Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Analisa DE: Cuma mining yang angkat IHSG (wajarkah?)
BAD. One of clues in bear market. See EXXON in 1970. DJIA, Fut + now = bulls spreading... but let's not get fooled. *SO...* Peace
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Analisa DE: Cuma mining yang angkat IHSG (wajarkah?)
Embah mencoba menangkap tulisan pak DE dan pak Madangkara: - Pak DE meragukan keadaan BULL saat ini karena tidak semua sector naik. - BULL menurut Mr Dow, menyaratkan index semua menguat pada arah yg sama. Jadi trader yg pegang saham apa saja akan untung karena semua cenderung naik. - Pak Madangkara 'menyiratkan' BULL akan menyebar kesektor yg lain (please koreksi kalo salah) AT least for TOMORROW karena saat ini Dow future udah +87 versi CNN. Hati hati sekarang angka Dow future lagi BEDA2 ??$$$% - Pak DE menyiratkan kedepan akan musim HUJAN sedang pak Madangkara menyiratkan besok TERANG (ENGGA hujan) KALO TANGKAPAN embah salah mohon dikoreksi and please nulisnya jangan SEPOTONG-SEPOTONG, ini masalah DOEIT, kalo salah NANGKEP baca tulisan pak Madangkara, duit bisa melayang. Kalo salah analisa masih wajar, kalo SALAH NGERTI baca tulisan bapak, KAN SAYANG... Tambahan analisa bandarmologi dari embah: - Kalo saham BUMI naik artinya besok IHSG naek seperti minggu lalu. BUMI saat ini menjadi leading indicator dari IHSG... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Ksatria Madangkara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BAD. One of clues in bear market. See EXXON in 1970. DJIA, Fut + now = bulls spreading... but let's not get fooled. *SO...* Peace
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--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, darma erwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Memang anda benar. Ada yg punya ribuan LOT INCO harganya tidak sampai harga satu bungkus mie ayam yg dijual abang abang di terminal bis. Ehh...penonton..kayaknya INCO 3 tahun yang lalu 6000an yakksekarang kok kayak begene busyeet dahh..e ntong, nci, babeh jangan pade tidur aje. tuh lihat yang pada nyimpen eceran jaman dulu kagak punya ampe ratusan lot aja sekarang jadi bandar, eh bandar entar lagi mau stock split yakk...udah deh jangan pada maen2 kasihan yang menonton apalagi yang pada ngiler... komoditas emang maknjuss...top markotop Dean Earwicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sekali lagi MINING/ENERGY juara. Sayangnya tidak diikuti sektor lain. Misc Industri (ASII) sudah lemas. Agri hanya tumbuh sedikit. Property juga makin underperform thd indeks. Saya nggak tahu, is this supposed to be GOOD or BAD? Silahkan dinilai sendiri... Satu lagi.. ada yang menarik.. (atau lebih tepat mencurigakan), harga metal yang bullish hanya timah, nickel cenderung sideways... tapi apa yang terjadi pada saham tambang nickel (INCO dan ANTM)...? Super bullish! cmiiw Berikut gambar chart 3M diambil dari www.lme.co.uk (sejak 1 jun 07) 3M=3 month contract Regards, DE TIN 3M PRICE NICKEL 3M PRICE KINERJA SEKTORAL RELATIF TERHADAP IHSG (garis putus-putus) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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hehe .. it's so funny .. On Nov 6, 2007 9:28 PM, tbumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3. Kalo saham BUMI naik artinya besok IHSG naek seperti minggu lalu. BUMI saat ini menjadi leading indicator dari IHSG... Kenapa Mbah? Saya mungkin miss tulisan mbah mengenai ini...makasih Mbah! jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Embah mencoba menangkap tulisan pak DE dan pak Madangkara: - Pak DE meragukan keadaan BULL saat ini karena tidak semua sector naik. - BULL menurut Mr Dow, menyaratkan index semua menguat pada arah yg sama. Jadi trader yg pegang saham apa saja akan untung karena semua cenderung naik. - Pak Madangkara 'menyiratkan' BULL akan menyebar kesektor yg lain (please koreksi kalo salah) AT least for TOMORROW karena saat ini Dow future udah +87 versi CNN. Hati hati sekarang angka Dow future lagi BEDA2 ??$$$% - Pak DE menyiratkan kedepan akan musim HUJAN sedang pak Madangkara menyiratkan besok TERANG (ENGGA hujan) KALO TANGKAPAN embah salah mohon dikoreksi and please nulisnya jangan SEPOTONG-SEPOTONG, ini masalah DOEIT, kalo salah NANGKEP baca tulisan pak Madangkara, duit bisa melayang. Kalo salah analisa masih wajar, kalo SALAH NGERTI baca tulisan bapak, KAN SAYANG... Tambahan analisa bandarmologi dari embah: - Kalo saham BUMI naik artinya besok IHSG naek seperti minggu lalu. BUMI saat ini menjadi leading indicator dari IHSG... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Ksatria Madangkara brahmakumbara007@ wrote: BAD. One of clues in bear market. See EXXON in 1970. DJIA, Fut + now = bulls spreading... but let's not get fooled. *SO...* Peace __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Analisa DE: Cuma mining yang angkat IHSG (wajarkah?)
