Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread Judd Storrs
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:04 PM, John W. Eaton wrote: > Does the FAQ answer specifically say that you are not allowed to > distribute them together? GPLv2 section 3 does: "However, as a special exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is normally distributed (in ei

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread Judd Storrs
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:27 PM, John W. Eaton wrote: > I don't see a statement saying that it is strictly GPLv2. Yes, he > says GPLv2, but he doesn't say that there is no possibility to use a > later version if you wish. I was going off of the COPYING file and his repeated specific demands to

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread John W. Eaton
On 20-Apr-2009, Judd Storrs wrote: | The CLN website links to the GPLv3, but COPYING inside the latest CLN | package lists the license as GPLv2 only. The normal place to put the "or any later version" clause is in each source file. The COPYING file typically just contains the text of the license

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread John W. Eaton
On 20-Apr-2009, Judd Storrs wrote: | On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:29 PM, John W. Eaton wrote: | | > It seems there is already a FAQ about this issue: | > | > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WindowsRuntimeAndGPL | > | > so I still don't understand what the problem is. | | | The FAQ entry

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread Judd Storrs
The CLN website links to the GPLv3, but COPYING inside the latest CLN package lists the license as GPLv2 only. In thread that was linked to, the CLN author states that the CLN license is GPLv2 (only). http://www.ginac.de/pipermail/cln-list/2009-April/000506.html GPLv2 is incompatible with GPLv3.

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread Michael Goffioul
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:29 PM, John W. Eaton wrote: > It seems there is already a FAQ about this issue: > >  http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WindowsRuntimeAndGPL > > so I still don't understand what the problem is. Already pointed this out. See the answer here: http://www.ginac.de/pip

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread Michael Goffioul
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:23 PM, John W. Eaton wrote: > I can't see how the quoted clause implies this restriction. > > My understanding is that the quoted clause from the GPL is intended to > allow you to link with "system components" which might be distributed > under GPL-incompatible terms and

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread John W. Eaton
On 20-Apr-2009, David Bateman wrote: | This case definitely isn't unique to CLN/GINAC, though my personal | opinion is that the VC++ libraries are part of the compilation process | and if a static build was used there wouldn't be any question so I don't | see why the case is different with the

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread Joe Vornehm Jr.
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Kustaa Nyholm wrote: > I am very much in favor of getting an opinion from licens...@fsf.org, > who's going to do it? I will. Question: Would people rather have octave-dev and CLN-list on the CC list of my e-mail to the FSF, or should I just post their response?

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread Shai Ayal
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:23 PM, John W. Eaton wrote: > On 20-Apr-2009, Michael Goffioul wrote: > > | On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Kustaa Nyholm > | wrote: > | > Out of curiosity, would be interesting to understand exactly why this is > | > allegedly violation of GPLv2? > | > | This paragrap

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread Kustaa Nyholm
>> On 20-Apr-2009, Shai Ayal wrote: >> >> | I think the problem is distributing the VC++ runtime libs, which are >> | microsoft's equivalent of glibc, and which are certainly non-gpl >> >> Can they reasonably be considered a system component that is part of >> the OS? If so, then I don't see a pro

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread David Bateman
John W. Eaton wrote: > On 20-Apr-2009, Shai Ayal wrote: > > | I think the problem is distributing the VC++ runtime libs, which are > | microsoft's equivalent of glibc, and which are certainly non-gpl > > Can they reasonably be considered a system component that is part of > the OS? If so, then I d

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread John W. Eaton
On 20-Apr-2009, Shai Ayal wrote: | I think the problem is distributing the VC++ runtime libs, which are | microsoft's equivalent of glibc, and which are certainly non-gpl Can they reasonably be considered a system component that is part of the OS? If so, then I don't see a problem unless the ter

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread Jaroslav Hajek
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:23 PM, John W. Eaton wrote: > On 20-Apr-2009, Michael Goffioul wrote: > > | On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Kustaa Nyholm > | wrote: > | > Out of curiosity, would be interesting to understand exactly why this is > | > allegedly violation of GPLv2? > | > | This paragrap

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread John W. Eaton
On 20-Apr-2009, Michael Goffioul wrote: | On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Kustaa Nyholm | wrote: | > Out of curiosity, would be interesting to understand exactly why this is | > allegedly violation of GPLv2? | | This paragraph from GPLv2 | | == | The source code for a work means the preferred

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread Alain Baeckeroot
Le 20/04/2009 à 14:17, Michael Goffioul a écrit : > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Kustaa Nyholm > wrote: > > Out of curiosity, would be interesting to understand exactly why this is > > allegedly violation of GPLv2? > > This paragraph from GPLv2 > > == > The source code for a work means t

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread Michael Goffioul
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Alain Baeckeroot wrote: >> == >> The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for >> making modifications to it.  For an executable work, complete source >> code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any >> associated interf

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread Michael Goffioul
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Kustaa Nyholm wrote: > Out of curiosity, would be interesting to understand exactly why this is > allegedly violation of GPLv2? This paragraph from GPLv2 == The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an e

Re: [OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread Kustaa Nyholm
Out of curiosity, would be interesting to understand exactly why this is allegedly violation of GPLv2? br Kusti > > Hi all, > > Just for the information, I've been asked by the CLN developer > (CLN is a deps of GiNaC and the symbolic package) to stop > distributing binary versions of CLN in th

[OctDev] No symbolic package in future (Windows/VC++) releases

2009-04-20 Thread Michael Goffioul
Hi all, Just for the information, I've been asked by the CLN developer (CLN is a deps of GiNaC and the symbolic package) to stop distributing binary versions of CLN in the same installer as VC++ runtime libs, as this is a violation of GPLv2. Future binary Windows/VC++ versions of octave won't inc