Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: I've recently redone this on my laptop with no problems, following my own logs on wiki and bugtracker; the only substantial blocker was and is the /sbin/sh being a symlink to ../usr/bin/ksh or somesuch. System fails to boot itself when /usr is separate.

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Jonathan Adams
On 5 September 2012 11:14, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Linking /sbin/sh to ksh definitely was a mistake and I plan to fix this in SchilliX-ON since a longer time. Before I introduce my fix, I will first replace the unmaintained Bourne Shell from Sun sources by the

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jonathan Adams t12nsloo...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 September 2012 11:14, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Linking /sbin/sh to ksh definitely was a mistake and I plan to fix this in SchilliX-ON since a longer time. Before I introduce my fix, I will first replace the

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Henk Langeveld
On 05/09/2012 01:30, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: I've actually realised it would be really useful if there was a single document explaining all this stuff, a kind of In the beginning there was... style walk through of how things came to be. I'll try to write one over the next few weeks and put it

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Nick Zivkovic
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Alasdair Lumsden alasdai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, On 04/09/2012 22:42, mag...@yonderway.com wrote: On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 13:25:39 -0500, Andrew M. Hettinger ahettin...@prominic.net wrote: One of the biggest issues here isn't that packages are particularly

[oi-dev] Distro Constructor in NG Zone?

2012-09-05 Thread Nick Zivkovic
Has anyone tried getting the DC to work in an NGZ? Does anyone know if this feasible? Thanks. ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Nick Zivkovic
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: 2012-09-04 22:25, Andrew M. Hettinger пишет: was kept in /bin and /sbin that did not depend on anything. This was done to allow you to NFS mount everything else. IIRC the decision was made to go ahead and make them dynamicly

Re: [oi-dev] Distro Constructor in NG Zone?

2012-09-05 Thread Piotr Jasiukajtis
Last time I checked that it failed because of it's lofi usage. -- Piotr Jasiukajtis On Sep 5, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Nick Zivkovic zivkovic.n...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone tried getting the DC to work in an NGZ? Does anyone know if this feasible? Thanks.

[oi-dev] is there a vector for donating to OI?

2012-09-05 Thread Deirdre Straughan
I've received email from someone who wants to make a donation (of unspecified magnitude) to OpenIndiana. They contacted me as manager of the parent illumos community, but I think it right to turn the question over to the OI community. Is there any mechanism in place for taking donations? If (as I

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Andrew M. Hettinger
Andrew Hettinger http://Prominic.NET || ahettin...@prominic.net Tel: 866.339.3169 (toll free) -or- +1.217.356.2888 x.110 (int'l) Fax: 866.372.3356 (toll free) -or- +1.217.356.3356(int'l) Alasdair Lumsden alasdai...@gmail.com wrote on 09/04/2012 05:39:58 PM: On 04/09/2012

Re: [oi-dev] is there a vector for donating to OI?

2012-09-05 Thread Jonathan Adams
On 5 September 2012 16:47, Deirdre Straughan deirdre.straug...@joyent.com wrote: snip I know that it's really none of my business, since I have yet to actually give anything except support/bugs to the community ... I think that the money being placed with the Illumos Foundation, with potential

Re: [oi-dev] is there a vector for donating to OI?

2012-09-05 Thread Garrett D'Amore
Originally Alasdair indicated that he wanted OI to be part of the illumos foundation, so this approach of earmarking the donation makes sense. Note that in the future I hope that illumos will reserve a percentage of earmark donations for its general fund but since we have not set up the

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Nick Zivkovic
I think that Andrew want to use a unified build system, instead of the loose confederation of radically different systems that's currently in use. I agree. A unified build system is necessary. The only question is: what should it be? Makefile-based, like ports/pkgsrc/oi-build? specfile-based?

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Andrew Stormont
On 5 Sep 2012, at 18:04, Nick Zivkovic zivkovic.n...@gmail.com wrote: I think that Andrew want to use a unified build system, instead of the loose confederation of radically different systems that's currently in use. I agree. A unified build system is necessary. The only question is: what

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Nick Zivkovic
Someone thought it would be a good idea to have a unified build system across consolidations. I think it's a pretty good idea to standardize on one build system. I'm merely asking which one would be preferred by the community (assuming the community would be willing to standardize). On Wed, Sep

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
Hi Nick, On 05/09/2012 18:49, Nick Zivkovic wrote: Someone thought it would be a good idea to have a unified build system across consolidations. I think it's a pretty good idea to standardize on one build system. I'm merely asking which one would be preferred by the community (assuming the

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Nick Zivkovic
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Alasdair Lumsden alasdai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nick, On 05/09/2012 18:49, Nick Zivkovic wrote: Someone thought it would be a good idea to have a unified build system across consolidations. I think it's a pretty good idea to standardize on one build

