Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-10 Thread Andrzej Szeszo
I agree with what Peter and Garrett wrote earlier. OI is lacking a clear vision. It should be different than other illumos distros' as well to avoid duplicating work unnecessarily. I think, OI could be illumos hacker distro, and: - carry on providing GUI support, good enough for illumos hackers

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-10 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-05-10 02:19, Garrett D'Amore wrote: There is little commercial future in the desktop for Linux distributions as well yet almost all of them have a graphical desktop. I would be entirely *unsurprised* if distro vendors like RedHat and Oracle simply *ditched* their desktop support at

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-10 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
Andrzej, Your vision is pretty much the same one I had. The challenge is this: Existing releng process and contribution process prevent anything from happening though. I would like to help to change that. How? On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: On

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-10 Thread Jonathan Adams
On 10 May 2013 12:54, Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: Well, Oracle does provide and promote SunRays ... Actually, if you check the SunRay forums people are getting the impression that Oracle does _not_ promote SunRays, and some of their sales guys are actively trying to dissuade people from

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-10 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-05-10 14:11, Jonathan Adams wrote: On 10 May 2013 12:54, Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru mailto:jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: Well, Oracle does provide and promote SunRays ... Actually, if you check the SunRay forums people are getting the impression that Oracle does _not_ promote

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-10 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-05-10 13:43, Andrzej Szeszo wrote: I agree with what Peter and Garrett wrote earlier. OI is lacking a clear vision. It should be different than other illumos distros' as well to avoid duplicating work unnecessarily. I think, OI could be illumos hacker distro, and: - carry on providing

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-10 Thread Jonathan Adams
On 10 May 2013 14:13, Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: Are there many (any?) OI-private deviations from illumos-gate? I thought it was built with the vanilla kernel already. I don't believe that KVM is in the default Illumos kernel, but is in OI. I don't know whether the planned new

[oi-dev] Orange Indiana?

2013-05-10 Thread James Winter
What if we created a branch from the kernel that would then allow portability across all platforms. Kinda like the Motorola / Android / Ubuntu project they had a few years back. In the project they had 1 android phone that when placed on a dock was able to use the android kernel and run an

Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?

2013-05-10 Thread Jonathan Adams
Garrett proposed a Reference Distro around September last year that is pretty much what you suggested: http://gdamore.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/the-case-for-new-reference-distro-for.html Jon ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org

Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?

2013-05-10 Thread Martin Bochnig
The question remains, if it really needs to be IPS based. Or if it can be SVR4 and CSW style pkgutil.net. If you read Garrett's mails he also asked this question from time to time, just the day before yesterday again. But rather than just getting lost in endless discussions, I rather continue

Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?

2013-05-10 Thread Martin Bochnig
For what it is worth: CSW existed before OpenIndiana. I never understood why Sun refused to adopt something like pkgutil (or its predecessor), but insisted on re-inventing the wheel. Instead Sun created IPS from scratch (with a lot of inspiration from conary and Foresight Linux, which they were

Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?

2013-05-10 Thread Igor Kozhukhov
+1 for support another packages then IPS DEB for example. -- Best regards, Igor Kozhukhov On May 10, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Martin Bochnig wrote: The question remains, if it really needs to be IPS based. Or if it can be SVR4 and CSW style pkgutil.net. If you read Garrett's mails he also asked

Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?

2013-05-10 Thread Martin Bochnig
ouch, forgive the types, I'm on the run ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev

Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?

2013-05-10 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On May 10, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org wrote: The question remains, if it really needs to be IPS based. Or if it can be SVR4 and CSW style pkgutil.net. If you read Garrett's mails he also asked this question from time to time, just the day before yesterday again.

Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?

2013-05-10 Thread G B
I would certainly be interested in a OpenSXCE x86_64. From: Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org To: OpenIndiana Developer mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana? The question remains, if it really needs to be IPS based. Or if

Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?

2013-05-10 Thread G B
I use pkgsrc on SmartOS.  I think it also works on OI, so I have no use really for IPS.  Plus there is OpenCSW. From: Garrett D'Amore garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com To: OpenIndiana Developer mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [oi-dev] Orange

Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?

2013-05-10 Thread Chris Jones c/o Unixmen
Wow, there is some incredibly interesting reads in the mailing list lately. I have been following it with great interest. I have been giving it a lot of thought lately. And especially OpenIndiana. Let's begin with saying Illumos is great. And OpenIndiana has the potential of being great. But at

[oi-dev] May 18th (this year...): Launch date of OpenSXCE x86_64

2013-05-10 Thread Martin Bochnig
Thank you Garrett, all. Ok, I don't like to dictate anything. Just try and C. Q: When will it ship. A: In the past I never held a single date, to make such predictions is usually difficult. This time, though, it is different, because during creation of the SPARC version, I modified all pkgdefs