[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
saya bukan fund manager kok, saya org kecil doang. tp saya tahu ada bbrp fund manager yg beli bumi di 900,950,990,940,900,850,800,750,710. spt anda, saya temen temen saya beli BUMI juga pas gembar gembor di 960 krn wkt itu kata 'fundamentalist' bisa 1200-1500. nah pas 1000 saya gak jual krn kejadiannya cepet sekali. pas 900 saya jual.temen saya hold terus dan masi senyum senyum. saya hanya bisa meringis krn gak kuat, takut. sekarang pas di 710 anda tahu siapa yg bisa tersenyum lega? saya pernah baca di buku apa gitu, org yg gak mau cut loss/take profit spt org yg cuman mau menarik napas, gak mau ngehembusin balik. alhasil akhirnya akan meledak sendiri. saham bagus patut mahal, dan akan dibuat lebih mahal.saham murah patut murah dan akan dibuat lebih murah.sebab akibat.ferrari enzo gak mungkin harganya honda jazz kan? sorry kalo udah ngelantur, kita cuman berdiskusi sehat sharing pengalaman buat yg baru-2 masuk di hutan yg jahat ini. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga anda... who knows... :)) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :)) Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it below 700... Let see... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat pak. serius bgt neh semua. and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in untr at 2500 at that time ) and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok Redy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
hehehe ... makin seru aja nih up_trends wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ ... wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment.. .my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoever.. ..BUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terseles aikan dg sendirinya.. . Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya, ,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif) . Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1, 200
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi. hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari harga maupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, so saya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buy buy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian cari saham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800 tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkin sedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga anda... who knows... :)) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :)) Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it below 700... Let see... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat pak. serius bgt neh semua. and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha. --- In obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED], redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in untr at 2500 at that time ) and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok Redy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya the real big bozz yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi. hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari harga maupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, so saya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buy buy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian cari saham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800 tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkin sedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga anda... who knows... :)) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:) --- In obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED], redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :)) Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it below 700... Let see... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
perasaaan saya dr td nyantai aja. jgn jgn anda yg dr tadi dah panas dingin ngeliatin . dr td ngomong nyantai aja. mungkin anda dah terlalu punya banyak bumi,jd ada yg nyinggung ttg bumi jd super defensive. i feel sorry for u dude. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya the real big bozz yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi. hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari harga maupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, so saya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buy buy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian cari saham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800 tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkin sedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga anda... who knows... :)) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:) --- In obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED], redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya di dunia
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Someone said that not ONLY the asset that you have to be focused, but you have to look for a GOOD MANAGEMENT too.I think for investor this will be better to know how good is the CG of company, if its ok than done.Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah..up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion.If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyersSo, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment.cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesanatapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message -From: Handika WisnuTo: BandarSent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PMSubject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham.Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak?Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar.Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini?Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention:BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows thatforeign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI mayreturn to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodologyremains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- --Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. __._,_.___ SPONS
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Maksimum 5% dari portofolio ada saham bakrie, dan short term saja, lumayan naik-turun dan liquid, dan pengalaman saya aman...:-D cheers iful --- redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not funny I konw someone still hold BUMI at avarage 30 rupiah 50.000 lot. I lost BUMI once, but with it's price now I considering to take it as long term investment althoung it will break mu oath not to buy Bakries anymore... :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: haha mr frederick u can be very funny sumtimes maybe Rp 35, or maybe Rp 990? or 1000? hihihi, i leave the answer to you. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends up_trends@ wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3
