kesimpulan:
   - THERE IS NO MAJOR FUND REDEMPTION, JUST PANIC
  
   Coba dicheck pada pengelola REKSADANA, embah yakin
   hari ini mereka TIDAK MELAKUKAN SELLING YG BESAR..
  
   OTORITAS PASAR HARUS SEGERA MENENANGKAN kepanikan INI...

Re: To kang Ocoy - Re: [obrolan-bandar] Harga wajar BUMI 4615-7364

Kang Ocoy,
saya mengusulkan sebaiknya kita menggunakan cash out tahun 2006. Saya terus
terang masih penasaran dengan harga wajar BUMI. Kalau menunggu LK resmi
keluar, kan sama aja boong Kang, nanti BUMI keburu naik/turun.


On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:10 PM, kang_ocoy_maen_saham 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 BIG-BIG THANKS BROTHERR... i promise info2 dr temen2 bakal saya olah
 dan di feedback lg ntar kalo lapkeu 07 buat base yearnya udah keluar..

 ngomong2 ini publikasi lapkeu pada lelet2 amat yah.. baru terima astra
 en aali doank, next BMRI senen baru RUPS...
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com,
 Adam Rajsha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 
  sekedar menambah info, untuk kang Ocoy.
 
  Untuk Arutmin, mining cost sekitar 18.56 USD/tons, ditambah cost2 lainya
  (fuel, barging, dsb), maka total cost sekitar USD 28.26/ton.
 
  aku rasa total cost untuk KPC akan lebih kecil, karena KPC lebih
 effiesien.
  mine site-nya ada dalam satu lokasi, jadi tidak ada cost untuk barging
  (sekitar USD 3.35) , S/R juga relatif lebih kecil dari rata2 tambang di
  Arutmin.
 
  semoga bermanfaat.
 
  salam,
  ar
 
 
  On 3/13/08, Forever Apprentice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   fifty (five zero) kali pak, bukan fifteen (one five). that
 sounds too
   good to be true UNLESS they plan to open a new block with very low
 stripping
   ratio. still 15 sounds too good to be true
  
   - Original Message 
   From: Andi Wahyudi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:37:29 PM
   Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Harga wajar BUMI 4615-7364 - Attn:
 Kang Ocoy
  
   Info yang saya dapat segitu Pak
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] com* wrote:
  
   Om Andi,
  
   15 USD/ton, sptnya terlalu kecil. Kalo melihat research ML, cash
 cost 2006
   sdh sekitar 27 – 28 USD/ton. Menurut pengetahuan saya pribadi,
 tahun 2006,
   di kpc biaya produksi (yg lebih kecil dari cash cost) sdh sekitar
 20-22
   USD/ton. Total produksi BUMI, 2/3nya dari kpc.
  
   --
   *From:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] *On Behalf Of *Andi Wahyudi
   *Sent:* Thursday, 13 March 2008 4:07 PM
   *To:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
   *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Harga wajar BUMI 4615-7364 - Attn:
 Kang Ocoy
  
   Kang Ocoy yang ganteng,
  
   Bocoran BUMI 2008:
   60% output BUMI akan dijual ke pasar kontrak. Spread harga 90-110
 USD/ton.
   40% ouput BUMI akan dijual ke pasar spot. Asumsi harga coal 2008
 berkisar
   130-150 USD/ton.
   Biaya produksi BUMI ga sampe 15 USD/ton.
  
   Kalau sudah selesai hitungan harga pantesnya... plizz di-share ke
 OB buat
   kepentingan member OB yang lain juga ya Kang
  
   *kang_ocoy_maen_ saham kang_ocoy_maen_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] com* wrote:
  
   4615-7364 rangenya jauh amat hehe... itu kemungkinan dari spread
 asumsi
   coalnya yg mungkin $60-$90 kisarannya.. .
  
   ya logisnya aja kali kira2 coalnya di berapa, yg mau logis di $60
   silahkan di $70 silahkan di $80silahkan di $90 silahkan.
  
   kalo emang harganya 4000 ngapain si BNBR bikin RI gede banget angkanya
   20 : 119 ato dengan kata lain dia bakal pengen ngimpun dana banyak
   banget buat beli saham2 targetnya.., supaya dapetnya banyak...
  
   ya kalo mikir bandar2an sih kali2 aja yg pegang BUMI ato UNSP ato ELTY
   yg kebetulan Bakrie Related jg butuh dana gede buat eksekusi RInya di
   BNBR., sekaligus nurunin dulu harga pricing si target-targetnya tadi.,
   beli murah trus kekep lagi ntar baru dibandarin lagi. pindah kantong
   kiri - kantong kanan aja. kenapa engga?? kali pikirnya mereka
   begitu.. two bird by one stone., kalo bisa en sanggup kenapa engga...
   toh gw tau nilainya dan strategi ke depannya (kata mereka)., masalah
   harga sekarang dan 6 bulan kedepan mah nanti gimana trik-trikkan
 sulap-
   sulipnya dehh.. hehehehehe, biasa dahh... namanya juga master-master
   akrobat sulap2an...

[obrolan-bandar] DJI: Basic resources rebound dlm 2 hari terakhir

Meskipun belakangan ini DJI terus dilanda kecemasan, tetapi saham basic
resources di NYSE sudah mengalami kenaikan berturut-turut dalam 2 hari
terakhir setelah beberapa hari sebelumnya mengalami penurunan cukup tajam.
Berikut data kenaikan saham-saham tersebut dalam 2 hari terakhir:

Exxon +4.9%
Freeport +7.4%
BHP Biliton +4.5%
Rio Tinto +4.3%
Alcoa 8.5%
Newmont 2.4%
BP +3.1%
Conoco Philip +1.3%
United States Oil: Bullish sejak 5 Februari

Mbah, tanda apakah ini?

Salam dari newbie,
Andreas

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: dow jones rebound jam 11 malam nich

Pak Pemain,
DJI boleh saja jatuh tapi saham basic resources seperti pertambangan dan
minyak seperti yang saya contohkan tadi tetap saja mengalami rally ke atas
hari Kamis ini. Mungkin bisa dilihat running trade Freeport, Exxon, dsb 13
Maret ini. Seharusnya BEI juga begitu ya atau lagi-lagi BOZZ salah mengambil
posisi?

Bagaimana Mbah penerawangan Anda?

Salam newbie,
Andreas

2008/3/13 pemainedan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   retail sales -0.6% vs. +0.2% estimate. ini sangat jelek.

 mungkin jd bikin org mikir, ini sebuah tekanan thd The FED. jd
 probability turunin bunga atau bahkan emergency rate cut menjadi
 besar.


 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com,
 boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  ada berita apa yah?
  ada yang tau ?
 
  kok kayaknya banyakan bad news dibanding good news,
  but magically, dow rebound ...
 
  :D
 
  sweet dream, deh ..
 
 
  salam,

[obrolan-bandar] Harga Minyak Akan Menembus $300 Jika AS Serang Iran

13/03/08 12:33
Harga Minyak Akan Menembus $300 Jika AS Serang Iran
Amman (ANTARA News) - Menteri Energi Qatar, Abdullah bin Hamad al-Attiyah,
Rabu, memperingatkan bahwa harga minyak mentah akan mencapai 300 dolar per
barel atau bahkan lebih jika Amerika Serikat menyerang Iran.

Namun al-Attiyah mengatakan kepada jaringan satelit Al-Jazeera yang
bermarkas di Doha, bahwa dia secara pribadi 'berada di luar skenario ini,'
karena Presiden AS George W. Bush hanya mempunyai sedikit waktu sebelum
meninggalkan Gedung Putih.

Dalam kasus jika Bush memutuskan mengancam menyerang Iran, harga minyak
mungkin akan melonjak ke tingkat yang tidak pernah terjadi sebelumnya,
mungkin sampai 200 atau bahkan 300 dolar, atau bahkan lebih atau kurang dari
itu, kata menteri Qatar itu.

Meskipun pihaknya menolak memutuskan suatu opsi militer, namun pemerintahan
Bush secara teratur mengatakan bahwa pihaknya tidak punya rencana untuk
menyerang Iran, manakala negaranya berkonfrontasi dengan negara Islam yang
dituduh menjalankan program nuklir itu.

Al-Attiyah juga mengaitkan rekor kenaikan harga minyak saat ini dengan
`ketegangan-ketegangan politik dan spekulasi kelangkaan suplai minyak` pada
beberapa bulan lalu.

Bush mendesak Perhimpunan Negara-negara Penghasil Minyak (OPEC) untuk
meningkatkan produksinya. Ia mengatakan bahwa tingginya harga minyak adalah
bagian dari upaya untuk memperlambat ekonomi AS. Harga minyak mentah naik di
atas 110 dolar per barel untuk pertama kalinya terjadi di bursa perdagangan
New York, Rabu.

OPEC beranggotakan 13 negara termasuk empat negara Arab di kawasan Teluk,
yakni Qatar, Arab Saudi, Kuwait dan Uni Emirat Arab.

Al-Attiyah mengatakan, OPEC tidak berencana akan mengalihkan dari harga
minyak mentah dalam dolar, meskipun mata uang AS jatuh ke tingkat yang
berlawanan dengan euro dan nilai tukar lain di tengah-tengah melambatnya
pertumbuhan ekonominya, kecuali jika disetujui oleh semua negara penghasil
minyak.

Anggota-anggota OPEC mengeskpor hanya 40 persen dari kebutuhan minyak dunia
setiap hari atau setara dengan sekitar 85 juta barel per hari. Semua
produser minyak dunia seyogianya sepakat mengenai penggantian kepada nilai
tukar lain dan itu akan segera diberlakukan, ujarnya, seperti dukutip DPA.
(*)

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI: Auf Deutsch

Pak Andi,
jangan menyerah, kita bukan Tuhan. Saya mencatat beberapa info Pak Andi
masih layak dikoleksi.

11 Maret siang (2 hari lalu) Pak Andi sudah cash 0%.
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/65798
Malamnya, 11 Maret saham basic resources DJI mulai rally ke atas.

12 Maret Pak Andi menulis kalau Rabu 12 Maret DJI akan hijau atau merah
tipis
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/66040
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/66046
Kenyataannya memang merah tipis. Memang benar, tidak masuk akal kalau barang
dibuang. Yang ada sebaiknya lomba panjat pinang karena pengumuman The Fed
bisa sewaktu-waktu.

Saya ada pertanyaan. Pak Andi juga menulis supaya EL kembali Mei/Juni besok.
Bearish ya?

Salam dari newbie,
Andreas

2008/3/13 Odink [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   Hehee ngapain takut salah
 Namanya jg manusia, salah itu biasa. Yg gak pernah salah cuma yg gak
 pernah kasih rekomendasi


 -Original Message-
 From: Andi Wahyudi [EMAIL PROTECTED]andi_wahyudi2000%40yahoo.com
 
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 15:48
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com 
 obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI: Auf Deutsch

 Maaf Pak tapi saya takut salah nich

 Kalau mau membeli BUMI, mungkin sebaiknya menunggu kalau Hammer-nya muncul
 gimana?

 DISC.ON Maklum takut kualat kalau ngasih komentar yang salah

 Dedy Sutendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] finaleone%40gmail.com wrote: Pak
 Andi,

 Kalau bole tau berapa target price BUMI dec 2008 menurut bapak?
 Trims.

 Regards,

 On 3/13/08, swan silo [EMAIL PROTECTED] swan_groups%40yahoo.com
 wrote:
  apa artinya tuh semua?diterjemahin dongbiar org pada
 ngerti

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: dow jones rebound jam 11 malam nich

DJI:
Energy stocks mulai rally. Hati-hati jangan sampai ketinggalan kereta
EOG jam 2 pagi WIB sudah naik 6%

Aneh memang, start point untuk semua saham basic resources. SEMUA mulai di
tanggal yang sama, yaitu 11 Maret. Kalau boleh dibilang kebetulan kok ya
kebetulan sekali. Sepertinya SUPER BOZZ mulai mengincar saham basic
resources per 11 Maret.

Saham energi dan basic resources di BEI ternyata malah masih tidur.

2008/3/13 boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   SuperBOZZ in action.

 jam 12:37 WIB all green (DJIA, SP, Nasdaq).
 Bukan sulap bukan sihir.

 salam,

 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com,
 pemainedan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 
  retail sales -0.6% vs. +0.2% estimate. ini sangat jelek.
 
  mungkin jd bikin org mikir, ini sebuah tekanan thd The FED. jd
  probability turunin bunga atau bahkan emergency rate cut menjadi
  besar.
 
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com,
 boyz m4573rs@ wrote:
  
   ada berita apa yah?
   ada yang tau ?
  
   kok kayaknya banyakan bad news dibanding good news,
   but magically, dow rebound ...
  
   :D
  
   sweet dream, deh ..
  
  
   salam,
  
  
  
  
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com,
 Aiko DeAndre
   aikodeandre@ wrote:
   
rebound ahhh.. bentar lagi hijau . berdoa aja.