Ingat presiden kita jatoh karena minyak naek (minyak masih jauh dibawah $100). Kalo minyak $300, bukan cuman presidennya yg jatoh, langit juga jatuh NIMPA KITA karena akan ada REVOLUSI SOSIAL. Boro boro you bisa kaya, masih bisa idup selamet aja udah untung --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tbumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3.
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Setuju Mbah .. haha .. gak tahan pengen ketawa .., tbumi anggota extravaganza kalee .. regards On Nov 6, 2007 10:18 PM, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingat presiden kita jatoh karena minyak naek (minyak masih jauh dibawah $100). Kalo minyak $300, bukan cuman presidennya yg jatoh, langit juga jatuh NIMPA KITA karena akan ada REVOLUSI SOSIAL. Boro boro you bisa kaya, masih bisa idup selamet aja udah untung --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, tbumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Analisa DE: Cuma mining yang angkat IHSG (wajarkah?)
mm, presiden yg mana yah mbah... tapi saya optimis minyak bisa ke $300, mungkin 4-5 tahun lagi... dan saat itu MUNGKIN industri BIODIESEL dan energi alternatif kita sudah maju. So, it can be good news. Just keep optimistic on everything, yuuk.. ya mungkin besok-besok PASTI akan ada koreksi (biar gimana mesti realized profit kan, kalo nggak bd nya bisa digetok sama provost), entah itu namanya pentungan, bom nuklir, atau apalah, tapi saya percaya BOZZ tahu apa yang mereka kerjakan, dan tentunya tidak akan mengecewakan orang-orang dibelakangnya. Lagipula siapa yang bisa jamin BUMI gak bakal ke 3? Yang gak bisa ditebak kan waktunya... hehe.. sapa tahu pak mentri jadi RI-1? Regards, DE On Nov 6, 2007 10:18 PM, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingat presiden kita jatoh karena minyak naek (minyak masih jauh dibawah $100). Kalo minyak $300, bukan cuman presidennya yg jatoh, langit juga jatuh NIMPA KITA karena akan ada REVOLUSI SOSIAL. Boro boro you bisa kaya, masih bisa idup selamet aja udah untung --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, tbumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3.
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Hem, kalo minyak ke 300$ sudah kehilangan nilai ekonominya, bisa saja sih tetapi mungkin sudah bukan commodity lagi, melainkan chemical goods, tentunya sudah keluar dari pasar nymex. Dengan oil price 100$ / barrel, biofuel sudah menunjukkan nilai ekonominya, bahkan dengan harga dibawah itu, salah satu pengganjal majunya biofuel di Indonesia adalah: 1. Perhatian pemerintah yang mengharapkan swasta yang mengembangkan, padahal ini akan menjadi Pertamina yang baru. 2. Bisa jadi ada sikap reluktansi dari pihak yang berkepentingan, dhi Pertamina karena menyangkut persaingan bisnis yang sebelumnya tidak ada. 3. Dalam skala yang besar, jika pengembangan biofuel menggunakan bahan pangan maka akan terjadi permasalahan baru, sebab akan terjadi rebutan antara perut manusia dengan tangki fuel mobil :) 4. Dalam penelitian yang lebih baik, dijelaskan bahwa ganggang hijau adalah alternatif terbaik untuk pengembangan bio fuel, tidak tahu kenapa Pemerintah ini tidak terlihat perhatiannya kearah sana, padahal kita dengan potensi luasan laut yang besar, dapat menjadi keuntungan tersendiri. 5. Adanya subsidi, yang satu pihak menguntungkan, dipihak lain menghambat pengembangan biofuel, menjadikan gap price yang lebih tinggi. biofuel sudah didepan mata, siap / tidak siap karena negara indonesia saat ini adalah negara yang tergantung pada hasil minyak bumi, maka... hal ini akan menentukan masa depan negara kita juga... Tuesday, November 6, 2007, 10:43:54 PM, Dean wrote: DE mm, presiden yg mana yah mbah... DE tapi saya optimis minyak bisa ke $300, mungkin 4-5 tahun DE lagi... dan saat itu MUNGKIN industri BIODIESEL dan energi DE alternatif kita sudah maju. So, it can be good news. DE Just keep optimistic on everything, yuuk.. ya mungkin DE besok-besok PASTI akan ada koreksi (biar gimana mesti realized DE profit kan, kalo nggak bd nya bisa digetok sama provost), entah DE itu namanya pentungan, bom nuklir, atau apalah, tapi saya percaya DE BOZZ tahu apa yang mereka kerjakan, dan tentunya tidak akan DE mengecewakan orang-orang dibelakangnya. DE Lagipula siapa yang bisa jamin BUMI gak bakal ke 3? Yang DE gak bisa ditebak kan waktunya... hehe.. sapa tahu pak mentri jadi DE RI-1? DE Regards, DE DE Jul
