RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Fund Managers = Skenario data

2006-08-02 Terurut Topik A3K














Makanya jangan terlalu sering nongkrong di
gallery,

Temanku pernah sehari bisa beli sampe 500
juta, dan besok nya Cuma kalah 2 point,

Tapi dalam artian rupiah ruginya udah 75
jutaan.  



Kalo di gallery itu emosi gak terkontrol ..
dan bisa2 pulang marah2

Mobil malah nyerempet kopaja.



Mending dirumah, dgn penuh perhitungan dan
kehati-hatian



A3k













From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ratmanard
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006
1:46 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Fund
Managers = Skenario data











Sekali-kali ngumpul dg para bandar Pak Oen enak juga
barangkali ya.
Pernah saya duduk didepan seorang bandar dengan enaknya dia 
mengguyur koleksi saya. Nasib kalau jadi pembeli eceran.

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
oentoeng_q oentoeng_q@... 
wrote:

 hard thanx Eyang Ratmand atas koreksinya.
 itu bukti bukan tulisan expert.
 saya pemula yg setiap hari belajar dari bursa
 jika bapak ingin join minum kopi bareng Pak Frederick, moga2 saja 
 beliau yang nraktir. 
 Soalnya Mbah ama teman2 yg lain pasti ingin ikutan dan Pak 
Frederick 
 karena Pemain Besar pasti gelasnya juga besar.
 Hi3x..
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
ratmanard ratman@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  A litle bit corection Pak Oen, maybe you would say overbought 
  instead of ovesrold. Please correct me if I were wrong.
  I'd love to join both of you to have a cup of coffee if you all 
  allow me.
  I like to learn from expert
  Cheers
  
  
  
  
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
Frederick Schubert 
  pemainbesar@ wrote:
  
   you are still sharp pak oen.
   hope some day we can have a cup of coffee and diiscuss funny 
  things about jsx...
   
   oentoeng_q oentoeng_q@ wrote:
   sby = mud by lapindo brantas...no no no i don't like 
it
   Just my excuses Mr. Frederick...but i know main
index still 
  flying 
   high besides TA say oversold.
   now i say this month will reach 1400 but not this week...
   soam I cenayang???
   index will fall because you (big player) take vacation..or by 
   planned agenda?
   hehehe.
   
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
Frederick Schubert 
   pemainbesar@ wrote:
   
dear pak oentoeng...
honestly(i suggest) not many people here like or
love 
   SBY.hehehehe
so, main index movement doesn't have any relations with HIM

at 
   any cost.
the main index rally mostly because of good charting and
the 
   fact that inflation has fallen faster than expected, paving up 
a 
  way 
   for an interest rate cut.. which is for some reasons is key 
for 
  econ 
   recovery...
malah...tanggal 15 or 16 aug and 22 aug...the main index 
will 
   fall

oentoeng_q oentoeng_q@ wrote:

 Kalau minggu depan saya menantikan akhir Prediksi Suhu
di 
 satu 
   sisi 
 ada upaya BOZZ untuk memoles BEJ buat
Pidato 
Kepresidenan. 
   Very 
 interesting.
 
Indeks BEJ 1378,.., +7,..
TA Trader say oversold...oh noreal bullish??
Fundamental Trader say. big price cut??
Just wanna say very very interesting..





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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Fund Managers = Skenario data

2006-08-01 Terurut Topik Karno Edy





Apakah si BOZZ masih go long pada sesi II 
?




