On 10/ 9/14 01:15 AM, Bayard Bell wrote:
On 8 October 2014 23:36, Nikola M. minik...@gmail.com
mailto:minik...@gmail.com wrote:
It was probably lack of organization that killed many efforts before.
From my experience trying to walk a mile in his shoes, I fully endorse
Alasdair's
A related issue however is the apparent lack of ownership over the wiki.
In terms of ownership, EveryCity is providing free hosting of various bits of
OpenIndiana physical infrastructure, but it's down to the OpenIndiana project
to determine who has ownership. There is a gulf here that nobody
On 10/ 8/14 08:19 PM, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
Not that I'm involved any more and I largely just lurk, but I think the
disconnect between /dev and /hipster needs to end. It's confusing.
I have proposed for years now that:
/hipster = rolling release
/dev = snapshots of /hipster
/release =
On 8 October 2014 23:36, Nikola M. minik...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/ 8/14 08:19 PM, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
Talk is cheap, and people should have to earn the right to have an opinion
on how the project is run.
Back when I was project lead, I made the mistake of soliciting input from
all
On 09/13/14 09:58 AM, Joshua M. Clulow wrote:
On 13 September 2014 00:23, Peter j...@zeus.net.au wrote:
Current policy also denies would be community developers the benefits of an
experimental branch; peer review and wider testing. There may be exceptional
developers who's code is perfect, but
On 09/13/14 10:00 AM, Alexander Pyhalov wrote:
I'm personally one of those who don't care about SPARC, so I wouldn't
say that it's the main OI problem.
Main problem is that things people say being hostile to whole hardware
platforms,
turn people away from OI and illlumos. (like it is shown in
On 10/ 6/14 09:54 AM, Alexander Pyhalov wrote:
Hello.
On 10/06/2014 11:33, Nikola M. wrote:
But not creating Teams is I think biggest problem of all.
Whom do you suppose these teams will consist of? Honestly, now we have
two informal teams - RE - Adrzej Szeszo and Ken Mays and dev team
On 10/06/2014 13:24, Nikola M. wrote:
I propose reviving OI weekly meetings that are always scheduled on
Thursdays, 7PM UTC
at Freenode IRC channel #oi-meeting (irc.freenode.net).
As topics I propose:
-Creating Hipster mailing list for pre-dev discussions and changes on
packages, before
Aurélien Larcher писал 06.10.2014 15:47:
I guess once the JDS consolidation is fully buildable in hipster things
will become more streamlined ?
I think it's the one which has the tightest connections with userland
(sfw) consolidation (besides illumos-gate).
We have a lot of dependencies in
On 07/10/14 00:02, Alexander Pyhalov wrote:
- Improving sites and documentation on the wiki. Currently it is a mess.
Hi Alexander,
I've done a fair amount of documentation work for other projects
including Ekiga, Open Wonderland, and presently assist Mozilla with
maintaining social media
- Original message -
On 12 September 2014 17:28, Peter j...@zeus.net.au wrote:
That's rich, a project with no stable release baseline to measure
binary compatibility against won't accept patches unless ...
Actually, our stated goal of FCS quality all the time means that we
intend
On 13 September 2014 00:23, Peter j...@zeus.net.au wrote:
Building and testing only on the developers computer before integration
isn't sufficient to be considered stable and those who would contribute,
don't have the resources to test widely enough to satisfy the stable
contribution only
Hello.
I'd like to say that upstream illumos-gate is stable and is the least
our problem.
We've seen only 3 breakages in a year:
1) DTrace change which required additional patching for some software
(IIRC mysql, mariadb, percona and perl DTrace providers were affected)
2) One change in ipv6
Blame is as useful as ignorance and accusation.
Perhaps this is the right development model for this project.
I genuinely hope that OI and Illumos succeed.
With regards to sparc, as much as I like the modular Solaris kernel, Dtrace
etc, it makes more sense on this occassion to investigate
On 09/12/14 10:53 AM, Nick Zivkovic wrote:
Developers are user too, you know. :)
Nobody questioned that :) Thing is, they are not the only one using the
things they make or change.
If they are the only one, every developer would have it's own distro...
Also there is difference between coders
This is about as useful a conversation as talking about comparative
constitutional law as a problem to be solved by exporting good
constitutions to somewhere suffering from political problems. Constitutions
and licenses are foundational documents that express a way of proceeding in
pursuit of
Stability issues only appear to exist with one upstream project.