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Kalau dilihat dari tulisannya, ini yang ngomong Pak Rei? aduh belibet deh, pusing gw bacanya... Biasanya dalam penulisan email, tanda '' digunakan sebagai penanda tulisan sebelumnya / terdahulu, sehingga tulisan reply kita dituliskan tanpa tanda tersebut. Tuesday, November 6, 2007, 9:28:09 PM, tbumi wrote: t --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. t Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya t lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3. Jul
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Ini tulisan pak tbumi pak atas jawaban pertanyaan saya ke Mbah. Memang pak tbumi agak membingungkan dalam penggunaan kolom dalam menjawab pertanyaan member milis...yah tapi masih ok kok. julyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kalau dilihat dari tulisannya, ini yang ngomong Pak Rei? aduh belibet deh, pusing gw bacanya... Biasanya dalam penulisan email, tanda '' digunakan sebagai penanda tulisan sebelumnya / terdahulu, sehingga tulisan reply kita dituliskan tanpa tanda tersebut. Tuesday, November 6, 2007, 9:28:09 PM, tbumi wrote: t --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. t Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya t lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3. Jul __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Percaya gak percaya.. Sebentar lagi ada yang reply nawarin ANTM nih... heheh... mining senyangkut nyangkutnya bisa dipegang long term. Regards, DE On Nov 7, 2007 8:41 AM, Bandar A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Between 1970 and 1982, oil prices went from $1.35 a barrel to a high of nearly $35. That is a 26-fold increase. To match that experience this decade, the price of oil would have to reach $260 a barrel. In 1970s, the oil crisis was primarily political. This time around, the issue is ceiling on supply - a more difficult problem to solve. Breaking the ceiling of oil supply for energy source can be done through the following: 1. coal, the dirtiest of all fossil fuel 2. nuclear/uranium, which is a resource in far shorter than oil 3. natural gas and exotic fossil fuel, 4. biofuels 5. alternative energy (wind, solar, sea current, etc) None of the energies available will single handedly be able to satisfy the worlds growing energy needs. The inability of energy supplies to meet soaring demand and the wave of inflation that will result, is a serious threat. Unable to fight inflation without risking economic meltdown, policy makers will put all their efforts into keeping the economy growing, so that wage rise faster than interest rates and debt does not overwhelm the average citizen. They will have no option but to allow inflation to reach heights that would have been considered unacceptable in any previous decade. Inflation will lifts the prices of homes and other assests and will diminish the weight of debt underlying those assets. To make money when inflation soars, avoid these investment pitfalls: 1. Cash 2. Bonds 3. Stocks, especially defensive groups (cosmetic, food, retail), airlines, autos, chemicals 4. small cap stocks And chose these investment jackpots 1. Gold and gold shares. I believe natural resources (mining and agri) also included here 2. Oil and oil shares. And i believe any energy related shares, such as oil services company, energy mining and alternative energy company 3. real estate 4. China and India Thats the summary from Stephen Leeb's 2006 book, the coming economic collapse, how you can thrive when oil cost $200 a barrel. he's the author of the oil factor, which published in february 2004. at the moment, oil price was under $33 a barrel and he predicted that soaring oil prices above $100 was around the corner. On 11/6/07, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingat presiden kita jatoh karena minyak naek (minyak masih jauh dibawah $100). Kalo minyak $300, bukan cuman presidennya yg jatoh, langit juga jatuh NIMPA KITA karena akan ada REVOLUSI SOSIAL. Boro boro you bisa kaya, masih bisa idup selamet aja udah untung --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, tbumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Analisa DE: Cuma mining yang angkat IHSG (wajarkah?)