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Wei stop...yg debat japri aja deh jgn lewat milis Cheers, Karno - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? perasaaan saya dr td nyantai aja.jgn jgn anda yg dr tadi dah panas dingin ngeliatin . dr td ngomong nyantai aja. mungkin anda dah terlalu punya banyak bumi,jd ada yg nyinggung ttg bumi jd super defensive. i feel sorry for u dude. :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@... wrote: He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya "the real big bozz" yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends" up_trends@ wrote: trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi. hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari hargamaupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, sosaya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buybuy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian carisaham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkinsedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak...saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends" up_trends@wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatifsentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends" up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda ordonkey?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus
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hi :Diam new, and please Mr FS, don't leave this forum :"(iam really helpful with ur opinion, pleasee. Plase forgive another, don't care them :DCheer allup_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perasaaan saya dr td nyantai aja.jgn jgn anda yg dr tadi dah panas dingin ngeliatin . dr td ngomong nyantai aja. mungkin anda dah terlalu punya banyak bumi,jd ada yg nyinggung ttg bumi jd super defensive. i feel sorry for u dude. :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@... wrote: He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya "the real big bozz" yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends" up_trends@ wrote: trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi.hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari hargamaupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, sosaya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah)ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buybuy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian carisaham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang sayamasih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgasharga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkinsedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengendapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends" up_trends@wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah?ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in caseof BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatifsentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be brightagain... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends" up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin adaalternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda ordonkey?:)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya,siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitujugaanda... who knows... :)) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends"up_trends@wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:)--- In obrolan- [EMAIL
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well ... mendingan battle di market daripada battle di milis ... gitu khan maksudnya ... that's why i don't concern in fundamental info i just 100% concern in price ... bagi saya ... ngga ada saham bagus maupun saham jelek (busuk) ... yang ada hanya saham (yang harganya) naik dan saham (yang harganya)turun - kutipan dari darvas ... to mr.FS jgn dimasukkan ke hati pak, masak gara-2 sedikit serempetan mobil di jalanan, trus kita jadi kapok nyetir mobil seumur-umur just a little incident ... Frederick Schubert wrote: sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment.. .so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all bye Send instant messages to your online friends http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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we still need u mr FSplease don't leave this forum... On 9/27/06, boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well ... mendingan battle di market daripada battle di milis ...gitu khan maksudnya ...that's why i don't concern in fundamental info i just 100% concern in price ...bagi saya ... ngga ada saham bagus maupun saham jelek (busuk) ... yang ada hanya saham (yang harganya) naik dan saham (yang harganya)turun - kutipan dari darvas ...to mr.FSjgn dimasukkan ke hati pak, masak gara-2 sedikit serempetan mobil di jalanan, trus kita jadi kapok nyetir mobil seumur-umurjust a little incident ...Frederick Schubert wrote: sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment.. .so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all byeSend instant messages to your online friends http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
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Kok mkomentar komentar tentang bumi dari rekan milis yang nota bena ahli pasar jadinya sangat subyektif sih? Kalau langsir saya dari surat kabar,. yang saya dapat berita,... bukankah EBITDA bumi masih sangat positif? Bukankah bank sekaliber Credit Suisse masih berkenan jadi loan arranger nya? Kalau kita melihat BUMI sebagai corporate TBK, maka, pembukuannya kan sudah diaudit habis tiap tahun, jadi, bagaimana hubungannya dengan Lapindo? Bukannya LAPINDO itu dari EMP, juga perushaan TBK? Kenapa anrgumentasi argumentasi jagoan market di millist ini tidak melakukan analisa fundamental untuk menentukan nilai real BUMI sesuai dengan data yang sudah di disclose, diaudit dan dipertanggung jawabkan oleh independent consultant? malah maling teriak maling urusan technical rebound? Apakah tidka terlalu emosional tapi tanpa rasional? well ... mendingan battle di market daripada battle di milis ... gitu khan maksudnya ... that's why i don't concern in fundamental info i just 100% concern in price ... bagi saya ... ngga ada saham bagus maupun saham jelek (busuk) ... yang ada hanya saham (yang harganya) naik dan saham (yang harganya)turun - kutipan dari darvas ... to mr.FS jgn dimasukkan ke hati pak, masak gara-2 sedikit serempetan mobil di jalanan, trus kita jadi kapok nyetir mobil seumur-umur just a little incident ... Frederick Schubert wrote: sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment.. .so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all bye Send instant messages to your online friends http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Iya neh... punya 2 ribu lot nyantol di 1400 kelihatan ya??? :)) di pucuk gunung emang dingin seh... panas nggak... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perasaaan saya dr td nyantai aja. jgn jgn anda yg dr tadi dah panas dingin ngeliatin . dr td ngomong nyantai aja. mungkin anda dah terlalu punya banyak bumi,jd ada yg nyinggung ttg bumi jd super defensive. i feel sorry for u dude. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya the real big bozz yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi. hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari harga maupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, so saya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buy buy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian cari saham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800 tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkin sedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED], redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750...
