Re: [oi-dev] [developer] suspend/resume in Illumos
That’s only true if you’re running on a hypervisor that uses suspend / resume for live migration. I’m not sure how widespread running illumos on VMware is – the absence of suspend/resume support means that nobody is benefiting from this particular capability today (at least with illumos). Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: DavidHalko Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 5:18 AM To: illumos-developer Cc: ran...@sibernet.com; oi-dev@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [developer] suspend/resume in Illumos Suspend and Resume is critical for live migration in a data center with external storage to reduce schedules downtime incurred with firmware updates to maintain a secure platform. Thanks, David Halko http://netmgt.blogspot.com/ Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 12, 2019, at 4:01 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: > >> On June 11, 2019 9:29:23 PM UTC, ran...@sibernet.com wrote: >> >> >>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019, Toomas Soome via illumos-developer wrote: >>> >>> I’d say, anything to encourage people to try, use and join to develop >> [illumos] is very welcome. Better laptop support will definitely be >>> bonus. >> >> Betting better graphics support would be higher on the list (yea, the >> other 'dropped' project). >> >> Cheers! >> >> Randy >> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 11 Jun 2019, at 22:58, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>> >>> My gut instinct is that this isn’t that interesting – most everyone >> is running illumos in either VMs, or in datacenter >>> applications where suspend/resume has little if any applicability. >>> >>> While the work itself is probably interesting, and it may enable new >> applications for illumos, the concern I’d have would be >>> detraction from other more pressing work, without any clear use cases >> for it. >>> >>> That said, if someone (you?) wanted to spend cycles on this for >> personal satisfaction, I hardly see any reason to discourage it, >>> and I’m fairly certain if the risks of the new code being introduced >> are small (or well managed by sufficient testing for >>> example), I can’t see any other reason we would reject a suitably >> formed RTI. >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: ran...@sibernet.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 11:10 AM >>> To: oi-dev@openindiana.org; develo...@lists.illumos.org >>> Subject: [developer] suspend/resume in Illumos >>> >>> I have a question for developers here: >>> >>> How important is suspend/resume for OI/Illumos (including S4)? >>> >>> One of the incomplete projects left behind was S4 (lack of need, and >> a >>> >>> hard to identify bug stifled it's integration). It is non-trivial, >> and >>> >>> needs updated s/r core code (added configuration and significant >>> >>> restructuring, as well as likely assistance from developers >> knowlegable in >>> >>> other Illumos internals), but if this is an uninteresting feature, it >> is >>> >>> likey not worth the effort (recent bugs suggest that few if anyone >> use >>> >>> it); however, it wouldn't be too hard to resurect (though would still >> take >>> >>> several months of work). >>> >>>Cheers! >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> illumos / illumos-developer / see discussions + participants + >> delivery options Permalink >> -- >> illumos: illumos-developer >> Permalink: >> https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/developer/Tb3e65f5ac470e30c-Ma4a7672659b46c13f040eb9e >> Delivery options: >> https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/developer/subscription > > For my 2c, I have to use OI in a VM rather than baremetal on my laptop (would > love to some day; it is part of my daily desktop for years now) because of a > mix of these issues. While graphics and wifi drivers might be worked around > by careful choice of hardware for a new rig, effective lack of > sleep/hibernate is a big problem. > > My sessions of desktop OS uptime tend to be weeks and months long, many apps > and tabs open... so rebooting every morning is not quite an option. > > Jim > > -- > Typos courtesy of K-9 Mail on my Android -- illumos: illumos-developer Permalink: https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/developer/Tb3e65f5ac470e30c-M87936b070d0aa9c1490f0794 Delivery options: https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/developer/subscription ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] [developer] suspend/resume in Illumos
On June 11, 2019 9:29:23 PM UTC, ran...@sibernet.com wrote: > > >On Tue, 11 Jun 2019, Toomas Soome via illumos-developer wrote: > >> I’d say, anything to encourage people to try, use and join to develop >[illumos] is very welcome. Better laptop support will definitely be >> bonus. > > Betting better graphics support would be higher on the list (yea, the >other 'dropped' project). > > Cheers! > > Randy > >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 11 Jun 2019, at 22:58, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> >> My gut instinct is that this isn’t that interesting – most everyone >is running illumos in either VMs, or in datacenter >> applications where suspend/resume has little if any applicability. >> >> While the work itself is probably interesting, and it may enable new >applications for illumos, the concern I’d have would be >> detraction from other more pressing work, without any clear use cases >for it. >> >> That said, if someone (you?) wanted to spend cycles on this for >personal satisfaction, I hardly see any reason to discourage it, >> and I’m fairly certain if the risks of the new code being introduced >are small (or well managed by sufficient testing for >> example), I can’t see any other reason we would reject a suitably >formed RTI. >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: ran...