Between 1970 and 1982, oil prices went from $1.35 a barrel to a high of nearly $35. That is a 26-fold increase. To match that experience this decade, the price of oil would have to reach $260 a barrel. In 1970s, the oil crisis was primarily political. This time around, the issue is ceiling on supply - a more difficult problem to solve. Breaking the ceiling of oil supply for energy source can be done through the following: 1. coal, the dirtiest of all fossil fuel 2. nuclear/uranium, which is a resource in far shorter than oil 3. natural gas and exotic fossil fuel, 4. biofuels 5. alternative energy (wind, solar, sea current, etc) None of the energies available will single handedly be able to satisfy the worlds growing energy needs. The inability of energy supplies to meet soaring demand and the wave of inflation that will result, is a serious threat. Unable to fight inflation without risking economic meltdown, policy makers will put all their efforts into keeping the economy growing, so that wage rise faster than interest rates and debt does not overwhelm the average citizen. They will have no option but to allow inflation to reach heights that would have been considered unacceptable in any previous decade. Inflation will lifts the prices of homes and other assests and will diminish the weight of debt underlying those assets. To make money when inflation soars, avoid these investment pitfalls: 1. Cash 2. Bonds 3. Stocks, especially defensive groups (cosmetic, food, retail), airlines, autos, chemicals 4. small cap stocks And chose these investment jackpots 1. Gold and gold shares. I believe natural resources (mining and agri) also included here 2. Oil and oil shares. And i believe any energy related shares, such as oil services company, energy mining and alternative energy company 3. real estate 4. China and India Thats the summary from Stephen Leeb's 2006 book, the coming economic collapse, how you can thrive when oil cost $200 a barrel. he's the author of the oil factor, which published in february 2004. at the moment, oil price was under $33 a barrel and he predicted that soaring oil prices above $100 was around the corner. On 11/6/07, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingat presiden kita jatoh karena minyak naek (minyak masih jauh dibawah $100). Kalo minyak $300, bukan cuman presidennya yg jatoh, langit juga jatuh NIMPA KITA karena akan ada REVOLUSI SOSIAL. Boro boro you bisa kaya, masih bisa idup selamet aja udah untung --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, tbumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3.
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percaya gak percaya juga, sepertinya yang ditulis Leeb dari 2004 itu mulai jadi kenyataan. Krisis energi itu bisa parah sekali akibatnya, sampai diibaratkan dengan penduduk Pulau Paskah yang menghabiskan semua pohon untuk membuat patung raksasa dan akhirnya peradabannya hancur. Peradaban barat sekarang menggunakan semua minyak untuk membangun peradabannya dan kalau tidak dicari alternatifnya ya akibatnya akan seperti pulau paskah itu. hehe... saya hanya merangkum buku itu aja kok oom. On 11/7/07, Dean Earwicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Percaya gak percaya.. Sebentar lagi ada yang reply nawarin ANTM nih... heheh... mining senyangkut nyangkutnya bisa dipegang long term. Regards, DE On Nov 7, 2007 8:41 AM, Bandar A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Between 1970 and 1982, oil prices went from $1.35 a barrel to a high of nearly $35. That is a 26-fold increase. To match that experience this decade, the price of oil would have to reach $260 a barrel. In 1970s, the oil crisis was primarily political. This time around, the issue is ceiling on supply - a more difficult problem to solve. Breaking the ceiling of oil supply for energy source can be done through the following: 1. coal, the dirtiest of all fossil fuel 2. nuclear/uranium, which is a resource in far shorter than oil 3. natural gas and exotic fossil fuel, 4. biofuels 5. alternative energy (wind, solar, sea current, etc) None of the energies available will single handedly be able to satisfy the worlds growing energy needs. The inability of energy supplies to meet soaring demand and the wave of inflation that will result, is a serious threat. Unable to fight inflation without risking economic meltdown, policy makers will put all their efforts into keeping the economy growing, so that wage rise faster than interest rates and debt does not overwhelm the average citizen. They will have no option but to allow inflation to reach heights that would have been considered unacceptable in any previous decade. Inflation will lifts the prices of homes and other assests and will diminish the weight of debt underlying those assets. To make money when inflation soars, avoid these investment pitfalls: 1. Cash 2. Bonds 3. Stocks, especially defensive groups (cosmetic, food, retail), airlines, autos, chemicals 4. small cap stocks And chose these investment jackpots 1. Gold and gold shares. I believe natural resources (mining and agri) also included here 2. Oil and oil shares. And i believe any energy related shares, such as oil services company, energy mining and alternative energy company 3. real estate 4. China and India Thats the summary from Stephen Leeb's 2006 book, the coming economic collapse, how you can thrive when oil cost $200 a barrel. he's the author of the oil factor, which published in february 2004. at the moment, oil price was under $33 a barrel and he predicted that soaring oil prices above $100 was around the corner. On 11/6/07, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingat presiden kita jatoh karena minyak naek (minyak masih jauh dibawah $100). Kalo minyak $300, bukan cuman presidennya yg jatoh, langit juga jatuh NIMPA KITA karena akan ada REVOLUSI SOSIAL. Boro boro you bisa kaya, masih bisa idup selamet aja udah untung --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, tbumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3.