  
  
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Aria 
  Bela Nusa 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Cc: saham@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:57 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Fund 
  Managers = Skenario data
  
  
  
  
  As far I know that 
  being slowing-down of interest rate (esp.decreased 
  significantly, i.e.50 bp) is very good, favourable for cap market (stock + bond) – it may be also 
  same impression here to FX market…
  
  Aria
  
  -Original 
  Message-From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  [mailto:obrolan-[EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
  SchubertSent: 01 Agustus 
  2006 9:51To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Fund 
  Managers = Skenario data
  
  
  
  
  
  ada satu contoh yang menasrik...ketika bi nurunin suku 
  bunga dari 12.50% ke 12.25%...rupiah saat itu ada di 8,980...tapi kemudian 
  tanking sampai 9,450...
  
  secara buku...kalau anda pegang dollar dan masuk ke 
  indonesia anda sudah rugi sekitar 3% 
  (intangible)...
  
  sekarang yang menarik...banyak sekuritas asing yang 
  expect suku bunga akan turun 50 basis points...heheheh hebat ya..? behind the 
  line: asing udah banyak masuh di obligasi waktu interest rate 12.5%...so jika 
  suku bunga turun harga obligasi si asing yang dibeli kemarin bakal naik... 
  smart but really killing those who don't understand 
  investment...
  
  capital flight..as i said...is always possible (not a 
  must)..
  
  cheersSyafrien Anwar 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]com 
  wrote:
  


pak...nanya2...dong...apa kalo interest 
turun emangberarti fund juga available...kalo di 
Indonesiakayaknya nggak selalu 
searah deh.terus apa iyacapital flight?--- oentoeng_q 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]com 
wrote: Bicara gejolak IDR seringkali kaitannya dengan HM 
(Hot money) Bagi saya mereka (HM) adalah Trader as 
pedagang... Yang punya prinsip : Akan terus 
"berdagang/ngendon" di negeri ini  selama masih 
menguntungkan.  Kalau toh keluar mereka ada kemungkinan akan 
balik lagi; sekali lagi  selama kita masih bisa memberikan 
keuntungan bagi mereka. Banyak yg bilang doeit tak punya 
saudara apalagi negara... Secara signifikan mereka akan 
concern menjelang peralihan kekuasaan,  karena ini akan 
merubah "suasana."  Bagaimanapun HM akan berusaha menggoyang 
apabila suasana hati  mereka "berubah." Tapi balik 
lagi Pedagang Besar mainnya selalu mencari kesempatan  dalam 
kesempitan. Dalam waktu dekat ini saya rasa "bahan2" untuk 
menggoyang belum  memadai walaupun niat tidak akan pernah 
padam. Gimana menurut pak Frederick? 
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, 
Frederick Schubert  
pemainbesar@... wrote:   Bravo pak 
oen...  great one...  yang harus diingat adalah 
ketika suku bunga kita turun...there  is always a 
possibility that we are going to suffer from "capital  
flight" karena suku bunga investasi untuk asset di 
indonesia dah gak  begitu menarik... 
 so, idr tetep aja akan jeblok...jadi nantinya kayak lingkaran 
 setan..kalau idr jeblok..bi gak akan berani lagi secara 
agresif  nurunin suku bunga...  sejauh ini observasi 
bahwa inflasi membaik juga harus dilihat  dari kacamata yang 
berbeda-neda...karena itu mungkin saja  mencerminkan 
pelemahan daya beli, bukan karena ekonomi membaik  secara 
keseluruhan...  dan saya ngeri..karena pemerintah selalu 
ngitung core  inflation...jadi suku bunga kelihatannya 
tetap menarik...  tapi kalau lihat real inflation yang 
15.6% on year...interest  rate kita masih negative 3.35% 
secara b

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Fund Managers = Skenario data

2006-08-01 Terurut Topik Frederick Schubert



dear pak oentoeng...  honestly(i suggest) not many people here like or love SBY.hehehehe  so, main index movement doesn't have any relations with HIM at any cost.  the main index rally mostly because of good charting and the fact that inflationhas fallenfaster than expected, paving up a wayfor aninterest rate cut.. which is for some reasons is key for econ recovery...  malah...tanggal 15 or 16 aug and 22 aug...the main index will falloentoeng_q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Kalau minggu depan saya menantikan akhir Prediksi Suhu di satu sisi  ada upaya BOZZ untuk "memoles" BEJ buat Pidato Kepresidenan. Very  interesting…. Indeks BEJ 1378,.., +7,..TA Trader say oversold...oh noreal bullish??Fundamental Trader say. big price cut??Just wanna say very very interesting.. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Fund Managers = Skenario data