Maintain a stable branch for OI and diff and review upstream changes, that'll
stabilise OI's build. Report any breakages to the upstream maintainers and
don't merge changes that cause breakage.
Where does this community want to
On 12 September 2014 17:28, Peter j...@zeus.net.au wrote:
That's rich, a project with no stable release baseline to measure binary
compatibility against won't accept patches unless ...
Actually, our stated goal of FCS quality all the time means that we
intend to treat _every commit_ in the gate
On 09/ 7/14 06:23 PM, Nick Zivkovic wrote:
The issue of governance has been talked about before, so I'll just
summarize the decisions the Illumos community reached.
Governance causes way more problems than it solves.
And yet, without governance, you end up having no product. And supported
I think any project that originates from an established code base, instead of
growing organically, is going to experience some pain during a transition from
one development model to another.
If Apache's governance model isn't suitable, have any others been considered,
or tried?
Regards,
Hi,
It appears your developer has reached the point where he must quit to
get his point accross.
Illumos doesn't have any stable releases and it sounds like developers
are having issues with that.
Also it sounds like experimental features are being introduced into the
Illumos kernel and
On Sun, 7 Sep 2014, Peter Firmstone wrote:
Hi,
It appears your developer has reached the point where he must quit to get his
point accross.
As best I can tell (based only on mailing list postings), Milan's main
concerns were the marginal support for multimedia in the OpenIndiana
desktop,
The issue of governance has been talked about before, so I'll just
summarize the decisions the Illumos community reached.
Governance causes way more problems than it solves. For example, it adds a
political aspect to the community, creating clear winners and losers. This
leads to rivalry,
On 09/ 7/14 12:24 AM, Peter Firmstone wrote:
1. Document your governance model, I'm a member of an Apache project,
we have clear rules that assist in resolving differences
Unfortunately, OpenSolaris adopted the Apache governance model and it was
a poor fit (Apaches rules for governing
On 08/11/14 08:22 PM, Milan Jurik wrote:
Hi,
based on the current situation with OI - lack of old OI non-hipster
branch - and because of bad situation (according my view) of Illumos -
like stupid ideas to include large chunks of 3rd party code to ON gate
which makes it unmaintainable (why did
Milan was one of the great ones... his contributions will be missed by all.
There actually was talks of making an oi_151a9 ISO... but I think there was a
need to pull in the updated JDS fixes from Milan
~K
On Monday, August 11, 2014 3:16 PM, Andrew M. Hettinger
Hi,
based on the current situation with OI - lack of old OI non-hipster
branch - and because of bad situation (according my view) of Illumos -
like stupid ideas to include large chunks of 3rd party code to ON gate
which makes it unmaintainable (why did Sun and Oracle invest so much to
remove
On 08/31/2012 11:14 AM, Volker A. Brandt wrote:
garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com writes:
So then, I have just a single question: What is the compelling
reason for doing all this effort? Why not just load up Ubuntu on
your desktop (or buy a Mac, or even run *cough* Windows) and run
illumos bits in
Guys, Please,
This is a developer mailing list.
If you want to help OpenIndiana please go to the issue tracker :) at
https://www.illumos.org/projects/openindiana/issues
Thanks,
--
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Milan Jurik wrote:
Hi,
[...]
This crap I heard for years inside Sun. Rumor say half of laptops used
by Sun employees (and paid by Sun) were Macs in last year. And the
most of core developers were not using Solaris on their laptops. With
very same excuse. Now the question - why should new
Hi Yuri,
Yuri Pankov wrote:
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:28:46 +0200, Jean-Pierre André wrote:
Milan Jurik wrote:
Hi,
[...]