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Bukan saya lho pak DE :) Ada pertanyaan nih, saya kutip: (To make money when inflation soars...) choose these investment jackpots: 1. Gold and gold shares. I believe natural resources (mining and agri) also included here 2. Oil and oil shares. And i believe any energy related shares, such as oil services company, energy mining and alternative energy company 3. real estate 4. China and India Lihat no. 3 -- real estate. Bukannya kalo inflasi, real estate tidak bagus? (Bunga bank naik kan?) Dan kalo emas naik, metal2 non emas juga biasanya akan naik ya? Trims. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Dean Earwicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Percaya gak percaya.. Sebentar lagi ada yang reply nawarin ANTM nih... heheh... mining senyangkut nyangkutnya bisa dipegang long term. Regards, DE On Nov 7, 2007 8:41 AM, Bandar A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Between 1970 and 1982, oil prices went from $1.35 a barrel to a high of nearly $35. That is a 26-fold increase. To match that experience this decade, the price of oil would have to reach $260 a barrel. In 1970s, the oil crisis was primarily political. This time around, the issue is ceiling on supply - a more difficult problem to solve. Breaking the ceiling of oil supply for energy source can be done through the following: 1. coal, the dirtiest of all fossil fuel 2. nuclear/uranium, which is a resource in far shorter than oil 3. natural gas and exotic fossil fuel, 4. biofuels 5. alternative energy (wind, solar, sea current, etc) None of the energies available will single handedly be able to satisfy the worlds growing energy needs. The inability of energy supplies to meet soaring demand and the wave of inflation that will result, is a serious threat. Unable to fight inflation without risking economic meltdown, policy makers will put all their efforts into keeping the economy growing, so that wage rise faster than interest rates and debt does not overwhelm the average citizen. They will have no option but to allow inflation to reach heights that would have been considered unacceptable in any previous decade. Inflation will lifts the prices of homes and other assests and will diminish the weight of debt underlying those assets. To make money when inflation soars, avoid these investment pitfalls: 1. Cash 2. Bonds 3. Stocks, especially defensive groups (cosmetic, food, retail), airlines, autos, chemicals 4. small cap stocks And chose these investment jackpots 1. Gold and gold shares. I believe natural resources (mining and agri) also included here 2. Oil and oil shares. And i believe any energy related shares, such as oil services company, energy mining and alternative energy company 3. real estate 4. China and India Thats the summary from Stephen Leeb's 2006 book, the coming economic collapse, how you can thrive when oil cost $200 a barrel. he's the author of the oil factor, which published in february 2004. at the moment, oil price was under $33 a barrel and he predicted that soaring oil prices above $100 was around the corner. On 11/6/07, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingat presiden kita jatoh karena minyak naek (minyak masih jauh dibawah $100). Kalo minyak $300, bukan cuman presidennya yg jatoh, langit juga jatuh NIMPA KITA karena akan ada REVOLUSI SOSIAL. Boro boro you bisa kaya, masih bisa idup selamet aja udah untung --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com, tbumi tbumi@ wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3.
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--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maklumlah pak tbumi orangnya setengah barat dan bahasa Indonesianya tidak perfect. Ini tulisan pak tbumi pak atas jawaban pertanyaan saya ke Mbah. Memang pak tbumi agak membingungkan dalam penggunaan kolom dalam menjawab pertanyaan member milis...yah tapi masih ok kok. julyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kalau dilihat dari tulisannya, ini yang ngomong Pak Rei? aduh belibet deh, pusing gw bacanya... Biasanya dalam penulisan email, tanda '' digunakan sebagai penanda tulisan sebelumnya / terdahulu, sehingga tulisan reply kita dituliskan tanpa tanda tersebut. Tuesday, November 6, 2007, 9:28:09 PM, tbumi wrote: t --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. t Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya t lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3. Jul __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Memang semuanya mungkin didunia ini. Karena sumber energi minyak makin menipis. Maka dicari penggantinya yaitu CPO utk Biofuel. Tapi ini masih sangat baru sekali teknologinya. Yg jatuh kan Presiden bila minyak naik terus, tapi IHSG kita kan terus naik. Ini sudah terbukti. Ingat presiden kita jatoh karena minyak naek (minyak masih jauh dibawah $100). Kalo minyak $300, bukan cuman presidennya yg jatoh, langit juga jatuh NIMPA KITA karena akan ada REVOLUSI SOSIAL. Boro boro you bisa kaya, masih bisa idup selamet aja udah untung --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tbumi tbumi@ wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3.
