Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-23 Thread Glenn Holmer 
On 07/23/2016 11:01 AM, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> On 07/21/16 07:47 PM, Nikola M wrote:
>> Or someone really thinking that fascist autocracy is a good thing to try
>> on OI people.
> 
>> Intentionally not seeing any problems in it induces the question of
>> using a brain at all.
> 
> So everyone who disagrees with you is a brainless fascist and that's why
> you've unilaterally decided to ignore all of their opnions and replace the
> webpage they'd reached consensus on with yours that has no other support?
> 
> You do realize that sort of anti-social, disruptive, obstructionist
> behavior is exactly why this was proposed and continuing to act that
> way is just convincing more and more people the original proposal is
> necessary to allow people to work on OI without having to have these
> horrible fights all the time that just chase people away?

+1, this needs to end.

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Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-23 Thread Reginald Beardsley via oi-dev 
I have been deleting this thread since shortly after it began.  However, no 
matter what the topic if Alan has something to say I will read it.   I agree 
entirely with Adam's efforts and Alan's comment.  I don't think anything more 
need be said.

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Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-23 Thread Alan Coopersmith 

On 07/21/16 07:47 PM, Nikola M wrote:

Or someone really thinking that fascist autocracy is a good thing to try
on OI people.



Intentionally not seeing any problems in it induces the question of
using a brain at all.


So everyone who disagrees with you is a brainless fascist and that's why
you've unilaterally decided to ignore all of their opnions and replace the
webpage they'd reached consensus on with yours that has no other support?

You do realize that sort of anti-social, disruptive, obstructionist
behavior is exactly why this was proposed and continuing to act that
way is just convincing more and more people the original proposal is
necessary to allow people to work on OI without having to have these
horrible fights all the time that just chase people away?

-alan-



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Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-23 Thread Aurélien Larcher 
Hi,

> Web page
> http://www.openindiana.org/community/code-of-conduct/
> have been updated with the latest on-Wiki version with links for editing and
> contribution to the text.

A page should not be modified without discussing with its authors
first and asking for review when applicable.

Reworking two versions of Code of Conduct on the Wiki is a good idea
and I am positive about such process if both versions are presented
for comparison and discussion.

> Latest document revision, free to edit is on:
> http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=31391953
>
> Feel free to further contribute to the document writing process on Wiki
> or feel free to express wanted changes as a part of discussion.


However I will revert now the website page to the original version
since the modification occurred without any consultation.
History being preserved you will be able to copy/paste from it if needed

Every time I created a user account on OpenIndiana's WordPress, I
explained that the informal rule is: ask for review and do not modify
existing content without discussing with original authors. Let us keep
it that way.
Kind regards

Aurélien

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Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-23 Thread Michael Schuster 
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Peter Tribble 
wrote:

> 4. It does not provide a mechanism to manage violations. Such a mechanism
> should be confidential. (Confidential, not secret.) Why?
>  a. Problems can become acrimonious and turn into a flamewar
>  b. People should be comfortable to report problems without fear of
> retribution
>

I'd add
  c. People make mistakes. :-)

cheers
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Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-23 Thread Peter Tribble 
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:30 AM, Nikola M  wrote:

> On 07/22/16 02:00 PM, Peter Tribble wrote:
>
> Overall, I'm happy with most of this. It's about the right length, as well.
>
> What are you actually happy with?
>

I'm happy with the original document that Adam posted, with the caveat that
I
think the reporting mechanism can and should be tightened.


> I can say I could be happy with the first affirmative part, that is from
> the time of original posting changed, but not the second part with
> restrictions and secrecy.
>
> Have you seen working version at:
> http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=31391953
> because document is edited in open, not in closed and on Wiki instead on
> the site.
>

Indeed I have. Your modified version is flawed in the following ways:

1. The title has been changed. "Code of Conduct" is the normal term,
use it if that's what is intended

2. It conflates operational procedures and etiquette with conduct. (There
may be
a place for a "how we operate" document; this is not it.)

3. It does not make clear what is not tolerated (the list Adam gave covers
the
problems we see much more accurately)

4. It does not provide a mechanism to manage violations. Such a mechanism
should be confidential. (Confidential, not secret.) Why?
 a. Problems can become acrimonious and turn into a flamewar
 b. People should be comfortable to report problems without fear of
retribution

5. It fails to provide adequate attribution

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Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-23 Thread Nikola M 
On 07/18/16 11:35 PM, Adam Števko wrote:
> Hello,
>
> As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance
> structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the
> behalf of OI developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana Code of
> Conduct. The draft text for this new document can be found
> at http://www.openindiana.org/community/code-of-conduct/.

Hello all,

Web page
http://www.openindiana.org/community/code-of-conduct/
have been updated with the latest on-Wiki version with links for editing
and contribution to the text.

Latest document revision, free to edit is on:
http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=31391953

Feel free to further contribute to the document writing process on Wiki
or feel free to express wanted changes as a part of discussion.

Thank you for contributing to Openindiana community documents.

>
> We would also like to point out this draft document is open to
> discussion and acceptance by the community.
> Our desire is for the discussion to be civil and for it to center
> around the verbiage of the Code of Conduct.
> We do not wish for the discussion to go off topic, or question the
> need for such a document.
>
> Please compose your thoughts and comment with as few replies as
> necessary so the community may solidify the final text of this document.
>
> Cheers,
> Adam
>
>
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