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Di japri aja... orang nya baik kok... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, meifong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi :D iam new, and please Mr FS, don't leave this forum :( iam really helpful with ur opinion, pleasee. Plase forgive another, don't care them :D Cheer all up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perasaaan saya dr td nyantai aja. jgn jgn anda yg dr tadi dah panas dingin ngeliatin . dr td ngomong nyantai aja. mungkin anda dah terlalu punya banyak bumi,jd ada yg nyinggung ttg bumi jd super defensive. i feel sorry for u dude. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya the real big bozz yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi. hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari harga maupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, so saya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buy buy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian cari saham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800 tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkin sedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED], redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
bahahaha, mosok sih bung? anda dr tahun 2020? biasanya org yg nyangkut emang emosional kalo di singgung. dan biasanya org itu lebih baik thd org yg senasib anda bisa valuein bumi 1400 ? saya juga bisa buat valuasi bumi 2000. tinggal mainin angka aja ato 500 yah? once again u have my deep deep symphathy :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iya neh... punya 2 ribu lot nyantol di 1400 kelihatan ya??? :)) di pucuk gunung emang dingin seh... panas nggak... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: perasaaan saya dr td nyantai aja. jgn jgn anda yg dr tadi dah panas dingin ngeliatin . dr td ngomong nyantai aja. mungkin anda dah terlalu punya banyak bumi,jd ada yg nyinggung ttg bumi jd super defensive. i feel sorry for u dude. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya the real big bozz yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi. hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari harga maupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, so saya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buy buy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian cari saham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800 tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkin sedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa
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Weleh-weleh seru banget nih tapi kok melenceng perdebatannya, kan lebih baik berdebat pakai logika dan bukan sekedar kata-kata. Ayo dong jangan dihentikan perdebatannya tapi jangan melenceng kearah saling menghina ataupun mengata-ngatai dan juga jangan berdebat ala kusir yg tanpa reasoning dan logic. .Asalkan tidak menyeret orang ke dalam jurang ya nggak apa-apa toh.Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment...so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all bye edy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fundTong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya..not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy...Menjilat ludah sendiri--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah..up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubertpemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving ua whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubertpemainbesar@ wrote: well...come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate actionand assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings),BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBAof ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM ofIDR6.6 trillion.If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancingor loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cashflow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyersSo, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are thelargest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potentialfor long term investment.cheersariabela@ wrote:Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya,ya - nanti lama2juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPCetc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpasial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" jamal@ wrote:klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valburybila
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duh bingung pada marahan yak... bulan puasa ni euy.. hmmm...BUMI menurut abdi teh sebaiknya nunggu di 660 or below it.. kalo ga dapet ? yo wis daripada BOENTOENG ngambil di harga SEKARANG.. terus kena guyur LUMPUR PANAS .. peace ah ^^... salam hangat, gitto kurniasanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Weleh-weleh seru banget nih tapi kok melenceng perdebatannya, kan lebih baik berdebat pakai logika dan bukan sekedar kata-kata. Ayo dong jangan dihentikan perdebatannya tapi jangan melenceng kearah saling menghina ataupun mengata-ngatai dan juga jangan berdebat ala kusir yg tanpa reasoning dan logic. . Asalkan tidak menyeret orang ke dalam jurang ya nggak apa-apa toh. Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment...so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all bye edy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund Tong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya.. not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... Menjilat ludah sendiri --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Ternyata ekspansi perusahaan Malaysia tidak hanya membeli perusahaan di Indonesia, tapi mereka ada niat memindahkan ibukotanya ke Sidoarjo...Kuala Lumpur (panas) Tigor Naelgitto kurniasanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: duh bingung pada marahan yak... bulan puasa ni euy.. hmmm...BUMI menurut abdi teh sebaiknya nunggu di 660 or below it.. kalo ga dapet ? yo wis daripada BOENTOENG ngambil di harga SEKARANG.. terus kena guyur LUMPUR PANAS .. peace ah ^^... salam hangat, gitto kurniasanto[tukang.sapu@yahoo.co.id] wrote:Weleh-weleh seru banget nih tapi kok melenceng perdebatannya, kan lebih baik berdebat pakai logika dan bukan sekedar kata-kata. Ayo dong jangan dihentikan perdebatannya tapi jangan melenceng kearah saling menghina ataupun mengata-ngatai dan juga jangan berdebat ala kusir yg tanpa reasoning dan logic. .Asalkan tidak menyeret orang ke dalam jurang ya nggak apa-apa toh.Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@yahoo.com menulis: sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion...i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment...so.. my apology, then..this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them...promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore...and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity marketpeace and cheers to you allbyeedy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote:nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fundTong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya..not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy...Menjilat ludah sendiri--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah..up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving ua whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubertpemainbesar@ wrote: well...come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate actionand assets as of September 30 2006 (next Apakah Anda Yahoo!?Kunjungi halaman depan Yahoo! Indonesia yang baru! __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