[obrolan-bandar] China: The new colonialists

China: The new colonialists

Mar 13th 2008
From *The Economist* print edition
China's hunger for natural resources is causing more problems at home than
abroad

THERE is no exaggerating China's hunger for commodities. The country
accounts for about a fifth of the world's population, yet it gobbles up more
than half of the world's pork, half of its cement, a third of its steel and
over a quarter of its aluminium. It is spending 35 times as much on imports
of soya beans and crude oil as it did in 1999, and 23 times as much
importing copper—indeed, China has swallowed over four-fifths of the
increase in the world's copper supply since 2000.

What is more, China is getting ever hungrier. Although consumption of petrol
is falling in America, the oil price is setting new records, because demand
from China and other developing economies is still on the rise. The
International Energy Agency expects China's imports of oil to triple by
2030. Chinese demand for raw materials of all sorts is growing so fast and
creating such a bonanza for farmers, miners and oilmen that phrases such as
bull market or cyclical expansion do not seem to do it justice (see special
report http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10795714).
Instead, bankers have coined a new word: supercycle.
   Not all observers, however, think that China's unstinting appetite for
commodities is super. The most common complaint centres on foreign policy.
In its drive to secure reliable supplies of raw materials, it is said, China
is coddling dictators, despoiling poor countries and undermining Western
efforts to spread democracy and prosperity. America and Europe, the
shrillest voices say, are losing Africa and Latin America.

This argument ignores the benefits that China's commodities binge brings,
not only to poor countries, but also to some rich ones, such as Australia.
The economies of Africa and Latin America have never grown so fast. That
growth, in turn, is likely to lift more people out of poverty than the
West's faltering aid schemes. Moreover, China is not the only country to
prop up brutish regimes. Witness the French troops scattered around Africa,
some of whom recently delivered a shipment of Libyan arms to Chad's
embattled strongman, Idriss Déby.
A new nuance

China could—and should—use its influence to curb the nastiest of its
friends, including the governments of Sudan and Myanmar. And it is beginning
to do so. It has ceased to resist the deployment of United Nations
peacekeepers in Darfur, and is even sending some of its own military
engineers to join the force. Wen Jiabao, China's prime minister, has called
publicly for democracy in Myanmar—which, even though Chinese officials'
understanding of democracy is different to Westerners', is a bold step for a
government that claims not to meddle in other countries' internal affairs.
The more business China does with the rest of the world, the more nuanced
its foreign policy is likely to become.

Still, China's hunger for natural resources is creating plenty of problems.
Most of them, though, are in China, not abroad.

China is hoovering up ever more commodities not just because its economy is
growing so quickly, but also because that growth is concentrated in
industries that use lots of resources. Over the past few years, there has
been a marked shift from light manufacturing to heavy industry. So for each
unit of output, China now consumes more raw materials.

That may sound like a minor change, but the implications are dramatic. For
one thing, it has encouraged the sort of foreign entanglements that are now
causing China such embarrassment. More worryingly, it is compounding China's
already grim pollution. Heavy industry requires huge amounts of power.
Steelmaking, for example, uses 16% of China's power, compared with 10% for
all the country's households combined. By far the most common fuel for power
generation is coal. So more steel mills and chemical plants mean more acid
rain and smog, not to mention global warming.

These are not just inconveniences, but also an enormous drag on society.
Each year, they make millions sick, cause hundreds of thousands of premature
deaths, sap agricultural yields and so on. Pan Yue, a deputy minister at the
government's environmental watchdog, believes that the costs inflicted by
pollution each year amount to some 10% of GDP.
No fire without smoke

It is no wonder, then, that pollution is the cause of ever more protests and
demonstrations. There were some 60,000 in 2006 alone, by the authorities'
own count. Some are led not by impotent peasants but by well-organised
burghers from Shanghai and Xiamen, a development that must horrify China's
rulers. And the potential for even more disruptive environmental crises is
great: northern China is already running out of water, and the glaciers that
feed its dwindling rivers are melting, thanks to global warming.

The government is aware of these problems, and is trying to address them
(see

[obrolan-bandar] Asian Markets Tumble On Renewed Global Credit Worries, Record Crude Prices

*Asian Markets Tumble On Renewed Global Credit Worries, Record Crude Prices
[]*

3/13/2008 6:18:58 AM Stock markets across Asia-Pacific region plunged
Thursday, with India and Hong Kong leading the selloff, on record oil
prices, continued weakness in U.S. dollar and renewed global credit
concerns. Losses widened in the afternoon session on news that the
London-based fund Carlyle Capital Corp expects its creditors to seize all of
the fund's remaining assets following unsuccessful negotiations to prevent
its liquidation.

Japan's Nikkei 225 index closed down 427.69 points or 3.33% at 12,433.44.
The broader Topix index of all First Section issues on the Tokyo Stock
Exchange lost 39.26 points or 3.13% to finish at 1,215.87.

At 4:22 p.m. local time, the dollar was quoted at 100.37-100.38, down
2.70yen from Wednesday's 5:00
p.m. quotes of 103.07-103.09 yen.

On the economic front, data released by the Ministry of Finance showed that
foreign investors were net buyers of Japanese bonds, but turned net sellers
of Japanese stocks last week. Japanese investors were net buyers of foreign
stocks and bonds.

The Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry revised the fall in Japan's
industrial output to a seasonally adjusted 2.2% on month in January from the
2% decline reported earlier.

The number of condominium units put up for sale in the Tokyo area decreased
28% year-on-year to 3,460 in February, the Japan Real Estate Economic
Institute said. In January, sales were down 19.1%.

Stocks fell across the board, declining for the first time in three trading
days.

Among export-oriented stocks, Toyota Motor plunged 2.96%, Honda Motor
plummeted 4.23%, Komatsu dropped 0.95% and Sony shed 4.02%.

Financial stocks fell, with Mizuho Financial Group tumbling 6.78%,
Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group plunging 6.84% and Sumitomo Mitsui Financial
Group slumped 7.25%.

TD Holdings tumbled 8.01% and Millea Holdings fell 5.13%. Top brokerage
Nomura Holdings lost 3.78%.

However, commodity-related stocks rose, as crude futures surged to a new
record high. Inpex Holdings jumped 5.08% and Showa Shell climbed 3.19%.
Mitsui added 1.11% and Marubeni edged up 0.70%.

Toshiba fell 1.91% after the Nikkei newspaper reported that the electronics
the giant is expected to incur losses of approximately 100 billion yen this
year as it shuts down its HD DVD business.

South Korea's KOSPI index closed down 43.21 points or 2.6% at 1,615.62.

In currency trading, the U.S. dollar closed at 982.4 won, up from
Wednesday's close of 971.3 won.

Heavy industry stocks fell sharply on growing fears that China might take
fresh tightening measures to curb inflation. Hyundai Heavy slumped 4.9%,
Doosan Heavy fell 3.9%, Samsung Heavy lost 3.4% and Daewoo Shipbuilding 
Marine Engineering plunged 5.5%.

POSCO tumbled 6.2% due to fears that a weaker won would boost its import
bills for raw materials.

LG Display plummeted 8.8% on news that its key shareholder, Royal Philips
Electronics NV, sold 6.7% of LG Display shares for net proceeds of around
680 million euro in a capital markets transaction.

Korean Air fell 8.3%, on worries about higher fuel costs.

China's benchmark Shanghai Composite index closed down 98.86 points or
2.43%at 3,
971.26.

On the economic front, official data showed that Chinese industrial
production growth slowed in the first two months of 2008. The National
Bureau of Statistics indicated that industrial output grew at slower pace of
15.4% year-on-year in the two months to February compared with 17.4% in
December.

China Southern Airlines tumbled 9.98%, Air China fell 7.20% and China
Eastern Airlines plunged 8.29%. Beiqi Foton Motor shed 6.31%, while FAW Car
lost 5.08% and Changan Automobile dropped 5.83%.

China Petroleum  Chemical or Sinopec lost 2.78% after 21st Century Business
Herald reported that the company booked a profit of 1 billion yuan in
January 2008, well off the levels reported in 2006 and 2007. The newspaper
also said that the refiner may suffer loss in the first and second quarters.
PetroChina closed down 1.86%.

Liquor maker Kweichow Moutai added 0.21% after 2007 net profit rose 83.25%,
Tuopai Yeast Liquor (SHA 600702) shed 6.84% and Tsingtao Brewery fell 6.44%.

However, coal producers rose for the third consecutive session on higher
prices. China Shenhua Energy jumped 3.92%, China Coal Energy rose 4.80% and
Yanzhou Coal Mining advanced 3.80%.

Australia's benchmark SP/ASX 200 index closed down 122.0 points or 2.3% at
5,135.9 and the broader All Ordinaries index lost 118.4 points or 2.2% to
finish at 5,215.7. At close, the SP/ASX 200 March futures contract was down
92 points at 5,135.

The Australian dollar closed firmer as the lowest jobless data in 33 years
sparked a buying spree. The local unit closed at US$0.9349-0.9353, up from
Wednesday's close of US$0.9323-0.9328.

On the economic front, the employment situation in Australia improved more
than expected in February. The Australian Bureau of Statistics reported that
the number

[obrolan-bandar] Backgrounder: Oil resources in China

 Backgrounder: Oil resources in China


  www.chinaview.cn http://www.chinaview.cn/index.htm *2008-03-13 21:34:14*
  http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/13/content_7784426.htm#
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/13/content_7784426.htm#
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BEIJING, March 13 (Xinhua) -- China has announced a creation of a
high-level body to integrate its energy management supervision and policies,
functions that are currently dispersed among many government agencies.

Below is basic information about oil resources in China.

China's output of crude oil was 186.7 million tons last year, up
1.6percent from 2006, while that of natural gas reached
69.31 billion cubic meters, up 23.1 percent, according to the China
Petroleum and Chemical Industry Association.

In 2007, China's imports of crude oil rose 12.4 percent to 160 million
tons, according to China Customs figures.

Sinopec and PetroChina, the country's leading oil producers, accounted
for two thirds of the total imports.

Last year, China refined 326.79 million tons of crude oil, up
6.4percent from 2006. Output of refined products -- gasoline, diesel
and
kerosene -- was 195 million tons, up 7.2 percent.

Deng Yusong, a research member of the Development Research Center of the
State Council, predicted that China's oil consumption would continue to grow
in 2008, with domestic crude oil output growth of 1-2 percent.

Sinopec produced 291.67 million barrels of crude oil in 2007, up
2.27percent from 2006. PetroChina, the country's largest oil producer,
had an
output of oil and natural gas of 828 million barrels of oil equivalent in
the first three quarters of 2007, up 4.3 percent year-on-year.

China raised domestic oil prices last November and asked state-owned oil
giants to import oil and give orders to local refineries.

Meanwhile, the government extended subsidies to refineries to cover the
losses they incurred by selling oil at state-fixed prices. Government
subsidies to Sinopec, the nation's largest oil refiner, reached 10 billion
yuan in 2005 and 5 billion yuan in 2006. Sinopec reportedly received further
subsidies in 2007.

The situation highlighted the importance of the strategic oil reserve
program, which started in 2004. The reserve program was designed to offset
oil supply risk and reduce the impact of fluctuating energy prices worldwide
on China's domestic market for refined oil. The first national oil reserve
base under the program was filled as of early December.

In 2007, China announced its biggest discovery of an oilfield in four
decades, with reserves of 1 billion tons, or about 7.35 billion barrels.

[obrolan-bandar] Energy agency calls meeting on rocketing oil

OIL AND GAS
Energy agency calls meeting on rocketing oil Special closed-door IEA session
to probe into 'disconnect' between fundamentals and record crude prices

SHAWN MCCARTHY

GLOBAL ENERGY REPORTER; With files from Financial Times and AFP

March 13, 2008

OTTAWA -- After fruitlessly urging OPEC to boost production to ease red-hot
oil prices, the International Energy Agency is now convening a closed-door
session with market experts to determine whether supply and demand
fundamentals are actually responsible for record crude prices.

The Paris-based group - which represents the world's industrialized energy
consumers - confirmed yesterday that it will bring in financial and oil
trading experts, as well as executives from the production and refining
companies, to discuss the recent string of record-setting price hikes.

Simon Wardell, a London-based analyst with Global Insight Inc., said the IEA
normally steers clear of discussing prices, except for its now-routine call
for the members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries to
increase supply in order to ease the pressure on energy-consuming countries.

It suggests there is quite a bit of concern about record crude prices, Mr.
Wardell said. Their focus is clearly going to be on the disconnect between
the fundamentals and the recent price movements.

On the New York Mercantile Exchange yesterday, crude prices closed at
$109.92 (U.S.) a barrel, up $1.17 on the day, after hitting a fresh high of
$110.52. That's up 87 per cent from a year ago.

Many analysts back OPEC's claim that the world market is reasonably well
supplied with crude oil, with little difference from the situation a year
ago. They argue that the recent surge in prices is less related to supply
and demand, and has more to do with financial investors piling into oil and
other commodities to hedge against a declining U.S. dollar and rising
inflation.

The talks, to be held Monday in Paris, highlight concern among rich
countries' policy makers about the causes of the recent oil price rises and
its implications for inflation and monetary policy, reported Britain's
Financial Times, which broke the news of the unusual session. Canada, which
is a member of the group, will send a representative, a government official
said yesterday.

Following the large flows of money into hedge funds and commodity index
funds since 2003, there is concern that the oil price no longer retains its
role as the best leading indicator of market conditions, the IEA said in a
document setting out the agenda for the meeting, which was obtained by the
Financial Times.