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Saya juga gak tau itu omongannya siapa... saya hanya membaca tulisannya saja... jadi saya tdk membingungkan diri sendiri he he he -- Salam ALX™ On 11/7/07, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ini tulisan pak tbumi pak atas jawaban pertanyaan saya ke Mbah. Memang pak tbumi agak membingungkan dalam penggunaan kolom dalam menjawab pertanyaan member milis...yah tapi masih ok kok. *julyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Kalau dilihat dari tulisannya, ini yang ngomong Pak Rei? aduh belibet deh, pusing gw bacanya... Biasanya dalam penulisan email, tanda '' digunakan sebagai penanda tulisan sebelumnya / terdahulu, sehingga tulisan reply kita dituliskan tanpa tanda tersebut. Tuesday, November 6, 2007, 9:28:09 PM, tbumi wrote: t --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. t Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya t lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3. Jul
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Pak DE Real estate disebut sebut,selain mining oil. Tapi kok saham propertynya masih memble aje? Salam, - Original Message - From: Dean Earwicker To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Analisa DE: Cuma mining yang angkat IHSG (wajarkah?) Percaya gak percaya.. Sebentar lagi ada yang reply nawarin ANTM nih... heheh... mining senyangkut nyangkutnya bisa dipegang long term. Regards, DE On Nov 7, 2007 8:41 AM, Bandar A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Between 1970 and 1982, oil prices went from $1.35 a barrel to a high of nearly $35. That is a 26-fold increase. To match that experience this decade, the price of oil would have to reach $260 a barrel. In 1970s, the oil crisis was primarily political. This time around, the issue is ceiling on supply - a more difficult problem to solve. Breaking the ceiling of oil supply for energy source can be done through the following: 1. coal, the dirtiest of all fossil fuel 2. nuclear/uranium, which is a resource in far shorter than oil 3. natural gas and exotic fossil fuel, 4. biofuels 5. alternative energy (wind, solar, sea current, etc) None of the energies available will single handedly be able to satisfy the worlds growing energy needs. The inability of energy supplies to meet soaring demand and the wave of inflation that will result, is a serious threat. Unable to fight inflation without risking economic meltdown, policy makers will put all their efforts into keeping the economy growing, so that wage rise faster than interest rates and debt does not overwhelm the average citizen. They will have no option but to allow inflation to reach heights that would have been considered unacceptable in any previous decade. Inflation will lifts the prices of homes and other assests and will diminish the weight of debt underlying those assets. To make money when inflation soars, avoid these investment pitfalls: 1. Cash 2. Bonds 3. Stocks, especially defensive groups (cosmetic, food, retail), airlines, autos, chemicals 4. small cap stocks And chose these investment jackpots 1. Gold and gold shares. I believe natural resources (mining and agri) also included here 2. Oil and oil shares. And i believe any energy related shares, such as oil services company, energy mining and alternative energy company 3. real estate 4. China and India Thats the summary from Stephen Leeb's 2006 book, the coming economic collapse, how you can thrive when oil cost $200 a barrel. he's the author of the oil factor, which published in february 2004. at the moment, oil price was under $33 a barrel and he predicted that soaring oil prices above $100 was around the corner. On 11/6/07, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingat presiden kita jatoh karena minyak naek (minyak masih jauh dibawah $100). Kalo minyak $300, bukan cuman presidennya yg jatoh, langit juga jatuh NIMPA KITA karena akan ada REVOLUSI SOSIAL. Boro boro you bisa kaya, masih bisa idup selamet aja udah untung --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tbumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3.