@sibernet.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 11:10 AM >> To: oi-dev@openindiana.org; develo...@lists.illumos.org >> Subject: [developer] suspend/resume in Illumos >> >> I have a question for developers here: >> >> How important is suspend/resume for OI/Illumos (including S4)? >> >> One of the incomplete projects left behind was S4 (lack of need, and >a >> >> hard to identify bug stifled it's integration). It is non-trivial, >and >> >> needs updated s/r core code (added configuration and significant >> >> restructuring, as well as likely assistance from developers >knowlegable in >> >> other Illumos internals), but if this is an uninteresting feature, it >is >> >> likey not worth the effort (recent bugs suggest that few if anyone >use >> >> it); however, it wouldn't be too hard to resurect (though would still >take >> >> several months of work). >> >> Cheers! >> >> Randy >> >> illumos / illumos-developer / see discussions + participants + >delivery options Permalink >> >-- >illumos: illumos-developer >Permalink: >https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/developer/Tb3e65f5ac470e30c-Ma4a7672659b46c13f040eb9e >Delivery options: >https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/developer/subscription For my 2c, I have to use OI in a VM rather than baremetal on my laptop (would love to some day; it is part of my daily desktop for years now) because of a mix of these issues. While graphics and wifi drivers might be worked around by careful choice of hardware for a new rig, effective lack of sleep/hibernate is a big problem. My sessions of desktop OS uptime tend to be weeks and months long, many apps and tabs open... so rebooting every morning is not quite an option. Jim -- Typos courtesy of K-9 Mail on my Android ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] [developer] suspend/resume in Illumos
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 at 14:29, wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jun 2019, Toomas Soome via illumos-developer wrote: > > I’d say, anything to encourage people to try, use and join to develop > > [illumos] is very welcome. Better laptop support will definitely be > > bonus. > >Betting better graphics support would be higher on the list (yea, the > other 'dropped' project). I think there are a fair few people who would appreciate some serious elbow grease being applied to the graphics bits! Cheers. -- Joshua M. Clulow Engineer @ Joyent http://blog.sysmgr.org ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] [developer] suspend/resume in Illumos
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019, Toomas Soome via illumos-developer wrote: I’d say, anything to encourage people to try, use and join to develop [illumos] is very welcome. Better laptop support will definitely be bonus. Betting better graphics support would be higher on the list (yea, the other 'dropped' project). Cheers! Randy Sent from my iPhone On 11 Jun 2019, at 22:58, Garrett D'Amore wrote: My gut instinct is that this isn’t that interesting – most everyone is running illumos in either VMs, or in datacenter applications where suspend/resume has little if any applicability. While the work itself is probably interesting, and it may enable new applications for illumos, the concern I’d have would be detraction from other more pressing work, without any clear use cases for it. That said, if someone (you?) wanted to spend cycles on this for personal satisfaction, I hardly see any reason to discourage it, and I’m fairly certain if the risks of the new code being introduced are small (or well managed by sufficient testing for example), I can’t see any other reason we would reject a suitably formed RTI. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ran...@sibernet.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 11:10 AM To: oi-dev@openindiana.org; develo...@lists.illumos.org Subject: [developer] suspend/resume in Illumos I have a question for developers here: How important is suspend/resume for OI/Illumos (including S4)? One of the incomplete projects left behind was S4 (lack of need, and a hard to identify bug stifled it's integration). It is non-trivial, and needs updated s/r core code (added configuration and significant restructuring, as well as likely assistance from developers knowlegable in other Illumos internals), but if this is an uninteresting feature, it is likey not worth the effort (recent bugs suggest that few if anyone use it); however, it wouldn't be too hard to resurect (though would still take several months of work). Cheers! Randy -- illumos: illumos-developer Permalink: https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/developer/Tb3e65f5ac470e30c-M221586bbcf19e81e63ecf58f Delivery options: https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/developer/subscription illumos / illumos-developer / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] [developer] suspend/resume in Illumos
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019, Garrett D'Amore wrote: My gut instinct is that this isn’t that interesting – most everyone is running illumos in either VMs, or in datacenter applications where suspend/resume has little if any applicability. While the work itself is probably interesting, and it may enable new applications for illumos, the concern I’d have would be detraction from other more pressing work, without any clear use cases for it. I should point out that s/r isn't just for laptop bare-metal. It allows for a running instance of an OS to be frozen in an orderly manner (rather than a VM just pausing a guest, the guest suspends first). S4 opens a different world of allowing said image to be more easily migrated, or (since it has roots in CPR) opens quick-boot images (imagine getting an OS fully booted in under 10 seconds). That said, if someone (you?) wanted to spend cycles on this for personal satisfaction, I hardly see any reason to discourage it, and I’m fairly certain if the risks of the new code being introduced are small (or well managed by sufficient testing for example), I can’t see any other reason we would reject a suitably formed RTI. Doubt I'll fully drop it, but without sufficient interest, it's is unlikely I'll give it much priority (certainly, my other 'dropped' project should have a higer priority). Cheers! Randy Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ran...