However, the IEA - and some analysts - have pointed to the high cost of
finding and replacing reserves as a key driver of higher oil prices, along
with strong demand from emerging economies like China and the Middle East.

The agency warned this week that only a severe world recession would send
oil below $60 a barrel for a sustained period. Oil has climbed from below
$20 in early 2002.

We are in an era of higher oil prices, and so if we look at $100 oil, we
have to do so with an understanding that prices are unlikely to return to
levels seen in the early part of this decade, it said.

[obrolan-bandar] Chinese coal exports in February down by 28% YoY

March 13,2008

Chinese coal exports in February down by 28% YoY According to the latest
statistics from China Customs show China exported 3 million tonnes of coal
in February valued at USD 226.064 million down by 28% YoY and 28.9% YoY
respectively from last year. Total export volume during the first two months
amounted to 8.75 million tonnes up by 13.5% YoY.

An analyst said that figures in February indicated a prosperous export
market in this year. Due to the price gap of CNY 200 per tonne, China's
export volume of coal would stay on a high track in February if exports were
not restricted. The volume may increase in the future if domestic price fail
to rise.

National Development and Reform Commission has said in a report that China
would be a net coal importer in 2008. Effective coal supply will increase
mildly as railway transport capacity will grow modestly. Coal import volume
is expected to climb slightly in this year.

In the meanwhile overseas customers are decreasingly depending on Chinese
resources. Korea Electric Power Corp has planed to boost coal imports by 15%
this year, with a trebling in shipments from South Africa more than
offsetting lower Chinese supplies. It has also said it had already
contracted to buy about 91% of its expected demand, a big shift from last
year when annual deals covered only 76% of imports.

(Sourced from MySteel.net)

[obrolan-bandar] Coal seller joins the price increase race

Coal seller joins the price increase race11:45' 13/03/2008 (GMT+7)

*VietNamNet Bridge – Four VIPs, the Electric company of Vietnam (EVN), the
Vietnam Cement Corporation (VCC), Vietnam Chemical Corporation (Vinachem),
and Vietnam Paper Corporation are now scared stiff as the Vietnam Coal and
Mining Industries Group (Vinacomin) has announced a raise in the coal price
as of July 1, 2008.*

* *

After EVN announced a raise in electricity prices by 8.62% on average as of
July 1, 2008, Vinacomin also threatened to raise the coal prices applied to
four biggest coal consumers.



In fact, the coal prices applied to the four consumers have been raised by
20-70% over the previous levels. However, the new prices are still 20-30%
lower than the prices at which Vinacomin sell to other domestic consumers,
and just equal to 50% of the export prices.



*Price increase plan*

* *

Vinacomin plans to raise the coal sale prices again to make the prices
closer to the market levels. The coal price applied to EVN will increase in
accordance with the electricity price increase. This means that as of July
1, 2007, if the electricity price increases, Vinacomin will also
automatically adjust the coal sales price.



According to Doan Van Kien, Chairman of the Management Board of Vinacomin,
the coal sale price increase is inevitable, which aims to implement the
Government's instruction that the coal sale price must be set at reasonable
levels, which truly reflects the real coal production cost.



However, in the recent meeting with Vinacomin, representatives from
chemical, paper, cement industries and EVN all expressed their concerns over
the possible production cost increases of the industries if the coal price
increases.



Ha Bac Fertiliser Company, for example, plans to put out 173,500 tonnes of
urea this year. As the coal price is expected to rise by 46%, the total
production cost for the 173,500 tonnes of fertiliser will increase by
VND77bil. The Van Dien Phosphate Company has estimated that the production
cost for one tonne of fertilizer will increase by VND153,860/tonne, which
will make the company spend VND42bil more to fulfill its production plan.



*Domino effects*



Hoang Manh Tien, Head of the Planning and Investment Division of Vinachem
said that fertilizer producers will not be able to contend with the coal
price increase, and they will have to raise the sale prices of fertilizer.



Once the fertilizer price increases, the prices of farm produce will
increase likewise.



Other corporations have also confirmed that they will raise the sale prices
of products once Vinacomin applies the new prices.



As the price of coal sold to cement producers increased since January 1,
2008, members of VCC have raised the cement price by VND30,000/tonne, and
they threaten to raise the sale prices further if Vinacomin raises coal
prices.



Not only cement, fertilizer or paper prices, construction material prices
and the prices of many other industrial products will increase in case the
coal and electricity prices increase, an official from VCC said.



Pham Chi Cuong, Secretary General of the Vietnam Steel Corporation, though
steel mills only use limited volume of coke coal in laminating steel,
enterprises still fear that the domino effects will occur when Vinacomin
raises the sale price.



Hoang Tho Xuan, Head of the Domestic Market Department under the Ministry of
Industry and Trade has also expressed his concern over the coal price
increase. If Vinacomin follows EVN and petrol distributors to raise the sale
prices, this would have a very big impact on the market.



I agree that it is necessary to adjust the prices of several key products.
However, I think that it would be better to choose the suitable moments to
make adjustments. If all commodities go up in price at the same time, it
would be unfeasible to curb inflation, Xuan said.



*(Source: SGTT)*

[obrolan-bandar] China promotes new era of coal-fired energy, despite pollution

China promotes new era of coal-fired energy, despite pollution
By Scott Simpson, Vancouver SunPublished: Wednesday, March 12, 2008

VANCOUVER - Despite global alarm about the threat that fossil fuel
combustion poses to Earth's climate, coal appears poised to recover its
19th-century prominence as the world's top energy source, delegates at the
Globe 2008 conference heard on Wednesday.

Mark Josz, head of strategy and portfolio management for energy systems
project managers Suez International, says the growth of coal-fired
electricity generation in China is unprecedented in the history of
electricity infrastructure development.

Josz and other panelists at a Globe dialogue on future directions in the
energy sector expect more of the same in the future - notwithstanding the
massive global contribution that coal combustion makes to greenhouse gas
emissions and the accumulation of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

At present, oil accounts for 36 per cent of world energy consumption,
followed by coal with 27 per cent, followed by lesser amounts of natural
gas, nuclear and hydroelectricity.

In 2006, China put into operation 105 gigawatts, which is [equivalent to]
the entire electricity generation system of France, Josz said.

He said 90 per cent of that generation was from coal plants, and China
followed by adding 91 gigawatts of coal generation in 2007.

This is unique, we have never seen that in history. Coal was the energy of
the 19th century, lost to oil in the 20th century, but clearly coal could be
the fuel of reference for the 21st century.

Other advantages include its abundance. Reserves are 1.5 times higher than
combined proven reserves of oil and natural gas, and there's less supply and
price risk because it's well-distributed, cheap and not subject to the price
volatility of oil.

BC Hydro president and CEO Bob Elton noted that across the world, more than
two billion people still lack access to a reliable source of electricity -
including people in many parts of China and Africa.

He said China in particular is moving to end that disparity relative to
Europe and North America, and they're using coal-fired generation to do it.

In the last year they added more coal plants to their fleet than the entire
world added in renewable power, Elton said. I don't think all these
countries that are currently in the dark are going to change to renewables
and conservation unless it's cheaper than fossil fuel because we didn't.

[obrolan-bandar] China's Sinopec to expand coal-to-chemical business amid high oil prices

*China's Sinopec to expand coal-to-chemical business amid high oil
prices*Thursday,
March 13, 2008; Posted: 01:43 AM
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China Petroleum  Chemical Corp (Sinopec), Asia's top refiner, plans
to
expand its coal-to-chemical business amid surging oil prices, a senior
executive said.

Wang Tianpu, Sinopec's president, said at a recent internal meeting that the
company will develop key technology for three coal-based facilities this
year and actively expand coal-to-chemicals, according to a group-owned
publication, China PetroChemical News.

Sinopec has been under margin pressure as crude costs rise while domestic
retail prices remain regulated.

Yesterday, light, sweet crude for April delivery rose 1.17 usd to a record
109.92 usd a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange after earlier rising
to a new intraday record of 110.20 usd.

(1 usd = 7.1 yuan)

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[obrolan-bandar] Thai Hot Stocks - Seen falling, oil firms eyed

Thai Hot Stocks - Seen falling, oil firms eyed Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:47am GMT


BANGKOK, March 13 (Reuters) - Thai stocks were expected to fall on Thursday
following Wall Street's drop despite record oil prices boosting buying of
energy shares, dealers said.

Support on the main index .SETI should be at 820 points and resistance at
835 points, Asia Plus Securities Therdsak said.

On Wednesday, the index ended up 0.87 percent at 827 points, buoyed by
buying of top oil and gas firm PTT PCL PTT.BK, which rose 2.4 percent.

Foreign investors bought a net 1.33 billion baht ($42 million) of Thai
shares, reducing their net selling to 8.9 billion baht so far this year.
Last year, they bought shares worth a net 55 billion baht.

Stocks and factors to watch:

- Energy firms .SETEN should be in focus after oil pierced $110 a barrel on
Wednesday, the sixth straight day of record highs, as the dollar sank to new
lows and outweighed large increases in U.S. crude stocks.

See [ID:nSP281350] for details

- The National Energy Board approved a plan to revive diesel subsidies for
six months, which could rein in retail prices, in an effort to tackle
inflation running at a 20-month high.

[obrolan-bandar] OPEC Exports to Drop in March

--
   OPEC Exports to Drop in March

London, Mar 13 (Prensa Latina) The export operations of the Organization of
Petroleum Exporting Countries will decrease 100,000 barrels daily in the
four weeks of March 2008, Oil Movements informed on Thursday.

Oil Movements, a respected weekly forecaster of the oil market, said this
reflects contraction of the demand due to weather change and excludes OPEC
recently incorporated members like Angola and Ecuador.

According to OPEC analyst Roy Mason, maritime export operations of crude oil
by the other OPEC members will go down to 24.31 million daily barrels in
March.

In the four weeks concluded on March 1st, 24.41 million daily barrels were
shipped, but a fall like this has no implications for OPEC policy, Mason
said.

The first OPEC ministerial meeting held last week in Vienna, agreed to keep
production quota at 29.67 million daily barrels, considering that the market
is now well supplied.

The bloc did not heed demands of consuming countries, especially the United
States, to increase production to reduce prices, which have already reached
110 dollars a barrel.

ef ccs tac jmg

PL-36

[obrolan-bandar] Natural gas stocks recover, then rally

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/energy-stocks-natural-gas-stocks/story.aspx?guid=%7BC31A3CF5-90EA-45D7-90CF-9E2DE6B4D84C%7Ddist=hplatest

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI siap2 mau ditarik......

Sigh. Aseng, asiong sudah net buy BUMI. Saya ketinggalan kereta BUMI hari
ini.

2008/3/12 Andi Wahyudi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   Kok kata penghubungnya TAPI Pak? Mestinya kata penghubungnya DAN euy
 (SMILE)


 *Gunawan Wibisono [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

  Tapi BUMI hari ini masih 3 besar yang dibeli asing.

 Mungkin ganti Bandar saja, jadi belum akan ditinggal bandarlah.

 Hemnn.. ngayem-ayemin..



 List of the Most Active Shares Bought by Foreign
  Investor



 Day/Date : Wednesday, March 12,
  2008



   No STOCK  Bought by 
 Foreign Investor



   CodeName  Listing Board   Listed  Shares   
 (Shares)   Foreign Sell  Foreign Buy



1 BNBRBakrie  Brothers Tbk   2  13,485,139,200
 44,501,50050044,502,000

2 LPKRLippo Karawaci Tbk
  1  17,302,151,69519,260,500 50,00019,310,500

3 BUMIBumi Resources Tbk  2  19,404,000,000
 17,697,500 65,689,00083,386,500



 -Original Message-
 *From:* Andi Wahyudi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:03 PM
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI siap2 mau ditarik..

 Masih ada lagi:

 Doski nawarin coal dgn harga 110 USD/ton

 P/E doski diperkirakan turun di bawah 20

 Dalam waktu dekat doski akan perbaharui kontrak suplai ke customer doski

 Udah ya..Mo Mandi susu lagi.. Pak SBy mo ikut? Saya ajak nih Pak

  __

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Besok BUMI siap2 mau ditarik......

Target 8000 kalau besok sepertinya terlalu cepat. Yang membuat saya heran,
mengapa lap keu resmi BUMI untuk 2007 dan Q4 2007 belum dipublikasikan.
Menurut perkiraan saya, pasti lap keu BUMI bagus. Saya mengkuatirkan kalau
ternyata memang sudah ada skenario tertentu. Kalau lap keu BUMI dikeluarkan
sekarang, skenario down grade BUMI tidak bisa dijalankan.