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Property/Real estate lagi tidur. Regards, DE On Nov 7, 2007 9:45 AM, Heryadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pak DE Real estate disebut sebut,selain mining oil. Tapi kok saham propertynya masih memble aje? Salam, - Original Message - *From:* Dean Earwicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Analisa DE: Cuma mining yang angkat IHSG (wajarkah?) Percaya gak percaya.. Sebentar lagi ada yang reply nawarin ANTM nih... heheh... mining senyangkut nyangkutnya bisa dipegang long term. Regards, DE On Nov 7, 2007 8:41 AM, Bandar A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Between 1970 and 1982, oil prices went from $1.35 a barrel to a high of nearly $35. That is a 26-fold increase. To match that experience this decade, the price of oil would have to reach $260 a barrel. In 1970s, the oil crisis was primarily political. This time around, the issue is ceiling on supply - a more difficult problem to solve. Breaking the ceiling of oil supply for energy source can be done through the following: 1. coal, the dirtiest of all fossil fuel 2. nuclear/uranium, which is a resource in far shorter than oil 3. natural gas and exotic fossil fuel, 4. biofuels 5. alternative energy (wind, solar, sea current, etc) None of the energies available will single handedly be able to satisfy the worlds growing energy needs. The inability of energy supplies to meet soaring demand and the wave of inflation that will result, is a serious threat. Unable to fight inflation without risking economic meltdown, policy makers will put all their efforts into keeping the economy growing, so that wage rise faster than interest rates and debt does not overwhelm the average citizen. They will have no option but to allow inflation to reach heights that would have been considered unacceptable in any previous decade. Inflation will lifts the prices of homes and other assests and will diminish the weight of debt underlying those assets. To make money when inflation soars, avoid these investment pitfalls: 1. Cash 2. Bonds 3. Stocks, especially defensive groups (cosmetic, food, retail), airlines, autos, chemicals 4. small cap stocks And chose these investment jackpots 1. Gold and gold shares. I believe natural resources (mining and agri) also included here 2. Oil and oil shares. And i believe any energy related shares, such as oil services company, energy mining and alternative energy company 3. real estate 4. China and India Thats the summary from Stephen Leeb's 2006 book, the coming economic collapse, how you can thrive when oil cost $200 a barrel. he's the author of the oil factor, which published in february 2004. at the moment, oil price was under $33 a barrel and he predicted that soaring oil prices above $100 was around the corner. On 11/6/07, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingat presiden kita jatoh karena minyak naek (minyak masih jauh dibawah $100). Kalo minyak $300, bukan cuman presidennya yg jatoh, langit juga jatuh NIMPA KITA karena akan ada REVOLUSI SOSIAL. Boro boro you bisa kaya, masih bisa idup selamet aja udah untung --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, tbumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3.
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Heheheyang nyangkut lagi happy... - Original Message - From: Dean Earwicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Analisa DE: Cuma mining yang angkat IHSG (wajarkah?) Percaya gak percaya.. Sebentar lagi ada yang reply nawarin ANTM nih... heheh... mining senyangkut nyangkutnya bisa dipegang long term. Regards, DE On Nov 7, 2007 8:41 AM, Bandar A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Between 1970 and 1982, oil prices went from $1.35 a barrel to a high of nearly $35. That is a 26-fold increase. To match that experience this decade, the price of oil would have to reach $260 a barrel. In 1970s, the oil crisis was primarily political. This time around, the issue is ceiling on supply - a more difficult problem to solve. Breaking the ceiling of oil supply for energy source can be done through the following: 1. coal, the dirtiest of all fossil fuel 2. nuclear/uranium, which is a resource in far shorter than oil 3. natural gas and exotic fossil fuel, 4. biofuels 5. alternative energy (wind, solar, sea current, etc) None of the energies available will single handedly be able to satisfy the worlds growing energy needs. The inability of energy supplies to meet soaring demand and the wave of inflation that will result, is a serious threat. Unable to fight inflation without risking economic meltdown, policy makers will put all their efforts into keeping the economy growing, so that wage rise faster than interest rates and debt does not overwhelm the average citizen. They will have no option but to allow inflation to reach heights that would have been considered unacceptable in any previous decade. Inflation will lifts the prices of homes and other assests and will diminish the weight of debt underlying those assets. To make money when inflation soars, avoid these investment pitfalls: 1. Cash 2. Bonds 3. Stocks, especially defensive groups (cosmetic, food, retail), airlines, autos, chemicals 4. small cap stocks And chose these investment jackpots 1. Gold and gold shares. I believe natural resources (mining and agri) also included here 2. Oil and oil shares. And i believe any energy related shares, such as oil services company, energy mining and alternative energy company 3. real estate 4. China and India Thats the summary from Stephen Leeb's 2006 book, the coming economic collapse, how you can thrive when oil cost $200 a barrel. he's the author of the oil factor, which published in february 2004. at the moment, oil price was under $33 a barrel and he predicted that soaring oil prices above $100 was around the corner. On 11/6/07, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingat presiden kita jatoh karena minyak naek (minyak masih jauh dibawah $100). Kalo minyak $300, bukan cuman presidennya yg jatoh, langit juga jatuh NIMPA KITA karena akan ada REVOLUSI SOSIAL. Boro boro you bisa kaya, masih bisa idup selamet aja udah untung --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, tbumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3.