2006-08-01 Terurut Topik Frederick Schubert



you are still sharp pak oen.  hope some day we can have a cup of coffee and diiscuss funny things about jsx...oentoeng_q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  sby = mud by lapindo brantas...no no no i don't like itJust my excuses Mr. Frederick...but "i know" main index still flying high besides TA say oversold.now i say this month will reach 1400 but not this week...soam I cenayang???index will fall because you (big player) take vacation..or by planned
 agenda?hehehe.--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: dear pak oentoeng... honestly(i suggest) not many people here like or love SBY.hehehehe so, main index movement doesn't have any relations with HIM at any cost. the main index rally mostly because of good charting and the fact that inflation has fallen faster than expected, paving up a way for an interest rate cut.. which is for some reasons is key for econ recovery... malah...tanggal 15 or 16 aug and 22 aug...the main index will fall  oentoeng_q oentoeng_q@... wrote:   Kalau minggu depan saya menantikan akhir Prediksi Suhu di satu sisi   ada upaya BOZZ untuk "memoles" BEJ buat Pidato Kepresidenan. Very  
 interesting….   Indeks BEJ 1378,.., +7,.. TA Trader say oversold...oh noreal bullish?? Fundamental Trader say. big price cut?? Just wanna say very very interesting..  __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around  http://mail.yahoo.com 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Fund Managers = Skenario data

2006-07-31 Terurut Topik Frederick Schubert



Bravo pak oen...  great one...  yang harus diingat adalah ketika suku bunga kita turun...there is always a possibility that we are going to suffer from "capital flight" karena suku bunga investasi untuk asset di indonesia dah gak begitu menarik...  so, idr tetep aja akan jeblok...jadi nantinya kayak lingkaran setan..kalau idr jeblok..bi gak akan berani lagi secara agresif nurunin suku bunga...  sejauh ini observasi bahwa inflasi membaik juga harus dilihat dari kacamata yang berbeda-neda...karena itu mungkin saja mencerminkan pelemahan daya beli, bukan karena ekonomi membaik secara keseluruhan...  dan saya ngeri..karena pemerintah selalu ngitung core inflation...jadi suku bunga kelihatannya tetap menarik...  tapi kalau lihat real inflation yang 15.6% on year...interest rate kita masih negative 3.35% secara buku nggak baik buat foreign unvestment.. so kalau bunga diturunin...agak babak belur...tapi
 bisa juga jadi litmus test...  cheersoentoeng_q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Saya juga senang pak atas apresiasi semuanya.Apalagi kalau Tuhan memberi saya keberoentoengan banyak INFO dari banyak teman, sehingga bisa "mengolah" sedemikian rupa.Malah kalau ada yang ngajak "ngobrol" bisa tambah panjang penjelasannya.Yang jelas saya akan berusaha mengikuti teman2 yang ngajak "ilmiah"...Hehehe...--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Mustafa Kamil" kamil.mustafa@... wrote: Wah saya senang dapat membaca postingan ini Pak Oentung, menambah wawasan saya  --  Mustafa Kamil http://www.linkedin.com/in/mustafakamil __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Fund Managers = Skenario data

