Re: [oi-dev] [developer] First illumos-userland hackathon

2012-03-23 Thread Garrett D'Amore
I'm glad to see this, although a little disappointed that its strictly an 
illumos userland bit -- why not also include some opportunity for illumos-gate.

- Garrett

On Mar 23, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Bayard Bell wrote:

 Thanks to Linda Kateley, Nexenta's community manager, we are holding a
 hackathon for illumos-userland in Amsterdam on May 23, alongside the
 European Open Storage Summit:
 
 http://www.meetup.com/illumos-User-Group/events/56953802/
 
 Closer to the date we will be putting up an ideas page. If you're
 interested in contributing to this porting and packaging project, join
 us on the userland list:
 
 https://www.listbox.com/subscribe/?listname=userl...@lists.illumos.org
 
 We're currently spinning up our first dev cycle with our revised
 development and contribution process:
 
 http://strictlygeeking.blogspot.com/2012/03/new-development-and-contribution-model.html
 
 If you haven't been previous involved in development, please have a
 look at our documentation, which will be improving in the next month
 as we pick up the pace:
 
 http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Building+with+illumos-userland
 
 If there are things you'd like to see added or updated in userland,
 please see if it's already in our tracker and submit a new issue if it
 isn't already:
 
 https://www.illumos.org/projects/illumos-userland/issues/
 
 Hope to see you there.
 
 Cheers,
 Bayard
 
 
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Re: [oi-dev] [developer] First illumos-userland hackathon

2012-03-23 Thread Bayard Bell
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Garrett D'Amore garr...@damore.org wrote:
 I'm glad to see this, although a little disappointed that its strictly an 
 illumos userland bit -- why not also include some opportunity for 
 illumos-gate.

I've definitely been encouraging people with a primary interest in
porting and packaging who are interested in distro development to get
more involved with illumos-gate as our closest upstream. I've done a
scan of issues in the OI tracker recently, and there's a decent amount
of stuff that needs upstream resolution, so one of the things I might
do is create upstream issues for that and walk people through fixing
as many of those as possible. The distros are definitely one place
where the rubber hits the road for illumos-gate, and I'd like to see
more of that fed back into illumos-gate for resolution. If people in
the community are willing to use our stuff in anger, we should oblige
them with a measure of support. One of the things that's on my list to
get going is a community backline, which would pull issues from all
the distros (SmartOS, illumian, OI), get them proposed diagnosed,
identify already existing fixes (Joyent's way ahead on this with
SmartOS), and drive resolution in illumos-gate.

If I were putting this in a larger context, I'd say we've addressed
our first challenge as a community, which is showing that we can have
a critical mass of developers successfully working under distributed
ownership, moving our codebase forward. Our next challenge seems to me
to be providing processes for maintaining production quality,
including providing a degree of shared risk management for distro
support, emphasizing the ever-moving target that is working code
without getting caught up in the kings and presidents governance
questions. If we mean to embrace the devops concept, this seems a
strategic way to do it.

Cheers,
Bayard

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Re: [oi-dev] [developer] First illumos-userland hackathon

2012-03-23 Thread Garrett D'Amore
I'm thinking I may be coming to the OSS in AMS.  (I'm trying to get Nexenta to 
fund my airfare though - I can give one more or talks on illumos, etc.)  I may 
come anyway.  If I do, we should chat further about this.

- Garrett

On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Bayard Bell wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Garrett D'Amore garr...@damore.org wrote:
 I'm glad to see this, although a little disappointed that its strictly an 
 illumos userland bit -- why not also include some opportunity for 
 illumos-gate.
 
 I've definitely been encouraging people with a primary interest in
 porting and packaging who are interested in distro development to get
 more involved with illumos-gate as our closest upstream. I've done a
 scan of issues in the OI tracker recently, and there's a decent amount
 of stuff that needs upstream resolution, so one of the things I might
 do is create upstream issues for that and walk people through fixing
 as many of those as possible. The distros are definitely one place
 where the rubber hits the road for illumos-gate, and I'd like to see
 more of that fed back into illumos-gate for resolution. If people in
 the community are willing to use our stuff in anger, we should oblige
 them with a measure of support. One of the things that's on my list to
 get going is a community backline, which would pull issues from all
 the distros (SmartOS, illumian, OI), get them proposed diagnosed,
 identify already existing fixes (Joyent's way ahead on this with
 SmartOS), and drive resolution in illumos-gate.
 
 If I were putting this in a larger context, I'd say we've addressed
 our first challenge as a community, which is showing that we can have
 a critical mass of developers successfully working under distributed
 ownership, moving our codebase forward. Our next challenge seems to me
 to be providing processes for maintaining production quality,
 including providing a degree of shared risk management for distro
 support, emphasizing the ever-moving target that is working code
 without getting caught up in the kings and presidents governance
 questions. If we mean to embrace the devops concept, this seems a
 strategic way to do it.
 
 Cheers,
 Bayard
 
 
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