@sibernet.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 11:10 AM To: oi-dev@openindiana.org; develo...@lists.illumos.org Subject: [developer] suspend/resume in Illumos I have a question for developers here: How important is suspend/resume for OI/Illumos (including S4)? One of the incomplete projects left behind was S4 (lack of need, and a hard to identify bug stifled it's integration). It is non-trivial, and needs updated s/r core code (added configuration and significant restructuring, as well as likely assistance from developers knowlegable in other Illumos internals), but if this is an uninteresting feature, it is likey not worth the effort (recent bugs suggest that few if anyone use it); however, it wouldn't be too hard to resurect (though would still take several months of work). Cheers! Randy -- illumos: illumos-developer Permalink: https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/developer/Tb3e65f5ac470e30c-M221586bbcf19e81e63ecf58f Delivery options: https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/developer/subscription illumos / illumos-developer / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] [developer] suspend/resume in Illumos
My gut instinct is that this isn’t that interesting – most everyone is running illumos in either VMs, or in datacenter applications where suspend/resume has little if any applicability. While the work itself is probably interesting, and it may enable new applications for illumos, the concern I’d have would be detraction from other more pressing work, without any clear use cases for it. That said, if someone (you?) wanted to spend cycles on this for personal satisfaction, I hardly see any reason to discourage it, and I’m fairly certain if the risks of the new code being introduced are small (or well managed by sufficient testing for example), I can’t see any other reason we would reject a suitably formed RTI. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ran...@sibernet.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 11:10 AM To: oi-dev@openindiana.org; develo...@lists.illumos.org Subject: [developer] suspend/resume in Illumos I have a question for developers here: How important is suspend/resume for OI/Illumos (including S4)? One of the incomplete projects left behind was S4 (lack of need, and a hard to identify bug stifled it's integration). It is non-trivial, and needs updated s/r core code (added configuration and significant restructuring, as well as likely assistance from developers knowlegable in other Illumos internals), but if this is an uninteresting feature, it is likey not worth the effort (recent bugs suggest that few if anyone use it); however, it wouldn't be too hard to resurect (though would still take several months of work). Cheers! Randy -- illumos: illumos-developer Permalink: https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/developer/Tb3e65f5ac470e30c-M221586bbcf19e81e63ecf58f Delivery options: https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/developer/subscription ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] [developer] suspend/resume in Illumos
I’d say, anything to encourage people to try, use and join to develop [illumos] is very welcome. Better laptop support will definitely be bonus. Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Jun 2019, at 22:58, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > > My gut instinct is that this isn’t that interesting – most everyone is > running illumos in either VMs, or in datacenter applications where > suspend/resume has little if any applicability. > > While the work itself is probably interesting, and it may enable new > applications for illumos, the concern I’d have would be detraction from other > more pressing work, without any clear use cases for it. > > That said, if someone (you?) wanted to spend cycles on this for personal > satisfaction, I hardly see any reason to discourage it, and I’m fairly > certain if the risks of the new code being introduced are small (or well > managed by sufficient testing for example), I can’t see any other reason we > would reject a suitably formed RTI. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: ran...@sibernet.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 11:10 AM > To: oi-dev@openindiana.org; develo...@lists.illumos.org > Subject: [developer] suspend/resume in Illumos > > > > I have a question for developers here: > > How important is suspend/resume for OI/Illumos (including S4)? > > > One of the incomplete projects left behind was S4 (lack of need, and a > hard to identify bug stifled it's integration). It is non-trivial, and > needs updated s/r core code (added configuration and significant > restructuring, as well as likely assistance from developers knowlegable in > other Illumos internals), but if this is an uninteresting feature, it is > likey not worth the effort (recent bugs suggest that few if anyone use > it); however, it wouldn't be too hard to resurect (though would still take > several months of work). > > >Cheers! > > Randy > > -- > illumos: illumos-developer > Permalink: > https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/developer/Tb3e65f5ac470e30c-M221586bbcf19e81e63ecf58f > Delivery options: https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/developer/subscription > > illumos / illumos-developer / see discussions + participants + delivery > options Permalink ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