2006-07-31 Terurut Topik Frederick Schubert



ada satu contoh yang menasrik...ketika bi nurunin suku bunga dari 12.50% ke 12.25%...rupiah saat itu ada di 8,980...tapi kemudian tanking sampai 9,450...  secara buku...kalau anda pegang dollar dan masuk ke indonesia anda sudah rugi sekitar 3% (intangible)...  sekarang yang menarik...banyak sekuritas asing yang expect suku bunga akan turun 50 basis points...heheheh hebat ya..? behind the line: asing udah banyak masuh di obligasi waktu interest rate 12.5%...so jika suku bunga turun harga obligasi si asing yang dibeli kemarin bakal naik... smart but really killing those who don't understand investment...  capital flight..as i said...is always possible (not a must)..  cheersSyafrien Anwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  pak...nanya2...dong...apa kalo interest turun emangberarti fund juga available...kalo di Indonesiakayaknya nggak selalu searah deh.terus apa iyacapital flight?--- oentoeng_q [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Bicara gejolak IDR seringkali kaitannya dengan HM (Hot money) Bagi saya mereka (HM) adalah Trader as pedagang... Yang punya prinsip : Akan terus "berdagang/ngendon" di negeri ini  selama masih menguntungkan.  Kalau toh keluar mereka ada kemungkinan akan balik lagi; sekali lagi  selama kita masih bisa memberikan keuntungan bagi mereka. Banyak yg
 bilang doeit tak punya saudara apalagi negara... Secara signifikan mereka akan concern menjelang peralihan kekuasaan,  karena ini akan merubah "suasana."  Bagaimanapun HM akan berusaha menggoyang apabila suasana hati  mereka "berubah." Tapi balik lagi Pedagang Besar mainnya selalu mencari kesempatan  dalam kesempitan. Dalam waktu dekat ini saya rasa "bahan2" untuk menggoyang belum  memadai walaupun niat tidak akan pernah padam. Gimana menurut pak Frederick?   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert  pemainbesar@... wrote:   Bravo pak oen...  great one...  yang harus diingat adalah ketika suku bunga kita turun...there  is always a possibility that we are
 going to suffer from "capital  flight" karena suku bunga investasi untuk asset di indonesia dah gak  begitu menarik...  so, idr tetep aja akan jeblok...jadi nantinya kayak lingkaran  setan..kalau idr jeblok..bi gak akan berani lagi secara agresif  nurunin suku bunga...  sejauh ini observasi bahwa inflasi membaik juga harus dilihat  dari kacamata yang berbeda-neda...karena itu mungkin saja  mencerminkan pelemahan daya beli, bukan karena ekonomi membaik  secara keseluruhan...  dan saya ngeri..karena pemerintah selalu ngitung core  inflation...jadi suku bunga kelihatannya tetap menarik...  tapi kalau lihat real inflation yang 15.6% on year...interest  rate kita masih negative 3.35% secara buku nggak baik buat  foreign unvestment.. so kalau bunga
 diturunin...agak babak  belur...tapi bisa juga jadi litmus test...  cheers oentoeng_q oentoeng_q@... wrote:  Saya juga senang pak atas apresiasi semuanya.  Apalagi kalau Tuhan memberi saya keberoentoengan banyak INFO dari   banyak teman, sehingga bisa "mengolah" sedemikian rupa.  Malah kalau ada yang ngajak "ngobrol" bisa tambah panjang   penjelasannya.  Yang jelas saya akan berusaha mengikuti teman2 yang   ngajak "ilmiah"...  Hehehe...--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Mustafa Kamil"   kamil.mustafa@ wrote: Wah saya senang dapat membaca postingan ini Pak Oentung,  menambah  
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Fund Managers = Skenario data