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rupanya bukunya Leeb ini lebih cocok buat para investor US. soal real estate, penjelasannya gini (jelasnya baca di hal 179 buku tersebut, coba aja lihat di amazon sample, siapa tahu bisa): mortgage jadi bagian terbesar dari equity pemilik rumah dan menjadi foundation of consumer finance. burst di sektor real estate bisa bikin panik dan dikirannya gak akan terjadi (akan tetapi rupanya Sudah terbukti dengan kejadian subprime mortgage - bisa salah juga tuh penulis). triger buble di realestate crash adalah bunga tinggi (terbukti tuh di Subprime mortgage) yang digunakan the fed untuk menjinakan inflasi. tetapi rupanya inflasi yang tinggi lebih disukai karena akan meningkatkan nilai realestate. nilai realestate yang tinggi akan menjadi jaminan yang bagus bagi para pengutang kayak orang US. singkatnya mungkin gini: kalo harga minyak naik, inflasi naik, harga rumah naik, maka pajak akan naik (bagus buat pemerintah) dan rumahnya bisa jadi jaminan kredit yang lebih tinggi. On 11/7/07, Dean Earwicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Property/Real estate lagi tidur. Regards, DE On Nov 7, 2007 9:45 AM, Heryadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pak DE Real estate disebut sebut,selain mining oil. Tapi kok saham propertynya masih memble aje? Salam, - Original Message - *From:* Dean Earwicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Analisa DE: Cuma mining yang angkat IHSG (wajarkah?) Percaya gak percaya.. Sebentar lagi ada yang reply nawarin ANTM nih... heheh... mining senyangkut nyangkutnya bisa dipegang long term. Regards, DE On Nov 7, 2007 8:41 AM, Bandar A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Between 1970 and 1982, oil prices went from $1.35 a barrel to a high of nearly $35. That is a 26-fold increase. To match that experience this decade, the price of oil would have to reach $260 a barrel. In 1970s, the oil crisis was primarily political. This time around, the issue is ceiling on supply - a more difficult problem to solve. Breaking the ceiling of oil supply for energy source can be done through the following: 1. coal, the dirtiest of all fossil fuel 2. nuclear/uranium, which is a resource in far shorter than oil 3. natural gas and exotic fossil fuel, 4. biofuels 5. alternative energy (wind, solar, sea current, etc) None of the energies available will single handedly be able to satisfy the worlds growing energy needs. The inability of energy supplies to meet soaring demand and the wave of inflation that will result, is a serious threat. Unable to fight inflation without risking economic meltdown, policy makers will put all their efforts into keeping the economy growing, so that wage rise faster than interest rates and debt does not overwhelm the average citizen. They will have no option but to allow inflation to reach heights that would have been considered unacceptable in any previous decade. Inflation will lifts the prices of homes and other assests and will diminish the weight of debt underlying those assets. To make money when inflation soars, avoid these investment pitfalls: 1. Cash 2. Bonds 3. Stocks, especially defensive groups (cosmetic, food, retail), airlines, autos, chemicals 4. small cap stocks And chose these investment jackpots 1. Gold and gold shares. I believe natural resources (mining and agri) also included here 2. Oil and oil shares. And i believe any energy related shares, such as oil services company, energy mining and alternative energy company 3. real estate 4. China and India Thats the summary from Stephen Leeb's 2006 book, the coming economic collapse, how you can thrive when oil cost $200 a barrel. he's the author of the oil factor, which published in february 2004. at the moment, oil price was under $33 a barrel and he predicted that soaring oil prices above $100 was around the corner. On 11/6/07, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingat presiden kita jatoh karena minyak naek (minyak masih jauh dibawah $100). Kalo minyak $300, bukan cuman presidennya yg jatoh, langit juga jatuh NIMPA KITA karena akan ada REVOLUSI SOSIAL. Boro boro you bisa kaya, masih bisa idup selamet aja udah untung --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, tbumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Saham BUMI tergantung harga minyak dunia. Kalau minyak tembus $300, maka anda bisa tambah kaya lagi, mungkin BUMI tembus jadi 3.