BTW, Nov 2007 kmrn BUMI menerima order batubara dari Jepang di harga 85 USD.
Sepertinya 85 USD/ton ini adalah harga kontrak untuk thermal coal, bukan
harga spot. Kalau memang betul yang dikatakan Pak Andi bahwa 40% produksi
BUMI akan dilempar ke futures spot market, maka keuntungan BUMI bisa
berlipat karena harga spot bisa jauh di atas 85 USD/ton. Australia juga
menghendaki supaya harga jual coal ke Jepang minimal 100 USD/ton.

http://ourmetals.com/index.php?c=englandt=05cat=1subcat=89one=258
...cut
*Other Japanese buyers said that it was unreasonable for prices to jump this
high when South Korean utilities managed to ink their 2008 coal contracts at
about USD 60 a tonne. Some Japanese utilities have also agreed with
Indonesia's Bumi Resources to buy 2008 coal supplies at about USD 85 a tonne
in November. *


Salam,
Andreas

2008/3/12 giek Doang [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   Yang dimaksud Besok oleh Pak Aiko mungkin seminggu atau 2/3/4  minggu
 lagi,
 Saya sich percaya  yakin BUMI akan balik ke 8000 an


 Dari: twisted trader [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Terkirim: Rabu, 12 Maret, 2008 20:29:06
 Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] BUMI siap2 mau ditarik..

  Coba anda perhatiin email2 lama dari pak Aiko ini dengan subyek :
 - Tins mau ditarik ke 30rb an (tgl 14 - Feb)
 - PGAS mau ditrik ke 15 rb an (tgl 5 - Maret)

 Jadi kenyataan apa enggak ?


  On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Aiko DeAndre aikodeandre@ yahoo.com[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  kumpulin BUMI  target besok Rp 8.000... ...
 
  - Original Message 
  From: Cleopatras Cat cleopatras.cats@ yahoo.de[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:31:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] longsoran berikutnya
 
   milis lebih adem hari ini. kepala dah pada lebih dingin yak? dah pada
  CUAN gede ya? mendadak semua menjadi lebih beradab. kata kata pun pada
  bersahabat hehe
 
  harus ditelaah tuh. seberapa dekat Korrelation nya antara nge bull 
  kedamaian di milis. mungkin yang pakar Psychologie bisa menganalisa ini ;-)
 
  Pak FA, wah kita sehati berarti ;-) tapi Pak FA jauh lebih senior
  daripada saya yang masih ijo kencur ini.
 
  sebenernya seh saya punya banyak panutan yg saya demen di sini. wong
  namanya belajar ngertiin market [bzw. ngertiin hati BD]. makanya saya ndak
  melewatkan 1 postingan pun di 4 milis. terutama OB ini hahaha
 
  istilah saya: belajar baca ngebut di waktu luang. yg penting lebih
  diperhatiin. yg kurang penting lebih cepet.
 
  dari semua selebs OB itu ya fav saya 3 orang. Pak Oentoeng, Pak DE  si
  Elaine.
 
  saya demen 3 style selebs ini hehe
 
  kalo soal ilmu wah ya pasti di samping 3 orang itu masih banyak yang
  lain yg jago jg kaya si Mbah, Kang Ocoy, Pak Eka, Pak JA, Pak Odink et
  cetera et cetera. apalage pengalaman kita di milis ini kudu belajar dari Pak
  SB. ga terbantahkan deh itu.
 
  eh ketinggalan .. belakangan ini kayanya kita jg kudu pratiin Pak AA yg
  hobby nya nge guyur in mulu hehe
 
  kembali ke soal sehati sejiwa: ga banyak orang punya access dekat ke the
  hand that rocks the cradle  - ini mah istilah ngawur saya aja ;-)
 
  kalo orang itu ternyata ada di warung ini  bersedia membagi Info nya
  itu kepada kita di sini. wah alangkah luar biasanya itu. menurut saya itu
  Privileg kita di sini.
 
  toh Pak Oentoeng ndak punya kewajiban apa apa ngasih tau ini itu. saya
  mah sejauh ini berterima kasih banget. yang bikin CUAN saya memang saham
  saham saya sendiri. tapi yang nyelamatin saya dari kubangan ya wanti
  wantinya 2 orang itu: Pak Ooentong  Elaine.
 
  ironisch nya ya, sebagian bilang itu nakut nakutin. pada ga demen. hehe
 
  saya cuma belanja cilantro aja kemaren dan sekarang. dah kelewatan
  kemurahan hehehe
 
  selebihnya clingak clinguk wae. nunggu kesempatan aja. istilah saya:
  nunggu longsoran.
 
  lamaan dikit jg gpp deh. ya itung itung gebukan nya lebih kerasa. kalo
  rejeki mah ga lari kemana mana.
 
  kita masih sehati, Pak FA? ;-)
 
 
  *Forever Apprentice apprentice.forever@ yahoo.com* schrieb:
 
Pak CC koq bisa sehati sama saya ya :)
  Saya paling seneng kalo Pak Oentoeng  Elaine nongol... kalo lagi pegang
  cash :)
  Kalo nggak ya pasrah aja, either no money or alamat nyangkut BIG TIME :)
  hehe. Just listen and learn, a major crash is also an experience for me, it
  will prepare you for the next crash.
  Tanpa ngurangin respect saya ke yang lain, IMHO both Pak Oentoeng dan
  Elaine kalo udah ngomong ... I listen very carefully. I

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Besok BUMI siap2 mau ditarik......

Pak Hendrik yang baik,
1. Hubungan antara laporan keuangan dan kenaikan harga saham BUMI apa ya
Pak?
2. Kang Ocoy sudah pernah menulis kalau BUMI adalah eksportir terbesar
batubara (90% untuk ekspor).  PTBA yang produknya banyak dikonsumsi oleh PLN
saja laporan keuangannya masih menunjukkan kenaikan.

Mohon pendapat Pak Hendrik.

Salam,
Andreas

2008/3/12 hendrik_lwww [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   lap keuangan BUMI, memang belum keluar, namun dapat diukur dengan PTBA
 yang kenaikan net profitnya kurang MENGGEBRAK, jadi SEPERTINYA kaporan
 keuangan BUMI pun MUNGKIN di bawah ekspektasi pasar. mengingat kenaikan
 BUMI yang terlalu tinggi..

 Dan juga kenaikan harga batu bara dunia yang ternyata tidak maksimal
 dapat dinikmati oleh BUMI..

 Maybe..
 WIth LOve...

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Besok BUMI siap2 mau ditarik......

Pak Hendrik yang baik,
saya sependapat dengan Pak Hendrik kalau kita harus adjust P/E. Sebagai
informasi, harga coal spot Newcastle awal Januari 2007 adalah 40 USD/t. Per
7 Maret 2008, harga coal spot Newcastle berada di angka 129.8* *USD/t bahkan
Nov 2007 sempat menyentuh 140 USD. Harga Newcastle biasanya digunakan
sebagai patokan untuk pasar Asia, termasuk oleh BUMI.

Dengan jumlah produksi konstan saja, maka pendapatan BUMI sudah berkali-kali
lipat apalagi kl produksinya bertambah juga.

Di milist eyang Rachman, ML menulis kalau P/E  BUMI
2005A 108.0x
2006A 66.x
2007E 17.25x


2008/3/12 hendrik_lwww [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com,
 Hoki Tralala
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Pak Hendrik yang baik,
  1. Hubungan antara laporan keuangan dan kenaikan harga saham BUMI
 apa ya

 Hubungannya akan mengecilkan EPS atau earn per share dan otomatios
 dividen yang kita dapet makin mengecil... (tipe Investor).. juga BISA
 dibuar perhitungan ane kayak gini.. profit BUMI Naik (umpamanya) 2X
 (200%) lipat tapi harga naik 10X lipat, maka dibandingkan dengan
 harga dulu,2/10 ( maka prodit bumi hanya naik 20% saja ). JAdi dengan
 membeli di harga yang sudah 10x lipat sama saja kita me,mbeli BUMI
 yang profitnya naik hanya 20%. walaupun laporan keuangan profitnya
 naik 2x lipat (20%).

 Tapi kalau adnda pengennya kapital dain dan bukan dividen jangka
 panjangm ya ceritanya lain lagi.. Ini hanya slaah satu pandangan saja
 kok...

  2. Kang Ocoy sudah pernah menulis kalau BUMI adalah eksportir
 terbesar
  batubara (90% untuk ekspor). PTBA yang produknya banyak dikonsumsi
 oleh PLN
  saja laporan keuangannya masih menunjukkan kenaikan.

 Menurut saya , kenaikan harga batu bara dunia, tidak secara langsung
 bisa dinikmati BUMI karena kualitas batu bara Indonesia (hasil
 tambang permukaan bumi) tidak sebanding dengan yang di luar negeri
 (hasil tambang dalam bumi)$. KArena nilai kalorinya juga di bawahnya,
 swhingga arga jualpun, walupun COAL menyentuh 120$ (kalau ga salah)
 tapi harga jual COAL dari Indo paling mahal 90$ (kang ocoy yang nulis)

[obrolan-bandar] China reduces coal export quotas for the year

*China reduces coal export quotas for the year*
SHANGHAI: China has cut its coal export quotas for the year, beginning this
month, by 24 percent, to 53 million tons, as the government seeks to channel
production to its own economy.

The quotas will be officially handed out next week, said a person with
direct knowledge of the situation, who did not want to be named before an
official announcement was made.

The quotas, usually issued no later than February, were delayed this year,
which created uncertainty in the market after the 2007 allotments expired
Feb. 29.

The cut in the export quota did not come as a surprise. Analysts said
expectations of lower Chinese coal exports this year were raising global
coal prices, which surged to a record level in the spot market in February
and are expected to remain high.

China, the world's largest coal producer and consumer, exported
53.17million tons of coal in 2007, well below the quota and down 16
percent from
the previous year, according to customs figures.

Beijing had already told port authorities to stop loading coal for export
for February and at least two weeks of March in response to severe coal and
power shortages brought in part by heavy snow and ice storms in central and
southern China.

China's coal exports in February dropped 48 percent from January, to three
million tons, customs data show.

Analysts said they expected China to become a net coal importer in 2008 and
the cut in the quota would help increase international coal prices.

It will give Australian miners more bargaining power in their annual
contract negotiations with Japanese utilities, said Martin Wang, an analyst
at Guotai Junan Securities.

International spot coal prices hit a record of $150 a ton in early February,
because of a supply crunch in Australia, China and South Africa, but had
eased to $129.58 a ton by last Friday.

Provincial officials in Shanxi, China's leading coal-producing province,
said China would soon resume contracted coal exports.

Source: Reuters 12 March 208

[obrolan-bandar] Coal miner sees contract prices double

Coal miner sees contract prices double Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:02pm EDT

By Steve James

NEW YORK (Reuters) - High copper and gold prices are the talk of the mining
industry right now, but coal is also getting attention as new contract
prices for steelmaking coal are expected to more than double.

Some producers and coal industry experts see prices rising to $225-$250 per
ton for long-term contracts -- up from around $90 this year -- in large part
because of floods and transportation problems in Australia.

Coal is the hottest story in the mining sector today, which is why we're
happy to be the second largest producer of seaborne metallurgical coal,
Donald Lindsay, chief executive of Teck Cominco (TCKb.TO:
Quotehttp://www.reuters.com/stocks/quote?symbol=TCKb.TO,
Profile http://www.reuters.com/stocks/companyProfile?symbol=TCKb.TO,
Research http://www.reuters.com/stocks/researchReports?symbol=TCKb.TO),
told the Reuters Global Mining Summit in New York this week.

We're currently receiving $91 (per ton) and people thought the price would
go to $120-$130, he said.

(But) spot coal shipments have now been done at $350 per ton and analyst
reports say long-term contract coal could go to $225-$250, Lindsay said.

And the head of global miner Rio Tinto's (RIO.L:
Quotehttp://www.reuters.com/stocks/quote?symbol=RIO.L,
Profile http://www.reuters.com/stocks/companyProfile?symbol=RIO.L,
Research http://www.reuters.com/stocks/researchReports?symbol=RIO.L)(
RIO.AX: Quote http://www.reuters.com/stocks/quote?symbol=RIO.AX,
Profilehttp://www.reuters.com/stocks/companyProfile?symbol=RIO.AX,
Research http://www.reuters.com/stocks/researchReports?symbol=RIO.AX)
energy division said he expects long-term coal supply contract prices to
remain strong in 2009-2011.

The extremely high prices we've seen recently for both thermal coal and
coking coal have been driven by the supply/demand imbalance, Preston Chiaro
told the Reuters Summit in London. Coal supply/demand tightness won't ease
for many years due to limited infrastructure and strong demand.
Chinese demand for coking, or metallurgical, coal, used in steelmaking, and
steam coal used for power generation, will also help keep prices high, he
said.

[obrolan-bandar] Rio expects strong coal prices to 2011

Rio expects strong coal prices to 2011 Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:22am EDT

By Jackie Cowhig

LONDON (Reuters) - Global miner Rio Tinto (RIO.L:
Quotehttp://www.reuters.com/stocks/quote?symbol=RIO.L,
Profile http://www.reuters.com/stocks/companyProfile?symbol=RIO.L,
Research http://www.reuters.com/stocks/researchReports?symbol=RIO.L)(
RIO.AX: Quote http://www.reuters.com/stocks/quote?symbol=RIO.AX,
Profilehttp://www.reuters.com/stocks/companyProfile?symbol=RIO.AX,
Research http://www.reuters.com/stocks/researchReports?symbol=RIO.AX)
expects long-term coal supply contract prices to remain strong in 2009-2011
because lack of infrastructure will restrain supply growth for another few
years, energy division chief executive officer Preston Chiaro said on
Tuesday.

The extremely high prices we've seen recently for both thermal coal and
coking coal have been driven by the supply/demand imbalance. Coal
supply/demand tightness won't ease for many years due to limited
infrastructure and strong demand, he told the Reuters Global Mining Summit.