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Joerg Schilling wrote: As a nice hint: The new Bourne Shell compiles and runs on Cygwin (thanks to no longer depending on sbrk(2)) and if you use it to interpret autoconf scripts, this is 3x faster than bash. This sounds great. How does its performance compare with

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Andrew Stormont andyjstorm...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 Sep 2012, at 18:04, Nick Zivkovic zivkovic.n...@gmail.com wrote: I think that Andrew want to use a unified build system, instead of the loose confederation of radically different systems that's currently in use. I agree. A unified

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Andrew Gabriel illu...@cucumber.demon.co.uk wrote: Nick Zivkovic wrote: Agreed. Also, I see that /opt and /usr/$consolidation overlap in terms of their purpose. For example we have /usr/X11. According to `man filesystem` /opt is meant to hold add-on/third-party software. /opt

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Joerg Schilling wrote: As a nice hint: The new Bourne Shell compiles and runs on Cygwin (thanks to no longer depending on sbrk(2)) and if you use it to interpret autoconf scripts, this is 3x faster than bash.

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 09/ 5/12 11:49 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: I asume that what you call userland is the successor for sfw. Yes. The buildsystem for sfw is a nightmare Which is why it was completely thrown out and Userland started with a new design from scratch. -- -Alan

[oi-dev] Schily shell as /bin/sh

2012-09-05 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Joerg Schilling wrote: Given the fact that GNU autoconf has been more or less destroyed after release 2.13, so I personally base my work on an extremely enhanced gnu autoconf 2.13. The timing tests I did run, have been run with my enhanced autoconf-2.13 It was temporarily

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 09/ 5/12 10:55 AM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Nick Zivkovic wrote: Basically, I'm asking if it is better to have one convention (everything in /usr/$consolidation) instead of two (some things in /usr/$consolidation and others in /opt/$consolidation)? There's never been any rule about

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Nick Zivkovic
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: On 09/ 5/12 10:55 AM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Nick Zivkovic wrote: Basically, I'm asking if it is better to have one convention (everything in /usr/$consolidation) instead of two (some things in

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 05/09/2012 19:49, Joerg Schilling wrote: The buildsystem for sfw is a nightmare: - It only works if the whole set of tools has already been installed in /usr on the compiling system before with exactly the same version as the one that is going to be compiled.

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: On 09/ 5/12 11:49 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: I asume that what you call userland is the successor for sfw. Yes. The buildsystem for sfw is a nightmare Which is why it was completely thrown out and Userland started

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 05/09/2012 21:12, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Correct. Userland was designed from the ground up for IPS, since that was the only packaging system in use when it was created. Nexenta enhanced their fork of userland to support generating .deb packages, so adding SVR4 probably wouldn't be too

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 05/09/2012 21:22, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: What do you suggest as a better replacement for this? Oh it's easy - you strip most of them out after the file is generated. Very easy to do with a post-install sed rule in the build recipe. The bulk of them are pointless optimisations that aren't

Re: [oi-dev] Schily shell as /bin/sh

2012-09-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Joerg Schilling wrote: Given the fact that GNU autoconf has been more or less destroyed after release 2.13, so I personally base my work on an extremely enhanced gnu autoconf 2.13. The timing tests I did run,

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alasdair Lumsden alasdai...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/09/2012 19:49, Joerg Schilling wrote: The buildsystem for sfw is a nightmare: - It only works if the whole set of tools has already been installed in /usr on the compiling system before with exactly the same version as the

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Andrew Stormont wrote: The only thing you really need for extensions to build is the -I bit. The rest is Sun Studio pedantry. These sorts of scripts are just broken. What it really should do is check the value of CC before adding any compiler specific flags. Patching

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 05/09/2012 21:36, Andrew Stormont wrote: These sorts of scripts are just broken. What it really should do is check the value of CC before adding any compiler specific flags. Patching it to do that would be my preferred way of solving the problem. That works too. The thing is they're

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: Which is why it was completely thrown out and Userland started with a new design from scratch. But as this did not exist before Spring 2010, I asume that the new system is not able to create native Svr4 packages. Correct.

Re: [oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-09-05 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 05/09/2012 21:58, Joerg Schilling wrote: Alasdair Lumsden alasdai...@gmail.com wrote: It seems that you missunderstand the problem. The main issue is that the build system linked against /usr instead of linking against something like: /home/user/proto/usr userland-gate still links against

[oi-dev] VNIC Creation failure

2012-09-05 Thread Ron Parker
Nick, Sorry to break the message threading, I was not joined to the list when you asked the question. Yes it's possible to use an etherstub with your per-zone vnics hanging off of it. I have the details of it documented at work, but basically you 1. Create the etherstub 2. Create the VNICs,