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maaf Pak, kalo boleh saya kasih saran, setiap saham ada sifat, gak bisa di percaya research berita berita, wong berita div 200 merger , jual kpc bisa dibuat diingkari. gak taunya hasilnya BIG FAT 0. nah sekarang dapat pinjaman. itu beneran ato boongan? yg tau cuman satu. yah itu si menkesengsaraan sendiri. yg saya tau sih kalo 700 jd offer, siap siap bumi merosot lagi. On 9/26/06, Handika Wisnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd .yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
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what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
Kalau anda nasabah CP minta ngomong aja sama analisnya yang bilang fair value bumi itu 1000 lebih. Tanya dia gimana cara ngitungnya apa asumsi yang mendasarinya dan bagaimana bisa mencapai ke angka tersebut. Nilai suatu saham baru bisa dihitung apabila perusahaan sudah menerapkan Good Corporate Governance yang sangat tinggi. Menurut anda GCG nya bumi itu bagaimana ? (saya kira anda dapat menilai sendiri dengan jelas manajemen / owner bumi itu orang yang dapat dipercaya atau bukan). Di klubsaham.com dulu ada pakar yang membahas dengan detail maksud tipuan corporate actionnya bumi.Sayang saya tidak ketemu linknya. Tapi intinya si bandit itu mau mindahin utang usd200jt dgn bunga tinggi ke investor publik yg kasih duit ke owner tanpa bunga. Mungkin saja sih bumi bisa balik lagi tapi saya rasa tidak mungkin dalam waktu dekat. it is a very long long journey , setelah si bandit buyback kembali saham yang dilempar kepasar dengan harga murah. Mengenai option, di dunia investasi ini kaga ada yang high return tapi low risk. Kalau anda ingin return 10% per bulan ,harus siap juga untuk menerima resiko rugi yang besar pula. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Handika Wisnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/ saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- -- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion.If BUMICAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyersSo, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment.cheers[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- -- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- -- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand withwhat you said... peaceup_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- -- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
Ini link nya pak semoga membantu :D http://www.klubsaham.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=52mode=threadorder=0thold=0 On 9/26/06, ji3soe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kalau anda nasabah CP minta ngomong aja sama analisnya yang bilang fair value bumi itu 1000 lebih. Tanya dia gimana cara ngitungnya apa asumsi yang mendasarinya dan bagaimana bisa mencapai ke angka tersebut. Nilai suatu saham baru bisa dihitung apabila perusahaan sudah menerapkan Good Corporate Governance yang sangat tinggi. Menurut anda GCG nya bumi itu bagaimana ? (saya kira anda dapat menilai sendiri dengan jelas manajemen / owner bumi itu orang yang dapat dipercaya atau bukan). Di klubsaham.com dulu ada pakar yang membahas dengan detail maksud tipuan corporate actionnya bumi.Sayang saya tidak ketemu linknya. Tapi intinya si bandit itu mau mindahin utang usd200jt dgn bunga tinggi ke investor publik yg kasih duit ke owner tanpa bunga. Mungkin saja sih bumi bisa balik lagi tapi saya rasa tidak mungkin dalam waktu dekat. it is a very long long journey , setelah si bandit buyback kembali saham yang dilempar kepasar dengan harga murah. Mengenai option, di dunia investasi ini kaga ada yang high return tapi low risk. Kalau anda ingin return 10% per bulan ,harus siap juga untuk menerima resiko rugi yang besar pula. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Handika Wisnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/ saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -- Best Regards,Danny AlexanderThe First Step is The Hardest Step __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- -- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
2 words opportunity cost. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- -- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- -- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah..up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion.If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyersSo, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment.cheersariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesanatapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message -From: Handika WisnuTo: BandarSent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PMSubject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham.Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak?Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar.Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini?Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention:BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows thatforeign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI mayreturn to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodologyremains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200-- --Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in untr at 2500 at that time --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- -- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. - Talk is cheap
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- -- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... heheup_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peaceup_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc...tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message -From: up_trendsTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PMSubject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa siallumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" jamal@wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak(menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankanato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk investoptions di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategikonservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilangklo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investorluar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitungfair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 -Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya sahamini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhirOctober bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it hassecured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. Ifeverything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based onassets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 ---- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.Great rates starting at 1¢/min. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.- Talk is cheap.