Chinese demand for coking coal and steam coal will also help keep prices
high, he said. Can infrastructure expand faster than Chinese demand can
grow? That's the $65,000 question and nobody can answer it yet.

China's production and demand has been growing at around 12-13 pct a year.
China's coal production last year was around 2.7 billion tonnes, about half
of the world's coal output, he said, but its demand is keeping pace.

Rio has latent coal production capacity in Australia in New South Wales and
Queensland which the company cannot bring on because of a lack of rail and
port space, he said.

ABBOTTS POINT DEAL

Rio on Monday signed a 10-year take-or-pay contract for 16 million tonnes a
year export capacity at Abbotts Point port in Queensland, he said.
Output from Rio's Blair Atholl mine and Claremont projected mine will be
exported from Abbotts Point.

Abbotts Point is one of the several Australian coal ports which are
undergoing expansions to be complete in around 2010.

Chiaro would not comment on reports that Rio is asking $135.00 a tonne
free-on-board for thermal coal 2008/2009 to Japan, up from $55.65 last year.

We've heard the same reports, he said, smiling. I can say that spot
prices are extremely high -- well in excess of $100.00 a tonne FOB for
thermal and we've heard coking coal sold recently into Asia at $330.00 a
tonne CIF.

Infrastructure constraints will keep prices strong but the recent surge in
prices was also due to severe weather in Australia which cut at least 7
million tonnes from this year's exports, he said.

We declared force majeure due to floods but all of our mines in Queensland
are up and running now, he said. Water is still being pumped out of the
Hail Creek coking coal mine but the secondary pit is being mined, he said.

There has been one benefit from the floods, he said. Rio has used all of its
port and rail allocation and has also used some allocation which its
competitors were unable to use, to sell some spot coal.

Rio is still negotiating 2008/2009 term supply contracts with its customers
in Japan, Korea and Taiwan, he said.

Rio is also looking at selling U.S. Powder River Basin coal, traditionally a
domestic coal, to Asia. We've done spot before but now we're looking at
sales opportunities of PRB coal, likely shipped from the Northwest or
possibly Canada, he said.

Rio has been looking for years at coal opportunities in Southern Africa, he
said. Last month Rio announced the discovery of a large coal deposit in
Chapudi in the Limpopo province to the north of South Africa.

We said at the time the deposit contained around 1 billion tonnes but we
now think it's considerably more than that, mostly domestic-grade coal for
power production, not export, he said.

We'd very much like to see a power plant built there by Eskom and we've
been in discussions with Eskom, he said.

Chapudi contains some coking coal but it is not currently viable, he said.

Asked about the progress of the Coega aluminum smelter project, to be built
in South Africa's Cape region, Chiaro said Rio has a contract for power
supply from Eskom, from the national grid, from the end of 2010.

We don't just need power, we need affordable power for an aluminum smelter.
If Eskom decides to change in some way, then we will change in some way, he
said.

(For summit blog: here http://summitnotebook.reuters.com/) (Reporting by
Jackie Cowhig)

[obrolan-bandar] China shares higher in early trade led by financial, energy stock

AFX News Limited
*China shares higher in early trade led by financial, energy stocks*
03.11.08, 10:25 PM ET

BEIJING (XFN-ASIA) - China shares were higher in early trade led by
financial and energy stocks, with the market rebounding following strong
gains on Wall Street.

At 9:50 am, the benchmark Shanghai Composite Index was up 62.17 points or
1.49 pct at 4,228.05.

Bank of Communications (SHA 601328; HK 3328) rose 3.00 pct to 11.33 yuan and
Shenzhen Development Bank (SZA 01) was up 1.89 pct at 27.50 yuan.

Ping An Insurance (Group) Co of China (SHA 601318; HK 2318) added 1.64 pct
to 64.90 yuan, while CITIC Securities Co (SHA 600030) was up 1.99 pct at
62.50.

Energy stocks, which pulled up the market yesterday, continued to rise.

China Shenhua Energy (SHA 601088), the country's largest coal producer,
added 3.70 pct to 51.88 yuan, while China Coal Energy Co (SHA 601898) rose
4.64 pct to 20.28.

*PetroChina Co* (nyse:
PTRhttp://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=PTR-
news
http://www.forbes.com/markets/company_news.jhtml?ticker=PTR - people
http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/results.jhtml?startRow=0name=ticker=PTR)
(SHA 601857; HK 0857), the biggest index component, gained 0.32 yuan
or 1.44pct at
22.58 yuan.

(1 usd = 7.10 yuan)

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[obrolan-bandar] Coal prices concern steelmakers

Coal prices concern steelmakers Sponsored Links
Tight supply of coking coal has Asian, other global steelmakers revising
forecasts By Dave Hannon -- Purchasing, 3/11/2008 1:05:00 PM

Steelmakers the world over are becoming very concerned about the cost and
supply of coal.The second-biggest steelmaker in the world, Nippon Steel,
last week cut its profit forecast citing the cost of coking coal as one of
the primary reasons. Nippon Steel officials said
recentlyhttp://www.reuters.com/article/hotStocksNews/idUST33226320080306that
suspension of coal shipments from its major supply source in
Australia,
is forcing Nippon Steel to turn to the spot market, where prices are about
triple those in term contracts. Floods that closed Australian coal
mineshttp://www.purchasing.com/article/CA6452235.html?industryid=48401q=q=Australia+coalin
mid-2007 set the market for coal in Asia on its head, while more
recently
storms in parts of China have made it difficult to get coal out of remote
regions.

Donald Lindsay, CEO of coal miner Teck Cominco said average prices now are
$91/ton, but spot prices have traded as high as $350/ton.

Coal prices were clearly one of the hot topics at the Reuters Global Mining
Summit this week. The CEO of Rio Tinto's energy division says the current
record prices for thermal and coking coal will stay high as global demand
remains strong and infrastructure struggles to keep up. Preston Chiaro said
prices for thermal and coking coal will remain high through 2011 and told *
Reuters*http://www.reuters.com/article/GlobalMiningandSteel08/idUSL1129257420080311?pageNumber=2virtualBrandChannel=10155the
major question is: Can infrastructure expand faster than Chinese
demand
can grow? That's the $65,000 question and nobody can answer it yet.

Chiaro also said Rio is also looking at selling U.S. Powder River Basin
coal, traditionally a domestic coal, to Asia. We've done spot before but
now we're looking at sales opportunities of PRB coal, likely shipped from
the Northwest or possibly Canada, he said. Purchasing reported last
monthhttp://www.purchasing.com/article/CA6533789.html?q=coalthat
steelmakers in Japan were now buying
U.S. coal. But in a separate report, the CEO of Arch Coal said the current
infrastructure in the U.S. market may limit how much coal it can export to
coal-hungry Asian markets.

As you look at the system, between the ports, railroads and barges, it will
take a more active engagement of certainly the bigger companies and more
active coordination, said Steven Leer, CEO of Arch Coal, in a recent *
Reuters*
reporthttp://www.reuters.com/article/companyNews/idUSN0470334920080305
.

In some regions steelmakers are working to set up their own coal supplies.

ArcelorMittal said this week it will bid for state-owned Ukrainian coal
mines which are expected to be sold this year to supply energy for its local
unit and cut dependency on imports of the fuel.

We are very interested in acquiring energy assets in Ukraine, like coal
mines, to cut dependence on imports, said Executive Vice President Narendra
Chaudhary in a *Bloomberg
reporthttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchivesid=aaNgRVVl3.TA
*.

U.S. coal prices have skyrocketed recently, according to the Energy
Information Administration's coal price
sitehttp://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/coal/page/coalnews/coalmar.html.
But price data for U.S. metallurgical coal is not available.

[obrolan-bandar] Oil prices hover near 110 dollars

Oil prices hover near 110 dollars

10 hours ago

SINGAPORE (AFP) — Oil prices were near fresh record levels of above 110
dollars in Asian trade Thursday, held up by the falling US currency, dealers
said.

The continued rush of investors into commodities looking for a safe haven to
hedge against inflation and the weakening dollar was also boosting crude
prices, they said.

In early morning trade, New York's main contract, light sweet crude for
April delivery briefly traded at 110.12 US dollars a barrel before easing to
109.85 dollars.

New York oil prices set a new trading high of 110.20 dollars on Wednesday
during US hours, before closing at a new record high of 109.92 dollars.

Meanwhile, London's Brent North Sea crude for April delivery eased 22 cents
to 106.05 dollars.

Fundamentals are well and truly out of the window when it comes to oil
prices, said Jan Lambregts, head of regional research at Rabobank in Hong
Kong.

A lot of money's obviously looking for a place to park and crude oil
appears to be one popular destination among commodities in general, he
said, adding the weak dollar doesn't help one bit at this stage.

The ailing dollar has also fueled a spike in world oil prices because crude
is priced in dollars and has become cheaper to buy for purchasers holding
stronger currencies.

The US unit sank to a new low of 1.5570 dollars to one euro on Wednesday.

[obrolan-bandar] Coal project to boost SA power supplies

 Coal project to boost SA power supplies

Wednesday, 12/03/2008

A South Australian coal-to-liquids project is gearing up for production, as
the price of oil soars well above US$100 a barrel.

Oil and diesel will be produced by the gasification of coal at a site 300
kilometres north-west of Adelaide.

The process also produces a product called 'syngas'.

Managing director of GulfX and Syngas Energy Limited, Merrill Gray, says
South Australia currently imports 40 per cent of its power from interstate,
but this will reverse that trend.

We will have an on-site facility which will consist of a 30,000 barrel a
day refining plant and a 500 megawatt power plant, of which 50 per cent
would go into the national grid.

[obrolan-bandar] BUMI termasuk?

2008-02-26 Terurut Topik Hoki Tralala

Apakah BUMI termasuk di antara ke3 perusahaan yg kurang dalam pembayaran
pajaknya?

http://www.detikfinance.com/index.php/detik.read/tahun/2008/bulan/02/tgl/27/time/132801/idnews/900814/idkanal/4

[obrolan-bandar] Ada yg jual BUMI 11ribu lot?

2008-02-22 Terurut Topik Hoki Tralala

Dear all,
broker saya bilang kmearin ada satu pihak (bisa orang,bisa badan usaha) yg
jual BUMI 11 ribu lot. Apakah ada yg tau ada info apa? Apa karena semat-mata
karena ketakutan bearish seperti Januari kmrn?

Thanks,
Andre

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: [saham] Re: 100% cash.

2008-02-21 Terurut Topik Hoki Tralala

Jawaban saya cuman 1 Pak: BULL TRAP

Dengan minyak 100USD, tentu ekonomi akan lebih susah. Naiknya DoJi tadi
malam juga mengherankan di tengah data ekonomi Amerika yg amburadul..Banyak
Investment Bank yg write off kerugian mereka. The Fed jg bilang kl ekonomi
sedang slow down.

2008/2/21 Andi Wahyudi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   Harga minyak tembus 100 USD, tapi bursa Eropa masih ijo.Hmmm...ada yg
 tau bocoran? Apa Bank sentral Eropa mau turunin sukubunga beneran ya?


 *Walkamin [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

  Pak IAN dah mulai tanda tanda mo turun tahta ya???
 atau dah mulai hengkang dari investor??

 --- harris_gilo [EMAIL PROTECTED] harris_gilo%40yahoo.com wrote:

  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] saham%40yahoogroups.com, Josh W
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   wah malah dikerek ke 2734 tuh pak, target berikutnya 2800 kali yee..
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Irwan Ariston Napitupulu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] saham%40yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 3:39 PM
   Subject: [saham] 100% cash.
  
  
Saat ini IHSG berada di 2716. Saya sudah 100% cash.
http://www.info-saham.com/node/236
   
jabat erat,
Irwan Ariston Napitupulu
   
   
   
Kunjungi situs http://www.info-saham.com untuk informasi seputar
  saham.
   
DILARANG KERAS MEMOSTING OPINI PRIBADI TENTANG POLITIK DI MILIS
  INI.
Silahkan lakukan itu di milis [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]saham-politik%40yahoogroups.com
   
[EMAIL PROTECTED]saham-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.comuntuk berhenti 
dari milis saham
[EMAIL PROTECTED] saham-subscribe%40yahoogroups.comuntuk bergabung ke 
milis saham
   
Yahoo! Groups Links
   
   
   
  
  udah beli aja saham pertambangan pastiuntung lah...
  peristiwa ini hampir mirip waktu bulan september tahun lalu
  dimana harga minyak dunia naik...
  saham2 pertambangan juga naik
 
 

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[obrolan-bandar] PTBA

2008-02-04 Terurut Topik Hoki Tralala

http://www.detiknews.com/index.php/detik.read/tahun/2008/bulan/02/tgl/04/time/135606/idnews/53/idkanal/10

Re: [obrolan-bandar] How To Make Money in Stocks - William J. O'Neil

2008-02-02 Terurut Topik Hoki Tralala

Pak Abdulrahim,
buku ini kombinasi TA dan FA. Lumayan sih kalau buat newbie cuman ga dalam2
banget.