This crap I heard for years inside Sun. Rumor say half of laptops used
by Sun employees (and paid by Sun) were Macs in last year. And the
most of core developers were not
2012-08-31 19:43, Bob Friesenhahn пишет:
On Thu, 30 Aug 2012, garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com wrote:
So then, I have just a single question: What is the compelling reason
for doing all this effort? Why not just load up Ubuntu on your
desktop (or buy a Mac, or even run *cough* Windows) and run
Am 2012-08-31 18:02, schrieb Jim Klimov:
That's what I said, though you phrased it better - thanks ;)
Now, there is a problem with those devices that OI does not see
and can't pass through - such as USB3 ports, or use (such as my
troubles with Wifi and SATA, and I'm not certain about sound
Hi Bob,
Bob Friesenhahn píše v pá 31. 08. 2012 v 10:43 -0500:
Current OpenIndiana is satisfactory for most things that I need and
it
only lacks ready-made packages for Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice,
and the available Flash plugin. If detractors do not get in the way,
forward
Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote on 08/31/2012 10:43:14
AM:
On Thu, 30 Aug 2012, garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com wrote:
So then, I have just a single question: What is the compelling
reason for doing all this effort? Why not just load up Ubuntu on
your desktop (or buy a
~ Ken Mays
From: Milan Jurik milan.ju...@xylab.cz
To: OpenIndiana Developer mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead
Hi Bob,
Bob Friesenhahn píše v pá 31. 08. 2012 v 10:43 -0500
Sorry to read about your resignation mate. As a relative newcomer to
the project myself, I am not entirely sure of the amount of work that
you have done for OI. Although, reading what other fellow developers
have said about you, I'm sure it is a lot and your work and efforts put
in seem to be
Mind if I jump in for a bit?
On 08/30/2012 09:20 PM, Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz wrote:
Dear Garett,
I think I strongly disagree with you.
And that you have the ability is the beauty of open-source at work.
garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com wrote:
Dear Alasdair,
The model of OpenSolaris is
On Aug 30, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz
jose.marcio...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Garett,
I think I strongly disagree with you.
I think you misunderstood me. More below. :-)
garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com wrote:
Dear Alasdair,
The model of OpenSolaris is broken. The
Hello Alasdair!
It is with much sadness that I hereby resign as project lead.
This is sad news indeed. Thank you for all your work. It has not
gone unnoticed, and it stands as an example to others. I personally
hope that OI continues in one form or another.
Best regards -- Volker
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Volker A. Brandt v...@bb-c.de wrote:
Hello Alasdair!
It is with much sadness that I hereby resign as project lead.
This is sad news indeed. Thank you for all your work. It has not
gone unnoticed, and it stands as an example to others. I personally
hope
Hi
This is a very sad day in the history of open-source effort, I'd like to
give Alasdair my support in these moment and I really appreciate his words.
The behavior of those big firms that gain a lot from the openindiana
initiative, but do not contribute in the same way, is very annoying and
Sad to hear, but I can certainly appreciate the reasons behind it.
Regards
John G
On 08/29/12 18:53, Volker A. Brandt wrote:
Hello Alasdair!
It is with much sadness that I hereby resign as project lead.
This is sad news indeed. Thank you for all your work. It has not
gone unnoticed,
Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
Dear OI Developers,
It is with much sadness that I hereby resign as project lead.
Alasdair,
Thanks for your effort!
Cheers,
Henk
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Hello Alasdair,
Alasdair Lumsden alasdai...@gmail.com írta 2012-08-29 02:18-kor:
It is with much sadness that I hereby resign as project lead. I may, if
the situation improves under a new project lead, stick around to offer
my opinion or occasional assistance, but my resignation is final; I
2012-08-29 5:18, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
It is with much sadness that I hereby resign as project lead. I may, if
the situation improves under a new project lead, stick around to offer
my opinion or occasional assistance, but my resignation is final; I have
no wish to return to the project in a
Alisdair,
Thank you. I wish you well in wherever you head. You're enthusiasm and
energy will be sorely missed.
Gary
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On 08/29/12 03:18 AM, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
Dear OI Developers,
It is with much sadness that I hereby resign as project lead. I may,
if the situation improves
Thank you for Alasdair EverCity support and for making Openindiana.
I think we all hope you will continue to be included as
[private to you Alasdair - but I could also make some public remarks]
Alasdair Lumsden alasdai...@gmail.com wrote:
But it is also in part due to frustrations with the difficulty of making
any progress on the project. OpenSolaris was maintained by a large
corporate entity. We however, are
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) wrote:
[private to you Alasdair - but I could also make some public remarks]
Sorry for the wrong recipitent list.
Jörg
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j...@cs.tu-berlin.de
On Aug 29, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Garret is the base for the recent segregation which may become the base for
the future death of OpenSolaris.
I was under the impression that OpenSolaris has been dead for quite some time.
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Hello Alasdair:
Thank you for all of your selfless efforts.
Warmest regards-- Ken
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