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( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in untr at 2500 at that time ) and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok Redy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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hehe...so rude. no wonder...edy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fundTong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya..not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy...Menjilat ludah sendiri--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving ua whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubertpemainbesar@ wrote: well...come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate actionand assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings),BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBAof ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM ofIDR6.6 trillion.If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancingor loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cashflow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyersSo, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are thelargest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potentialfor long term investment.cheersariabela@ wrote:Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya,ya - nanti lama2juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPCetc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpasial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" jamal@ wrote:klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valburybilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknyabank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih diRp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future.If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,10
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That's not funny I konw someone still hold BUMI at avarage 30 rupiah 50.000 lot. I lost BUMI once, but with it's price now I considering to take it as long term investment althoung it will break mu oath not to buy Bakries anymore... :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: haha mr frederick u can be very funny sumtimes maybe Rp 35, or maybe Rp 990? or 1000? hihihi, i leave the answer to you. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends up_trends@ wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih
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sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment...so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all bye edy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fundTong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya..not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy...Menjilat ludah sendiri--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah..up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving ua whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubertpemainbesar@ wrote: well...come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate actionand assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings),BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBAof ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM ofIDR6.6 trillion.If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancingor loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cashflow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyersSo, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are thelargest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potentialfor long term investment.cheersariabela@ wrote:Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya,ya - nanti lama2juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPCetc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpasial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" jamal@ wrote:klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valburybilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknyabank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih diRp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya sah
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Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :)) Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it below 700... Let see... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat pak. serius bgt neh semua. and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in untr at 2500 at that time ) and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok Redy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Sangat menarik... Ngikutin Obrolan (Long Term) Investor vs Trader yg pengen ketemu di BUMI. Cheers --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not funny I konw someone still hold BUMI at avarage 30 rupiah 50.000 lot. I lost BUMI once, but with it's price now I considering to take it as long term investment althoung it will break mu oath not to buy Bakries anymore... :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: haha mr frederick u can be very funny sumtimes maybe Rp 35, or maybe Rp 990? or 1000? hihihi, i leave the answer to you. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends up_trends@ wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
Sorry.. No heart feeling please.. I was rude before. We make friends not enemy in capital market. More friends more idea. Cheers 334 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment...so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all bye edy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund Tong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya.. not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... Menjilat ludah sendiri --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends up_trends@ wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :)) Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it below 700... Let see... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat pak. serius bgt neh semua. and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in untr at 2500 at that time ) and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok Redy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Take it easy Frederick, please stay posting here, I think you give this milis new perpektif, actually I compared your advice with real world, and it' so accurate last time when everyone said the index will be down... you said the contrary, and you are right... and your explanation so rational I'm rational person and always search the reason behind an event... Just stay here ok, I know many of member here will miss your oppinion... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment...so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all bye edy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund Tong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya.. not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... Menjilat ludah sendiri --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends up_trends@ wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga anda... who knows... :)) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :)) Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it below 700... Let see... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat pak. serius bgt neh semua. and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in untr at 2500 at that time ) and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok Redy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga anda... who knows... :)) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :)) Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it below 700... Let see... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat pak. serius bgt neh semua. and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in untr at 2500 at that time ) and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok Redy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga anda... who knows... :)) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :)) Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it below 700... Let see... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat pak. serius bgt neh semua. and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in untr at 2500 at that time ) and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok Redy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari harga maupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, so saya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buy buy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian cari saham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800 tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkin sedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga anda... who knows... :)) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :)) Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it below 700... Let see... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat pak. serius bgt neh semua. and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha. --- In obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED], redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in untr at 2500 at that time ) and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok Redy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
ikutan yahehekalo saya belum punya BUMI dan hendak invest di BUMI, saya memilih entry point di IDR 950-980... sebelum nilai segitu saya lebih memilih TLKM atau ANTM, dengan P/E 5.37x dan net income H1 yang naikserta FENI III yang akan jalan lagi.. rasanya lebih menjanjikan.tapi masing2 punyacara masing2 dalam trading / invest, ngak ada yang salah kok :) kiki Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga anda... who knows... :)) Redy--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :)) Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it below 700... Let see...Redy On Yahoo!7 360 - start your own blog! __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___