Salam,
Andreas

On Feb 2, 2008 1:54 PM, abdulrahim abdulrahim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

   Pak Aria, ini buku terjemahan atau masih berbahasa inggris? Kalau
 terjemahan saya mau beli buat kado. Kalau berbahasa inggris, saya
 kayaknya punya ebooknya sih. Tapi belum baca. Pak Aria udah baca?
 Bagus gak?


 On 1/29/08, Aria Santoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]ariasantoso%40cbn.net.id
 wrote:
  Teman² OB,
  Ini adalah buku pertama yg dipinjamkan oleh mentor saya dan beliau
  rekomendasikan bagi para pemula yg ingin belajar tentang trading. Saya
  telah selesai membaca  merasa cukup terbantu sebagai salah satu
  pembentukan pondasi awal pola berpikir di dunia trading. Setelah
  menunggu sejak Agustus'07, hari ini baru mendapatkan telp dari Gramedia
  Mal Taman Anggrek yg menginformasikan bahwa buku ini telah tersedia.
  Mungkin di Gramedia lain juga telah tersedia.
 
  Happy hunting... :)
 
  Salam,
  Ace
 
  PS: email ini bukan iklan/penawaran jual-beli karena sy tidak berkaitan
  dengan bagian promosi Gramedia maupun Mal Taman Anggrek, sekedar berbagi
  informasi untuk sesama rekan yg ingin mendapatkan buku ini.

Re: [obrolan-bandar] * Indo 1 min * COAL PRICE UPGRADES | UBS leads again!

2008-02-01 Terurut Topik Hoki Tralala

Pak james,
harga ini adalah harga spot, bukan harga kontrak. Skrg dihitung saja berapa
persen produksi BUMI yg dijual ke spot market dan berapa persen yg dijual ke
kontrak. Kalau harga kontrak, harganya sulit mengalami perubahan dan hanya
berkisar 30-40 USD/ton

On Feb 1, 2008 9:58 AM, James Liem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Pada 28 Nov 2007, UBS mengeluarkan target price baru utk BUMI yaitu Rp
11,500/sh dengan mengasumsikan harga batubara pada US$ 90/tonne di
tahun
2008.

UBS global analyst baru saja menaikkan target harga batubara mereka utk
tahun 2008 yaitu menjadi US$ 100/tonne atau kenaikan 11% dari yg
sebelumnya.

Andreas Bokkenhauser pasti sedang melakukan revisi angka utk mencakup
asumsi harga jual batubara terbaru.

THERMAL COAL.
=
NEWOLD%CHANGE.
------
2008E US$100/t US$ 90/t+11%.
2009E US$125/t US$105/t+19%.

COKING COAL.

NEWOLD%CHANGE.
------
2008E US$170/t US$145/t+17%.
2009E US$165/t US$135/t+22%.

Dan Brebner (global Bulks analyst) in the Commodity Compass upgraded
their f'cast for the sector again due to:

(1) Supply side difficulties:
+ infrastructure limitations in China.
+ weather QHDvs.NCS new.xls Coal valuation 31Jan08.xls
related setbacks in China and Australia (BHP says delay could last 6
mths).
+ major power shortages in South Africa.

(2) Demand is more inelastic than ever.

BUY: BUMI Resources, Straits Asis Resources, Vale (CVRD), Rio Tinto,
Alpha Natural Resources.

Coal price has reached record highs at US$93.35/t in Newcastle and
around US$76.7/t in Qinhuangdao, driven by the flooding in Australia
and
the snow storm which caused transportation difficulties and power
shortage in China.

Chinese government has ordered a suspension of coal exports last week.
The blackouts have extended to 17 provinces and the government has
urged
to conserve power.

ATTACHED: Coal valuation comps, latest coal price chart and Commodity
Compass.

I am sure Andreas (Indo coal analyst) is working through his models
using the new coal f'casts.

Best,
Bernard.

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Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} RE: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU lagi !!!!!!!

2008-01-29 Terurut Topik Hoki Tralala

Pak Budiana,
ini ada berita dari official website dari microsoft tentang per-zombi-an:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2005/oct05/10-27Zombie.mspx

Bisa atau tidaknya dibobol, tergantung banyak faktor Pak misalnya kecepatan
internet komputer kita, kapasitas hardisk, performa komputer (cepat
lambatnya komputer). Semakin baik komputer kita dan semakin cepat akses
internet, semakin baik buat para hijackers karena pengiriman data dari
komputer yg dibajak akan semakin lancar dan tidak terputus-putus sehingga
decodingnya juga bisa utuh dan bagus.

Bank? Sebuah bank nasional selalu meminta kita untuk mematikan / menghapus
cookies setiap kali kita selesai melakukan transaksi e-banking? Tujuannya
untuk menghapus data (password dsb) dari komputer kita. Kl dari mozilla
firefox, klik extra di sebelah atas kemudian pilih clear private data
dan kemudian pilih semua tab kemudian pilih OK

Waktu itu komputer saya dipake untuk memata2i komputer orang lain. Orang yg
dimata2i ngerasa kl doi dimata2in terus doi ngelabrak saya padahal saya ga
tahu apa2 he he..Nasib apes aja kali ya.Saya sendiri ndak pernah pake
e-banking jadi belum pernah menjadi korban. Informasi dari Micrsoft di atas
sudah tertulis bahwa e-banking juga bisa jada sasaran, termasuk penyadapan
nomer dan pasword kartu kredit he he

Hati2 memaki windows bajakan karena Microsoft tidak mau update windows
bajakan (mohon diingat definisi dar bajakan yg pernah saya sampaikan).
Salah satu tujuan melakukan update ini adalah untuk menutup lubang keamanan
yg ada di windows. Makanya untuk windows XP ada kita kenal istilah Service
Pakc1,  Service Pack 2, dsb.

Pak Budiana pernah dengar beberapa bulan lalu komputer2 milik pemerintah
jerman dan perancis dibobol dari CHina?

Cheers,
Andreas

2008/1/29 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 Pa Ht,

 Wow sy perlu belajar lg nih, kalo router mo ditembus ama tetangha
 berdekatan sih seringlah, tp apakah pernah ngalamin bank kt jg bs ditembus?
 Kan pengamanan securitynya udah berlapis2
 Sy sih belum pernah dengar terkecuali di luar negeri tp itupun cuma
 sekali2nya yg sy tau.
 Apa pernah ga ditembus ke bank, penasaran mo tau jg nih.
 Jawabannya sangat sy hrpkan.

 Tks sebelumnya,

 SB




 Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device from XL GPRS network

 -Original Message-
 From: Hoki Tralala [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:25:41
 To:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} RE: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai
 DIGANGGU lagi !!!


 takut kan dari pengalaman Pak..wong saya pernah ngalamin yg rasanya
 dibajak he he

 Kalau pengalaman pembajakan, ini sudah saya alami sendiri lo
 Pak..dibajaknya bukan hanya sekali tapi sampai 4 kali ngalaminnya..ini
 router di rumah ada yg coba nembus berkali-kali, mau dijadiin zombi nih

 Urusannya agak ribet waktu itu


 2008/1/28 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg:

 Wah masa sampe gitu takutnya, apa betul begitu bahaya sih wong sy semua
 transaksi perbankan bertahun2 aman aja tuh, baru dengar kalu segitu
 bahayanya, rupa2 nya stock di bank nya dan saham nya jumlahnya gede banget
 sih jd takut, kalu sy cuma sedikit jd yg mo ngambil jg malas kale yeeh
 hahaha


 SB


 Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device from XL GPRS network

 -Original Message-
 From: Hoki Tralala hoki.tralala@ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 gmail.com


 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:20:47
 To:obrolan-bandar@ mailto:To:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} RE: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai
 DIGANGGU lagi !!!



 Sama2 Pakiya, keputusan terakhir ada di tangan Pak SBY..saya cuman mau
 share aja pengalaman saya pake Kaspersky. Saya sih menghindari transaksi
 online. Lihat datanya sih saya online tp transaksinya manual, telepon broker
 he he...mungkin agak katrok tapi yang penting aman

 Salam happy cuan ya Pak



 On Jan 28, 2008 8:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg com.sg http://com.sg  wrote:

 Pa HT,

 Sy sekarang mending nyari yg gratisan aja dah, dulu pake yg beli akhirnya
 kena virus juga, yg penting rajin terus menerus scan virus dan spywarenya,
 sekarang sy pake gratisan AVG baik anti virus maupun anti spyware nya
   Ya lumayan dah namanya jg barang gratisan drpd byr msh kena lbh sakit
 hati.
 Tks yah,

 SB





 Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device from XL GPRS network


 -Original Message-

  From: Hoki Tralala hoki.tralala@ mailto:hoki.tralala@ mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] gmail.com gmail.com http://gmail.com 

 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:05:13

 To:obrolan-bandar@ mailto:To mailto:To :obrolan-bandar@ mailto:
 obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com yahoogroups. 
 http://yahoogroups.com com

 Subject: Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} RE: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai
 DIGANGGU lagi !!!


 Versi 6 maupun 7 sama2 bayar Pak. Kalaupun Anda dapat yang ndak bayar,
 mungkin bisa diinstal tapi tidak bisa diupdate karena sudah

[obrolan-bandar] Fwd: [IndoEnergy] China calls coal export halt to end power crisis

-- Forwarded message --
From: Surahman Wiryo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Jan 27, 2008 5:30 PM
Subject: [IndoEnergy] China calls coal export halt to end power crisis
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKSYD2450820080125
UPDATE 2-China calls coal export halt to end power crisis Fri Jan 25, 2008
11:04am GMT

   By Fayen Wong and Niu Shuping

SYDNEY/BEIJING, Jan 25 (Reuters) - China told its miners and port
authorities on Friday to stop coal exports for the next two months to help
end its most severe power crisis yet, sending benchmark coal swap prices
sharply above $100 a tonne.

Some traders had been bracing for a possible clamp-down by Beijing after
regional electricity shortages built this week into a nationwide crisis,
with some generators struggling to secure increasingly costly coal and
others shutting down capacity to avoid producing cheap electricity at a
loss.

During the Chinese New Year and parliamentary meeting, all thermal coal
exports will be suspended, the Ministry of Communication said in a notice
posted on its Web site.

Where there is a need, all international shipping capacity will be diverted
for domestic transportation requirements, the ministry said.

China is an important supplier of thermal coal to power plants in Japan and
South Korea, shipping an average of about 5 million tonnes a month in the
second half of 2007. Indonesia, the world's biggest exporter, ships over 12
million tonnes monthly.

Paper coal swaps for February surged 8 percent to trade at $106 a tonne on
electronic trading platform globalCOAL on Friday, adding to recent gains
fuelled by production cuts in Australia caused by heavy rains in Queensland.

The ministry statement added that officials and heads of irresponsible
companies that do not abide by the latest regulations would face serious
investigations.
The Chinese New Year holiday begins on Feb. 7 with celebrations usually
lasting for 15 days, while the parliamentary meeting begins in early March
and is held for about two weeks.

http://www.miningweekly.co.za/article.php?a_id=124596
More coal price increases on the way, says senior analyst
Published: 25 Jan 08 - 0:00

More price hikes are expected owing to global supply and demand shortages,
Wood Mackenzie senior analyst *Xavier Prevost* tells *Mining Weekly*.

The coal price started to soar from the $50-t mark in May 2007, bringing the
price to the current $100-t mark.
For only the fourth time in the past 100 years, we are in the midst of a
significant coal price hike, this time driven by strong demand, says
International Energy Agency energy analyst *Brian Ricketts*.

Prevost says that the $100/t mark is still sustainable, but continuous
increases could be foreseen.
South Africa faces the issue that we have come to a point in our coal
mining history where coal reserves are difficult to obtain, he adds.

Because the Asian market also faces a severe shortage of coal, China has
become a net importer of coal since 2007, which led to global coal supplies
being pushed into that market.

China's changing coal demand has had a big impact on international coal
trade over the last few years, adds Bricketts.

Prevost also attributes the price increase to a number of other global coal
shortage issues, namely the Indonesian market being plagued by heavy rains,
and logistical difficulties in Australia's New Castle port, causing ship
vessels to queue at the port, affecting its ability for timely supply to the
market. In South Africa, lightning caused severe disruptions at one of the
coal substations, which affected the weighing of coal material.

For the industry, the sharp climb over the past few months means that all
coal producers will be able to reap greater benefits, as it makes marginal
coal extraction operations feasible, as some mines operate at these levels.
And, while the cash rolls in, it means that they will have more capital
available for expansions.

As a result of the global demand for more coal, South African coal producers
are exporting most of their high-quality coal while the lower-quality coal
is being sold locally to Eskom, which uses more than 44% of the total
produced saleable coal in South Africa, and Sasol, which is the
second-biggest coal user.

Prevost continues that the export of high-quality coal creates an incredible
demand for South African coal, causing the local market to feel the strain
of international demand.

Even though Eskom procures most of its coal from mines located close to the
power stations, Prevost says that they are struggling to obtain additional
coal.

Projected global energy trends raise serious concerns of increased
vulnerability to supply disruptions and rising carbon dioxide emissions,
says Bricketts.

If major local coal shortages occur, Eskom might need to import coal from
Botswana or Mozam-bique, and the coal industry will once again see radical
price hikes, Prevost warns.