2006-07-31 Terurut Topik Frederick Schubert



ada satu contoh yang menarik...ketika bi nurunin suku bunga dari 12.50% ke 12.25%...rupiah saat itu ada di 8,980...tapi kemudian tanking sampai 9,450...  secara buku...kalau anda pegang dollar dan masuk ke indonesia anda sudah rugi sekitar 3% (intangible)...  sekarang yang menarik...banyak sekuritas asing yang expect suku bunga akan turun 50 basis points...heheheh hebat ya..? behind the line: asing udah banyak masuh di obligasi waktu interest rate 12.5%...so jika suku bunga turun harga obligasi si asing yang dibeli kemarin bakal naik... smart but really killing those who don't understand investment...  capital flight..as i said...is always possible (not a must)..  cheersSyafrien Anwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  pak...nanya2...dong...apa kalo interest turun emangberarti fund juga available...kalo di Indonesiakayaknya nggak selalu searah deh.terus apa iyacapital flight?--- oentoeng_q [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Bicara gejolak IDR seringkali kaitannya dengan HM (Hot money) Bagi saya mereka (HM) adalah Trader as pedagang... Yang punya prinsip : Akan terus "berdagang/ngendon" di negeri ini  selama masih menguntungkan.  Kalau toh keluar mereka ada kemungkinan akan balik lagi; sekali lagi  selama kita masih bisa memberikan keuntungan bagi
 mereka. Banyak yg bilang doeit tak punya saudara apalagi negara... Secara signifikan mereka akan concern menjelang peralihan kekuasaan,  karena ini akan merubah "suasana."  Bagaimanapun HM akan berusaha menggoyang apabila suasana hati  mereka "berubah." Tapi balik lagi Pedagang Besar mainnya selalu mencari kesempatan  dalam kesempitan. Dalam waktu dekat ini saya rasa "bahan2" untuk menggoyang belum  memadai walaupun niat tidak akan pernah padam. Gimana menurut pak Frederick?   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert  pemainbesar@... wrote:   Bravo pak oen...  great one...  yang harus diingat adalah ketika suku bunga kita turun...there  is always a
 possibility that we are going to suffer from "capital  flight" karena suku bunga investasi untuk asset di indonesia dah gak  begitu menarik...  so, idr tetep aja akan jeblok...jadi nantinya kayak lingkaran  setan..kalau idr jeblok..bi gak akan berani lagi secara agresif  nurunin suku bunga...  sejauh ini observasi bahwa inflasi membaik juga harus dilihat  dari kacamata yang berbeda-neda...karena itu mungkin saja  mencerminkan pelemahan daya beli, bukan karena ekonomi membaik  secara keseluruhan...  dan saya ngeri..karena pemerintah selalu ngitung core  inflation...jadi suku bunga kelihatannya tetap menarik...  tapi kalau lihat real inflation yang 15.6% on year...interest  rate kita masih negative 3.35% secara buku nggak baik buat  foreign
 unvestment.. so kalau bunga diturunin...agak babak  belur...tapi bisa juga jadi litmus test...  cheers oentoeng_q oentoeng_q@... wrote:  Saya juga senang pak atas apresiasi semuanya.  Apalagi kalau Tuhan memberi saya keberoentoengan banyak INFO dari   banyak teman, sehingga bisa "mengolah" sedemikian rupa.  Malah kalau ada yang ngajak "ngobrol" bisa tambah panjang   penjelasannya.  Yang jelas saya akan berusaha mengikuti teman2 yang   ngajak "ilmiah"...  Hehehe...--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Mustafa Kamil"   kamil.mustafa@ wrote: Wah saya senang dapat membaca postingan ini Pak Oentung,
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Fund Managers = Skenario data

2006-07-31 Terurut Topik Cubit Aja





Kalo saya lihat sih karena ada sentimen positif 
karena penjualan di IIMS cukup baik. ditambah porsi pasar toyota yang ternyata 
meningkat. So pandangan ke depan cukup cerah.



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  oentoeng_q 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:38 
  AM
  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Fund 
  Managers = Skenario data
  
  
   Jadi yang akan bermain adalah "SKENARIO DATA".  
  Nah kalau Skenario Data berjalan lancar mudah saja pilihannya: 
  PENURUNAN BI rate akan berdampak pada Banking; Property, Otomotif 
  Kenaikan BDMN, ASII hari ini benar2 menunjukkan bahwa BEJ sedang 
  DIDIKTE oleh Pemain Besar!Financial Report H106 JELEK malah memimpin 
  PASARJust by Planned Agenda...Mungkin Embah bisa memberi 
  pencerahan secara bandarmologi?
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Fwd: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Fund Managers = Skenario data

2006-07-30 Terurut Topik Philipus Mulyadi

 


 
  
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