Bricketts raises the concern that global energy needs

[obrolan-bandar] BOM BUMIIII

-- Forwarded message --
From: James Wiyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2008/1/26
Subject: Re: [IndoEnergy] China's coal imports grow 34% in 2007
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Saya kuatir arus BB illegal sudah besar sekali, sebab perusahaan2 konsumen
BB dari luar negeri tidak rela bayar harga saat ini yang sudah diatas
US$90/t. Ini jomplang sekali dibanding ongkos produksi kita yang cuma
US$13/t karena kita punza open pit mining. Sudah itu BB kita kan bersih S,
kwalitas Nr. 1.

 Kalau dugaan saya bahwa BB illegal bisa sampai 100juta t/y maka potensial
 kerugian besar sekali.

 2008/1/23 Djoko Mulyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   Pak James, confirmed

  *Cina Tambah Impor Batu Bara dari Indonesia*
  Rabu, 23 Januari 2008 | 19:32 WIB
  *TEMPO Interaktif*, *Jakarta*:Cina menambah impor batu bara dari
  Indonesia menjadi tiga kali lipat atau 14,5 juta ton pada tahun ini.
  Penambahan impor pasca pemangkasan impor batu bara dari Australia sebanyak
  34 persen karena aturan pengiriman barang dengan kapal angkut yang lebih
  ketat.

  Selain meningkatkan impor dari Indonesia, Cina meningkatkan impor dari
  Korea Utara dan Vietnam. Impor dari Vietnam memenuhi setengah kebutuhan
  Cina. Total impor batu bara yang dikurangi dari Australia sebanyak 4,52 juta
  ton. Impor dari Vietnam meningkat 23 persen menjadi 24,6 juta ton dan dari
  Korea Utara meningkat menjadi 51 persen menjadi 3,7 juta ton.

  Cina dengan pertumbuhan ekonomi yang sangat pesat menjadi negara net
  importir batu bara sejak Januari. Permintaan Cina akan batu bara akan
  meningkat menjadi 2,76 miliar metrik ton tahun ini.

  Menurut Direktur Indonesian Coal Society (ICS), Singgih Widagdo, dengan
  jumlah ekspor yang besar, Indonesia memainkan peranan penting pasar batu
  bara internasional.

  Pada 2007, Indonesia memproduksi sekitar 213 juta ton dengan ekspor
  sebanyak 170 juta ton. Tahun ini diperkirakan produksi batu bara sekitar 235
  juta ton, dengan ekspor sekitar 185 juta ton. Total kebutuhan Asia Pasifik
  350 juta ton, sehingga potensi ekpor 185 juta ton tahun ini sangat
  signifikan, ujar Singgih, Rabu (23/1).

  Proyeksi konsumsi batu bara naik pesat seiring proyek percepatan listrik
  10.000 megawatt. Pada 2010 diperkirakan PLN akan mengkonsumsi batu bara
  sebesar 82 juta ton. Sedangkan permintaan global diperkirakan diatas 200
  juta ton.

  Menurut peneliti dari Pusat Penelitian Energi Institut Teknologi Bandung
  Retno Gumilang Dewi, langkah Cina yang melakukan pembatasan ekspor untuk
  mengoptimalkan manfaat batu bara perlu ditiru. Cina mengoptimalkan batu
  bara sebagai bahan baku industri, ujar Retno. Di Tanah Air, batubara hanya
  dimanfaatkan untuk memasok kebutuhan energi.

  YULIAWATI | BLOOMBERG

  2008/1/20 James Wiyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Oom Wiryo,
   Buset...udah impor 34% aja PLTU di provinsi Yunnan masih ngadatapa
   harus impor 40?. Kalau di tahun 2007 aja udah impor 34%, tahun 2008 mau
   impor berapa persen ya?

   Di sisi lain, apa impor dari China ga tambah gede kalau proyek2 CTL
   mereka udah running? Means supply domestik mereka akan lari juga ke proyek
   CTL mereka

   He he.Direktur pembangkit PLN mesti ati2 neh biar ga dicopot tahun
   depan.Juga industri dalam negeri mesti pusing coz berebut batu bara
   dengan ekspor

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Liat data perdagangan

Pak hendrik,buka aja

http://www.bei.co.id/MarketData/DefinedData/tabid/166/language/en-US/Default.aspx

Semoga membantu

2008/1/28 hendrik_lwww [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   guys, dimana ya bisa liat dat perdagangan saham seperti net foreig buy
 n dll, soalnya saya selama ini hanya pake e - bursa, dan sering nge
 hang...
 txh b4...
 Asing lagi beli pa jualan ya???

[obrolan-bandar] Hijacking and zombie

Untuk refreshing saat istirahat hari ini he he

http://www.irishdev.com/NewsArticle.aspx?id=1281

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=49127

http://cybercrimeslayer.com/uncategorized/10-nomorehackers-invisus-direct-zombie-pcscomputer-hijacking
Zombie PC's~Computer Hijacking http://www.apsense.com/article/110315.html

- tell a friend
http://www.apsense.com/tellafriend.html?id=110315type=0

Would you ever know it if your computer were taken over and being used by
a hacker? Not likely. When a hacker hijacks a computer, the victim rarely
knows. A computer that has been hijacked is one that is completely taken
over by a hacker, or a group of hackers, to be used for their own purposes.
The idea is that the real owner of the computer never knows their system has
been hijacked, so the hacker(s) can secretly use it whenever and however
they want.

Once a computer has been hijacked, the hacker claims ownership of that
computer. In fact, in many cases when a hacker has taken over a computer,
they will even heal the computer by closing the security holes, so no
other hacker can break into the computer and use it too. Computers that have
been hijacked and are under the control of a hacker are known as zombies.

Some of the more popular uses for a Zombie computer include using it to send
Spam emails, distribute pornography, download illegal copies of software,
and to anonymously attack another computer, a business, a website, or even a
government agency.

There have been many cases in the U.S. and around the world where a business
or home computer has been hijacked and used for illegal purposes without the
computer owner's knowledge. These victims have had their computers used to
distribute child pornography, deface websites, and even hack into government
computers. In many cases, the owner of the hijacked computer (the business
owner or the homeowner) has been arrested and hauled off to jail, only to be
humiliated, demoralized and even convicted for crimes they didn't commit.
Hackers are very good at hiding behind their slave or zombie computers. A
hijacked computer is a hacker's protection of anonymity.

As unbelievable as it may seem, hijacked computers or zombie computers
actually have a street market valuein the hacker community. The better the
computer and the faster the Internet connection of the slave machine, and
the bigger the hard drive, the more it is worth on the market. Zombie
computers are often leased out by hackers to other hackers, or even to
organized
crime groups, to be used for illegal purposes - without the computer owner's
knowledge. If a hacker or a cyber-gang can take over a hundred or a thousand
computers, they have an army of computers at their disposal.

FACTS:

. If your computer has become a zombie or a slave to a hacker, the use
of your computer could be for sale somewhere on the Internet or an auction
website. Your computer's power is valuable to hackers.

. Today, there are organizations that claim ownership of more than
450,000 zombie computers around the world that they use to anonymously send
spam.

Is your pc a zombie? Find out here http://www.nomorehackers.net/!

Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} RE: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU lagi !!!!!!!

takut kan dari pengalaman Pak..wong saya pernah ngalamin yg rasanya dibajak
he he

Kalau pengalaman pembajakan, ini sudah saya alami sendiri lo Pak..dibajaknya
bukan hanya sekali tapi sampai 4 kali ngalaminnya..ini router di rumah ada
yg coba nembus berkali-kali, mau dijadiin zombi nih

Urusannya agak ribet waktu itu

2008/1/28 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 Wah masa sampe gitu takutnya, apa betul begitu bahaya sih wong sy semua
 transaksi perbankan bertahun2 aman aja tuh, baru dengar kalu segitu
 bahayanya, rupa2 nya stock di bank nya dan saham nya jumlahnya gede banget
 sih jd takut, kalu sy cuma sedikit jd yg mo ngambil jg malas kale yeeh
 hahaha

 SB


 Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device from XL GPRS network

 -Original Message-
 From: Hoki Tralala [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:20:47
 To:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} RE: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai
 DIGANGGU lagi !!!


 Sama2 Pakiya, keputusan terakhir ada di tangan Pak SBY..saya cuman mau
 share aja pengalaman saya pake Kaspersky. Saya sih menghindari transaksi
 online. Lihat datanya sih saya online tp transaksinya manual, telepon broker
 he he...mungkin agak katrok tapi yang penting aman

 Salam happy cuan ya Pak


 On Jan 28, 2008 8:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 com.sg wrote:

 Pa HT,

 Sy sekarang mending nyari yg gratisan aja dah, dulu pake yg beli akhirnya
 kena virus juga, yg penting rajin terus menerus scan virus dan spywarenya,
 sekarang sy pake gratisan AVG baik anti virus maupun anti spyware nya
  Ya lumayan dah namanya jg barang gratisan drpd byr msh kena lbh sakit
 hati.
 Tks yah,

 SB





 Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device from XL GPRS network


 -Original Message-
  From: Hoki Tralala hoki.tralala@ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 gmail.com

 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:05:13
 To:obrolan-bandar@ mailto:To:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 yahoogroups.com

 Subject: Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} RE: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai
 DIGANGGU lagi !!!


 Versi 6 maupun 7 sama2 bayar Pak. Kalaupun Anda dapat yang ndak bayar,
 mungkin bisa diinstal tapi tidak bisa diupdate karena sudah dikenali oleh
 Kaspersky bahwa itu bajakan. Definisi bajakan juga bukan hanya CD programnya
 yg digandain, tapi juga termasuk definisi dari penggunaan yang melebih limit
 ijin. Kalau ijinnya hanya untuk 1 komputer, maka 2 komputer yg lain akan
 dianggap bajakan kl anda instal di 3 komputer.

  Oleh server Kapersky, update dilakukan secara online lewat internet jadi
 kit tidak usah repot2 download dan klik ini dan itu. Virus bisa digunakan
 untuk pembajakan, jadi hati2 kalau komputer member OB dibajak karena
 hijackers bisa melihat apa yg Anda lakukan di komputer Anda termasuk
 bertransaksi saham. Misalnya Pak SBY membuka word, maka hijacker bisa
 membaca Pak SBY ngetik apa di word..Kalau ada yg nonton pelem bokep juga
 pasti hijakcernya ikutan nonton bokepnya dari jauh ha ha. Oleh karena itu
 anti virus yg up to date mutlak diperlukan bagi keamanan bertransaksi. Rute
 pembajakan bisa langsung,d ari komputer pembajak langung ke komputer Anda
 atau juga indirect, dari komputer pembajak, lewat komputer orang lain
 (padahal doi tidak bersalah), baru ke komputer Anda.
   Jadi:  Komputer pembajak  Komputer Pak SBY, atau:
 Komputer pembajak Komputer Mr.X (padahal doi ga tahu apa2)---
 Komputer Pak SBY (ketahuan deh kl cuan banyak ha ha)


  Kalau Pak Sby melihat website Kaspersky di http://www.kaspersk 
 http://www.kaspersk  http://www.kaspersk http://www.kaspersky.com/
 y.com/ y.com/ http://y.com/ , sebelah kiri bawah menunjukkan virus baru
 yg terdeteksi. INi adalah virus berjamaah, maksudnya virus yang menginfeksi
 banyak komputer. Virus individual yg tidak menginfeksi banyak orang ga akan
 terdeteksi oleh anti virus manapun   Setelah itu baru software2
 antivirus membuat penangkalnya. Jadi anti virus selalu muncul setelah
 virusnya.


  Lebih afdol kl kita sediakan secara khusus komputer buat trading dan
 terpisah dari keperluan lain (pekerjaan kantor, dsb) jadi kl ada apa2
 langsung bisa ditangani tanpa mengganggu kegiatan lainnya

  Tips lain: Lebih baik pake mozilla firefox (yg ini gratisan kok)
 dibanding IE, relativf lebih aman dari penyadapan

  Hati2 membuka attachment ya he he


 2008/1/27 sbudianaY [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg com.sg http://com.sg :








 Thanks HT, versi 6 nya bayar ga ?




 From: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar@ mailto:
 obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com yahoogroups. 
 http://yahoogroups.com com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ mailto:
 obrolan-bandar@  mailto:obrolan-bandar@ mailto:
 obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com yahoogroups. 
 http://yahoogroups.com com] On Behalf Of Hoki Tralala

  Sent: 27 Januari 2008 23:23
  To: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar@ mailto:
 obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com yahoogroups

Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} RE: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU lagi !!!!!!!

Tambahan: Hijackers bukan hanya bisa melihat kita sedang ngerjain apa, tp
juga bisa ngatur dan mainin komputer kita..jadi jangan kaget kl tiba2 mouse
kita gerak2 sendiri padahal kita ga pegang itu mouse. Itu bukan ulahnya Si
Manis Jembatan Ancol, tp itu ulahnya hijackers..juga jangan kaget kl di HOTS
tiba2 ada angka tiba2 muncul jadi kita salah order padahal tadi ga nekan
apa2 di keyboard he he

2008/1/28 Hoki Tralala [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Versi 6 maupun 7 sama2 bayar Pak. Kalaupun Anda dapat yang ndak bayar,
 mungkin bisa diinstal tapi tidak bisa diupdate karena sudah dikenali oleh
 Kaspersky bahwa itu bajakan. Definisi bajakan juga bukan hanya CD programnya
 yg digandain, tapi juga termasuk definisi dari penggunaan yang melebih limit
 ijin. Kalau ijinnya hanya untuk 1 komputer, maka 2 komputer yg lain akan
 dianggap bajakan kl anda instal di 3 komputer.

 Oleh server Kapersky, update dilakukan secara online lewat internet jadi
 kit tidak usah repot2 download dan klik ini dan itu. Virus bisa digunakan
 untuk pembajakan, jadi hati2 kalau komputer member OB dibajak karena
 hijackers bisa melihat apa yg Anda lakukan di komputer Anda termasuk
 bertransaksi saham. Misalnya Pak SBY membuka word, maka hijacker bisa
 membaca Pak SBY ngetik apa di word..Kalau ada yg nonton pelem bokep juga
 pasti hijakcernya ikutan nonton bokepnya dari jauh ha ha. Oleh karena itu
 anti virus yg up to date mutlak diperlukan bagi keamanan bertransaksi. Rute
 pembajakan bisa langsung,d ari komputer pembajak langung ke komputer Anda
 atau juga indirect, dari komputer pembajak, lewat komputer orang lain
 (padahal doi tidak bersalah), baru ke komputer Anda.
 Jadi:  Komputer pembajak  Komputer Pak SBY, atau:
 Komputer pembajak Komputer Mr.X (padahal doi ga tahu apa2)---
 Komputer Pak SBY (ketahuan deh kl cuan banyak ha ha)


 Kalau Pak Sby melihat website Kaspersky di http://www.kaspersky.com/,
 sebelah kiri bawah menunjukkan virus baru yg terdeteksi. INi adalah virus
 berjamaah, maksudnya virus yang menginfeksi banyak komputer. Virus
 individual yg tidak menginfeksi banyak orang ga akan terdeteksi oleh anti
 virus manapun   Setelah itu baru software2 antivirus membuat
 penangkalnya. Jadi anti virus selalu muncul setelah virusnya.

 Lebih afdol kl kita sediakan secara khusus komputer buat trading dan
 terpisah dari keperluan lain (pekerjaan kantor, dsb) jadi kl ada apa2
 langsung bisa ditangani tanpa mengganggu kegiatan lainnya

 Tips lain: Lebih baik pake mozilla firefox (yg ini gratisan kok) dibanding
 IE, relativf lebih aman dari penyadapan

 Hati2 membuka attachment ya he he


 2008/1/27 sbudianaY [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Thanks HT, versi 6 nya bayar ga ?
 
 
 
 
 
  *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Hoki Tralala
  *Sent:* 27 Januari 2008 23:23
  *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  *Subject:* Re: {Disarmed} RE: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU
  lagi !!!
 
 
 
  yang beredar di indo masih seri 6. Kaspersky seri 7 ngasih uji coba
  sebulan, setelah itu mesti bayar he he
  Mungkin dalam masa uji coba sebulan ini bisa dibuktikan keampuhannya
 
  Silahkan Pak membukanya di http://www.kaspersky.com/
 
  2008/1/27 sbudianaY [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Kaspersky download darimana ?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Hoki Tralala
  *Sent:* 27 Januari 2008 5:21
  *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU lagi !!!
 
 
 
  Antivirusnya kl pake AVG sering bobol Pak. Skrg saya pake Kaspersky
  (bukan promosi lo)..Sama McAfee sering bobol tp masih ketangkep sama
  kaspersky. Skrg udah ada seri 7nya kan?
 
 
  
   - Original Message -
   From: kotaro212
   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 2:57 PM
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU lagi !!!
  
  
   Yup.. confirm terima juga Mbah..
  
   NetSky.Q Worm dari salah satu email..
  
   Yang sering OL sebaiknya antivirus selalu update.. !
  
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com,
  jsx_consultant
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU lagi !!!
   
   
Perang yg seharusnya terjadi di FLOOR BEI mulai keluar dari
bursa dan MEREMBES ke milis OB...
   
So, Take Care !!!
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
   --
  
 
 
 
 
 
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  Checked by AVG Free Edition.
  Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date:
  26/01/2008 15:45
 
 
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Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} RE: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU lagi !!!!!!!

Versi 6 maupun 7 sama2 bayar Pak. Kalaupun Anda dapat yang ndak bayar,
mungkin bisa diinstal tapi tidak bisa diupdate karena sudah dikenali oleh
Kaspersky bahwa itu bajakan. Definisi bajakan juga bukan hanya CD programnya
yg digandain, tapi juga termasuk definisi dari penggunaan yang melebih limit
ijin. Kalau ijinnya hanya untuk 1 komputer, maka 2 komputer yg lain akan
dianggap bajakan kl anda instal di 3 komputer.

Oleh server Kapersky, update dilakukan secara online lewat internet jadi kit
tidak usah repot2 download dan klik ini dan itu. Virus bisa digunakan untuk
pembajakan, jadi hati2 kalau komputer member OB dibajak karena hijackers
bisa melihat apa yg Anda lakukan di komputer Anda termasuk bertransaksi
saham. Misalnya Pak SBY membuka word, maka hijacker bisa membaca Pak SBY
ngetik apa di word..Kalau ada yg nonton pelem bokep juga pasti hijakcernya
ikutan nonton bokepnya dari jauh ha ha. Oleh karena itu anti virus yg up to
date mutlak diperlukan bagi keamanan bertransaksi. Rute pembajakan bisa
langsung,d ari komputer pembajak langung ke komputer Anda atau juga
indirect, dari komputer pembajak, lewat komputer orang lain (padahal doi
tidak bersalah), baru ke komputer Anda.
Jadi:  Komputer pembajak  Komputer Pak SBY, atau:
Komputer pembajak Komputer Mr.X (padahal doi ga tahu apa2)---
Komputer Pak SBY (ketahuan deh kl cuan banyak ha ha)


Kalau Pak Sby melihat website Kaspersky di http://www.kaspersky.com/,
sebelah kiri bawah menunjukkan virus baru yg terdeteksi. INi adalah virus
berjamaah, maksudnya virus yang menginfeksi banyak komputer. Virus
individual yg tidak menginfeksi banyak orang ga akan terdeteksi oleh anti
virus manapun   Setelah itu baru software2 antivirus membuat
penangkalnya. Jadi anti virus selalu muncul setelah virusnya.

Lebih afdol kl kita sediakan secara khusus komputer buat trading dan
terpisah dari keperluan lain (pekerjaan kantor, dsb) jadi kl ada apa2
langsung bisa ditangani tanpa mengganggu kegiatan lainnya

Tips lain: Lebih baik pake mozilla firefox (yg ini gratisan kok) dibanding
IE, relativf lebih aman dari penyadapan

Hati2 membuka attachment ya he he

2008/1/27 sbudianaY [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Thanks HT, versi 6 nya bayar ga ?





 *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Hoki Tralala
 *Sent:* 27 Januari 2008 23:23
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: {Disarmed} RE: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU
 lagi !!!



 yang beredar di indo masih seri 6. Kaspersky seri 7 ngasih uji coba
 sebulan, setelah itu mesti bayar he he
 Mungkin dalam masa uji coba sebulan ini bisa dibuktikan keampuhannya

 Silahkan Pak membukanya di http://www.kaspersky.com/

 2008/1/27 sbudianaY [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Kaspersky download darimana ?







 *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Hoki Tralala
 *Sent:* 27 Januari 2008 5:21
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU lagi !!!



 Antivirusnya kl pake AVG sering bobol Pak. Skrg saya pake Kaspersky (bukan
 promosi lo)..Sama McAfee sering bobol tp masih ketangkep sama kaspersky.
 Skrg udah ada seri 7nya kan?


 
  - Original Message -
  From: kotaro212
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 2:57 PM
  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU lagi !!!
 
 
  Yup.. confirm terima juga Mbah..
 
  NetSky.Q Worm dari salah satu email..
 
  Yang sering OL sebaiknya antivirus selalu update.. !
 
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com,
 jsx_consultant
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU lagi !!!
  
  
   Perang yg seharusnya terjadi di FLOOR BEI mulai keluar dari
   bursa dan MEREMBES ke milis OB...
  
   So, Take Care !!!
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
  --
 





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 Checked by AVG Free Edition.
 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date:
 26/01/2008 15:45


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Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} RE: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU lagi !!!!!!!

Sama2 Pakiya, keputusan terakhir ada di tangan Pak SBY..saya cuman mau
share aja pengalaman saya pake Kaspersky. Saya sih menghindari transaksi
online. Lihat datanya sih saya online tp transaksinya manual, telepon broker
he he...mungkin agak katrok tapi yang penting aman

Salam happy cuan ya Pak

On Jan 28, 2008 8:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Pa HT,

 Sy sekarang mending nyari yg gratisan aja dah, dulu pake yg beli akhirnya
 kena virus juga, yg penting rajin terus menerus scan virus dan spywarenya,
 sekarang sy pake gratisan AVG baik anti virus maupun anti spyware nya
 Ya lumayan dah namanya jg barang gratisan drpd byr msh kena lbh sakit
 hati.
 Tks yah,

 SB





 Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device from XL GPRS network

 -Original Message-
 From: Hoki Tralala [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:05:13
 To:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} RE: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai
 DIGANGGU lagi !!!


 Versi 6 maupun 7 sama2 bayar Pak. Kalaupun Anda dapat yang ndak bayar,
 mungkin bisa diinstal tapi tidak bisa diupdate karena sudah dikenali oleh
 Kaspersky bahwa itu bajakan. Definisi bajakan juga bukan hanya CD programnya
 yg digandain, tapi juga termasuk definisi dari penggunaan yang melebih limit
 ijin. Kalau ijinnya hanya untuk 1 komputer, maka 2 komputer yg lain akan
 dianggap bajakan kl anda instal di 3 komputer.

  Oleh server Kapersky, update dilakukan secara online lewat internet jadi
 kit tidak usah repot2 download dan klik ini dan itu. Virus bisa digunakan
 untuk pembajakan, jadi hati2 kalau komputer member OB dibajak karena
 hijackers bisa melihat apa yg Anda lakukan di komputer Anda termasuk
 bertransaksi saham. Misalnya Pak SBY membuka word, maka hijacker bisa
 membaca Pak SBY ngetik apa di word..Kalau ada yg nonton pelem bokep juga
 pasti hijakcernya ikutan nonton bokepnya dari jauh ha ha. Oleh karena itu
 anti virus yg up to date mutlak diperlukan bagi keamanan bertransaksi. Rute
 pembajakan bisa langsung,d ari komputer pembajak langung ke komputer Anda
 atau juga indirect, dari komputer pembajak, lewat komputer orang lain
 (padahal doi tidak bersalah), baru ke komputer Anda.
  Jadi:  Komputer pembajak  Komputer Pak SBY, atau:
 Komputer pembajak Komputer Mr.X (padahal doi ga tahu apa2)---
 Komputer Pak SBY (ketahuan deh kl cuan banyak ha ha)


  Kalau Pak Sby melihat website Kaspersky di http://www.kaspersk 
 http://www.kaspersky.com/ y.com/, sebelah kiri bawah menunjukkan virus
 baru yg terdeteksi. INi adalah virus berjamaah, maksudnya virus yang
 menginfeksi banyak komputer. Virus individual yg tidak menginfeksi banyak
 orang ga akan terdeteksi oleh anti virus manapun   Setelah itu baru
 software2 antivirus membuat penangkalnya. Jadi anti virus selalu muncul
 setelah virusnya.

  Lebih afdol kl kita sediakan secara khusus komputer buat trading dan
 terpisah dari keperluan lain (pekerjaan kantor, dsb) jadi kl ada apa2
 langsung bisa ditangani tanpa mengganggu kegiatan lainnya

  Tips lain: Lebih baik pake mozilla firefox (yg ini gratisan kok)
 dibanding IE, relativf lebih aman dari penyadapan

  Hati2 membuka attachment ya he he


 2008/1/27 sbudianaY [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg
 :







 Thanks HT, versi 6 nya bayar ga ?




 From: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ mailto:
 obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hoki Tralala
  Sent: 27 Januari 2008 23:23
  To: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: {Disarmed} RE: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU lagi
 !!!




 yang beredar di indo masih seri 6. Kaspersky seri 7 ngasih uji coba
 sebulan, setelah itu mesti bayar he he
  Mungkin dalam masa uji coba sebulan ini bisa dibuktikan keampuhannya

  Silahkan Pak membukanya di http://www.kaspersk http://www.kaspersky.com/
 y.com/

 2008/1/27 sbudianaY [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg
 :





 Kaspersky download darimana ?





 From: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ mailto:
 obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hoki Tralala
  Sent: 27 Januari 2008 5:21
  To: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU lagi !!!




 Antivirusnya kl pake AVG sering bobol Pak. Skrg saya pake Kaspersky (bukan
 promosi lo)..Sama McAfee sering bobol tp masih ketangkep sama kaspersky.
 Skrg udah ada seri 7nya kan?







  
   - Original Message -
   From: kotaro212
   To: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com
 yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 2:57 PM
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Milis OB mulai DIGANGGU lagi !!!
  
  
   Yup.. confirm terima juga Mbah..
  
   NetSky.Q Worm dari salah satu email..
  
   Yang sering OL sebaiknya

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